The Ortiz situation
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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From Will Carroll, the BoSox look like they have a problem, vis-a-vis their DH:
Reports from Boston are that Ortiz’s wrist injury is far more serious than originally thought. Images showed a torn ligament and will be casted. Early word is that he’ll miss at least a month and that surgery is “50/50″ at this stage. Rest could help or could do nothing. If you want to see a Red Sox fan throw himself off a roof, remind him that this could be a similar situation to Nomar Garciaparra’s back in 2001. More in tomorrow’s UTK.
So...what does this mean? Short-term, probably nothing...I'd imagine that the BoSox will, for the time being, roll with a Coco Crisp/Jacoby Ellsbury/J.D. Drew outfield, which would be one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball, with Manny going to DH.
If, however, Ortiz is going to miss significant time, or be out for the year, this could open up some trade possibilities. Particularly factoring in other Red Sox targets...as Peter Gammons explains:
The Red Sox have been looking to find a young catcher for years, as Jason Varitek approaches free agency at the end of the season. Thus far, they haven't found an everyday, long-term possibility. And they have no sure projection picking 30th in Thursday's draft.
So...if it turns out Ortiz is done for the year, do the Rangers talk to Boston about a Milton Bradley/Taylor Teagarden package? Boston has had interest in Jarrod Saltalamacchia in the past, but they put a premium on catching defense, which would seem to make Teagarden a better fit for them. And Bradley fits perfectly with their offensive scheme.
Something to think about...
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Bradley/Teagarden
So those would be the Rangers two biggest trade chips right there – would Lester be sufficient to get those guys or will JD hold out for Bucholtz?
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No
I’d want more than Lester. As hot a name as he is right now, and as much as the Rangers need young pitching, Bradley is one of the best hitters in baseball right now, and Teagarden a solid catching prospect nearly ready. I’m terrible at gaging trade value, but I’d want more than Lester.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
given lesters minor league numbers
I think it would be too much.
But given boston’s reluctance to trade him for santana and his recent run of success, it probably wouldnt be enough.
Who was that second level (to bucholz anyway) prospect we were talking about in the salty to boston thread…. hed need to be involved in some deal.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is
do you boost our offer to get a Bucholtz? Tea+Bradley+ someone like Feliz for Bucholtz and someone like Bard?
If you don’t like Lester, I think the only way you get more value is to sweeten the deal for Boston.
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucholz isn't going anywhere
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then
TT and MB aren’t going anywhere.
Its that simple.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OKAY!
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Buchholz
(however you spell his name – apparently there are 2 h’s)
is probably more likely to be traded by Boston than Lester is (fan wise, they can never trade Lester now). But they’d have to be overwhelmed. As I said below, they weren’t going to trade him for one year of Santana or 1.5 of Teixeira, so Bradley and Tea isn’t going to do it. But a different type of trade – getting nearly a Teixeira type return for someone who is still essentially a prospect – would be a different story altogether.
I think Boston thinks about it if you offer a Teagarden, Andrus, and Bradley package for Bucholtz. I don’t know if I make that deal if I am JD though unless you get someone else. The failure rate for guys like Buchholz is still too high to risk your 3 biggest trade chips
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you cant compare the two scenarios
They weren’t going to trade him for Santana at the beginning of the season. When all teams were 0-0. Boston was the heavy favorite to win the division as it was.
Now they are behind Tampa Bay, their offense could see a dramatic reduction in scoring, and they have other young pitchers. Bucholtz(sp?) becomes tradeable especially if what you get back fills those needs. Bradley fills their offensive need and Teagarden fills their long term catching need. You damn sure don’t trade 3 ML or near ML ready players for him
by bigsteve on Jun 3, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it'd be really nice
But Theo Epstein is too smart to make a panic move because the Red Sox may lose the East to a good Tampa team. Even if they lose, they’ll be the most likely wild card.
Also, they aren’t losing the East to an old Yankees team – they are losing it to a very young, very talented Tampa team who promises to be on top for years to come. The future value of players is of critical importance to Boston right now, and Bradley has very little as a future FA. They want Buchholz and Lester both fronting that rotation in 2009-2013 against Kazmir and Shields
Trading Buchholz for MB and TT makes them a little better this year (they are still losing a pitcher from their rotation), and arguably worse long term (TT for Buchholz? – better deal for Texas). That alone isn’t going to do it.
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden going to the city of the Tea Party?
Oh, the headline writers for the Boston Globe are excited about that possibility.
by northtexan95 on Jun 3, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we
are trading TT and MB, we better be getting something damn good in return.
