Saturday afternoon linkaliciousness
Various things from around the internets (remember, its not a truck, its a series of tubes)...
John Barten offers his weekly THT Awards, and still has Milton Bradley as the A.L. MVP, although David Murphy isn't listed amongst the A.L. ROY contenders...
Also at THT, last weekend, there was a piece on Edinson Volquez that looks at his pitch f/x data to determine what it is that he's been doing that has made him one of the best pitchers in baseball so far this season...it is lengthy, and there is a lot of wonky charts and graphs and stuff, but I think it is a real good analysis of how Volquez has been doing what he is doing...
Jeff Erickson has an article up looking at the two Texas teams and their fantasy impacts...
Several recent BP chats had some Ranger flava...Christina Kahrl says go get Christopher Davis, right now, for your fantasy team, and touches on Milton Bradley, Vicente Padilla, and the Hank Blalock situation, among other things...
Steven Goldman also has some Rangers stuff in a chat session up, including a lot of Josh Hamilton talk...
John Perrotto thinks that the Rangers can get something solid for Padilla, should they choose to deal him, while Milton Bradley will be more problematic to move (in terms of getting a significant return)...
Joe Sheehan says the Rangers have a chance to build "a truly great team" if they can move Padilla, Millwood and/or Bradley at the deadline for some young pitching...and expands on that in an article on Thursday, saying that Daniels "can set up a possible dynasty" by selling at the deadline.
Jon Heyman talks at length about the C.C. Sabathia situation, and the available arms at the deadline, and for those who are pushing the "make a trade with the Indians contingent on signing him to an extension," please read this:
Furthermore, a quickly-signed contract for either the Indians or someone else seems unlikely. Sabathia is believed to be seeking Johan Santana money ($137.5 million), or at the very least, Barry Zito money ($126 million), and it's difficult to envision him offering discounts on the precipice of free agency. One person who knows Sabathia said ultimately he didn't see the pitcher chasing every last dollar as a free agent and suggested he couldn't envision the Bay Area native signing long-term in New York (the Yankees, with a definite need, have been viewed as a favorite).
Competing GMs doubt the savvy Shapiro will provide acquiring teams a three-day window to lock up Sabathia, anyway. As one GM said, "Too many things can go wrong.''
So let's stop with that talk.
Neftali Feliz is #2 on the BA Prospect Hot List this week, and Matt Eddy says, in the Hot Sheet chat, that Chris Davis has 70-80 power and could go on a "rookie home run rampage"...
Chris Dial offers a breakdown of all A.L. players in 2007, in terms of runs above average (combining offense and defense)...Mark Ellis was, by this measure, one of the best players in the A.L., by virtue of his stellar offense, and the much maligned OMFT was only about 6 runs below average last year...
The Rangers are calling up their No. 1 prospect, first baseman Chris Davis. This guy's gone from fifth-round draft choice to the majors in just slightly over two calendar years, which is pretty impressive. Still only 22, he's already hit 23 home runs this season: 13 in Double-A, 10 in Triple-A. The Rangers say first base is Hank Blalock's when he's healthy enough to play. But I suspect Davis is better than Blalock right now. And the Rangers are too close to first place to play inferior players.
U.S.S. Mariner identifies a couple of players that they think the M's should target (since they are in full play-for-2009-mode), and Nelson Cruz is one of them...
An A's blog also thinks the A's should target Cruz, and talks about some trade possibilities to get him there...
Ken Rosenthal has various notes up...
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Dear lord, what a post
First off, “Series of Tubes” = LOL WUT.
Speaking of rookie home run rampages, how about Longoria? 15 bombs through his first 250 ML AB’s.
My, how Blalock has fallen. He’s now an “inferior” player? Ha ha ha.
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Davis hits lights out
I just don’t see how you can send him back down when Hank comes back.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 28, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
What’s messed up is the situation between Vazquez and Blalock. That has to be a new low for Hank—his best hope is now DH?
I never thought Vazquez would pull a Melvin Mora, but you can’t bench the guy if he’s hitting .318 / .386 / .509 or OPS+ of 139. That’s just insane.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Geoff (Ashburn, Va): Long-term in a 5×5 league: Hamilton, or Ellsbury?Joe Sheehan: Ellsbury for the steals and the age. Close call.
"Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?"
by sprite on Jun 28, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Your usual 5×5 league is going to be average, HRs, runs, RBIs, and steals
Having Ellsbury should be enough to get you a top 3-4 finish in steals in most leagues, and he’s probably going to give you more than Hamilton in runs and average.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 28, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Avg?
Ellsbury is hitting .273. I know Josh is likely to come down, and Ellsbury is likely to improve, but I doubt it’s going to be a massive difference between the two.
