Rosenthal notes
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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PrintKen Rosenthal has some notes up today, that includes some stuff on the Rangers...specifically, discussions of a possible Josh Hamilton long-term contract, and this on the Rangers being sellers:
The Angels could pull away in the AL West now that they are getting healthy, a development that would leave the Rangers in position to market their veteran starting pitchers. Right-hander Vicente Padillia already is "very, very much available," according to a rival executive.
The problem with Padilla is that he is difficult to trust, particularly when he is earning $11 million this season and $12 million next season. Righty Kevin Millwood also is expensive at $8.5 million this season, $11 million next season and $12 million in 2010. Righty Sidney Ponson, enjoying a resurgence at 31, is less established, but one of the season's best bargain pickups.
The 2010 contractual situations for Millwood and Padilla both, though, would seem to make them a little more attractive.
Padilla has a team option for 2010 for $12 million, with a $1.75 million buyout. Millwood's 2010 deal becomes cancellable based on innings pitched. In a nutshell, the 2010 is basically a team option that will vest if he pitches about 180 innings next year.
That gives a team acquiring either one of those guys some flexibility. Realistically, if Kevin Millwood gives you 180 innings in 2009, you are probably going to be willing to pay him $12 million for one year for 2010. And Padilla is someone who, if he performs, he can keep around for a not-unreasonable amount, and if he doesn't, you can cut loose after 2009.
So I do think that these two guys' contracts are more attractive on the trade market than Rosenthal suggests. I think, when you look at what middle of the road starting pitchers are commanding on the open market, having someone like Padilla or Millwood on a short-term deal that you can cut loose after 2009 if it isn't working is going to be appealing. And, barring the Rangers hanging in the playoff race, I expect one of those guys to get moved in July.
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Aren't many
available pitchers throwing better than Padilla right now.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Yep...
I don’t give a shit what the media says about Padilla and Millwood being “expensive”. Look at the price of starting pitching right now and tell me those 2 aren’t worth their contracts. I still say you only trade either one of them only if you are overwhelmed. If a team is not willing to do that then screw ‘em. They can have Ponson instead.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Padilla
I am surprised he is “very available” right now. The team is hanging in there and he has been the most reliable starting pitcher so far. I would definitely like to see them hang onto him until after the ASB at least. It would be a big blow to the team to see Doug Mathis permanently replace Padilla in the rotation at this juncture.
Fire Ron Washington
Padilla
If Padilla or Millwood get traded it will be Hurley who will replace them. Reason is that way they can bring him up and leave him up no matter how he performs. That way you don’t burn an option unnecessarily.
Hurley's option is already being used.
He’s on the 40, so to be sent down to the minors, he had to have an option used.
R
We live in a world
where Adam Eaton gets about $8M a year, and Millwood and Padilla are considered expensive?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Padilla
He’s very, very available?
Oh, because the Rangers have very, very much pitching depth.
Of course.
Go Strangers.
let's put it this way
would you rather keep Millwood AND Padilla, and not bring in even more top-end prospects, and miss the playoffs this year keeping them?
or trade one along with Salty/Teagarden/Laird and/or Milton Bradley and pick up a potential future ace such as Clay Buchholz, David Price, Francisco Liriano, Adenhart, Adam Miller, maybe even Manny Parra?
I’d even try taking Oliver Perez and Fernando Martinez in exchange for Millwood/Padilla, Milton Bradley and Laird…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 3, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
A couple of distinctions
There is a big spread between Buchholz/Price/Liriano and Adenhart/Miller/Parra. I know that there is a similar injury issue with Liriano and Miller, but those first three have really good chances of being #1 or #2 starters. The second group could be #2s, but face enough obstacles that in the right deal maybe you could get them.
Having said that, I wouldn’t rule out the possibility, but I’m not sure how motivated any of those teams would really be to do that sort of deal.