I mean DAMN good.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do We Ask for a Pitcher
If so, who? To get a Lester, we would have to give up more than Bradley and Teagarden.
by FuturePants on Jun 3, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your underrating....
TT is a premiere catching prospect.
MB is having a GREAT year.
I want Buchholz.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I do too. Not going to happen for those two guys. It’s not that I’m underrating TT, but MB is volatile and would be a 1/2 season rental. While that is what Boston may need, don’t expect them to give up a lot of years of a young promising guy for 2 months of BoardGame.
by FuturePants on Jun 3, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Michael Bowden
actually, I think Bowden for Bradley/Laird or teagarden might be a heck of a deal
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, bowden
thats who i meant.
although given that bradley comes with 2 draft picks, both bradley and teagarden seems like way too much.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until Taylor
can play everyday and play well, I doubt many teams would be that interested in him.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Salty and MB
for Buchholz.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We would
be giving them the best catching prospect in the league and a RF who is having a all star season…
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which means
we better get a whole hell of a lot more for those two than one pitcher
by bigsteve on Jun 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden
having another nice season for AA Portland.
Bradley for Bowden vis-a-vis?
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Bradley is going to net either us or whoever we trade him to 2 first round draft picks. If we trade him it will be to a team that is in need of a hitter so that makes his price go up. Bowden would be a start but there would have to be other players thrown in for me to consider trading him.
by bigsteve on Jun 3, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is on a 1 year deal
considering what we got for Gagne, and the….fragility of Bradley in the past, I’d think a 1 on 1 for Bowden is more than reasonable.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
BA HR RBI OBP SLG
.317 9 34 .425 .552
Those stats are worth a lot.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when it comes with
the injury history, limited flexibility and general wonkiness that is Milton Bradley
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but putting up those stats nearly guarantees the 2 draft picks
and he has been very consistent this season.
bowden is not a top 20 cant miss super prospect.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is this limited flexibility
Bradley when he is healthy is a very good corner OF and avg. to above avg. CenterF. and he isn’t far from being healthy
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
need
Boston is in a position where they are in need of something. We have that. Simple supply and demand. Yes under normal circumstances just a trade for the sake of trading Bradley for Bowden straight up would work. It probably wouldn’t be enough for Bowden actually. But when you add in Boston needing a bat with Ortiz out, Bradley being red hot and injury free so far, and Bradley being worth 2 first round draft picks after this year it jacks up his price alot. Bowden would be a start like I said but then you would have to add in a guy like an Engel Beltre who is a ways off but has uberpotential.
by bigsteve on Jun 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
undervaluing picks
ok so those 2 picks have the decent possibility of netting you 2 of the hurley and main type HS kids. history has shown that those HS pitchers are around in the area we would have 2 picks for bradley.
then you add Teagarden who i think we will end up moving at some point, but is viewed as a premium catching prospect to a deal.
that deal should net at least what we got for gagne (type a fa) plus the value of teagarden.
thats what the value is set at.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 3, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
The problem is that while 2 first round picks can bring you Hurley and Main, they can also bring you Colby Lewis and Scott Heard. Draft picks are high risk – especially in the area of the supplementals. You cant look only at the best case scenarios for setting their value.
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
but there was a point when you coulda traded colby lewis and landed a real badass, a teams gotta know when to fish or cut bait.
besides, didnt the rangers edison volquez him, where they brought him up like 1.5 seasons too early and he wasnt near ready?
in case any1 hasnt checked, the rangers have done real well a drafting pitchers in the sandwich round and ill take us making picks over one guy. even if it was only to trade those kinda pitchers later.
hunter
main
hurley
those are the kinda guys we’ve been getting in sandwich rounds over the last few drafts and so thats about what the value at the least of bradley is. fine you want bradley and TT? its gotta be 2 first round quality guys and at least another guy of equal value to TT to make a deal worth even looking at for the rangers
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 3, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do that
once we knew that this Rangers team isn’t going to get well enough over 500 to compete.
I think if JD can flip Bradley for any B+/A- type pitching prospect, he’s done a great job – I’d guess Bowden would come in as a B+ with his good start this year. As for draft picks, the odds that either a ~20 and ~40 pick become a Bowden are far fetched…
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wietters
I thought he was considered the best catching prospect at the moment.
by JayK on Jun 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wietters
has a Jeff Clement chance of staying at Catcher
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
good arm, big body. I doubt he stays behind the dish.
