In the Year 2000 (and eleven)...
In the main thread, there was a link to a couple of Baseball Prospectus pieces from Joe Sheehan about how the Rangers could become a “dynasty” if they become sellers this year; turning players such as Milton Bradley, Kevin Millwood, Vicente Padilla, and Ramon Vazquez into young pitching. And it started me thinking about what it takes to become a dynasty. In my mind, either you need to have lots of quality players entering their primes at the same time, or you need to have lots of quality players at different stages and be able to quickly respond when some of them start declining.
While it certainly seems like the Rangers are getting close, it looks like the picture will start taking shape around 2011. I thought I’d just post a position-by-position listing of the candidates for that opening day lineup. The numbers next to the players are their ages as of March 31st, 2011 (I’ve also listed the date of birth). The criteria for my list were that each player has to be 22 at this time, and you have to be at least in Bakersfield right now (the only exception is Justin Smoak). I’ve also left players in their current positions, with the exception of Michael Young, who I can’t imagine will still be playing Shortstop by this time. Sheehan has got a (very good) point though about the pitching, which really looks weak.
Catcher –
Taylor Teagarden 27 (12/21/1983)
Max Ramirez 26 (10/11/1984)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia 25 (5/2/1985)
Comments: Are there any major league catchers younger than Saltalamacchia? Seriously, I don’t think there is one. The closest one that I know of is Washington’s Jesus Flores (10/26/1984), born only 15 days after the Rangers’ current backup, Ramirez.
First Base –
Christopher Davis 25 (3/17/1986)
Smoak 24 (12/5/1986)
Comments: Hopefully whoever is the General Manager at this time remembers those famous words of George Santayana when the Rangers have “too many” First Basemen. (Note: You don’t need to look it up; it was Santayana who said, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”)
Second Base –
Ian Kinsler 28 (6/22/1982)
German Duran 26 (8/3/1984)
Jose Vallejo 24 (9/11/1986)
Comments: Kinsler in his prime.
Shortstop –
Joaquin Arias 26 (9/21/1984)
Marcus Lemon 22 (6/3/1988)
Elvis Andrus 22 (8/26/1988)
Comments: I’m not sure about Arias’s status regarding options (I don’t think the Rangers used one on him last year, so he might have one left after 2008). He can steal bases (he’s 14 for 16 this year), but rarely draws walks (he has 5 this year compared to 195 at-bats) and has no power. I’m thinking that if roster spaces start getting competitive, Arias could get DFA’d. As for Andrus, it’s possible that he arrives in Arlington before he turns 21.
Third Base –
Michael Young 34 (10/19/1976)
Travis Metcalf 28 (8/17/1982)
John Whittleman 24 (2/11/1987)
Comments: If Young does indeed get forced to move over to Third, my guess is that his biggest competition could come if the Rangers decide to try Davis at the position. Metcalf was hitting incredibly well in Spring Training (.412/.444/.824) until he injured his hamstring, requiring surgery. In the 33 games that he’s been Oklahoma City (working on his second option), he’s hitting just .226/.262/.315. It could be interesting to see what the Rangers do if they start having issues with the 40 (which, as we all know, “TRUMPS ALL”). From what I’ve read, Whittleman’s defense is absolutely horrific.
Outfielders –
Josh Hamilton 29 (5/21/1981)
Ben Harrison 29 (9/18/1981)
David Murphy 29 (10/18/1981)
Brandon Boggs 28 (1/9/1983)
John Mayberry 27 (12/21/1983)
Julio Borbon 25 (2/20/1986)
Comments: Hamilton is in. The two other guys are the real question. Harrison is Rule 5 eligible this year, and he’s hitting .335/.419/.589 with 14 stolen bases (in 16 attempts) in Double-A this year. It’s also possible that Davis’s future could be in the outfield.
Starting Pitchers –
A.J. Murray 29 (3/17/1982)
Scott Feldman 28 (2/7/1983)
Thomas Diamond 27 (4/6/1983)
Douglas Mathis 27 (6/7/1983)
Brandon McCarthy 27 (7/7/1983)
Luis Mendoza 27 (10/31/1983)
Michael Ballard 27 (2/6/1984)
Matt Harrison 25 (8/16/1985)
Eric Hurley 25 (9/17/1985)
Michael Schlact 25 (12/9/1985)
Evan Reed 25 (12/31/1985)
Tommy Hunter 24 (7/3/1986)
Zach Phillips 24 (9/21/1986)
Omar Poveda 23 (9/28/1987)
Kasey Kiker 23 (11/19/1987)
Comments: Possibly the biggest names in the system will be 22 on Opening Day 2011: Michael Main (12/14/1988), Blake Beavan (1/17/1989), and Neftali Feliz (5/2/1988). None of them, however, are currently above A Ball.