On the Mets thing, they wouldn’t give Fernando Martinez to get Johan Santana. They’re going to let go of him for that group? Also, I’m not sure why Perez makes sense in that sort of deal. They need him, and we might as well wait for his free agency.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
just thinking aloud more than anything
didn’t know that about Fernando Martinez, that’s interesting…
my ideal situation is to wait and see if Posada’s back 100% or if he relapses, and if the Red Sox want to make a move now that Ortiz is out, considering they’re thinking long-term in regards to Varitek.
a move like acquiring “shaky” Liriano now could put us over the top in a year or two…you never know, and those are the moves I think this franchise has to make to get a top-end ace, just as it was the move we had to make acquiring a top-end center fielder
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 3, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
relapse into shoulder problems...
maybe the words “relapse” and “injury” don’t fit too well together…I don’t know, I’m not an MD
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 4, 2008 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Knowing how fickle
ownership and fans are and how whiny Michael Young is, my only concern with all of this is a major drop in morale (not just in the clubhouse but around the franchise, a la this April). Having said that, it’s all about what kind of value you can get. I can’t even give an opinion on what I’d do as far as Padilla and Millwood without knowing something about what they’re getting back. Ponson should be moved in July if he’s pitching well though (and Texas isn’t in the middle of a race).
One other thing to go along with that, McCarthy would really be big for this franchise if he could help stabilize things in the second half somehow. He and Hurley are really the only guys with enough talent to be meaningful additions to this rotation in the near future, and we all know what Hurley has gone through this spring.
What if?
Rangers are 5 or 6 games behind in wildcard? Where do you pull the trigger with all the politics involved here, (Young, Fans, Hicks, local Media, etc)?
trade Ponson
Ponson is the easiest pitcher to trade, if we can get real value for Laird I would think now is the best time to do so…I would love to trade Ponson and Laird to the Yankees in a month or two if they are still on the playoff fence at that point, try to milk out some top prospects for a player we don’t really want around here (other than AJM) and a pitcher we didn’t have in our plans at the beginning of the year. With that said, I would personally miss Ponson – when the guy’s got it going, he looks like one of the best pitchers we’ve seen in Arlington in years…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 3, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
it hurts to admit it...
but it’s true, at least to me…he’s got some pretty sick movement on his pitches. I’m happy we took a flier on him
anybody know how John Patterson’s coming along?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 3, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
that Ponson is the natural first choice to deal off once they are out of it.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What can they get
for him? A Boggs-level guy?
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
I've decided
to sit with Linus and wait for the Great Pumpkin to appear rather than count on any meaningful contributions from Brandon McCarthy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Re: counting on any meaningful contributions
That’s how we feel about you.
But you keep on keeping on, sourpuss. Haters gotta hate.
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Replacement
I’ve stated my reservations about trading Millwood in the past, and I think Adam’s comment from earlier today in the Tuesday Morning post says it all,
...the Murrays and Mathises, they don’t have a problem yoyoing, because they are fringey guys anyway, future middle-men or back of the rotation starters.
The emphasis is mine, but the Rangers have a lot of the “Murrays and Mathises”. They need to be able to replace Padilla’s or Millwood’s production for ‘09, and I don’t think this will happen from within (at least nobody is looking like they will at the moment). Getting a quality free agent in the past has proven to be difficult. If a Murray or a Mathis could reel off a series of quality starts between now and the deadline, I could see how the Rangers would be willing to trade Padilla or Millwood. However, Padilla being “very, very much available” right now just does not make much sense.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
I agree about underestimating
how difficult it might be to replace Millwood and/or Padilla. And for what it’s worth, if Murray or Mathis reels off a series of quality starts in the next two months, it’s probably fools gold anyway, so I hope they don’t base the availability of the first two on that. Their viable internal options for top four starters for 2009 are: Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Hurley. They don’t have anyone else, and as we’ve chronicled, McCarthy and Hurley both are questions until they establish themselves. So if you’re going to move Millwood or Padilla and hope to win much in 2009, you’d better have something up your sleeve.
Again though, it just depends on what the return might be. There are certain less than elite pitching prospects for whom I might be willing to gamble one of our two veterans.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m not covinced that he’s a serious prospect, especially for next year. The guy just doesn’t miss enough minor league bats.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
That's the question:
What year are the Rangers rebuilding for? Last season I thought it was 2009 with Chris Davis, TT and Hurley. Now that might be Davis and Max. But with only Hurley being the possible pitching contributor, should the organization be planning for 2010? If it’s 2010, I guess they should trade Padilla, Millwood, Bradley and anyone else for as many mid to low level prospects as possible.
JD drinks the Angels milkshake.
It really depends
I think the theme for this trading deadline will be “Majors ready”, that means I’d be surprised if we didn’t take some college guys pretty high in the draft, and I’d guess any conversation with other teams will probably revolve around guys that might contribute, but not be stars or guys who are blocked like Andy LaRoche with the Dodgers.
What if the Crazy Diamond shines on?
