OT: American political first
by Brian Thomas on Jun 3, 2008 9:37 PM CDT
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Regardless of your political viewpoints, you should be proud to be an American today.
We are the first country in the western world to have a person of color on the ballot for highest political office. Ever. Look it up.
Fujimori, a Japanese-Peruvian, is the only possible exception. But I think, since the slavery factor is removed, we can all agree this is a singular event.
So we can parse words, but the larger point, that the country of 300 years of slavery, and Jim Crow, and lynchings, and separate drinking fountains and lunch counters, and get your ass to the back of the bus, and all the myriad other bullshit that persons of color have had to endure, has made a quantum leap forward, at least in the electoral process.
And that is obviously a good thing; praise America.
I don't mean for this to launch any kind of political food fight. Obviously, Adam will delete it if he thinks it is inappropriate.
40 years ago MLK was slain.
Today, a man of color has a 50% chance to be leader of the free world in 8 months.
Think on that.
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"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 3, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barack's wife isn't
"Seems like you look at his espn stats and watch his espn highlights." - miles
"All I really have to do is look at his stats" - miles
by DaheelzCM on Jun 3, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you honestly think
she really feels that way? Just a bad choice of words, seems to me. That is just as ridiculous as saying McCain wants troops in Iraq for 100 years.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been meaning to ask you...
what’s your favorite Lennon (w/ the Beatles) song? Sort of a hijack, but this is just as good of a place for it as any.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jun 3, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It changes from day to day
Some faves:
I love the production of Dear Prudence, a simple song that evolves into nearly an anthem.
Ditto with Tomorrow Never Knows, just a great sound concept
A Day in the Life – sense a theme here? That band rocked at taking a song from sketchy to amazing in the studio.
Strawberry Fields has to be one of the best songs ever written, even before the production value
Revolution, the fast one
I’m So Tired (which my sig is from)
Yer Blues, nice simple screamer
There’s a Place – early song, read the lyrics, some nice double meanings and profundity mixed in the pop, especially considering it’s from early 1963.
If you’re a big fan you should consider reading Geoff Emerick’s “Here, There, and Everywhere”. Really cool details on how they recorded a lot of stuff from their most prominent engineer.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the recommendation
my girlfriend is the real Beatles freak, but I have just about every album on my iPod now, so I’m pretty familiar and have a lot of favs. I’ll see if she’s ever heard of that, and look into it. She has all of the anthology stuff.
Yer Blues is definitely my favorite John song.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jun 4, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check this out
from the unreleased Stones Rock and Roll Circus. Lennon doing Yer with Clapton, Keith Richards, and Mitch Mitchell (from Hendrix Experience).
YXmDs” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEXYXmDs
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, crap
something wrong with the link. Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLaivdQl9n8
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey t ball
I popped in Disc 1 of the Anthology the other day, and I finally realized what song I was thinking of in our earlier discussion (if you remember):
In Spite of All the Danger.
by brettgardner on Jun 4, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa
you name some songs that aren’t exactly lennon. or, are you just saying songs sung by lennon?
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wrote every one of those
though Paul, Geoff Emerick, Martin all made major contributions to their finished states.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe less really isn't more
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Frederick Douglass was “on the ballot”, I suppose, in 1872, albeit as VP.
by brettgardner on Jun 3, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice catch...
but yeah it was VP.
Still, that may have been even bigger than Obama today considering the time period.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
Since it was a woman at the top.
by brettgardner on Jun 4, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Victoria Woodhull
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
because of voter disenfranchisement. that’s real great. good job. hope hope hope. we’re the greatest nation in the world, we need to change it. Personally, I love clinging to my guns and religion. Obama “Marxism in 2008!” Yippee! I can’t stand the corrupt nature of the Democrat party. I can’t stand Barack.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 3, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
on the disenfranchisement.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Jun 3, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, but, but
What about Duncan Hunter.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's
an honest politician, of course he couldn’t win.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 3, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest politician?
Is that sarcasm or plain ignorance?
by cmkelly29 on Jun 3, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it
is the truth if that is what you are asking. Duncan Hunter is a beast, perhaps the only honest semi big time politician. He CAN’T win BECAUSE he’s honest.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 3, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that case
there isn’t an honest human, which is true. But Duncan Hunter IS an honest politician. Or let me rephrase that, he could get along with his average constituent just as though they were old friends. You ask me how I know? Well, I do.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that
nuanced, evenhanded opinion.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 3, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
listen, little boy
you are the only person that did that. how about you sit this one out and let the grown folks talk about history since you have no concept of it
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 3, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
in there offended you so? please do tell. I obviously hit a nerve somewhere, tell me what it was, oh person who is elite to me.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 3, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm at least older
you should respect that sometimes
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
show me where
I disrespected you before you called me little boy.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no such thing as disenfranchisement
in the primary process; the parties can do whatever they want
and what’s the deal with right wingers calling it the “democrat party”? where did that come from? is there a purpose behind it? just lazy?
by tangiers on Jun 4, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to those stalwarts of
honesty and nobility, the republicans. You can hardly find a more corrupt group than the Republican party.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
corrupt Democrats, with secret agendas.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(cough) Iran-Contra (cough)
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious...
not sure he was even alive then and knows what that is though.
