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Tim MacMahon = Right

Tim MacMahon runs down Jon Daniels' July "to do" list, and I have to say, I agree with all three of the things he sets out...

I'm checking to see if there are plagues of locusts or rivers running with blood...

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He must of had his wings clipped.

.. he spends half his time luv’n on EG and the rest trying not to tick anyone off.

by mattrpav on Jun 30, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Using his wording

I’d add Padilla, Millwood and Guardado to the list. I would not trade both of the starters, and I’m not sure that I’d trade either. But I would want to know what each would return.

And dealing Catalanotto should be a higher priority than dealing Guardado, because the team has virtually no use for Cat now, and because they owe him money past this year if they keep him. But Guardado might have more value than Cat, and he might bring a worthwhile return.

And for that matter, Vazquez is in his last year. Someone might could use him.

by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

i think

guardado is pretty much gonna be traded.

would like to add byrd too.

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jun 30, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm definitely shopping Millwood at this point.

His peripherals have sucked equally badly in ‘07 and ‘08. I just don’t see him being a solid rotation member going forward. I had high hopes for him at the beginning of the season since he came into camp in good shape, but that hasn’t translated into success on the mound. He’s allowing WAY too many baserunners. I’d try and trade him to a contender and see what’s available, then use the money saved towards signing a Sheets or Sabathia this winter.

by Athos on Jun 30, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

flipping Milly is as much a salary dump as a propect pickup. Get him out of here, don’t pay too much of his salary, grab the MiLB guys you can.

The open up Daddy Hicks’ wallet for a real decent starter.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jun 30, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braves are rumored to want him

Most people would rather trade Padilla than Milly, but I’m in the minority that would much rather trade Milly and hold on to Padilla than the other way around.

"Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?"

by sprite on Jun 30, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bravos

I think the Braves might take Millwood back. Not sure how much they would give up for him, though.

by sggut95 on Jun 30, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty spot on

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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by gossamer on Jun 30, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Can anyone do that copy/paste website thing

so I can read this at work? Stupid websense blocking blogs.

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 30, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

If you had to think of 3 things adam would say...

what would they be?

"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08

.501 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jun 30, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

1. I love posting ‘80s YouTube Videos

2. My use of commas is greater than yours.

3. The Mavs are awful and I told you so over and over again.

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 30, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I’ll be on vacation the next few weeks, and I wanted to give my many, many fans on this here blog a present before bolting to the beach. I came up with a to-do list for Jon Daniels to make sure that the Rangers’ rebuilding project stays on course while I’m away. I’m pretty much on board with the great Evan Grant’s suggestion of holding, so it’s a pretty short list.

1. Trade Frank Catalanotto—Really, it’s the right thing to do for a veteran who no longer has a role on this team and has always been a class act. But there’s no reason to give away a guy who has significant value as a lefty who is officially the majors’ best active pinch hitter. Is it too much to expect ol’ JD to pull off another Kenny Lofton-for-Max Ramirez kind of deal?

2. Determine Jarrod Saltalamacchia’s trade value—Salty was the headliner of the Mark Teixeira package (in large part because he was the only guy coming from Atlanta close to ready for the majors), but trade bait might be his best role in the Rangers’ rebuilding project. He’s 23 years old and has the potential to be an elite power-hitting catcher, but the Rangers would be good behind the plate with Gerald Laird and Max Ramirez for the foreseeable future. Perhaps the Rangers could move Salty for a primo prospect at another position or solid starting pitcher who would remain a Ranger for a few years. Advice to JD: Don’t mention Salty’s troubles hitting lefties (.200 in 160 career at-bats) or throwing out runners (5 of 33 this season) during trade talks.

3. Figure out what the heck to do with Hank Blalock—This one could be complicated, depending on whether Blalock ever makes it off the DL. The Blalock solution absolutely, positively should not include taking playing time away from rookie Chris Davis, whose only move for the next decade should be getting bumped up into the middle of the Rangers’ lineup.

by oc on Jun 30, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gracias.

Btw, I think you should take over the power rankings again since Miles is obviously too busy making sure everyone knows his status.

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 30, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

no Dirk… i want to know how YOU would rank the LSB nation…

by oc on Jun 30, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...

Tim announces “vacation the next few weeks” just as MJH arrives.

by Jamey Newberg on Jun 30, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Subtle irony

or more?

Heh, I have my own theorum.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jun 30, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

so our bets on how long before the first altercation need a little adjusting now

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jun 30, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trading Cat

would make room for Blalock at the end of the bench. Add Guardado, Wright, Byrd and Vazquez to the potential trade list. Let Bradley stay and offer him arbitration. If he accepts then work out a 3 yr deal. If not, get the draft picks.

Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Jun 30, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Re: Saltalamacchia's trade value

I really doubt that his trade value is currently such that the return could really justify trading him this year.

Saltalamacchia’s offense has not improved at all, despite the fact that he’s finally getting the full-time reps he needs out there – yes, he’s still young and has plenty of time to break out, but trading him right now would likely be selling very low on a player who still has all star potential.