But whatever, semantics
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huge body
but scouts have mentioned the name of Charles Johnson when describing his abilities behind the plate. He has a laser arm, plus leadership skills and the ability to call good games. He looks like the total package behind the plate.
Are you concerned about his knees holding up? 6’5’’ 235 is quite a load.
by jparks77 on Jun 3, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I have the same problem with him as I do with Salty. I think the large size + the lack of quickness makes it difficult to stay at C.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
I can relate to his size causing him problems down the line at the position. But he just seems to be really well thought of, just in terms of talent. He moves well for his height, and his +’s just outweight his -’s defensively
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston would jumb all over that
I would not.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's playing every day now
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 3, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious:
How do you feel about Bowden?
I almost feel that’s not enough.
by brettgardner on Jun 3, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right
bradley is worth more than the value of the 2 picks we would net, its the only way the rangers would have any interest in trading him. then tack on the value of TT and thats a huge offer. i dunno if its even close.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 3, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB and TT
We better get a hell of a package back for those two. One of their young already in the majors pitchers plus at least one if not two lower level prospects. We are in the position of leverage here. They are the ones who would be needing a bat to replace Ortiz and needing a young catcher. As much as we need pitching their need far outweighs ours and thus we should be able to get alot out of Epstein.
by bigsteve on Jun 3, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boston
As with most all contenders, they probably don’t have high-level pitching to give. They need that pitching for their own pennant race. Of course, the Rosenthal notes from before talk about Schilling coming back soon.
All that said, Lester would be questionable PR move after his no-hitter and bout with cancer. I think he’s close to a career Red Sox.
Maybe Bowden, though. I seem to remember reading JD passed on him in a previous deal.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 3, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Bowden
or Gabbard and Beltre for Gagne
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case
Then it would seem he just wanted a guy ready to contribute.
Unless I misunderstood, and you’re saying option (1) Bowden or (2) Gabbard and Beltre, in which case I think I understand, and I’m not sure I’d call it “passing” on the guy.
by brettgardner on Jun 3, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I think that was the scenario. I think it was a combination of getting a guy ready to produce and the fact that we really liked Engel Beltre.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I understood it
It was murph, beltre, and pick one of gabbard or bowden.
Are you sure that wasn’t it?
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
Gabbard and Beltre were door #1 and Bowden was #2
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
door #2 please
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im very impatient.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2008/266213.html
Team: low Class A Clinton (Midwest)
Age: 18
Why He’s Here: .407/.407/.630, 11-for-27, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 4 R, 0 BB, 2 SO, 0-for-1 SB
The Scoop: While the Eric Gagne trade may have proved to be a waste of time for the Red Sox last year, the biggest prize to come out of it on the Rangers side could well be Beltre. This season, Beltre is the youngest player in the Midwest League, but he’s held his own to the tune of a .272/.298/.406 line for the year. He’s been a key contributer to the MWL’s best team in Clinton, batting leadoff and playing center field every day. He ranks fourth in the league in both hits and runs scored and is second in triples. Right now, he’s on a six-game hitting-streak and is also working on a streak of four straight multi-hit games.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong again
I’ll bet on it if you want.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a few year
I’m sure you won’t be here anymore Miles
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe...
we could package gabbard w/ MB and that would be of interest to boston…
:)
by sam in so cal on Jun 3, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tea + Bradley
Teagarden is a top catching prospect. And Bradley is having an outstanding season AND he could be a Type A free agent this winter, which means he’s also worth a pair of high draft picks.
Lester or Bucholz alone will not be enough for me.
by chrisR on Jun 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
simmer down Z
you don’t need to respond to posts like this
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know how good Bucholtz is?
Boston isn’t going to trade him for Hamilton, much less Bradley and a minor league catcher. Remember, they didn’t want to include him in a trade for Teixeira or Johan Santana – Bradley isn’t going to get them to change their minds
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lars Anderson is another name i wouldnt mind adding in there. Or Jed Lowrie
Bowden and Anderson and a low level high end guy for Bradley and TT
Catcher and Dh for Bos, 1b prospect, middle of the rotation potential pitcher and JD’s standard high ceiling high risk throw in
by laxtonto on Jun 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
what are the odds they just sign Bonds?
by ksf42001 on Jun 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not a chance in hell
there is absolutely no way Boston and their fans will sign Bonds.
by bigsteve on Jun 3, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your going
to eat your words like Mike Greenberg eats his microphone.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes relative sense
Fenway’s going to sell out regardless while they keep winning and their fans will keep buying the merchandise. The only problem is the Boston media, which can be suffocating for players. But Bonds doesn’t ever care about the media; he seems to almost hate them, so it might not bother him.
