Wednesday morning stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 25, 2008 7:46 AM CDT
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Bah. Back to .500, yet again. You know, I'm starting to think...maybe this is a .500 team? That would certainly explain why the team is hovering around the .500 mark.
Evan Grant says Joaquin Benoit is a mess. He has almost as many walks so far this year as he did all last year, as he's been unable to command his fastball, and there continue to be questions about whether he's healthy.
Benoit's latest bad outing overshadowed Eric Hurley's 6 inning, 2 run stint, although he walked 3 batters and only struck out 1. Still, Hurley has come out and been impressive in his first few major league starts, and you have to be encouraged by what he's shown thusfar.
Josh Hamilton's knee is hurting, and he's day-to-day, and presumably will be out today. The Rangers are already short-handed in the bullpen, with Jamey Wright having left the team to join his wife, who is in labor.
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Just to clarify...
I believe Jamey’s wife had the baby yesterday, and he will be out until Thursday. Or so I read somewhere else. Can’t remember where. Congratulations to him. That’s a pretty special occasion if you’re gonna miss some baseball.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 25, 2008 7:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The bullpen has been an utter disappointment
The hitting and to little lesser degree the starting pitching have been respectable.
I thought Benoit was getting it together, given last year – boy, I guess I was wrong….
"I should apologize to girls for saying Sexson threw that helmet like a girl. I’m not even sure girls do that." - TAG 05/08/2008
by Captain Fubar on Jun 25, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The starting pitching...
...has not been good but has had to deal with a lot of injuries. We were supposed to have the bullpen depth to avoid this sort of thing. It just goes to show you how hard it is to predict bullpen strength.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 25, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Benoit hurt?
He seems to really be pushing he shoulder through the throwing zone. Last year his arm was lost looser and his velocity was better. Just a thought.
by booyahcaveman on Jun 25, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
awww how sweet...
A baby Electrician (s) is on the way! Jamey had to of blown a fuse.
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 25, 2008 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everybody
Take all avaliable cash you have, hit up some loan sharks if you have to.
Bet everything on the Astros tonight. You will live in comfort for a few years.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 25, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm that's not a bad idea Salts..
Big Daddy has cleared a space on the mantle for the silver boot already though which is tantamount to a Mark Conner mound visit.
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my goodness... Big Daddy :o
after seeing that avatar. Now don’t go getting any ideas.
Long time no see… stay out of trouble up there in NYC
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by hurlerhurley on Jun 25, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Hurls..
Nice to see you back…No YOU stay out of trouble wink
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 25, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roster Mismanagement
O.K. its alright to let Milton rest for three or four games because his quad is hurt, but now we are in a very very bad predicament. We have three guys on the roster tonight that can play the outfield Byrd, Boggs, Murph that are respectable, and we have two first basemen who are a liability anywhere else on the field not to mention there, so by not putting Bradley on the DL when he hurt his quad we are screwed, and looking at the 40man IF Hamilton IS hurt then we are really in need of some help b/c J.Borbon is the only other freaking outfielder on the 40man. As far as the electrician goes congrats on the baby man but I think JD should have made some sort of corisponding move to get another reliever in here, THAT might have lost us the game last night, wait no, having to go to Benoit DID lose us the game last night. The way this 40 man has been managed this year has been a FREAKING joke, so your telling me you would have DFA’d Tejeda instead of just keeping Mendoza down to get some actual starts I mean what does it help to let this kid pitch once a week when he could really have been working on his stuff down at AAA and getting right. Just my morning soapbox rant let the ripping commence.
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder boy
The one area I definitely have an issue with when it comes to Daniels is roster management. I hope he’s learning from the roster issues of the past couple years (going back to when Buck was still around). I can deal with losing a relative nobody like Tejeda, but I will be awfully distraught if roster mismanagement causes problems for the wave of talent arriving in a couple of years.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
roster management
Other than letting Galarraga get away what roster mishaps has he made? Im not being a smartass just really curious. The way I see it he has cleared room on the 40 man for some young guys we will have to put on in a couple months and other than letting guys like Botts and tejeda go there haven’t been really any huge roster flubs.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.....