Gotta wonder about all the love Reagan gets now that he’s dead.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I resent that
Reagan has always been king of the Republican party.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you
weren’t born yet when he was president.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His statement makes no sense
“Always” king. Whatever. You know what’s king of the GOP? Cash. Cash is king.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stereotype
cliche
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And anonymous BJs
in restroom stalls.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when your not sucking off pages and interns
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what?
In that case, I should never speak of baseball players that were around when I wasn’t alive.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rest my case
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An appropriate King he is, too
considering he ran on the deficit – than ran it up way higher than he jibed Carter for. The Republican party has not been “conservative” since the 60’s.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spinning
intel to get into a war isn’t corrupt?
Running kickbacks to defense contractors isn’t corrupt?
Building bridges to nowhere for make work jobs isn’t corrupt?
Creating Camps that aren’t prison camps, and aren’t prisoner of war camps, (because those have rules), isn’t corrupt?
Legalizing torture isn’t corrupt?
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a serious question
It’s a simple question. Ready? What are the chances that the dstar442005 from LSB is the same as the dstar442005 from YouTube?
Because…you know…if he is, then….BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 4, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are the same
and he’s actually proud of it
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm speechless
So you’re telling me that the kid who had such gems as “I love clinging to my guns and religion.” and “[Obama] pretty much is a Marxist.” is the same genius who came up with this:
”...Wutz good errrrbody this is da one who is often immatated but not not NEVA duplicated…DSTAR (Lump$SUM) reppin south side ballas (dont show if you aint really comin)
i also rep da DALLAS COWBOYS..i wuz born in Dallas but raised in Compton….keep it chill.. “
Oh lord….
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 4, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
that is my little brother, honestly. I just appear in the background of some of them. He’s good at making people mad, not that I’m not, as one can see from this thread. Some may remember, when I first came to this blog, my brother acted as a troll to y’all under my username. But no, that is not me, he isn’t smart enough to like baseball stats.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
that was your brother. i seem to remember you claiming that you found god. i guess stories change
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I did help him out sometimes, and for that I apologized, because I knew it was wrong from my faith in God.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait... Obama is BLACK!?!?!?
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 3, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Might as
well be white…
Whitest black guy I have ever seen.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles is at least as Black
as fellow Dallasite, Vanilla Ice.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 4:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahmm...
Clarence Thomas would like to have a word with you.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's khaki really
And Khaki goes with EVERYTHING!!!
by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 4, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's black
norm drop
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 4, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Paul '12
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 3, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or, you know...
Dennis Kucinich would be a comparable choice.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jun 3, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that
would be an awesome cage match: Lil Danny Herrera vs miles vs Ron Paul vs Dennis Kucinich
by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna go out on a limb
and say that this thread is gonna get ugly. Sad really. Why can’t we just say… Wow, a black man is a nominee, what a milestone for this great nation. And leave it at that….
by AirJordan on Jun 3, 2008 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
because
it happened through corruption, tainting the milestone. I don’t want the uninformed to be ignorant of the truth because of you guys. It’s really very similar to steroids in baseball…
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 3, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pot said to the kettle...
No bid contracts. Nepotism. “Intelligence” showing links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 4, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
just wow.
I mean corruption… politics… uninformed… ignorant…
Haliburton, Rove, Rice, and W
by bushe on Jun 4, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
you’re admitting this is corruption? red herring person, don’t change the subject.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats similar to steriods?
just curious?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
voter disenfranchisement
taints milestone of first black presidential nominee. Steroids taint milestone of home run record(s).
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your posts
taint your reputation.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It
shouldn’t. I’m just exchanging my opinions reasonably. I dislike, but respect, most of you guys’ political opinons, but it has little carryover to baseball.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
I enjoy arguing baseball and politics. But I think you’re engaging in some demagoguery here and need to be more objective. The two parties are not so different as you make them out to be, and certainly neither party has a monopoly on virtue or ethics. I cannot respect anyone who claims one party is more or less corrupt than the other. There are good and bad eggs in each. Likewise, both Obama and McCain both have strengths and weaknesses.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I think the Republicans have a lot more virtue and ethics, considering I am a Christian who believes in absolutes, that being said, one should not simply look at party affiliation. Principle over party, always.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see,
that’s why no one is taking you seriously here. NEITHER party has more ethics or virtue. You PERSONALLY agree with more of their policies, but their stance on abortion and gay marriage do not give them an edge in ethics. Just because the GOP’s platform is more in line with the way SOME Christians (evangelicals) interpret the Bible does not mean they are more virtuous or ethical.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home Run Tball!!!!
if you can blindly support this corrupt era of republican governance, an era that will be looked back on historically as one of the 5 most corrupt oligarch moments in american history, you have no friggin hope, son.
party politics-wise it doesnt get any worse, the Rocket hearings told me that. So coincidentally all the republicans are firm supporters of rogers character and all the dems are firm supporters of the guy testifying , it you cant agree on cleaning up baseball base on party lines, why the hell are they gonna get anything else agreed on.
i’ve gotten to the point where just railroad all the corrupt guys, ill vote any way possible to get those guys out of here. Joe Barton is my current target. He made sure johnson county and midlotian arent included in the DFW air polution codes. He gets big bucks from those scum guys to allow them to pollute our local area. Hey Joe, the prevailing wind is from the south!!!