JD drinks the Angels milkshake.
by WyoRanger on Jun 3, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Bonds
Someone posted on the Sabernomics blog this morning that Bill James predicted a big decline for Bonds this year, and that it seemed likely he might counsel against signing him for that reason. I think the most likely scenario is Boston does nothing for a month or so, then looks at active players as targets if needed. They have more outfield depth than most teams.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What was James' Prediction
on JD Drew? I doubt he said to sign him for that monster contract. Don’t count on the team to solely rely on Bill James’ opinions.
by FuturePants on Jun 3, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another AL East team
that’d make a whole heck of a lot of sense would be the Blue Jays.
Not only do they have pitching to spare, but they seem to have an aversion to playing a young guy in Adam Lind.
Would you do Lind for a catcher or Lind for Bradley?
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only
pitcher they will trade is AJ burnett, and they want a very good offensive player in return.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would do bradley for AJ
althought to me AJ is just another Millwood, good when he’s healthy, but the key word there is WHEN
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he
is a free agent after this year.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think so
I thought he had like 2 or 3 more years left I could be wrong
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
he has options, Idk.
I thought SI was talking something about it.
But I would probably do that trade as well…
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
player option
I doubt he exercises it
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPT out clause
Burnett has an opt out clause after this year. He will excecise it 100%, even if he misses the rest of the year. The money these mediocre pitchers are making is too tempting for a guy with ace potential, granted that potential has not been converted for the last 10 years.
by Baseball North on Jun 3, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 3, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston Trade vs. Yankee Trade
I know people maybe more inclined to talk about a potential trade to the sox, now that ortiz is going to be out for quite a while, but wouldn’t it be smarter to consider a trade with the yankees? With their current catching woes, and overall offensive woes, a trade with the Yankees would likely net greater premium prospects and players overall. At this point in Hughes’s relationship with the Yankees, he may be available via trade.
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jun 3, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Posada's coming back soon
they won’t need a catcher so much when that happens.
by Inkara1 on Jun 3, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posada
Consdiering his age, at what level is Posada going to come back? And even though he signed that extension, is he a reliable catcher for the Yankees in the future?
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jun 3, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reliable or no
even the yankees wont just burn that money unless they have to. they arnt at that point yet.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say call Kansas City
See what the asking price is for Greinke. Trade Bradley to Boston to get the type of players they are looking for, add in one or two of our prospects and got get a quality SP who can produce now and for years to come.
by Bigfan16 on Jun 3, 2008 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's your link
Ken Rosenthal said that the Royals may make Zack Greinke available and would be looking for positions players at the upper levels. Given the fact that’s the Rangers’ strong suit, what would it take to get him?
—Cameron P., Wylie, Texas
At least two of these three: Davis, Elvus Andrus and/or Max Ramirez. Still interested?
Hell Yeah im still interested. I would trade Elvus and MaxRam for Zack Greinke. A guy with Ace potential for a shortstop who is in all likelihood probably not going to hit that much better than average and MaxRam who would be blocked by Chris Davis, Taylor Teagarden and/or Salty. Trading Andrus and MaxRam is not going to deplete our farm system, but it would significantly help the major league club with Greinke.
here’s the link
by Bigfan16 on Jun 3, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we think MaxRam is the odd man out of the C prospect trio (including Salt in this),
then we need to move him and include Andrus….. as much as I hate to do it. This team needs a couple of razor-sharp, ace-potential young pitchers. We don’t know that we have that with anybody, including Beavin, Harrison, Hurley, et al. You can never get too much good pitching.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 3, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it necessary
to include Andrus in a deal involving Ramirez? There are plenty of other prospects to offer, and the Rangers need SS.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arias is likely not enticing enough to them,
although that would be the starting point of negotiations. It’d likely take Andrus and this team needs pitching so damn badly that I’d probably do it.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 3, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
why does it have to be a SS at all?
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Greinke...
You have to offer Max, Andrus and another top prospect to get the conversation going.
He is 24 years old with an ERA of 2
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i think that right now talking about
trading for Grienke is stupid.
he’s a great young pitcher who would endear himself to the fans but his asking
touchdown... touchdown... and st.micheals takes the lead.
by kmacsm on Jun 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder what hochevars price is at
after his up and down professional start.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huley > Hochevar
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably going down
from what ive read of him in the BA his price seems to be dropping… but also he would be a risky proposition for anyone to pick him up
touchdown... touchdown... and st.micheals takes the lead.
by kmacsm on Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kinda skeptical...
