I think that’s way too much to give up. Hurley and Davis and that’s it. Besides, why would the M’s trade with us?

Essentially, we’re trading Hurley for Felix and Davis for Maximus at first base, I don’t see how that makes us contenders next year.

I’d have a hard time believing the M’s would seriously do a deal like that.

However, if that was the price on the Rangers side—absolutely yes, I would do that.

but I cannot see the Mariners trading him within the division if they trade him at all.

dealing him or Ichiro. Even if they did the price to do so within the division would be too high I fear. I would have a hard time giving up Davis right now as well.

...one of either Ben Sheets, Ollie Perez, C.C. Sabathia to be considered “legit” legit…

Assume our offense stays around the same level, our pitching would still have significant holes. Imagine a rotation led by Felix. It would look something like Felix, Padilla, Millwood, two from the grab bag.

I suppose if you want to shell out money for Sabathia or Sheets this offseason, a rotation led by Felix, Sheets/Sabathia, Padilla and MIlly could make us legit contenders.

Would the combined contribution of those guys outweigh that of having a potential ace?

That’s always the question, of course, but in this case, being in the same division, I’m just not sure.

I know I’m on an island on this position, but I think the “ace” is overrated, at least in terms of trading. There are plenty of people who would give over the entire collection of hitters to get one “ace”. To me, though, having a #2, a couple #3s (whatever those numbers mean), and a power bat are at least as valuable as one pitcher, however talented he may be.

NO WAY that the Mariners would trade Felix within the division. I’d give them that package without hesitation if they would.

Felix is only 22. We would get the young legit Ace we always wanted. We have Justin Smoak in the fold and could play 1B in 2 years or so. Best case scenario for Hurley is that he will become a # 3 Pitcher. We will replenish some of the prospects lost in a Bradley and Padilla deal. If you sign Sheets in the off-season you will have a great 1-2 Combo. But I doubt he will be traded within the division.

that many folks argued that the Volquez/Hamilton deal made sense because you’re getting a stud who’ll play every day as opposed to someone who’ll go every 5th day (make no mistake, I’m not questioning that deal). However, to support giving up CD, Hurley, Harrison, AND another player for a guy who will only pitch every 5th day??? That’s too much.

could manage to have just an average pitching staff they would contend for the division. Even without a true #1 SP.

Luis Mendoza is who i would have a big problem giving up, he is better than Armando Gallaraga, Scott Feldman, and Eric Hurley for that matter. Can’t wait to see him in Yankee Stadium on Wednesday. If the Rangers take the next step this year, it wont be because we aquired an arm or a bat from outside the organization. It will be Chris Davis, Eric Hurley, and Luis Mendoza.

i’m joking

the Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez swap any day of the week.

I say trade him high… As well as he’s pitched, I dont trust him. I dont wan’t him on the mound in high pressure situations. If we ever make it to the playoffs, I wouldn’t look foward to seeing him on the mound.
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I’m not sure I would do that package, because I have to look into Felix’s performance lately and because I’m smitten with CD, which is far better than VD.

CD >> DVD ???

If the Ms are really stupid, the Rangers should be able to get Felix for Padilla (or Millwood), Maximus, and JMJ rather than one of the power pack (Font, Feliz, Main, et al.) members.

Anyone learn anything from what happened in the Bedard trade? Bedard has been good but not great, while the M’s have had big holes that could have been nicely filled by the guys that are in Baltimore now.

Keep Davis, Salty, Ramirez, Hurley, Mendoza, Bradley. Make Murphey, Laird, JMJ, Feldman, Padilla, everyday Eddie and Millwood available

Unless we get an offer for a young stud pitcher, a #1, ex. Clayton Kershaw, can’t trade Bradley.

pointless trade speculation

i agree with you.

Ryanand Daniels have both stated that the cost of acquiring pitching via FA or trade is “prohibitive.” They plan to develop their SP internally. Don’t expect any trade for King Felix or Bedard.