The 3 guys we have on the team that have had injury problems in recent years are the same 3 guys who are hurt right now…......I’m not surprised. That’s why they are here and not on a good team.
Hamilton, Bradley, Blalock
Who didn’t see this coming?? Even when we have a good thing going, the baseball gods punish us!!
Sports are such a love/hate relationship!!
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by bspate on Jun 25, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"That’s why they are here and not on a good team."
You really think there are not good teams out there who wouldn’t trade for Josh Hamilton or even Bradley? Blalock is one thing but Hammy and MOB could easily be on a ‘good’ team.
by Melmart1 on Jun 25, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz
With Hamilton and Bradley dinged, why not give Cruz a shot here before the AS break? If nothing else, you let some prospective trade partners get a look at him in the bigs before the trade deadline…although, that might not be a good thing?
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 25, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm Ron Burgundy?
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I saw what you did there. Nice.
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Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just a shame that we didn't move Hamilton
before the inevitable dinging.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired
from last night’s game. That should have been Bradley.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
they can get value for Bradley given his history. Better off keeping him unless a team steps up with a great offer. Dump Shelton, trade Cat, but keep Bradley.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to clarify
I’m not saying sign Bradley for a multi-year deal, just keep him the rest of the season and think about re-signing him then.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan
of keeping any player to the offseason and then thinking of re-signing him then.
Either extend them a contract offer, or trade them. That would be the way to maximize value. You normally get more for a player by trading them than by letting them go for draft picks.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with that...
...2-3 year quasi-team friendly deal or take the best offer at the deadline.
Milton is just the type of hitter this team should value but there are too many other factors at play here, not the least of which is the team is supposed to be still in the rebuilding process.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also with the Angels
playing hot baseball, this thing is pretty much done. Keeping him the rest of the season adds zero value that I see.
It seems to me your plan of holding him to the rest of the season and then thinking of re-signing him is the worst possible plan the more I think about it. Sign him long term now, or trade him.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft picks
You keep forgetting the draft compensation if we keep him and he signs elsewhere. If JD can’t get an offer greater in value then the 2 firsts, you’re better off keeping him.
Derek
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't forget that at all
its just that those 2 picks likely end up being 1 fairly mediocre player, and if you can get two AA or better prospects that are likely to make the majors, its a much, much better deal.
Sometime, go through old draft lists and look at the list of picks 16 through the end of the sandwich rounds, and figure the odds. The odds of those 2 picks being 2 top prospects isn’t particularly good.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF
Yes the draft is a crap shoot and guys flame out. That’s why I said you only deal him if you can get more value then the draft picks. In addition, the Rangers have drafted really well the past few drafts. I would rather have TT, Kiker, Beaven, Main, and Smoak then some other 4A player of which we have too many.
Derek
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by DerekSTheRed on Jun 25, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously,
I wouldn’t trade him for nothing.
But almost any midseason trade is better than the 2 draftpicks. I see very few trades for a Class A free agent where that isn’t the case. People trying to fill a hole for a playoff push generally ante up more.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost any trade is worth more
than 2 picks, but I’m saying that unless you’re getting at least the kind of high-ceiling players you would draft in return on trade, you don’t deal him. You certainly don’t deal just because you’re not contending, it’s not that bloody simple.
My contention is that because of his history, teams are going to offer much less than a player with that kind of bat should bring back, and trading Bradley for a couple of ho hum Joes is stupid. I’d rather roll the dice with the draft picks, and keep a popular player around. It certainly doesn’t hurt the overall philosophy they’re trying to install to have the young players see him up there working the count.
Everything hinges on the value of the trade offers, obviously.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels playing hot baseball?