The whole quest is to get these corrupt crooks out of this joint and the minute your voting straight ticket these days is the minute your selling us all down the river.
this era of republican politics bring this country closer to revolution and divisiveness every second
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 5, 2008 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it
is more in line with what I believe to be absolute truth, they are more virtuous. Their position on abortion and gay marriage DOES give them an advantage in ethics. There ARE absolutes, it is not relative.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 5, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutes
are an opinion. It is possible to be a Christian and not believe every single word in the Bible is literally true. To be an absolutist is the greatest conceit possible.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 5, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off
in saying that absolutes are an opinion, your are making an absolute statement yourself. Kinda hypocritical don’t you think?
I believe every word in the Bible can be put together in context to give an absolute definition of truth.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 5, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not hypocritical
Hypocritical would be if I said one thing but really believed another.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 5, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why you bother with this epic boob
Your time is so much more valuable than that, Terry.
These questions, if asked at all, should be posed to the parents who he so obviously is parrotting.
Thanks wunderkind, for the 60-70 myopic, asanine, and ludicrously repetitve “contributions” you have made to a thread that I specifically asked not turn into some political rantfest.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jun 5, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey Brian
I’m sorry you feel that way, but you just lost you’re credibility because of your ranting and name-calling.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 6, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
well let’s take that sentence out. In saying that absolutes are an opinion, your are making an absolute statement yourself.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 6, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen
what has happened in the past 8 years?
And you want to say the republican party has ethics?
You serious?
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
most of ‘em. Of course there are exceptions.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 5, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 6, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's that chick...
Yummy.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 6, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
republican whore
literally
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 7, 2008 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
And a good post.
BTW, did anyone catch McCain’s speech tonight? I don’t know if he’ll listen to any of his advisors, but someone really needs to tell him to dial down the asshole quotient a notch or two. People don’t want to elect a dick as president. He comes off as angry and contemptuous, and most people aside from the Dittoheads just don’t feel that way toward Obama. When he’s trying to be humble or agreeable, he gets this bizarre forced smile on his face that looks really awkward and his voice goes up about three octaves. It’s terribly offputting.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Jun 3, 2008 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you smell what Barack is cooking?
Heh.
He was never my first choice but he is a pretty strong candidate. I think he’s the type who could be a great president or a horrible one.
Now that the primary is over, time to get down to the real business of winning 280 house seats and 60 senate seats.
by PatrickWalz on Jun 3, 2008 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't smell it.
but I do hope Mccain makes Romney his VP, because I can’t stand McCain, not near conservative enough for my liking. Bobby Jindal would be interesting as well. NO to Charlie Crist or Pawlenty.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes Charlie Crist!
help us get rid of him in Florida!
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jun 4, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty big day for america regardless of party affiliation
now if we can just end the racist undertones by political opponents attempting to find a strategy for rebuttal.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 3, 2008 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
i found this a little funny. I hope its not a thread-jack or a distraction.
i just couldnt resist.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 3, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
These sorts of things will all be less of an issue when all of the people who were alive during the Jim Crow era are dead.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 4, 2008 12:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But they aren't.
And one of them who didn’t think MLK is a big deal is on the other side.
by PatrickWalz on Jun 4, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is most likely referring to McCain
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-complicated.html
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he should have said "MLK day" not MLK
insinuating that someone is a racist because he wasn’t in favor of nationalizing a holiday is a little misleading. Trying to use things like holidays and museums to trap to bait people into looking like racists is not helping anyone’s causes…
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
he actually did say he didn’t think MLK was a big deal
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by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So did Clinton earlier this year...
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
don’t remember that specifically but i’m not exactly the biggest clinton backer these days
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by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a comment about how LBJ
was more important to the civil rights movement than MLK was. Strictly speaking, it is an accurate statement. However it sounded bad and got Clinton some bad press back in her dark days of late February / early March
My point is you can find “racism” in lots of comments, especially about MLK. Suggesting someone is a racist because he doesn’t deify MLK is shallow. The quickness that some are to label someone as racist is what has kept progressive discussions about race from happening for fifty years.
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know if you realize
but nobody used the word racist. you were the first one to bring it up.
i would say that mccain’s comments of the past seem to suggest the movement wasn’t important and hillary just suggests that the president was an integral part of the movement and that mlk would not have been able to accomplish as much without a willing president.
but, i think it was a valid issue to raise about mccain at the time and he’s done a decent job of answering for it.