Relief Pitchers –
Brian Gordon 32 (8/16/1978)
C.J. Wilson 30 (11/18/1980)
Josh Rupe 28 (8/18/1982)
Kea Kometani 28 (12/24/1982)
Warner Madrigal 27 (3/21/1984)
Ryan Falcon 26 (8/27/1984)
Josh Lueke 26 (12/5/1984)
Andrew Laughter 26 (2/24/1985)
Beau Jones 24 (8/25/1986)
Comments: Projecting future relievers is hard because so many starters are eventually moved to the bullpen.
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 29, 2008 1:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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It would be interesting to revisit this list after the trade deadline.
This list helps us remember the importance of patience when you realize how young some of these guys are. Many here have almost given up on Saltalamacchia and McCarthy, but they both have lots of time. McCarthy could come back healthy at just 25 next opening day, his prime still approaching. Salty probably should have been in the minors all last year, and his development at catcher was slowed down by all that first base crap.
With prospects, too many here expect nothing but consistenly upward trajectories, and too many are in a hurry to trade anyone who has a couple of bad weeks or a setback in development. And, more often, there are too many calls for promotions when a player already young for his level is doing well. Andrus can stay in Frisco all of this year, be in OKC all of next year, and with a Sept. 2009 callup he’d still reach the big leagues just after his 21st birthday.
Catchers. The Rangers do not have to trade someone in the next month. It seems likely, but those anxious to trade away the catching depth should remember Laird’s ups and downs over the last 4 years, and how highly he was thought of here when Barajas was still around. All 4 of the guys listed above have at least one question mark in their skill set. Is it really so bad to have more time to evaluate them? And don’t underestimate the trade value of any of them despite those question marks. The other 29 teams know how tough it is to be a major league starting catcher. Even Pudge faced questions about perceived holes in his game.
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by t ball on Jun 29, 2008 7:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
I do like your parameters. Realistically where do you see Beavan, Feliz, and Main in 2011? They should all be in AA or higher if things go well of course.
I am excited about your whole list especially considering that the rangers have some very good chips to possibly trade at the deadline. They have the best hitter and possibly the best available starting pitcher in Padilla. I mean they arent doing to fetch us Buchholz or anything like that but we should get some nice parts. I just hope those nice parts are pitchers haha
by booyahcaveman on Jun 29, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beavan, Feliz, Main
Beavan should probably be in OKC by then and will have probably had a cup of coffee in the bigs.
Feliz will probably be in the bigs. I see him spending the last half of this and first half of ext in Bakersfield. Last half of next and first part of 2010 in Frisco. Last half of 2010 in OKC and gets a September 2010 callup which will lead to him winning a spot in the 2011 rotation
Main will be right alongside Beavan in OKC.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 29, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the comments...
It’s hard to guess how fast Blake Beavan, Neftali Feliz and Michael Main will move through the system. What I do know is that Beavan and Main were both drafted out of high school in 2007. Had they gone to four-year colleges, they would have been draft-eligible again in 2010, which would have made their first full season in the pros 2011. Age wise (not including the fact that Tommy Hunter was born months later in the “September 1st – August 31st” school year), that would place them where Hunter is right now.
Hunter, who I think is doing phenomenal, started the year in High-A and was promoted to Double-A after nine starts. If Main and/or Beavan start the 2011 season in Double-A and is (are) then quickly promoted to Tripe-A, that puts him (them) a year ahead of Hunter in terms of development. I’d say that would be pretty incredible.
by YourNameHere on Jun 29, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By 2011...
A lot of these guys won’t even be here…
Especially Arias/Andrus.
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by miles on Jun 29, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Wes Cox on Jun 29, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
that was f’n funny
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by hinduplaya on Jun 29, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved that series ...
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I’ll give ya something.
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2. A stuffing
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 29, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rotation
If I had to predict the 2011 rotation from the list above, it would be…
Thomas Diamond 27 (4/6/1983)
Brandon McCarthy 27 (7/7/1983)
Matt Harrison 25 (8/16/1985)
Eric Hurley 25 (9/17/1985)
Kasey Kiker 23 (11/19/1987)
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
by RangerMad on Jun 29, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Replace Diamond...
with Feliz and I think you got it.
Of course it won’t really happen because of trades and FA, but out of the guys in the system right now that would probably be my bet.
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by slc ranger on Jun 29, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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