It’s a theoretical. And yes it could well put the Rangers into 2009 contention, as described. Another not-so-theoretical is Felix, a ticking time bomb. Even if he stays healthy, no surprise if he assaults an umpire, trashes a dugout, or attacks a teammate, is it? If acquired, Bradley and Warner Madrigal would have to sit on him between starts.

I don’t know if I could do it until I know more about what Hurley is all about. It does appear that we’ll need to deal one of Davis, Max, Salty.

I think you need to be on the cusp of contending to do a deal like this or be pushing for a division title. I just don’t think the Rangers are there so the more prospects the more better.

I’m trying to think of the last times a #1 starter made the difference. Was Schilling brought in on a trade by the D-Backs?

heart broken if we traded Chris Davis but I wouldn’t mind Queen Felix on our staff though.

This one o those deals that I’m kind of happy they (Seattle) wouldn’t make.

Cause if Seattle called you up and offered you this deal, you’d pretty much have to make it. But damn it would be agony for me if we had to trade Davis, Hurley, Diamond, and Kiker to freaking Seattle.

But, yah, if you can get F-Her for that package, you have to do it. Then you resign Bradley and sign Sheets and Pat Burell in the off season and you’re good to go in ‘09.

Can yall stop calling him “king”?

Stop acting like M’s fans…

Its a pet peeve of mine, pisses me off.

Felix’s best pitch isn’t his fastball, as we saw with Freddy, but over and over he chooses not to go with his best pitch to get outs, insisting on trying to throw the fastball. This year we’ve seen his game take a big step back in every way but the most widely accepted stats like ERA. I worry he’s not ever going to learn to harness his ability, and we’ll see exactly that Garcia path.
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Yet the perception of Felix as a rising star is as strong as ever, and his superficially impressive stats make people drool.

I assume DZ knows Felix better than us, so why is his belief that his value will soon nosedive as his flaws reveal unimpressive boundaries not being taken into account?

DZ is sorta saying “Fleece the suckers while we can!”

Part of weighing this trade is determining who the sucker is in the deal. So, step 1 is … ask Mel Didier if he sees a little Brandon McCarthy in King Felix.

There’s a couple of reasons here why trading for The Little Prince wouldn’t make us legit in 2009:

1) If you gave up a Davis/Hurley/someone else in A ball package to get Hernandez, you’ve essentially only played Whack-A-Mole. You’re trading away another starter and the guy who looks right now to be the 1B of the future. So you’ve brought in a #1…and traded away a #3 and your starting 1B. How does that really improve you to the point of being legit contenders? All that looks like to me is that you’ve added a great pitcher with sky high potential but opened up voids at the back of your rotation and at 1B.

2) If this writer’s assessment of Hernandez’s pitching problems is spot on, he sounds like the kind of guy who needs a Leo Mazzone style pitching coach, not Mark Connor. My take on Hernandez is that he is cocky bordering on arrogant and that he has a nasty temper. I don’t think any of those things are bad for a guy who is, in theory, a #1. He’s a bulldog. Where that does become a problem is when you’ve got a guy with that temper and a milquetoast pitching coach like Connor. I can’t really see The Mark Connor Special (trot out to mound, clap hands three times, mumble something like “OK now, go get ‘em!” to the pitcher, slap the pitcher on the ass and then trot back to the dugout) helping an arrogant young pitcher become a legit #1 game in and game out.

In addition to those two things, I don’t see any way in hell the Mariners would trade him within the division. They know what it felt like to see A-Rod once he signed with the Rangers, so I really don’t think they want to see Hernandez that many times a year via a trade.

Felix isn’t gonna come here, and we would be stupid to trade a division rival so many good prospects. If we make a huge trade and unload a big package of prospects for one guy, I don’t want it to be an inter-division trade – because if it blows up on us, we’re just going to have helped the M’s win the division before we do.