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that no one said the word
But I’m able to detect when people are insinuating it. I just think that race in America is a valid issue that should be discussed reasonably and rationally, and when someone says “Well McCain doesn’t admire MLK!” it marginalizes a legitimate discussion.
It is very similar dstar saying that Obama is a Marxist. Obviously Obama has never said anything that advocates communism in any way, though the far left may at times agree with some aspects of Obama’s platform. But all of those policies can be debated rationaly without sides calling one another communists and fascists.
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without
Reaching the merits on anything else, I agree that the only logical underpinning of a “Mccain doesn’t care about MLK” argument is, at its core, racism. I doubt anyone would care if he didn’t have respect for any other number of great Americans.
Whether that argument has any merit is at the discretion of the listener, I suppose.
by brettgardner on Jun 4, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how racist do you have to be
to not wanna take a day off?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it particularly dumbfounding that a person as bright as yourself would fail to see the extraordinary significance of this event
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's significant...
because I don’t think it should be made to be significant. This shouldn’t be any more important than any other man winning the nomination.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jun 4, 2008 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Who cares what color someone is. treat everyone equal.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should really sit this one out
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
some people like to cherry pick the days they love America.
by Longhorn on Jun 4, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, however
Not at all dumbfounding…
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, that is the way it should ALWAYS have been
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations to Obama
And, uh, whoever called him a Marxist obviously has no idea what they’re talking about. I don’t know why people had to bring all this vitriol to a good topic.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 12:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
he pretty much is a Marxist.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u dont even know what a marxist is...
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
buzzword
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 4, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes I do
eliminate the upper class/bourgeoise through whatever force necessary. That is what he eventually will try to do, but of course he won’t straight up say that.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you on crack? what would lead you to believe this?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what????
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
to a Jesus Freak Nazi like yourself.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
it’s what he is
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In exactly the same way
you are a Jesus Freak Nazi.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
a Nazi, because I despise the government. I do believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. By your argument, you are a Marxist Know-It-All.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who would call him a Marxist...
...either:
1) Doesn’t know what a Marxist is,
2) Is irrational, or
3) Is just trolling or being purposely dishonest
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
could we call him a socialist?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jun 4, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is a spectrum
and technically he is closer to the spectrum than mccain, but it’s still ludicrous. might as well call republicans anarchists
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marxist
eliminate the upper class through whatever force necessary. He wants to do that.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He DOES want to do that. He also wants to CRUNK DANCE!
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 4, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eliminate the
upper class?
Aren’t you a little more worried about the fall of the middle class in this country?
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
worried about keeping what has made us so successful the last 200 years going, Freedom, Justice, and Order.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And so that
means we have to protect the upper class with tax cuts exclusively for them?
You do realize the worst thing that could happen to this country is the abolition of the middle class, right?
The middle class has carried us strong for 200 years.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who said
anything about abolition of the middle class? I AM MIDDLE CLASS. There aren’t exclusive upper-class tax-cuts, I support equal tax-cuts for everybody. Everybody has the same opportunity to make money, those who succeed shouldn’t be punished by paying more than lower classes.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The middle
class is depleting in this country, its a fact.
And there are certain special tax cuts for the richest Americans.
And who implemented this? Dubya.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
twisted
stats…
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have much to learn young one.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
you guys stop telling me I’m wrong, and tell me HOW I’m wrong. It’s just like libs to twist an argument to the situation. Y’all decided, “Hey! He’s relatively young so we’ll just tell him that he’s wrong and shut up, and our excuse for not giving him respect or credibility is that he’s young. We’ll just treat it like everything he says is ridiculous.” That stuff does not work on me.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah we're waiting
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading your thoughts...
I have neither the time nor patience to teach you about Marx/Engel/Marxism/Socialism.
I would strongly encourage you to google it and do some reading and then try and tell me Obama is a Marxist/Socialist.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Socialism
is simply the necessary step to Communism. Marxism is a more radical form of Secular Humanism where they believe in eliminating the resistance to absolute equality (bourgeoise/upper class/aristocracy ) by force, often mass murder. I’m not stupid, I realize 99.9% of people don’t believe what I’m saying because it is ridiculous, I realize that, I just think that Obama would move us toward Marxism. What happens to me if I resist the government when/if he initiates certain Socialist ideals?
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you are stupid but...
“I realize 99.9% of people don’t believe what I’m saying because it is ridiculous, I realize that…”
If you realize what you are saying is ridiculous then what do you expect us to say?
You can disagree with another party’s views, I often do with the dems as well, but I don’t go all the way from one extreme to another. I think you know more about politics than most your age, but saying Obama is a Marxist or that you think he would move us towards Marxism is just incorrect.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see
response to Black Francis below.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Socialism is not a Necessary Step Toward Communism
And Obama isn’t a socialist.