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You feel like that's pretty likely?
:)
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
Nah.
But I’d be more excited about him than the Tejedas and flabby Gabbys and Mendozas that some peeps yearly pipe dream on…
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
how does he compare to Kason Gabbard
both being lefties, I like to compare them as I’m hoping Harrison is a much better prospect. And Gabbard, when on, can be very effective in Arlington…so that is my question.
what about Tommy Hunter…we seem to be moving him rather quickly, if he’s already in AA, any chance he’s a 2009 rotation candidate at some point in the year, or is he going to slow down some, and/or be moved to the bullpen?
what about Tom Diamond? How long do we ideally have to wait before he’s a consideration?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 3, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer
But I think that Hunter is a backend roto or middle-setup type reliever, Diamond has a long ways to go before anyone needs to get excited about him, and that while Harrison probably has a fair amount more than Gabbard, I’m not sure that they’re completely different classes of pitchers. Harrison throws a little harder and can seemingly use his fastball more casually. But Gabbard doesn’t have a horrible curve or change, and I wouldn’t be surprised if those pitches are fairly comparable between the two guys. Harrison can also potentially mix four pitches supposedly. But I’m not sure that he can keep the ball on the ground as well as Gabbard can, when on.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Milly, Padilla, McCarthy, Hurley
Even if all 4 of those are here next year, they’d better be shoring up the bullpen.
I’d bet on Daniels more than most GMs to pull off an unconventional deal that manages to bring back a viable young starter for one of those guys, but that’s still a long shot. I’d also bet on him to do something big (yet again) in the offseason to get a starter here, dealing from minor league strength. I think we’ll see a push to start winning next year, just hope the cost isn’t too high.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Daniels
I do think that he’s pretty creative, but I can’t really think that he knows how to bring in a viable young starter without giving up one until he does it once. Padilla is about the closest he’s come (he wasn’t that young and was headed for FA). I guess the difference here would be that he would at least be trading viable MLB starters. I don’t think that he’s had that to trade, other than the Young deal.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I doesn’t make sense to trade Padilla and/or Millwood this year since the Rangers have no chance of replacing their production for this year or even at the start of 2009. I think what would make more sense is to trade them either in the offseason or at the 2009 ASB, because by then the Rangers should have a better idea of what they have coming up.
The Rangers, while not tearing up the league, have been competitive.
JD drinks the Angels milkshake.
who is the mccarthy person everyone keeps referencing?
...and why does anyone think that he can help this franchise?
because hes one of the better starters we have?
obviously hes a big injury risk, but if hes on the field he would help.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
mccarthy
total understatement. “Obviously he’s a big injury risk” Ya friggin’ think?
I soloed in the mile high club.
by Sr Horsedooty on Jun 3, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
you know...
the entire purpose of saying that is so that noone feels the need to comment on it.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
Boo
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
that's a sad commentary on the team
when our future is (in part) determined by a 5-10/4.97 pitcher that hasn’t thrown a pitch this season…
someone made a mark prior reference yesterday which was slightly extreme (to say that mccarthy is that good), but i think the fact remains that we can’t plan around a guy that hasn’t proven anything (except that we shouldn’t plan around him).
i, too, hope that he is an impact player, but i am very unimpressed with the impact he has made to this point.
mccarthy
3.35 minor league ERA with a 10.37 k per 9 and 1.37 bb/p
hes even now just 24.
his debut was a 4.0 era as a starter, just fine. but then the sox pushed him out of the rotation and he was meh out of the bullpen, a role he was uncomfortable with and doesnt suit him since he seems to take a while to get going, struggling early.
then with the rangers he immediately struggled with injuries all year long. after a terrible may he had a 3.5 or so ERA the rest of the way.
its much much too early to write off brandon mccarthy.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
*terrible april
and you dont have to be a 2.5 era pitcher to have an impact on this franchise. if he could come back healthy (which admittedly seems unlikely at this point) and be a 4.5 era guy that would be very helpful.
although with those positives i was mentioning i do have to bash him a bit for going so few innings in his starts. not saying he would be cy young.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
+1
Its amazing how his 3 start stretch in April screwed up his numbers for the entire year. But then again 18 runs in 6 innings will do that especially when you miss a bunch of time with injuries. Aside from his April he was borderline dominant. He hit another rough patch around the time he got injured again in June but when healthy the guy was a stud.