Their pythagorean is 41-37 (their record is 48-30). Are you saying that you expect their pitching to get better through the rest of the season?
by jwiscarson on Jun 25, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their pitching can't get a whole lot better
Their hitting certainly can.
I was browsing Halos Heaven a day or two ago and Rev showed his complete inability to do any sort of real analysis besides “wins good, losses bad” when he made a post about how the bullpen has nine of the team’s 30 losses. Other posters there pretty much pwned him, posting stat analysis such as how the Angels’ probability to score a run after the seventh inning is less than the bullpen’s probability to allow a run, but the bullpen’s probability to allow a run is pretty good compared to the rest of the league. That all comes into play when the score is tied at 2-2 after seven innings every night.
by Inkara1 on Jun 25, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, certainly.
I went with pitching instead because they have a few young pitchers, but their offense (or the Hunter/Guerrerro/Anderson/GMJ portion) is pretty old. Do you think their young guys will progress that much?
by jwiscarson on Jun 25, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't have to get better.
If the Angels play .500 ball the rest of the year, they end up 90-72. For the Rangers to end up 90-72, they have to go 51-33, in other words, play the equivalent of a 98 win pace.
So yes, the Angels played hot enough baseball to bury us. Barring any 2 week winning streak from the Rangers starting right about nowish, its time to sell.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes bring up Cruz.
I agree bring up Cruz and see if he finally found it. I also say put Benoit on the DL and send him to th eminors for some rehab work. We could really use last years Benoit.
On a side note I appreciate the note from the Newberg report to make my baseball pants go crazy this early in the morning. Ben Sheets will test the free agent market this winter and he currently lives in Dallas. Nolan Ryan work your magic.
by Ranger Capt on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say let him go
be a stud somewhere else, if we do call him up and he starts off 2 for 10 then we will just DFA him and he will succeed elsewhere
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
R.A. Dickey
Pitched a 7 inning shutout against the Mets last night.
Let the constant Ranger pitching bitchslap continue.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 25, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you crying?
Over R.A. Dickey?
Seriously?
by Melmart1 on Jun 25, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be
When he shuts our ass out.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't say that too loudly...
...if Showalter hears you he will track you down and punch you in the “good face”.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Showalter hates me because I don’t “look like a ballplayer.”
by FuturePants on Jun 25, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Showalter in charge when he got sent to the minors for good?
by Inkara1 on Jun 25, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but wasn't Showalter in charge when...
...he got way too many opporunities at the major league level?
Specifically he should never have broken camp on the big league roster that year.
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Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That says more about the sad state of the Mets right now than it does about R.A. Dickey.
Anyone else notice that Felix Hernandez hit a grand slam off Johan Santana, and it pretty much made the season for our friends at LL?
by Inkara1 on Jun 25, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go
For all you crybabies out there who bitch and moan about giving up Volquez tonight is your chance to see what this team would look like without Hamilton and Bradley. Without Hamilton everybody in the lineup suffers and with Bradleys injury history you knew he would miss some time this year even if it is only a few days. Tonight we get to see exactly how wonderful it would look to see a lineup featuring Marlon Byrd at cleanup. Volquez has been great but without Hamilton you could run 5 Cy Young winners out there and this team would still suck.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think....
........ anybody except Cahill has griped about that trade I might be missing something but I dont think anybody has a problem with the Hammy deal. Now if he misses an extended amount of time this year and next then people will have a big problem with it.
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now
Cahill even took that back.
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Volquez
I guess I am just tired of hearing how great the guy is doing and that we always trade away our pitching. Seems people forget who we got back in that deal alot of times. Like Hamilton just appeared out of nowhere and put on a Texas uni. I would love to have Volquez don’t get me wrong but what he can do for us every 5 days does not measure up to what hammy does for the entire team every night
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
...... and I LOVE HAMMY, but this deal will be heavily rediculed if Hammy is consistently hurt.
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consistantly yes
But if he misses a few games here or there it will still be a win in my eyes.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
if Volquez was on the mound we would only need to score 2 runs.