You don’t understand the nuances of Marxism, either. Basically Marx’s theory would have us all living in communes or similar, and there would be no nation-states. He did believe the people would revolt if I’m not mistaken, but I don’t think the Soviet Union or the Bolshevik Revolution was what he had in mind.
If you want to see something that resembles real communism, go to Israel and visit a Kibbutz.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grossly incorrect...
...and intellectually dishonest.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marx...
did believe the working class would revolt and lead to socialism.
Communism in the Soviet Union as we saw it was not what Marx/Engels had in mind either. That was much more a product of Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin and their interpretation of Marx and Engels’ writings.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's
to say that wouldn’t be Obama’s ideal? I would not put it past him. His wife, “Barack will not let you go back to your lives as usual.”
Not necessarily communes…
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is "that"
Do you think Obama is running for President only to the proletariat in a violent overthrow of his own Administration? That doesn’t make any damn sense.
Obama is not a Marxist. He’s not a communist. Not a socialist. He’s to the left of you, that’s all. The only US politician that comes close to being any of the above is Dennis Kucinich, and I wouldn’t call him a socialist. Just very liberal.
If you really have an interest in knowing what socialism is, go look at the platform for the Socialist Party. There is one, you know. And look up Socialist parties in Europe while your at it. Until you learn a thing or two I’d advise you to stop throwing these labels around…it just makes you look ignorant to people who know what they’re talking about, and there are a lot of them around here. LSB is a pretty well educated group.
by Black Francis on Jun 5, 2008 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well educated
meaning liberal? You guys can’t stand people who have drastically different ideas than y’all…... you’re not diverse enough.
I already explained what Marxism is, and that is Obama’s ideal I believe. And as I said, he can’t come out and straight up say that. Explain Michelle Obama’s quote please.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 5, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ignorance is ignorance
It doesn’t matter where one may fall on the political spectrum.
This is a long thread so maybe I’ve missed it, but I don’t see where you’ve explained what Marxism is. But I can tell you one thing with 100 percent certainty: Barack Obama is not a Marxist. In fact, he’s nowhere close to a socialist, much less a Marxist. If you think that he is, then you do not know what Marxism is. It’s like you’re pointing to a bicycle and calling it an airplane. There’s no room for opinion on this. A bicycle isn’t an airplane, and Obama’s not a Communist. Calling him makes you look foolish. Continuing to call him one is just stupid.
by Black Francis on Jun 5, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
If I’m reading this right, you wouldn’t put it past Obama to have Marxism as his ideal, even though you don’t appear to have anything to substantiate this claim.
And based on you not putting it past him to have that as his ideal, you’re labeling him a Marxist.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 5, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
explain
Michelle Obama’s quote please. Explain the clinging to guns and clinging to religion out of bitterness quote, please.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 6, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
your the bitterest guy on this website. im not sure any explanation is necesary. and i do cling to my gun and they best get over it and im a left wing liberal.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 7, 2008 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which
“gun”.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 8, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the politicians...
... are just that… ‘politicians’... they all suck. It’s basically tantamount to voting for a ‘student body president’ who does nothing and lets the bureaucracy muck things up on their behalf. I vote that we keep LSB politics free. It’s a pointless argument that will only get people mad and keep us from our primary objective… bringing Juan Dominguez back to the Rangers.
by TheCrow on Jun 4, 2008 12:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The slant of this post was historical, not political
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is not historical
because it is tainted with uncounted votes.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean kind of like
the 2000 election?
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
How did he not see that one a mile away.
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
by TheBZA on Jun 4, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
all those people who didn’t go vote because the networks called it early for one person.
by Longhorn on Jun 4, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
naw
i think he’s talking about both party’s not having the interest of democracy but rather the interest of each parties political gain. neither party gave a shit about counting every vote, even the supreme court didnt give a shit.
these are the folks that are supposed to insure democracy is a shining beacon of hope and their elections wouldnt pass UN standards. its still disgusting b/c we still arent up to international UN approved standards, i believe.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off
the 2000 election was perfectly fine, no states were ignored or treated unfairly.
secondly, you think two wrongs make a right?
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ChoicePoint
Look it up next time you’re CRUNK DANCING. It’s well documented that the state of Florida and its officials (Katherine Harris, Jebby, etc.) did everything in their power to remove from the voter rolls (legally and illegally) those names which they could reasonably predict would have voted for Gore.
I realize you were 9 at the time, but try doing a little research.
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 4, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
legally
buzzword.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Dominguez
for team president!
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No statement
Of any value, each should decide and vote in accord with their view of what the country needs. And that will be difficult. I first voted in a national election in 1958, have never once voted a straight ticket local to national, and have always voted for competency (as I perceive it) over glitz. The problems facing the nation are the same to solve, no matter the party of the candidates.
That said, unless there is a kind of relevation yet unseen to help guide us in 2008, this will be the first time I vote hoping to make sure someone does not win, rather than using platform planks of choice and assessing competency. Helluva note after voting for 50 years.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jun 4, 2008 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re:
this will be the first time I vote hoping to make sure someone does not win
I had the pleasure of doing that in ‘04 when I (very) reluctantly touched the part of the screen that meant I wanted to vote for… ugggh... John… guh... Kerry… BLECK!