To me, it just seems like that package is going to kick our ass down the road at some point, no matter who we get back. I kinda envision Teagarden as a Pudge-esque player in a few years, so I don’t want to trade him anywhere. I’d rather throw in Gerald and see what we can get out of them at that point. Would they even talk about Lester for those two? Or would we have to look elsewhere with that package? I just want to get rid of Laird, not Salty or Teagarden yet.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
Your just a UT fan!
Thats why you like TT so much. :)
But I agree, TT will be something special.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You caught me...
Haha. No I really do think the kid is going to be great. I saw him play in AA his 2nd game and he looked fantastic. Not to mention all those wonderful UT games… lol.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 3, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
so pumped when he dropped to the 3rd round to us in that draft.
Talk about a steal.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
+1
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 3, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden as Pudge-esque
The problem with that is that Tea is OLD. He’ll probably be 26 by the time he hits the majors. Pudge was 19!!!!
I say trade Tea now if you get a good deal. His value is very high as a defensive catcher who has some bat, but I cannot see him becoming an allstar. His “prime” is 2-3 years away, and he’ll only be a sophomore in the bigs. That works for Hamilton, but I doubt it will for most guys.
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we continuely overrate the sox
and yanks pitching prospects. Again, in the last 10-15 years, how many solid pitchers have these teams drafted, developed, produced?
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hate when people say this
What does the past have to do with anything? Each player is different in their own right and should never be grouped with others.
It’s like saying if you flip a coin 4 times and it came heads 4 times. Your analogy means it has to be tails next turn because of the odds. Well that 5th coin still has a 50/50 chance and the odds are not higher to be tails.
Boston and Yankees do have over-hyped prospects but you don’t trade for them for that very reason. You trade for them because YOUR TEAM talent evaluators say to do so.
by Coolbean04 on Jun 3, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with that
but, i just continuously see how these teams prospects are overrated, and then ours and other teams seem to be grossly underrated. Seriously, MB AND Salty for Bowden? Come on.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a horrible trade
Why do you pick one persons horrible offer to base it as everyone’s opinion?
by Coolbean04 on Jun 3, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually it was laird or tea
but still same reaction. It’s just not that. It’s been like for a while now.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really
Bradley is on a 1 year deal with a history of problems. I wonder how much value he actually has.
Laird, so far, as generated very little interest. The trade is just something that was thrown out there
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy has a .425 obp
if he doesnt have value to even remotely reflect what hes doing, you are better off keeping him, taking the producting and the draft picks.
a lot better than treating him as a throw in.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
production*
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on Jun 3, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone
here is underrating MB, he will draw prime interest.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will draw prime interest alright
But he won’t get as much in return as you think he will get
by Telegraph on Jun 3, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, a team is going to have
to beat 2 1st rounders.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
You might get 1 legitimate prospect somewhere around the AA level and an assortment of other stuff (maybe a bullpen arm), but I don’t believe he will bring back 2 B level prospects or better. We are getting a bit too spoiled from the Tex trade last year.
The Carlos Lee trade may be a reasonable comparison
by Telegraph on Jun 3, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we got Max Ramirez for Lofton last year
MB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lofton
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time
Max Ramirez is not the kind of prospect he is at this point
by Telegraph on Jun 3, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sure?
he has been mashing the ball since he was 19. I know Sickels for one really liked him.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
1) He is inadequate defensively
2) He was old for A ball
3) He was thought to be a mistake hitter by some, and his patience mainly derived from being able to recognize really bad pitches. Some thought he would not have the same type of ability when facing pitchers who have good stuff AND be able to locate reasonably well.
by Telegraph on Jun 3, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The power has really come on
since the trade. Coaches also claim a lot of defensive progress. Still though, I think he was pretty badly underrated back then. He could clearly hit.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much of that coach talk
do think is posturing?
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah good question
I mean the Frisco guys were going on about how he wasn’t really improving when he was splitting time with Teagarden but then when he caught every day he was improving quickly. That just seems like a real stretch to think that a guy who’s been catching for three years suddenly got way better after a few weeks.
Even last year, when they talked about how he was night and day from the previous season, I mean you certainly hope for improvement, but it’s not like he’s great now, and he had to be good enough back in 2005 to make the experiment take legs.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sullivan
had an article last week about him, and they said basically the same thing. He’s improved a lot, but he still needs improvement in every area of catching. I just wondered if they’re talking him up a bit for trade value. If he’s a viable catcher he brings more back, obviously.
