Time to bring up Davis
by Ranger Capt on Jun 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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I believe it is time to bring up Davis with the recent news on Blalock. Evan has a new story on him on the DMN Blog. This does not sound very encouraging, but then again what did we expect from Blalock. He follows up one injury with another. We are falling out of the race everytime we fail to get 2 games over .500. I would rather bring him up and let him see what he can do while their is still a little hope to salvage the season. Let him taste a little pressure instead of succeeding when we are 20 games out. We have had too many players in this organization (Tex comes to mind) that perform with no pressure. While when we need it that falter. I think with Blalock being out for another month I would say, This is the perfect time to have a lineup with Davis playing 1st. Max 1st,dh, and C and Salty behind the plate everyday. I would also release Shelton now, not when Blalock returns and call up Cruz. We could use the extra outfielder with Bradley and Hamilton dinged up. Remember we are building for 2009-10 not 2008. Let the kids play they might suprise you JD.
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Bringing up Davis...
and cutting Shelton would make this even more of a left-handed lineup.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Shelton has a .518 ops vs lefties
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 25, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, common misperception by many (Wash I'm looking at you)...
...is that Shelton as a right-handed batter is better against lefties.
That hasn’t been the case this year or historically.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on Jun 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking at him right now...
... please kick him in the balls for not pinch hitting for rat boy last night.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think you understand
he pinch hit ol’ Red
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
sorry… .you’re right. That deserves an extra kick in the nuts.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 25, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having...
3 lefties for two positions still doesn’t help the situation any.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does if Davis actually hits for power vs righthanders
and we get some production from 1b for once.
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 25, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we actually...
want to trade Cat, I don’t see how leaving Davis in the minors is detrimental to either players’ situation.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about Cat's situation.
Cat is a known quantity. If a team wants to trade for him its not going to ride on him getting full playing time the next month. He is an aging veteran not long for this team, there is no reason to worry about how content he is.
If someone thinks chris davis is ready to get some mlb time and make some adjustments as some posters obviously do, cat shouldnt stand in the way.
Is he? I dont know. I havnt said Id bring him up right now despite my signature which isnt actually serious. With his production but the obvious k/bb flaw and his age, its debatable.
Although, if you plan to bring him up in august, then I dont think 5 weeks earlier is going to hurt anything.
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 25, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have him...
getting regular AB’s for the next 5 weeks than splitting them with Cat.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good thing noone is suggesting he split at bats with cat
Cat can sit on the bench. occasional DH start, occasional 1b until traded. Theres no reason Davis couldnt play nearly every day right now if he were to be brought up.
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 25, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except...
Cat sitting on the bench gives us no value for the sunk cost of his contract, and does nothing to help us trade him.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cat is so insignificant.
Playing him because we are paying him? Come on. Did you want to keep playing Nevin because he was making whatever he was making? Cat as a part time 1b hitting for a .750 ops at first base isnt giving us any value on the contract either. That cost is indeed already sunk. No reason to make roster decisions around it.
Whats it going to do to his trade value? Everyone knows cat has no power, and very little defensive ability. If another team wants to get a veteran bat to pinch hit and take some time at 1b/LF/DH down the stretch, I doubt they will change their mind because the player who leads minor leaguers under 27 (aka prospects) in homeruns and rbis for the last year and a half is playing over him on a non contending team.
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 25, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
that Cat is insignificant.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly he is the key to the resurrection of the rangers.
Is it his all star 1b production or his super prospect trade value?
Seriously though… either explain your argument or don’t make it.
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 25, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
that sitting Cat and bringing up Davis now is going to help this team any. There will be room for Davis later, but I don’t think the time is now.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sunk cost
I think you are either misunderstanding or misapplying the term. Sunk costs refer to a costs that are in the past and unrecoverable. They should have no rational bearing on a decision at hand. Recognizing Cat and his contract as a sunk cost would mean either trading him or cutting him, given the presence of a better option (ie, bringing up Davis). I’m not saying cutting/trading Cat and bringing up Davis would be the optimal choice, but his status probably should not primarily dictate the Rangers’ decision at this point. If the Rangers are better off letting him go and eating his contract (recognizing it as a sunk cost) then that’s what they should do.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Jun 25, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunk cost...
not the phrase I should have used.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what is the phrase you would've used?