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 4, 2008 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I'm just happy
the era of massive incompetency that was the Bush Presidency is coming to an end. You talk about appointing folks with no particular skills, and just a fairly ridiculous agenda based on their absurd view of the world situation.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me Too
I don’t like McCain…I think his policy will be very similar to Bush’s. But certainly he would appoint better people to run the myriad of departments and surround himself with a competent inner circle. The importance of such things cannot be understated.
So no matter who wins I think we’re in for an improvement.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
basically copy and paste the dem talking points, eh?. Atleast give it your own twist. Ah, nevermind.
by Longhorn on Jun 4, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at some point
people will take this party partisanship and throw it out a window. i mean bush and his cronies being gone is a godsend to america. i know major conservative players and even they think that bush’s presidency has set us back as a nation to almost the point after the korean war, its like politically throughout the world this country has lost power and respect. For all thats good, i just hope we have a president that helps lead this country to a resurgence. We get any more bush 43’s in a row and america will be as big a world power as england and france screw superpower, economically i just dont think we can take 2 or 3 more presidencies like we’ve had the last 8 years. it would be end game.
we gotta get back on the right track, remember what it was like to be the land of the free and the home of the brave.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
I personally will probably go dem in this election because I think McCain is a little quick to play the fear card. However I believe that both of these candidates seem like good candidates and for the 1st time in my voting career I may actually vote for someone without having bile in my mouth…
by bushe on Jun 4, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Straight Ticket
I’ve only been voting since 1994, but I always go straight ticket. I simply disagree with most core GOP values, like trickle-down economics fueled by deficit spending. I don’t mind that they’re business friendly, per se, but when they change bankruptcy laws to make it harder on the consumer while at the very same time running up the nation’s credit card to obscene levels, that’s…well it just doesn’t sit well with me. Then there’s all the social stuff. I’d prefer the government and religious establishment stay as far away from one another as possible. I believe that’s what the framers intended and whether they did or not, I believe it’s necessary to protect one from the other.
It seems we’re in the midst of a political realignment. When the dust settles, I may vote Republican if they produce a platform that makes sense to me. I’ve never shut my mind off completely.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francis
me and you have to be about the same age, 94 was my first vote too. and ur a pixies guy…
good stuff
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see
we are down to the fundamental, stark choices between Tax and Spend Democrats and Borrow and Spend Republicans.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Both McCain and Obama have absolutely unrealistic spending ideas and no way to pay for them.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I vote for the first president who actually tells us we actually have to live within our means, and either we have to cut a lot of sacred cow spending, or raise taxes to pay for it. The idiocy of the 4 Trillion or so of debt that Bush added is just maddening.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tax and spend
how do the democrats not do what you are saying?
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I've voted more Democrat lately
I’m not fond of their high spending ways, but at least they are realistic in that they believe you have to raise money for what you spend. Republican Economics have been complete VooDoo economics since the days of Reagan.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama supports the PAYGO rules
And regarding living within our means – Obama was highly criticized by the right for saying this in a speech in Oregon: “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our
homes on 72 degrees at all times …”
by SteveP on Jun 4, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hillary Clinton pisses me off
Look I’m neither African American or female, so I am impartial to this race. Hell, iif Mccain picks Bobby Jindol to be his running mate, I’ll probably just vote for him. But the way that Clinto has acted throughtout the race and continiuing today has in my opinion described her as one of ignominy. Even when the delegates have been counted by multiple news sources and Obama has been named the winner, she says she’s gonna wait until she makes her decision. What decision does she have to make about dropping out?? It’s over. Admit it and quit being a sore loser. What’s worse for her is that how is Obama going ot pick her to be VP now that she keeps insisting on dragging out even though that its clearly over. Its as if she is sabotaging the Democrats to make sure the Republicans win…..
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by hinduplaya on Jun 4, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He might be able to buy Hillary off
by picking up some of her campaign debt rather than adding her as VP.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But doable, I believe.
Can’t campaign contributors be “steered” to donating for Hillary? I think most election spending laws are somewhat silly I believe.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
he can promise future money to her and maybe promise that his machine will help her out in her re-election.
but she’s not getting any money in the short term
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can still contribute
to a previous campaign, correct? It seems like I recall a few “retire campaign debt” fundraisers.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
....not really anymore.
Here’s a story that explains it a little better than I could.
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 4, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama
he needs to get latino’s and jewish folks on his side, i dunno how much hillary does get that.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Richardson
would sway the latino’s, as well as solutions for border policy’s.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 4, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Webb is one of those “blue dog” democrats from virginia who is in the senate. He’s kinda your southern democratic revival kinda fella and probably was high on the list.