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 28, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree big time
HRs are what win you leagues. You can grab steals anywhere. Go find Kaz Matsui or something on the WW if you need steals. The best thing to do is go after guys like Kinsler or Sizmore early and get steals as well as good HRs. Get some other guys like McLouth or Milledge who will also give you a fair amount of steals throughout the year but don’t hurt you as much in the other categories. Ellsbury will never be an RBI guy and won’t get anywhere near as many HRs as Hamilton.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 28, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Folks, meet Joe Sheehan
Quite possibly the only Josh Hamilton hater in the entire universe.
by lonestarJon on Jun 29, 2008 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheenan
I get why dealing Bradley and Vazquez makes sense. Of course, I think you could add Millwood to that list. But why should we deal Padilla?
I strongly disagree with the need to deal Padilla.
If we are on the fringes of contention, Padilla seems like someone you would want to hold onto. He is under team control for next season and he has an option for 2010. He is having a solid season, only 30, and could potentially give us two more good seasons at a reasonable price. I highly doubt that he will be blocking anyone. If we want to possibly compete in the next two seasons, why not hold onto Padilla? It seems that, given Padilla’s struggles last year, his value in a trade is less than his value to the Rangers for the next 2.5 years.
by stephen86 on Jun 28, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
I think one of Millwood / Padilla should be traded, though.
The way Milly’s been going, with 3 quality starts in his last 10 outings, I think you’d be selling low. Unless he turns around with a big July, they might have to deal Padzilla out of necessity.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No freaking way
If Padilla’s good… and he is…. dealing him out of necessity is just ignorant. Why deal him if he’s producing this year and is capable of producing next year and possibly beyond? That’s another damn rotation spot we’ll have to hope some young guy can mature and fill. Forget about trading Padilla.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 28, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I disagree
Padzilla averaged just 145 IP the previous four seasons. I wouldn’t plan on expecting 200+ IP and an ERA significantly above league-average from him during his 31, 32 y/o seasons.
He’s really a #3/#4 SP, imo, but you may be able to find #2 value for him at the deadline or in the offseason, given his contract and arm.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well with Texas
He looks like he will have 2 out of 3 200 IP seasons.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 28, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean much to me
The point is that he isn’t nearly consistent enough to be a #1 or #2.
Besides, that ‘06 season was league-average production, which is still valuable.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect to get for Padilla?
In your mind, what is a reasonable return for Padilla at the trading deadline?
This year, the market at the trading deadline is saturated with quality starting pitchers. Harden, Bedard, Sabathia, Burnett, Wolf, Maddux, Garcia (FA), Millwood, Blanton, Washburn.
Do you really expect a team to give up a couple of top prospects for Padilla when there appear to be a lot of decent starting pitchers available via trade (supposedly)?
As you already pointed out, Padilla has a history of inconsistency that might pull down his trade value. At the same time, he is on pace for his second 200 inning season in three seasons with the Rangers. He has been an all-star in the past, and he definitely has plus stuff. He is under team control for 1.5 more years and has an option for 2010. He seems like the exact type of pitcher you would want to keep going forward. At worst, he struggles next year and you decline his option for 2010. At best, he ends up winning 20 games and pitching 200 innings this year, is healthy and competitive in 2009, and can be penciled into the rotation in 2010 at a reasonable price.
It certainly seems that he is more valuable to the Rangers in the rotation than as a piece in a mid-season trade.
by stephen86 on Jun 28, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I do
if you could give up 2 prospects for a year and a half of Padilla over 4 or 5 prospects for a half year of most of those other guys I think a lot of teams would bite.
by blueballlefty on Jun 28, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they don't bite at the deadline
Let him put another 200 inning season together and deal him in the offseason when the market is less saturated. It’s all about timing.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neyer
suggesting we are “too close to first place” is laughable.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 28, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cruz...
I’ve been mulling over who might be interested in Cruz. The A’s came to mind, but I don’t see that deal going down. I’d expect JD to ask for Cahill just to put a stop to the idea. I’ve been thinking KC could be a good fit in an exchange of interesting but disappointing (and maybe 4A) guys: Cruz for Jorge De La Rosa
Both made it through waivers earlier this year before posting really nice numbers in AAA.
by rooster on Jun 28, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To save people time heres some ranges Q's (Goldman Edition)
dude (cal): (in the off-chance you follow the TX Rangers) Do you envisage Saltalamacchiawicz start hitting like he was supposed to now that he’s playing every day?Steven Goldman: I follow everyone, Dude (do you abide?). Salty will hit, I think, but his glove has been the thing holding him back. He hasn’t been throwing out runners or blocking the plate real well. If his bat is what it should be, teams will be willing to overlook it, but when you’re competing with a good glove like Laird, who was also hitting a bit when he got hurt, the temptation will always be to make like Lou Costello and shout, FIRST BASE!!!