There’s more and more talk about the organization stressing defense, it just seems like he’s the least likely to be kept around of the top 4 catchers.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are talking about what
Mill. got for Carlos Lee, because I would be willing to give up Bradley for a guy that is thought of like N.Cruz was back then, and then have them throw in a mid level pitching prospect.
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hells to the no
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone water this guy
His leaves are wilting…
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
does Roger Clemens count? or andy pettite? or how bout Wang? Mariano Rivera has been pretty good. and pappelbon and lester are still young but are pretty good, not to mention Dice-K I know he was signed but they had to scout him well to know what his value would be. and thats just a few I am sure if I wanted to I could find 10 or so more
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You laugh
but the funny thing is that you’re blind to how stupid your reasoning is.
by Coolbean04 on Jun 3, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The media does overhype prospects like Phillip Hughes. They made him out to be the greatest pitcher ever..
Even Ian Kennedy and Joba.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes
looked pretty f’n good when I saw him pitch a 6 or 7 inning no-no at the ballpark last year until he got hurt
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying
he is bad, he is a great prospect..
But was he the best pitching prospect in baseball? No.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I think he was at one time
a 21 year old breaking into the bigs with the start he had
by bigsteve on Jun 3, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
what the hell your laughing at maybe you just cant admit when your wrong, although we probably have more pitchers that we’ve traded away that are succesful then those two teams do.
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
am i missing you asked for players they have developed themselve’s and I gave you some sure Clemens was a little more than 15 years ago but the rest of those guys fit, unless i am missing something.
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, clemens was before that, waay before that
wang wasn’t drafted, but that’s just a technicality. As far as starters go, i don’t remember much of what they have had over the years. I dunno, maybe they have had some solid ones, just can’t recall. Petittie is one. Even though steroids could be brought into discussion here.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox and Yanks
have drafted, developed and produced a lot more good pitchers than the Rangers ever have…
by JBImaknee on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually have no idea
last 15 yrs, who? Let’s stick with the starters.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
What about Cat to the Sox? Its not going to be the blockbuster type of deal that Bradley/Teagarden could be, but if the Sox want another bat to help out while Ortiz is gone, Cat could be the cheaper answer.
by Gdawg on Jun 3, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What would
that get us in return?
A David Ortiz shirt jersey?
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shirt jersey
...classic…
I was looking for some action, but all I found were cigarettes and alcohol.
by Escher on Jun 3, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM
can you give us your thoughts on what kind of pitcher we would expect back from such a package? Lester, Buck, Masterson? Rank them if you can…
by Agreen07 on Jun 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to be the voice of reason...
But as much as I like Taylor, he’s a catcher coming back from injury problems who hasn’t been in AAA for a month. I don’t suspect his value is that high.
I must have missed where Bradley signed this great multi-year deal, because all I see is a player with a history of instability on a 1 year deal and still not completely healthy. And please don’t give me this garbage about compensation picks….the odds are against those ever panning out. If we want him (which I question), we just have to wait until the off-season and throw a bunch of money at him.
Despite the Gagne melee, the Red Sox aren’t that stupid. Clay, Jon and Jed are going no where!
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jun 3, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops!
Make that Clay, Jon, Justin and Jed!
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jun 3, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Bradley’s history with injuries and tantrums mitigates his value somewhat, as does his contract status. He’s a rental with risk, so the Rangers would need to throw in something juicy. Teagarden, though, I think you might be underestimating. His defense alone is worth quite a bit, he might immediately be one of the better defensive catchers in the game when he comes up. His plate discipline also fits in well with the BoSox. They might have to throw in another young prospect, but Tea will be tempting for most any team.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
okay, we’re going to trade bradley and then something juicy and another young prospect to a WS contender for who exactly?
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point
Bradley by himself has limited value due to his history. He’d bring back a good prospect, but not one of Boston’s better pitchers. Bradley plus Teagarden (who I think is quite juicy) might get you there. This is all useless speculation, though. As I’ve said a couple of times today, I don’t think Boston will do anything unless Ortiz is out for the season. Unlike Texas, they have offense and pitching, their defense doesn’t completely suck ( and would get better if they DH’d Ramirez), and they have quality depth in Crisp and Moss. They don’t have to do anything.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor
I’m actually pretty high on him (despite how my post may have sounded) but I don’t think he (or he and Bradley) are enough to get some of our more elite pitching prospects. You are basically saying the same thing though so it sounds like we agree.