I like bill richardson, he has serious international policy and negotiation skills and experience and i think it helps get ya New Mexico and Colorado maybe Nevada
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if the Blue Dogs
ever get organized, they could claw back a ton of Reagan Democrats.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Dogs
I doubt they’ll ever get organized in a party where the rising powers (i.e., Kos) are inherently against them. The DLC was organized to take back the Reagan Democrats and Southern Dems, and has basically been destroyed from within the party…
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard Dean
That’s what happens when you put someone of his ilk in the chairman’s seat. Not a lot of Blue Dog in Dean.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 4, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone of his ilk
is going to oversee one of the biggest democrat takeovers in recent history. do you have any clue what is happening in senate races in places like MI and TX?
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by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bush did more
to help the Dems than Dean did…
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
the DLC wasn’t even willing to contest places like MS. Begala was the one that said that Dean was squandering money by hiring nosepickers in MS (I meant Mississippi in the earlier post, got abbreviations screwed up).
DLC has their strategy of focusing on key states. Dean has his 50 state strategy. This election cycle will prove (already has proven) which is the better one.
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by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the 50 state strategy is smart
and that is Dean’s doing. And to give Dean credit, he realizes that moderate conservative Democrats are the only D’s who will win in the South, so that is who he should find to run there. My argument is more with the Kos type people who want to push those same people out of the Democrat party.
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think it is a fair characterization
obviously kos is going to fall to the left of those people but it’s not like he is shunning the MS senators.
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by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a moronic characterization.
The Kos types have no interest in pushing those people out IN THE SOUTH where they are the liberalest who would get elected.
In the northeast where there are much better alternatives than Lieberman, its a different story.
by PatrickWalz on Jun 4, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Settle down champ
The discussion was around Blue Dogs and my comment was that they wouldn’t be taking over the party anytime soon because Dean is running the party. No where does it say that I think Dean or his strategy is dumb or not working as it was designed.
Someone’s got politics on their sleeve today.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 4, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW i guess theyd consider me a bit of a blue dog
im a progressive lefty but im also a hunter and fisherman and gunlover i guess you could say. very rarely is someone strictly all one thing.
thats what the dems need to realize. part of being liberal is understanding different perspectives. narrow minded democrats piss me off.
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by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think she's actually trying to...
...keep herself relevant for 2012 in the event that McCain wins, rather than trying to sabotage the Democrats. With Hillary, it’s all about her interests.
"Hello win column..."
by rangersfan34 on Jun 4, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
although it is historical
I wonder what the spectrum of opinions would be if we were talking about a J.C. Watts, Colin Powell, or Condi Rice.
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by willamos2 on Jun 4, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Condi Rice would be an even bigger deal, obviously
I stand fully behind my original assertion.
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 4, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather it be
Colin Powell, but then, I don’t think he’d have a chance in hell of being nominated as a Republican.
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by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh.
I think the one thing we learned about the first four years of this administration is that Colin Powell was a lot better of a general than he was a politician. I think regardless of one’s political background, Powell failed us all as SoS. He had the clout in the country and the press to take a stand against what was going on in the initial days of Iraq if he really believed it was the wrong path.
Instead, he went along with Rumsfeld etc and then pouted that he was bullied around. I have no respect for that…
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
The reason he quit was becuase he lost said power to Chaney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, aka The Axis of Evil.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 4, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know why he quit
but if he knew the build-up to Iraq was a crock, then why did he go in front of the UN and argue that it was legit?
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason they call it politics
by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 4, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
but the whole advantage of Powell was that he was “above politics” If he proves (When he proved?) to be just any other politician who sells out his beliefs for what is politically expedient, then there is no point in treating him as anything more than just another guy in Washington…
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's talk VP nominations:
who is the best pick/worst pick for each candidate (from realistic choices).
My opinion:
Obama
Best – Bill Richardson – would deliver Latino votes
Worst – Hillary Clinton – too polarizing
McCain
Best – Charlie Crist – should guarantee Florida
Worst – Rob Portman – although he would help in Ohio, he’s just too unknown on a national level
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by willamos2 on Jun 4, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i really think this entire election will come down to
Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, and on an even smaller scope, it may just be Ohio as I have a hard time seeing Pennsylvania or Florida switch sides.
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by willamos2 on Jun 4, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
old map
obama only has to win one of those states, and actually has a map where he doesn’t need any.
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by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what states do you have Obama turning to blue then?
he has to pick up at least 1 state obviously, and I think Ohio is the state it must be. Florida was already red and will probably remain that way. PA is blue and will probably remain that way.
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by willamos2 on Jun 4, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
I don’t remember the Kerry map but I think the ones he’s “turning blue” are NM, CO, MO, IA. WI, VA, MD, NH. IN.
I think I got all of the swing states there, but basically the left coast, the north east, MN, HI, and the states I just named. And he could pick off a couple from NE (they split their Electoral votes).
but, like I said, that is really the only map where he can do it without the big three. He does increase his chances a lot by only grabbing one of the big three. but, he doesn’t have to keep PA blue as well as grab OH. one or the other still leads to a win. getting both is gravy.
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by ab03 on Jun 4, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in 2004
MD and NH were already blue.