Oh wait….hed only go seven and then the pen would come in and blow the game.
At any rate Volquez would be more valuable to THIS team than Hamilton. Quick, everyone run to their pythagorean and win shares formula to “prove” me wrong.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
any starter going every 5 days with this bullpen would have problems winning without Hamilton’s offense.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct on the pen issue
wrong on the offense. This would still be an above average offense without Hamilton and more than enough for a CY Young candidate to win games
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it wouldn't
Why do you think MB is having not a career year but an out of his mind career year? Its because of Hamilton. Bradley gets the luxury of hitting either with nobody on base because Hamilton has knocked them in so he can be selective. Or he has plenty of guys on base because of the three guys in front of him in the lineup. Hes in one of, if not the, best positions in a lineup in all of baseball right now. Hamilton is that kind of force that he affects the entire lineup from leadoff to #9. And with Bradleys injury history without both of them you will get to see tonight how pathetic our offense is going to be. Oswalt should eat this lineup alive tonight.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're kidding me, right?
you are against the hamilton trade?
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 25, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not kidding....
I’d take Volquez back for Hammy right now, straight up. Problem with that is Cincy wouldnt even think about it.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither team
would undo that trade right now, you fool. This deal has worked out spectacularly for both teams. The Rangers would not be in contention with Volquez but without Hamilton; they’d still be a .500 club.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which drop-off is greater?
the difference between: Josh Hamilton and Marlon Byrd, or
Edison Volquez and Jason Jennings?
I would have rather started the year with Eddie V and Byrd rather than Jennings and Hamilton, and you’d still have Galarraga to boot.
Lets see….if you dont make the trade your rotation would currently be:
1-Volquez
2-Millwood
3-Padilla
4-Galarraga
5-Feldman or Gabbard
with Hurley waiting in the wings.
If Hamilton helps the entire lineup 1-9 than I would certainly say having Volquez at the top of the rotation makes your entire staff stronger as it pushes every one down a slot and the pen gets either Gabbard or Feldman in long relief.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're not going to win this argument, Shoe...
...but, i didn’t want to trade Eddy V. either…
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the blind....
leading the blind.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not an either-or argument, though
If Volquez stays in Texas maybe he doesn’t make the arm angle adjustment and doesn’t pitch as well. Meanwhile, the Rangers still have a deficient outfield, both offensively and defensively. Would it be nice to still have Volquez? Of course, but you have to give to get, and I still say neither team would undo that trade. Everyone in baseball thinks that, from MLB people to local and national media. It’s not controversial to say that both players are having great seasons and the trade has worked out for both sides.
And the Rangers have more pitchers with a chance to contribute than they do outfielders that can play CF well. I doubt any of those arms does as well as Volquez, but you can be damn sure none of the outfielders close to the majors is going to do as well as Hamilton. The long term plan is served at least as well by having an MVP caliber player in CF as it is by having Volquez in the rotation, all things considered.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it mean anything...
...that a young pitcher can go somewhere else, free to toss the ball any way he wants… devoid of any arm-angle requirement set upon him by an organization… and be as effective as he has?
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone keep bringing up the trade right now?
Look, the season isn’t even halfway over yet, and we’ve been making arguments as to who won the trade. Let the season play out, and if Volquez continues at the CY Young pace, and Hamilton continues on the MVP pace before this recent streak, then we might have an argument. But to judge a trade on 70 something games is unnecessary and pointless.
First Hurley, now Max, and eventually, Davis. man for the first time in a while, it sure feels good to be a Ranger’s fan.
by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure...
...it beats inning-by-inning updates on pitchers who aren’t even close to Double-A.
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily.