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jun 3, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
you’re saying that a 1st round pick and a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd isn’t worth much? I guess your right the odds of a player drafted in the 1st round panning out is about what 50% but when you get two of them Idk, I think that is worth something.
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
I don’t think its that much compared to a young possibly elite pitcher who is performing well at the major league or at least AAA level (i.e. Lester, Clay etc.) People keep saying that Bradley is this great hitter that we’ll have for half a year and then if he leaves we get 2 draft picks in compensation. What I am saying is that I’d rather have Jon or Clay, no compensatory picks (which may or may not pan out), and the chance to grab Bradley in the off-season if we so desire.
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jun 3, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow....
All these compliments may go to my head!
You know, I think this is the first time anyone has EVER complimented my thought process on this board…
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jun 3, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent take maybe...
but from a dirty, dirty Red Sox fan, ugh
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
well i think thats what i said a lil higher, i am definately cool with trading Bradley, but just want everyone to remember the way he is playing we aren’t going to lose him for nothing if we dont trade or resign him. I just think we have to make sure what ever we get for him has to be worth at least 2 first round picks. Which means trading him for a mid-level AA prospect wouldn’t be worth it, unless he has superstar potential.
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FirebatM3...
“I’m pretty sure Gabbard and Beltre were door #1 and Bowden was #2”
Where did you hear that?
by Jamey Newberg on Jun 3, 2008 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Boston papers
was it something different?
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston prospects that have shown on Baseball America's prospect list this year
AAA Jed Lowrie SS (Top 10 in BA Boston list)
AAA Brandon Moss 1B/DH
AAA Bubba Bell CF
AAA Chris Carter LF/1B
AA Mark Wagner C
Hi-A Josh Reddick RF (Top 10 in BA Boston list)
Hi-A Jon Still C/1B/DH
Hi-A Lars Anderson 1B (Top 10 in BA Boston list)
Hi-A Jason Place CF
Lo-A Che-Hsuan CF (Top 10 in BA Boston list)
Lo-A Oscar Tejeda SS (Top 10 in BA Boston list)
Lo-A Ryan Lakish CF (Top 10 in BA Boston list)
Lo-A Michael Jones 1B
AAA Justin Masterson RHP (Top 10 BA Boston list)
AAA Charlie Zink RHP
AAA Craig Hansen RHP
AA Michael Bowden RHP (Top 10 BA Boston list)
AA Kris Johnson LHP
AA Dustin Richardson RHP
AA Daniel Haigwood LHP
AA Daniel Bard RHP
Hi-A Felix Doubront LHP
Lo-A Nick Hagadone LHP
Not sure who the package would be built around, but a rent-a-bat+two-picks and a top-rated catching prospect should bring back some high-upside talent like Bowden or Lars. I can see a couple of throw-ins that might be interesting… Felix Doubront is a 20-yo LHP doing nice things in the Sally league. If the Rangers got Daniel Bard thrown in, maybe the Rangers could stop thinking about Cashner.
by rooster on Jun 3, 2008 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Craig Hansen
he was pretty highly touted the last two years, what has happened to him has he been hurt or just sucked?
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little of both
The most interesting thing (which I mentioned before, but bears repeating) is that Boras’s people retooled his delivery to reduce the stress and risk of injury, which has then made him ineffective. Gammons mentioned how the organization is pretty irritated about it.
JD drinks the Angels milkshake.
by WyoRanger on Jun 3, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't ever want to hear anyone on this site
bitch about how the national media focuses on the Yankees and Red Sox.
This is like the 9th Diary/Post about “Could we possibly do a trade with the Red Sox”.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All I know is
I can live with them dealing Saltalamacchia away if they’re right about one of these other guys, but it would make me sick if they dealt hi to Boston.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What!?
Why? Don’t you know how great all the prospects are up in Boston and New York!? I mean, the Yankees almost deigned to deal us Alan Horne for Tex last year. Alan Freaking Horne!
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ESPN did say he was a top prospect.
something about mussina-esque.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course that's just
Buster Olney transcribing whatever the Yankees would like for him to write.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though
Just imagine if he pans out and we have to listen to how he’s Varitek junior and how wonderful he is in every way, just a winner, etc., etc. It’s worse to trade a good player to Boston than even NY. And somehow you know we’d get screwed.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Jamey Newberg said he likes Hicks a lot as the Rangers pick, so that could make sense.
Was Sickels talking about Schlereth going 10th overall? Is that really a rumor? I hadn’t heard anything about that. I like Schlereth, as I like his mechanics quite a bit, but 10th overall? The Astros are dumb at the draft.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamey on the draft
does he have an NMLR on this? Or was he just saying this in the comments somewhere?