You’d have to expect that McCain will compete in New Hampshire more than Bush did (since NH is historically McCain country).
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by tdi1985 on Jun 4, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah,
of the states you listed, only NM, CO, MO, IA, VA, and IN would be pickups from 2004 for Obama, and I think McCain is still favored in MO, IN, and VA.
Obviously, that would still be enough delegates to put him over, but I would think it would stand to reason that Obama would be much more served focusing on keeping what he’ll get already from 2004 and targeting Ohio where it was extremely close in 2004.
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by willamos2 on Jun 4, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sen. Webb (D) Virginia
You either try to get the latinos, or the southern rednecks, webb is the southern redneck option. not to mislable or slander the guy bu he is the modern southern democrat who a decade ago would have been a republican. these southern “blue dogs” are the guys that used to be republicans since the civil rights bill of 64 and are starting to realize that the republican party doesnt give a crap about them. we are seeing a resurgence of democrats in areas that have been a lost cause my whole life.
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by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is who I think Obama will take...
Webb just makes a ton of sense for him.
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by slc ranger on Jun 4, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that this is cool
I have long suspected that America is not nearly as “racist” as it is portrayed to be by some people with agendas. Obviously there are a few pockets of racism, and race was a factor in both the deep south (helped Obama) and probably in Appalachia (helped Clinton).
Obama may lose the general election, and I am sure some people will try to spin it off as a race thing. More likely it would just be that a campaign based on emotion is hard to sustain for 11 months – already you can see that the excitement for the sake of excitement is waning. But the important thing is that Obama has as good a chance of anyone to win the presidency – white, black, whatever. It will be his politics that matter – and I agree that that is an important statement about where America is right now
by JBImaknee on Jun 4, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i still really think that clinton played and had a lot of success using racial undertones in her campaign
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"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
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by Jayslick on Jun 4, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well BT... to your point, Condoleezza Rice agrees with you:
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Obama’s nomination an “extraordinary” development for the United States.
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by tdi1985 on Jun 4, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...do find it annoying that for the most part government spending decisions are made by people who, for the most part have never had to make a tough financial decision in their entire lives… for most politicians in the highest offices, the hardest decision they’ve had to make regarding their money is which hedge fund to go with… and its only increasing national debt and weakening the dollar…
if you really want something to freak-out about, China has something like $1.1 Trillion(thats trillion with a T) us dollars it has gather over several years of export surplus… and they’ve basically gain political leverage over trade disagreements by threatening to dump all those on the international market and, effectively, kill the dollars value in mere miinutes…
yay trade deficit… yay weak dollar…
oh and exxon-mobil last year made just over $5 million last year…. AN HOUR!!... and thats after expenses…
i’m sure glad our current adminsitration has no ties to that field… it might be seen a collusion
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by ivysafety39 on Jun 4, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we as a country
are clinging to the idea that we can borrow our way to prosperity. Things will change, but it won’t be pleasant.
by SteveP on Jun 4, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Debt
There are a couple of ways to look at it.
On one hand, our debt as a percentage of GDP is in line with other Western Democracies, and much better than most developing nations.
On the other, most of the Western Democracies have been treading water for a while and that’s not where we want to be.
I don’t think deficit spending is a bad thing in and of itself, but we’ve gone WAY overboard with it. Keynesian theory would dictate that you increase government spending in times of an economic slowdown. As part of a strategy. But there’s no strategy to what’s going on now. Bush tax cuts haven’t helped the economy…they’re just kickbacks to the people who elected him. The deficit increases are largely due to those cuts, and it’s politics rather than economic policy.
If we’re going to max out the national credit card, give the MIDDLE CLASS the tax cut. Fuel demand. Everybody gets richer. Trickle down economics is bullshit.
I think we have to re-evaluate EVERYTHING. Tax policy. Welfare programs. Military spending. Education. Trade agreements. So many of these jobs that have been created over the last 20 years are low pay service sector jobs. As a matter of national security, we need to maintain industrial capacity. So I think it’s important to enact legislation to protect our steel industry, and also to coerce the Big Three to be competitive in the global marketplace. This can be done through higher CAFE standards alone, I think. And import tariffs. Both should be done in stages, obviously.
There’s lots we can do as both liberals and conservatives if we’re willing to take a long, hard look at things and have the guts to make some changes.
Anyway, there’s my rant.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to amen one point of yours
keeping manufacturing capacity. If we let too much go away there would nowhere for Rosie to rivet if we suddenly needed to start manufacturing a whole lot of guns, planes, etc. We can’t outsource that stuff in a time of war.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 4, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
We’ll need steel and, well, automakers. They’re the ones who can really churn out war materiel.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
excellent point
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on Jun 4, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best one he ever made.
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by DJCahill on Jun 4, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was going to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sysQj14wMWk
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason, i always though dstar
was a 40-something Dittohead.
I had no idea he was just retarded.
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by willamos2 on Jun 4, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's
my brother
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
by dstar442005 on Jun 4, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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