Watching prospects is kind of like watching kids grow up. You’re proud and hopeful at every step of their growth.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when....
guys like Feliz pitch like they do
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by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point was
Alot of people keep saying how we would be better with Volquez but they don’t take into account taking Hamilton out of the lineup. Tonight we will unfortunately get to see a glimpse of what our lineup would look like without both Bradley and Hamilton for the first time this year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton, Bradley, Blalock
The Fragile Glass Boys, these 3 down and Michael not hitting, it’s not going to be any fun for awhile, nightmare games on the way, 8 to 10 under by the break
by TRFAN on Jun 25, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least
it solves the “Buy or Sell” question. If we get to 10 out, we are strong sellers.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That is one possible silver lining.
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Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm for
a “hold” startegy on Laird/Salt. I think this will play itself out. I love the way Salt goes deep in damn near every at-bat and even with a poor average is content to work the count and take the walk. The kid is 22, thats a freaking ML baby. Lets not do something stupid.
Having said the above Laird is a great defensive catcher(yeah I said great) and I think average(at worst) with the bat. Lets “wait and see” for awhile.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
why you would try to have 2 guys who project to be starters, with a minor league full of prospects at the position, when you have so many other areas of weakness on the team.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to trade TT
I’ve got no problem with that, and I think MaxRam is a DH so I only see 2 real options at catcher and I’d like to be dead certain on Salty before I trade away a 22 yr old catcher with a strong arm and good plate descipline(with some power to boot).
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TT
im on board for shipping him to a team that covets bigtime defensive catchers, im not sure how built to start in the majors he is. he’s been hurt a bunch this season and thats (im hoping) caused him to not find a rhythm this year, and im not sure what we can get for the kid at this point but if i can package him with MB and a LA kid to get a buchholtz kinda pitcher, i do it.
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by Jayslick on Jun 25, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the schedule?
I’m thinking that we may be looking at a 7-11 finish up to the AS Game and with the team 9 games behind the Angels this morning….12-14 games behind the Angels is a looming possibility.
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by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not really a deadly schedule
I mean the Phillies are playing horrible, the Yankees are overrated, and then you have Baltimore, whom even the Rangers could sweep fairly easily. Add that onto still 14 games remaining against the Angels,, whom we do play fairly well against, and you still have a decent chance…
First Hurley, now Max, and eventually, Davis. man for the first time in a while, it sure feels good to be a Ranger’s fan.
by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Rangers could sweep Baltimore?
please…
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright
I’ll give you that, but they should be able to take 2 out of 3. But my point was, say worst case scenario, you take 2 from Phili, Baltimore, and the Angels. And you take 1 from Houston, NY, and Chicago, you would be left with a record of 9-9, a fairly decent stretch.
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by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
winning three of four from Cleveland at home...
...sweeping one of the Oakland series, and taking one of the Tampa series… that would have been decent.
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit...
...winning two of three from the Mets… in a Johan-less series at that…
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For someone liek the Angels, yes...
but for the Rangers at this stage, decent should equal average and be around .500 give or take a game because that’s what they are. Plus, you are playing teams, outside of Houston, that have better records than you do. people cannot expect this team to come out and play .600 baseball yet. They’re still a year or two away from that….
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a team that has played .500 baseball the last month...
...to continue to play .500 baseball?... how is that “decent”?
that’s the sign of a team not making adjustments.
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK but...
who have the Rangers played in the last month that you can seriously say is going to contend. Looking at the list, all I see is Tampa Bay. During this stretch, you have 4 teams : NY, CWS, Phili., and the Angels, who should contend. If you had replaced the Kansas City’s and the Washington’s with teams like Boston, I guarantee they would be below .500. In any case, when you have a stretch when you’re playing 4 contenders and 2 other teams that are solid, a .500 record should be a success.
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees are our Papi
and, if we couldn’t sweep the Royals or Nats, we sure as hell aren’t sweeping B-more.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 25, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
If the Yanks rotation holds up, it would be Mussina, Joba, and Giese. We would have Feldman, Milwood, and Gabbard. I think we may have a chance to get 2 from them….
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't swept anyone all year.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jun 25, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truth.....