McCarthy as borderline dominant
This is ludicrous. Look at his peripheral stats – especially k/9, bb/9, and hr/fb. McCarthy was very fortunate that he didn’t have an ERA around 6 last season.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
I don't see Padilla moved if
we are within 5 games of the wild card. Nolan just said hes working on getting butts in the seats and this would be throwing in the towel. Now if we added a Greinke with pieces from a Padilla trade like someone mentioned in another thread, it would definately be an easier sell.
We HAVE to sign FA’s or bide our time. We are getting looks at some of those fringey guys to see if maybe just maybe one of them will stick, and so far Mendoza, Mathis, Murray haven’t shown much to this point, while Feldman has shown something worthy of a 5th starter. We had Galarraga who is doing solid for detroit, but because of roster mis-management we have him out of the equation.
If we bide our time (which is my inclination) we have to deal Padilla and Milly. it’s not like they’re aces anyway and they haven’t put in full seasons with us for 2 years now (Padz still has a chance to). We’ve all been tantalized by the whiff of contending, but we all knew that Gabbard, Feldman, Ponson, Mathis, et al would ultimately regress to their mean. Ponson is still above that but can we expect that all year?
My guess
The Rangers are going to make a hard push on a Perez, Sabathia, or Sheets this offseason.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 3, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm actually a Sheets fan
I don’t think that there is a chance in hell that they get Sabathia, especially considering what’s going on in the Bronx (TONS of money coming off the books, them looking for an impact starter, Hughes & IPK struggling so far). I like Perez, and he’s probably the most realistic, but you have to be a little concerned about how his lack of command would be magnified here.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheets
With Millwood and/or Padilla gone wouldn’t the savings from one + a couple of million land us Sheets? I’ve only seen #’s for what Sabathia expects to land this winter, Sheets figures are never really talked about.
White Women!
He will get a ton
I’m not good at guessing at that sort of thing, but I have to think pretty close to or surpassing 20 mil per.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez
I was hoping/thinking somewhere closer to $15m a year. I don’t know Johans AAV off the top of my head but he’s only making $19-Low 20s untill his contract escalates at the end. I would expect Sabathia to get that same sort of contract but not Sheets. In length or money.
White Women!
True
But I would say 6 yr $140 million is no hometown discount. He got very fair value.
White Women!
I don't
have confidence about a certain number, and I wouldn’t steadfastly predict 20MM. I just think that it will definitely approach that, given what relatively crappy starters get, as you guys have mentioned.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Sheets as well
But if he wants any kind of long term contract, I don’t think he will get $20 mil
You are right
We are going to see a backlash from all of these poor pitching signings. Someone had an excellant post that showed the regression of all the signings before the ‘07 season. I don’t think there is a pitcher on the market that will command 20 m next year. Sabathia has show some inconsistancy, and Sheets has an injury history.
Remember the offseason when Vlad signed with the Angels? I think a number of teams are feeling snake bitten these days.
Of course, the Yanks could come in and blow that theory out of the water.
And if those three pitchers
are going to cost that much, then Padilla and Millwood have a hell of a lot more value than Rosenthal gives them credit for.
We say that practially every year
Never happens, top flight pitching is just too valuable.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct
It seems like every year you hear about baseball management finally wising up and won’t be shelling out big time $$$. They you see contracts like Carlos Silvas 4yr 48m handed out and you know that will never happen. I see the talk for this off-season is that all the GMs are realizing you have to build within and spend the money on your young players. That will hold up about as well as it has every other off-season.
White Women!
Perez
Oliver Perez? Flyballer and unknown quanitity?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 3, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Based on ....
....what??
Those are big ticket free agents (Perez may be less) that are going to cost $ 15-17 million per.
How does Hicks then keep the payroll below $ 70 million and why would he raise the payroll significantly when attendance continues to plummet?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Padilla & Millwood
I was stating if one of them is shipped off. Padilla is slated at $12M next year and Millwood $11M. It would be an increase of 4-5 M. We paid Jennings/Broussard 7.5M alone this year for suck!
White Women!
Based on...
...what?? On what do you base your assumption that Hicks won’t pony up to sign a top pitcher?
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
You know what
I think is so cute about Josey? He honestly feels that he’s a freedom fighter of sorts; that but for his “realism”, we’d all be pushing each other out of the way to fellate Hicks.
Hicks has demonstrated over
the last 4 years that the payroll on this thing is not going over $ 70 million.