joelefkowitz (boonton, nj): i for one think the reds are the overwhelmingly CLEAR winners in the volquez/hamilton trade. first off, both teams needed pitching more than hitting, so the team getting the pitcher is already up. second, the reds had bruce to replace hamilton.. where’s volquez v2.0 in texas? mostly though, it seems like hamilton is having an mvp year, but only an average year relative to other mvps. volquez’s dominance this year – if this pace is kept up – is seemingly legendary.Steven Goldman: Finally turned in that column, so I’m all yours now—and I can finally get some music going. Writing in two windows plus humming a tune is more than my small brain can process at once… Here’s an interesting question for you: the Rangers suck at developing pitching. Are historically bad at it. After Kevin Brown (who had to get away from them to get really good) and Kenny Rogers, there’s really no one, and they were well on their way to ruining Volquez. Say they recognize that they are incapable of developing him. Therefore, he was zero value TO THEM. His value to the Reds is irrelevant. In this sense, the Rangers win the trade, because they gave up something of no utility and got an MVP candidate. See what I’m saying?
Justin Zeth (Altoona, PA): There’s something about that park in Texas (or maybe any park down there, I don’t know) that makes it impossible to pitch. I don’t know WHAT… but there’s SOMETHING. Too many pitchers have joined the Rangers and immediately imploded and/or left the Rangers and immediately became good pitchers.Steven Goldman: But it was true in the old park, too. Despite having some very promising hurlers over the years, they just never work out. The DVD thing, with Danks and Volquez pitching well elsewhere and Diamond still around but hurt, underscores that.
Ira (North Texas): The old park was just fine to pitch in. Plenty of pitchers were fine there. Ryan, Fergie Jenkins, Gaylor Perry, Ron Darling, Kevin Brown, Kenny Rogers, Charlie Hough, and many others. The new park opened in 1995.Steven Goldman: Yeah, but they didn’t bake any of those guys. They came in as vets (and Ron Darling left as a minor leaguer). Kevin Brown and Kenny Rogers are the only homegrown pitchers of significance in team history. Heck, I’m still waiting for Ed Correa’s comeback.
joelefkowitz (boonton, nj): still think the rangers are the organizational losers though, since the cost of getting a coaching staff that could’ve figured out volquez couldn’t possibly have cost as much as it will to get him back now that he is gone. plus, i’d really like to hear some qualifications to the “rangers were on their way to ruining volquez,” claim. thanks for chatting by the way. (don’t want to sound like that prick that posted earlier simply because i disagree with you in this one regard)Steven Goldman: Joel, we’re all about disagreeing here. I mean, if you can’t listen to with an open mind to opposing points of view, you can’t learn. An untested viewpoint isn’t really worth anything. If these chats were just one-sided, I wouldn’t look forward to doing them as much as I do… The Rangers had jerked Volquez around a lot, and there were some leaks last year about his having a bad attitude. That’s what I meant by “ruining.” As for the coaching staff, you’re right, but somehow despite many owners, GMs, managers, pitching coaches, they haven’t been able to do it. If you trade your hypothetical for someone else’s certainty, maybe that’s not a bad thing. I’m playing devil’s advocate here more than anything else.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jun 28, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Rogers and Kevin Brown...
...in the 21 years i’ve been a Ranger fan, those are the only two top-of-the-rotation starters we’ve developed… i can’t even put Rick Helling in that group…
...so while the rest of you piss your panties about Feliz, Beavan, Main, Kiker and whoever else… i’ll hold off until i see them owning Frisco…
by oc on Jun 28, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say only KB qualifies
Unless you want to start talking Volquez and maaaaaybe Danks and Harang, though we dealt Harang young, and he got dealt again before he finally “found it”.
Kenny was good, and some seasons he was very good.
But he was never an ace in the way I think of an ace.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 28, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard of Steven Goodman before
and now I know why.
That was some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read on any subject, ever.
What a stupid, stupid man.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 28, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KLaw Chat that Adam missed.
Jim (Clinton, IA): Any news on Smoak/Rangers negotiations? I thought he was supposed to sign quickly. Will I see him in a LumberKing uniform soon?SportsNation Keith Law: I don’t think he was expected to sign quickly – he slid out of the top 10 on bonus demands.
Albert (Vernon, TX): With the Rangers calling up Chris Davis from AAA, what should we expect out of him? What do you think his future is?SportsNation Keith Law: Middle of the order bat, 40 HR potential, some swing and miss there, will probably whiff quite a bit the rest of the way in the majors.