NO more discussing the Rangers in any sort of race….If the Angels collapse and go .500 the rest of the way the mighty Rangers would ONLY have to go 51-33…...to tie.
ah, but what about the wild card? Well if Tampa to go .500 the Rangers would ONLY have to go 49-35…....to tie.
We arent going to put up those records and those teams arent going to go .500 so there is NO use in any further “contention” talk.
Curiously enough LSB reports that the BMAC-Danks trade wasnt a bad one because NO one could have predicted Bmac’s injury but LSB supports the Hammy-Volquez deal because Hammy plays “everyday” and Volquez only plays “every 5 days”. When Hammy breaks down there can be NO argument that mgt couldnt have predicted that he would get hurt. We will see…..
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not me
I have always been against the BMac trade you shouldn’t have given up a lefty for a righty or two for one.
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 some reason
on this site you arent “allowed” to have been againts the trade at the time it was made because “every scout said that Bmac was further along and was the better pitcher”.
Bah, the eyeball test gives Danks the advantage everytime. Watch the two pitch and tell me who you want. “But…but…..but the scouts say, ”..................................................................”“
I guess LSB hasnt conferred with the ChiSox scouts.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BMac
who is this BMac? I don’t recall seeing him in the line up this year. I remember a guy last year but he was not very good if I remember correctly. Could this be the same guy? Will he ever pitch again? What about the new first baseman…Hank something? Will he ever play again.
¡yo soy Horsedooty!
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Jun 25, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yo doots
something happened to my account and I had to redo it. Sr sounded like my dad. Even thou I could be someone’s grandpa myownself now. So, I demoted myself. Thanks for the interest. BTW, who is this BMac?
on several blogs I am referred to as “dooty” as you did and another one as “doots” The most lazy guy I know is a lawyer and he refers to me as “HD” because he is too lazy to type “doots” or “dooty” .
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Jun 25, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fired up the ganj... and re-read this...
...just… sheer brilliance at work here…
BMac… that’s a sandwich you can get at McDonald’s…
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh thanks for reminding me..
I knew to go to the pot store when I get back to L A. Running a lit’l low as I recall.
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 25, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
it’s not that you’re not “allowed” to be against the trade, but you should definitely not say that anyone could see Danks was a better pitcher at that time. Except for you, of course, because you can see the future apparently.
Many people were against the trade, many more had major mixed feelings about it (like me) and some supported it. But no one should be against it because it was “obvious” who would be better. That’s just hindsight and worthless bitching. To ignore the national consensus opinion of McCarthy before the trade is just obstinacy.
Just go ahead and say the trade has turned out terribly because McCarthy has been injured and hasn’t pitched that well. There is no reason to denigrate his talent or pretend that he wasn’t highly touted before the trade.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your comments...
... but what chaps my ass is that we held onto Danks for so long and passed up other options before deciding on a guy with a 4 something ERA who was still an unknown and giving up Danks. It just seemed arbitrary to me at the time.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 25, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remind me.....
what in the world was Chicago thinking when they did this deal? It seems like such a slam dunk for the Rangers. I guess Kenny Williams got fleeced…...oh wait.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is just no nuance
in your brain, is there? Very few trades are black and white, and certainly no scouting assessment is black and white. Who said this deal would be a slam dunk for the Rangers? Even the most ardent supporter of this deal would quickly acknowledge it was risky. Even if McCarthy shows up and pitches lights out, wins 18 games, and becomes an ace the Rangers are still not a contender. Why must people have only up or down views on trades? Why must you paint any trade that’s not an OVERWHELMING success as a complete and utter failure? The truth is there is a huge gray area in the middle that probably 90% of trades fall into. Context, mr. poopy pants, context.
I’m attempting to give a balanced, objective picture of the trade, you’re only interested in flinging poop at the Rangers front office. Fine, no need for further discussion.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
given the
glowing things that youve had to say about McCarthy and how every scout knew McCarthy was the more ready pitcher with a higher upside it makes no sence for Chi to do that trade….