Also, AJM, the podcast up yet?
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a comment
here.
Obviously it’s pretty brief, but he seems to like Hicks.
I would be pretty stoked with Hicks, cause he’s obviously got a ton of talent, and if our scouts like him that much then they must think he’s got the baseball skills to turn that talent into production, which means he could be special.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hicks
Lots of tools on both sides of his game (RHP/OF) but whether those tools translate to actual skills is the real question. It scares me when teams fall in love with the toolsy draft flavor of the week. Not discrediting the potential of a guy like Hicks. I think he has tremendous upside as a pitcher or an OF. Just concerned about drafting with our dick.
by jparks77 on Jun 3, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, me too
But I trust our current scouting staff quite a bit. They don’t seem to be the types who love tools-only types, so if we took Hicks I’d take that as indication they really liked his bat. I know that seems very ditto-head, but they see these guys so much more than we do you kind of just have to trust that they see something significant in him if they pick him #11 overall.
Basically as long as we don’t play it safe and go for a big bag of mediocrity like Friedrich/Shunt or a reliever like Fields/Cashner, I’ll be fine with whoever we pick.
I want ceiling, damnit!
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Regardless of the concern I have about drafting toolsy high ceiling guys with field translation questions, I’d much rather aim high at #11 than draft a safe college arm without a high ceiling.
I’m still emotional hard over RHP Ethan Martin. The more I study his scouting reports, the more I like his upside. I think he can be special.
by jparks77 on Jun 3, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you see this story
about Ethan Martin and his brother?
by clark on Jun 3, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou Brown
would say that he likes that type of fire in a player.
by jparks77 on Jun 3, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest Baseball Movie Ever
and I will accept no arguments on the subject.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Bull Durham could have been a contender but way too much Susan Sarandon and not nearly enough in game action.
by jparks77 on Jun 3, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That one speech kills it for me
you know the speech I’m talking about.
I just can’t take any of that movie seriously because of that damn stupid speech.
Even if you could go back and do a “Dirkatron’s Cut” of that movie, I’d still put Major League in first place by a pretty healthy margin.
But dear god… that speech!
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The speech is the suck
For me, Major League was #1 the second Harry Doyle opened his sweet mouth.
by jparks77 on Jun 3, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Mouth?
That’s prison talk, Jason.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 4, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
That sounds like the sort of nefarious shit me and my idiot friends would’ve cooked up back in high school.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't some here
trying to implement the same for the ump in a recent Rangers game?
Classic!
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 3, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe all of the talk about hard-throwing college relievers at the top of the draft.
It’s insane.
I haven’t paid much attention to Hicks, but he definitely profiles as the type of player the Rangers have targeted in trades and in the draft: up-the-middle, high potential, some level of baseball aptitude, and aggressiveness.
by rooster on Jun 3, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what you get
when you have a class so weak on arms.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 3, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
check out sickels reply to me in the comments. I can’t believe Astros are thinking Schlereth there.
by Longhorn on Jun 3, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texas will probably need something like that
for one of the top players to fall to them (as well as Washington or someone else reaching themselves), so I’m definitely rooting for Houston to sell themselves on him or Hunt or someone like that.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JOSH HAMILTON
is fixing to be on Rome on the four letter network so check it out
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the heads up
pho-nom-i-nal as Rome would say it
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no prob
where is our JuanDom update?
by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the next
few days.
Because he has a very important showcase tomorrow with a very important team.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really
I would have assumed that the showcase would be with a meaningless, piece of crap team.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quality of team = quality of trash-talking, non-prognosticating, spoiled-whitebread HP mouthpiece
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disclaimer: that was not a personal attack on anyone
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just not sure these teams match up...
Ortiz would have to be out for 2 or 3 months and the BoSox would have to be willing to deal Buchholz or Lester. I don’t think they will be willing to deal either of those guys.
I would also talk to them first about a Laird/Bradley package rather than TT/Bradley. That would allow Salty to catch everyday and Laird is the kind of catcher the BoSox like with great D and he is MLB ready, TT imo isn’t (with the bat).
The Rangers better get one hell of a deal for TT/Bradley or Laird/Bradley. Bradley is one of those guys like Millwood and Padilla that I think you have to keep unless a team really knocks you over with a great offer. He will be bringing in 2 draft picks so any deal for him and another guy better include 3 quality prospects or one stud like Buchholz/Lester.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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