This seems to be a common thing between the Morris brothers. Arguing without really arguing your point. Dismissing other people’s opinions without really throwing yours out there.
But whatever. Playing Davis right now over Cat doesn’t hurt the team, and it doesn’t necessarily help it long term. It’s really not that big of an issue.
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 25, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I think the Morris brothers are awesome, haha
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
that it would be best to get what production from Cat while we can. I don’t think that sitting Cat for Davis is a good way to handle moving Cat along to other pastures this summer. I think Davis is still young and more time on the farm would help him.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 25, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
immediately promote every single prospect at least one level, it’s June already!!!!! The entire Rangers lineup should be 24 or under. Trade Cat for anything, ANYTHING, as long as he’s gone. Crap, Hamilton is too old, and injured, trade him, too. Bradley is a fuckin’ great grandfather, trade him to Boston for Buchholz, Bowden and Ellsbury.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that was much better
thanks
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 25, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
I think I’m in agreement with you. I’m not sure bringing up Davis right now would be the best course of action. I don’t see the harm in letting things play out a bit and bringing him up after the trading deadline.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Jun 25, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
take Cat out of the equation...
...who’s more likely to give you production at first?
Davis or Shelton?
by oc on Jun 25, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shelton doesnt give you a thing
You are crazy!! Having shelton in the lineup gives you absolutelynothing, other than 3 Ks each game!!
by thad728 on Jun 25, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that blalock blog sounds like he may have...
caused a significant setback by playing before he should and could be out for weeks…
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 25, 2008 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh
“Let the kids play”
Are you serious? Go ahead and take a look at the lineup every once in a while.
by brettgardner on Jun 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea I have never done that.
Seriously what kind of a comment was that? When I am talking about kids I am referring to Davis, Max, Mathis(as a starter) and possibly Madrigal. I realize Salty, Boggs, and Hurley are here but this team has no chance this year to compete with just a .500 record. Moving out Shelton is not a major blow to this franchise. When he has absolutely no trade value and only stands in the way of Max and Davis.
by Ranger Capt on Jun 25, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
that these guys all get decent playing time (not necessarily REGULAR PT)
mendoza 26 yrs
murphy 26 yrs
kinsler 26 yrs
boggs 25 yrs
salt 23 yrs
duran 23 yrs
max ram 23 yrs
feldman 25 yrs
gabbard 26 yrs
rupe 25 yrs
hurley 22 yrs
and then there’s these guys that have played and may end up getting called up again
mathis 25 yrs
murray 26 yrs
littleton 25 yrs
that said, i wouldn’t object to dumping shelton and bringing up daivs. but i won’t push for it either.
don’t know the average age, but i bet the rangers are close to the youngest
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by gossamer on Jun 25, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice!
look at those ages…just awesome!
by 8legs2fangs on Jun 25, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Git r done!
Davis belongs here. Let’s stop stalling.
by BudLight on Jun 25, 2008 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
August 1st...
the CD era begins.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 25, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the way you think...
Nice post.
1B – Davis/Mad Max
C – Salty/Mad Max
DH – Mad Max/Bradley (when healthy)
and bring up Cruz (he deserves another shot) while trying to shop him, while letting JMJ get some more time at AAA.
Hamilton needs more time off…I know he was tearing it up but he’s getting tired. If we want him to last, give him some days off from time to time.
That works for me.
by 8legs2fangs on Jun 25, 2008 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JMJ or C.Davis
although I dont think it would destroy them to come up right now, its not going to hurt either of them to fatten up a little bit on the farm, until August or September, I think MadMax is here to stay when Laird comes back Then you DFA Shelty and Max stays up, the kid just looks like a natural swinging the bat (almost a little Johny Gomes but better). I think the Blalock thing will be cleared up at the deadline,even if we sell low I think the Blalock trade will happen, and two years after it happens will be looked at like the AGon trade two years later, whether thats fair or not.
by blueballlefty on Jun 25, 2008 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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