Obviously their scouts disagreed with the national scouts and media and made the right decision, and not just because BMac is hurt, because I doubt BMac would have Dank’s current #’s even if he were healthy.
My point, however unnuanced it may be: not ALL the scouts agreed, or Chi would have never made the deal. Clearly their scouts thought Danks would be better, so much so that they were twilling to trade a major league ready arm for a guy who was thought to be a year away. Irregardless of health, there were people who thought Dank’s would be a better pitcher than BMac AT THE TIME of the trade, no hindsight needed. Unfortunately those scouts and management reside in Chicago.
........now, let me get back to my poop flinging.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this
I don’t remember the exact people but didn’t Chicago have a glut of pitchers and since Danks was a year away the theory was they could put him in AAA and let him keep developing. I know they have come out and said he needed another year and they rushed him last year and if I remember correctly they were hoping for alot more from Gavin Floyd last year. I know McCarthy was relegated to the bullpen in 06 due to them having too many starters and I believe after they acquired Floyd they felt they were set at starters so they traded McCarthy for a younger pitcher who they could hold off a year on. We all know how it turned out but I believe that was the plan at the time.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably out of contention, but...
I agree that the Rangers are probably out of contention this year, but going 49-35 the rest of the way is not that unreasonable. Even with all of our recent struggles, this team has gone 29-21 since May 1. That’s a .580 team. Over 84 games, that would be about 49 wins, or a 49-35 record.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jun 25, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but what this team seems to do
is collapse when it has any pressure placed on it and then they relax and play good baseball.
I could easily see a 10-22 streak up to the trade deadline that makes the team 48-60 followed by a managerial job saving 31-23 streak when there’s no pressure.
1974 was a very good year for JNicholson. Loved him in “The Last Detail”....”I AM THE MOTHERFUCKING SHORE PATROL!!!”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there
will be NO managerial job saving anything…...RWash is toast, in my oh so humle opinion.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Firing Washington would mean
JD would admit that it was a bad hiring and this kid doesn’t like to admit when he makes a mistake.
I do remember that Washington was given a rather tepid one year extension last August (?) and I wonder if we’‘ll see another extension?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
riiiiiiiiight
I guess you haven’t heard him admit the Young trade was a mistake and releasing Broussard a month into the season doesn’t mean anything. Gotcha
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard JD defend the
Soriano trade & defend the Danks trade (not lately though), defend the Sosa signing, make excuses for the Galaragga Fiasco and also claim “I’m a Ron Washington Man.”
The kid doesn’t like admitting he is wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And your point
what of the stuff you mentioned was a mistake? Wilkerson was thought of pretty highly at the time of the trade and if only Soriano hadn’t publicly stated he wouldn’t move to the outfield we could have gotten more for him.
The Danks deal was a good one and theres no reason to admit a mistake was made because one wasn’t
Sosa did exaclty what he was brought here to do. Sell seats, hit his 600th HR, and play for cheap. So we missed out on 4 months of Jason Botts. Whoop di freaking do.
I agree with you about the galarraga thing but only because the guy still had options left and didn’t have to be DFAd not because of what he is doing in Detroit.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The notion that Sosa
“sold seats” is ridiculous.
Ranger attendance in 2007 was stagnant.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
attendance being stagnant
tells me that he did sell seats. With the start that the team had last year, the fact that attendance did not decline tells me that there was something or someone selling seats. Sosa’s chase for 600 is one of the major reasons. this is coming from someone who does not like sosa either.
by Garcia on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sosa signing was a good one.
Its just a damn shame we don’t have a guy like him as a platoon bat for lefty pitchers this year.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a young kid
like Murphy could sit on the bench and Boggs could spend his summer in OKV?
The only thing dumber than giving a 38 year old 450 plate appearances on a crappy team at the expense of others is to do the same thing with a 39 year old.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OKV = OKC.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well last year
it just kept Botts in the minors. Anyone who thinks that hurt the Rangers longterm needs their head examined.