With MY’s contract kicking in next year and a 25% decline in attendance, I simply don’t believe that HIcks will greenlight a major increase in payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
He has?
Zito would have pushed the Rangers over $70 million. Ditto Hunter. Ditto Matsuzaka.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 3, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
How did you forget the "offer" to Teixeira?
The Rangers may have thought they were serious bidders for each of those players but they were trumped by the teams who knew what it would take to close the deal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Yeah,
cause $20 million a year is peanuts. Is that all you’ve got? I just don’t get this. There are many things you can bash Hicks for, but being cheap is not one of them.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Soriano was traded
so that the club could “afford” to have both Millwood & Padilla on the roster…per JD.
Short-term, this saved the team all of $ 6 million but we lost out on a monster Soriano contract year, had to cannabalize the roster to get the RH bat (Lee) they needed and then had to watch not only Nelson Cruz but Brad Wilkerson suck it for two seasons.
Long-term it appears that providing the # 5 media market team with a lower-middle market payroll has been a wrecking ball to attendance in Arlington (lowest attendance in 20 years).
If you want to tell me that Hicks is going to actually sign a big-ticket free agent or two to try and win back fans, I will believe it when I see it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
dumb example
Instead of paying Soriano and having no pitching we got 31 wins from Millwood and Padilla combined and we had Kinsler ready to step in and fill 2B shoes. Id say that was perfectly fine losing Soriano. Now if you want to argue we should have gotten more in return that is a different argument all together but the money is not one you are going to win.
There are so many things wrong with that post,
but I’ll respond to just this one for now:
I believe Hicks will pay for a big-ticket free agent because:
A. He said he would
B. The Rangers offered huge contracts to both Zito and Hunter last winter, which means he did what he said he would do
C. He has in the past, numerous times
Really, as I said before, there are many perfectly good reasons to hate Hicks. But he is not cheap, so you need to drop that one.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
I knew
that is what you would say. Yeah, you just know that Hicks hates signing big name players, hates winning, grandma, apple pie, children, and kicks puppies on his way to work.
I hate Hicks as much as anyone, but I at least hate him for reasons that correspond to his actual character.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Damn you're ignorant...
You sound a lot like LBrooks or Hurler and they aren’t around lately. Coincidence?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
First to answer your question
Millwood and Padilla’s contracts should make them more attractive as trade rather than be viewed as ‘expensive’ To repeat a point from above…If eaton can get $8M how can these guys be viewed as expensive.
Second, there is no way I trade either unless I get completely blown away in the return package. And I stress BLOWN AWAY. Why? You simply can not build a rotation over night. We have had borderline success at signing FA at best. The majority of our SP in the past two years are the fringe type who serve the role of filling in for a short injury or personal time off request. The rotation needs 5 good guys. Taking away two of the most dependable pieces would make sure we are not going to compete in 2009 or 2010.
To replace these guys you will end up spending a bunch more money and have no greater probability of success. See Zito and Schmidt’s contracts.
Keep these two for 09 and 10 and add to them. Hurley and Harrison are close but they can fill in the back of a quality rotation until these contracts expire not too mention neither is a guarenteed ‘ace’. I would be very dissapointed to see a rotation led by BMAC, Gabbard and Hurley starting out the 09 season. I would prefer that those three compete for the #5 spot behind 4 guys with a more proven track record.
Padilla + Jennings = Matt Holliday!
From the Woody Paige “article” via FJM. That is from the Rox hometown guy. Personally I think we should hold out for Atkins too…
As an aside where can I get the hooch that people are drinking thinking that the Giants want to rid themselves of Lincecum? Why is it that every trade thread for every player ends with “we could probably get Lincecum for X,” where X is that team’s Gerry Laird?
pitching in 2009 and 2010
so if we stand pat, but maybe trade Ponson, here’s what we have to look forward to:
2009: Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Hurley, Harrison
2010: Millwood, McCarthy, Hurley, Harrison
5th spot in 2010 could be Thomas Diamond, Tommy Hunter, or we could acquire a Ben Sheets, Oliver Perez, or (not my personal favorite) C.C. Sabathia to fill out a long-term spot for a few years…
any other options? Obviously, if we trade Laird and Milton Bradley, plus Ponson, we can expect to land prospects but will they be high-quality enough to be considered top-end? If not, do we keep Laird and send Salty or Teagarden instead, maybe include Duran and a lower level pitching prospect, and shoot for a true young ace?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
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