Andrew (Chicago): Keith – You say Volquez wouldnt be performing like this in Texas. Is this due to the arm slot change, the ballparks or coaching staffs?SportsNation Keith Law: Level of competition and ballpark. The AL is still light-years ahead of the NL.
Coach Chris Walker: Volquez for Hamilton. Does either team ask for a do-over?SportsNation Keith Law: No way – I think the Reds have to be thrilled to have a young pitcher who can pitch in their environment and isn’t on a surgeon’s table, and Texas has one of the best players in the game, plus I doubt Volquez would be performing like this in Texas. Win/win.
Jon Danials: The AL is far superior and smater, too. Why have the pitcher hit?...How high would Neftali Feliz rank in your top 100 now?SportsNation Keith Law: Somewhere in the 50-75 range. Great arm, but he’s still a ways off. I don’t think I had many low-A pitchers in my top 50, and those who were there were probably 2007 draftees.
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION, too: would julio borbon make your top 100 list?SportsNation Keith Law: Not yet, no.
Ben in Dallas: Do tou have any iformation about the Rangers picks Robbie Ross, Martinez, or Armstrong? Bonus demands etc would be helpful.SportsNation Keith Law: Ross told me directly he was asking for $1.575 million, which is probably 50% over what I think he’s worth. Martinez was allegedly looking for $1MM. No idea on Armstrong, whom I didn’t like as a prospect at all.
MelanieP: How about answering a mom’s question? My son loves Jarred Saltalamacchia, how good can he be for the rangers?SportsNation Keith Law: He’s going to run into a positional squeeze, but he’s a potential middle-of-the-order bat for someone.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jun 28, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
sounds like Ross’ dad is an idiot, after all.
BOS / NYY or … big bucks? Right …
SportsNation Keith Law: Ross told me directly he was asking for $1.575 million, which is probably 50% over what I think he’s worth.
I hope he’s pretty damn good because you don’t waste a pick that high, imo.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This reminds me
some of the Lemon situation. It’s a higher pick, but basically the Rangers have to pay more to sign the guy than the consensus says he’s worth. I’d be surprised if they didn’t know what they were getting into, but it would definitely suck if they didn’t.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 28, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Rangers
can Martinez signed for 1 million. Without all the draft picks like they had last season, they could still have as great of a draft if they get Martinez and Ross signed.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 28, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
and you figure they had decent knowledge of bonus demands, going into it …
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, LSJ's Mom is named Melanie.
Good to know.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 28, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My staff sent me an internet on wednesday.
I didn’t get it until today.
by philkid3 on Jun 28, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheehan Quote
In yesterday’s column, I wrote something pretty dumb:Every year, someone can hit 74 homers, or drive in 192 runs, or pop 263 hits, because those feats are all under a player’s control, a function of playing time and performance.Two out of three ain’t bad? With apologies to Meat Loaf, yeah, it is. Driving in 192 runs is just as dependent on opportunities as saves are. Hits, home runs, and most counting stats are individual. On the other hand, RBI are all about performance and context, requiring teammates to help you out as well.
This is annoying to me because the first sabermetric concept I ever really grasped, way back in the 1980s, was the idea that RBI weren’t a measure of skill so much as the intersection of slugging average and lineup position. To make the above mistake is like a medical resident mistaking the heart for the spleen, and not noticing until there was a persistent, annoying high-pitched tone in the room and an oddly still spleen under his scalpel.
by philkid3 on Jun 28, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Quote within the quote
nicely done. I’ve yet to see somebody do that.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should that Sabathia contract rumor
make me want to stop wanting him here?
Barry Zito money is what it’s going to take to bring in an ace via free agency. Are you saying you would never advocate paying that sort of money for a pitcher? Cause if not we better start putting some huge dollars into the draft and LA, cause we’re never gonna lure an ace here if Zito money for Sabathia makes you all weak in the loins.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 28, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am saying that...
...talk about the Rangers trading for him and trying to sign him during a 72 hour window should stop.
The Rangers could sign him after the season. The trade-and-sign thing, though, isn’t realistic.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 28, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, okay
Didn’t know there was any such talk.
Yah, that’d be stupid.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 28, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, I just got a pneu-mail!
this is one of my favorite Daily Show segments of all time:
Damn it, does anyone know how to embed videos into comments? I still haven’t figure it out…
by alon91 on Jun 28, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't imbed video
at least not when 2.0 launched.
I doubt they’ve had time to integrate that even if they are planning on doing it.
Try a Fanshot for embedding video.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 28, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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