This year, he would obviously take Cats ABs, because we can use a guy who can hit lefties more than we can use a platoon bat that hits righties.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cat has
6 abs v. leftys this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
All he can do is hit Righties. Which we don’t need on this team.
Look at this teams splits versus lefties and righties, and its pretty clear where we need help. We need a guy who can hit lefties for the bench. We can give up a platoon DH against Righties for it.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it would cost
a young prospect with a future abs. So freaking what if this team wins 75 games instead of 71 games!!!
If you are going to be mediocre, be mediocre with young players.
There is nothing worse in sports than having a terrible team that sports old players.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 25, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, sir, are an idiot.
It would cost you Frank Catalanotto. What part of that don’t you understand? Your youngsters would get more ABs against RH pitchers, but less ABs against LHPs. They would net more ABs.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
This from the guy who still can’t admit he was wrong about the Kenny Lofton signing last year.
And just out of curiosity, who does like admitting that they made a mistake? Can’t say as I’ve ever met anyone who fit that criteria…
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Jun 25, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over our last
28 games the team is 14-14 and of course is also .500 overall. We are who we are…..
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give Ham and Bradley some Time Off
On the DL, the rangers are going nowhere anyway, so why not try to get them healed up, sure the team will tank (even more so than usual) but it least they might come back stronger, we have to see how fragile they are, especially Ham
by TRFAN on Jun 25, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Benoit's 2007...
...starting to look like a fluke…
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Benoit
is your average, run of the mill reliever. Some good years, some not so good. Thats what makes up the majority of non setupman non closer bullpen roles in MLB>
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he was never really that good
Outside of last year, he had only one year, 2005, where his ERA was below 4. You take out last year, and he has a career ERA of 5.18
First Hurley, now Max, and eventually, Davis. man for the first time in a while, it sure feels good to be a Ranger’s fan.
by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
relief ERA vs starter ERA
I don’t have the stats in front of me but I am pretty sure that once he was switched to bullpen full time two years ago he has been damn good until this year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
his ERA I believe would drop a bit (again without last year included), but i would still be in the low 4’s. I guess that would make him a as Cahill put it, ” an average, run of the mill reliever.”
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by hinduplaya on Jun 25, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mid-90's gas
is plus unless you can’t control it. benoit had control, then he lost it. something’s wrong with him.
by SteveP on Jun 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing that has always been wrong with him
Million Dollar Arm, 10 cent head.
Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes - Shaq
by DJCahill on Jun 25, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had flipped him...
...at the deadline last year. Contenders traditionally overpay for bullpen help.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flipped him for what?... another position prospect?
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why ... Clay Buchholz, of course.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 25, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"At Lone Star Ball... it's that simple."
“Lone Star Ball… Playing for the future since 2005.”
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is...
...the Rangers HAVEN’T been playing for the future until about a year ago. Instead they were always playing for the present. And by present I mean attendance.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't another position prospect...
...be preferable to what he’s given us this year?
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I'm surprised you feel that way...
...but certainly respect your right to those feelings. I’m not going to try to change your mind.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not interested in catchers, outfielders... power-hitting first basemen...
...if you wanna talk arms, let’s talk…
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 37
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles take cover!
Theres a tornado warning for Athens, Ohio!
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 25, 2008 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton having potential injury issues = Known problem
This was a point a lot of us made when the Hamilton-Volquez trade went down.
I know I was significantly ambivalent about it. But it was one of the HIGHLIGHTED potential problems with Hamilton.
R
by Requiem on Jun 25, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
knee inflammation
sounds alot worse than it really is. He apparantly has been playing through it for a week or so and is probably nothing serious. Just a couple days off. If anybody thought he would play 162 games this year then you had unrealistic expectations
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knee Inflammation
The inflammation by itself isn’t really cause for concern but knees are a tricky thing and inflammation can lead to much larger issues later.
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by nikpin on Jun 25, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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