At this point, I think that even despite his injury, Gerald Laird probably has more trade value than any of our young catchers, save for Max Ramirez (whom I would not part with for love nor money). I don’t want to sound like lonestarJon (perish the thought) but if you’re a GM like Jon Daniels, and you’re currently in a developmental mode, it does make a lot more sense to trade Gerald Laird than it does Saltalamacchia right now.

by BlackHawk125 on Jun 30, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

i think that since

you got young pitchers in the rotation now, and some more coming up.

laird’s glove is better than salt’s and, right now his bat is better, and he’s better at throwing out base runners. i would think that the young pitchers would feel more confident and pitch better with laird than with salts.

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jun 30, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salty is a bit of an enigma to me.

He’s very highly touted as a potential slugging catcher type that most teams would love to have, but so far we haven’t seen that at the big league level. I’ve been of the opinion since we got him that his hype is much more significant than his actual ability. And when you have a player like that, his best use is typically trade bait to get a commodity you have greater faith in. That’ s what I see Salty’s highest value as being. My thinking is that he needs to be dealt before his actual performance destroys the hype. I realize there are those that have absolute faith that he’s going to develop into an all star—I’m just not one of them. Right now, Laird is a better all around player than Salty, and his defense is MUCH better. I’m fine with Laird sticking as a place holder until we determine if Tea is the real deal and if we can get away with a Tea/Ramirez catching tandem with MaxRam getting extra at bats at first and DH.

All that said, I think Salty fits better in a winter deal than in a deadline deal.

by Athos on Jun 30, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think myself

That Salty’s lack of performance has already destroyed the hype. I just don’t see that there’s going to be a team out there willing to give up a premium pitching prospect for a struggling 23 year-old catcher with defensive deficiencies. Laird on the other hand, can be traded to a contender who will be more apt to part with prospects since they are looking to “win now”.

Of course, I’m looking at this problem purely from the standpoint of trade value – but since it seems that we need to trade one of our catchers at the deadline, I think that’s what the key issue is here.

by BlackHawk125 on Jun 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

the key phrase in that is

“23 year-old”

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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by gossamer on Jun 30, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Youth doesn't always mean he'll be better in the future.

Every crappy player in the ML was young once. At some point the “potential” has to start showing some results.

by Athos on Jun 30, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

just pointing out

that “23 year old” is NOT a negative thing. especially when preceded by “struggling”

that’s a bit different from “stugging 27 year old”

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jun 30, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's absolutely ridiculous

I highly doubt that you would be making similar proclamations about less-hyped players through 315 PA’s, especially when arguments can be made that Salty should have spent longer in the minors.

I also hate to sound like LSJ, but you people amaze me.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by inactive lsb user on Jun 30, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand your gripe with my statement.

Are you advocating that potential doesn’t have to translate to performance at some point?

A great number of people have argued that Salty is the next coming as far as offensive production behind the plate. I want to know when it is fair to expect him to start showing that. I’m not saying cut him, for crying out loud, but I think he’s at a point where you have to either trade him while his “potential” is still a selling point or you take your chances that he’s going to destroy his own hype by continuing to fail to live up to it. I’d really like to see him prove me wrong, but I’m just not impressed by any facet of his game at this point.

by Athos on Jun 30, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's premature

to write him off as someone who hasn’t / won’t meet his offensive ceiling.

Even if he was league average the rest of the way (which wouldn’t be an insurmountable goal, given his small 117 AB sample this year), I’d still give him a shot.

With samples this small, perceived declines / improvements accrue quickly. Also, how do you address the consistent playing time issue? Is it best to have an elite, power hitting catcher break in to MLB by platooning?

If not, then your argument is much more apropos. If you’re talking strictly from the perspective of leveraging assets, then it might be best to trade Salty, considering he would likely bring the biggest return. However, Laird has recovered significant value after last year’s disaster.

But I refuse to accept that Salty won’t be the best player (between Max, Laird, Teagarden) simply because he’s struggled initially. I think he deserves a longer leash.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by inactive lsb user on Jun 30, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

with everything you stated.

Formerly known as OKRangerFan

by B_Black on Jun 30, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

we can make sound arguments

on why the rangers should trade salty. or why they should trade laird.

bottom line is, one of them has to be gone for next year.

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jun 30, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 30, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

A point about Salty's batting average

BABIP splits according to B-R:
.355 RH against righties
.248 LH against lefties

His overall expected BABIP is .304. However, I can’t find line drive splits for him as a lefty/righty, so it may very well be that these BABIP numbers make sense—.304 does split the difference almost evenly between his BABIP splits.

by jwiscarson on Jun 30, 2008 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you got those backwards

Why would a switch hitter hit samesies against a pitcher?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that...

... kind of grasping at statistical straws to make Salty look better? His overall career numbers against lefties are .200/.250/.306 in 160 AB. He’s .283/.358/.453 against righties in 265 AB. Shouldn’t we just call him a LH hitter instead of a switch hitter? Does it matter that he turns and hits from the other side of the plate?

by sggut95 on Jun 30, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was actually

looking at his BABIP to see if he’d just been unlucky against lefties (hence my mentioning his expected BABIP).

by jwiscarson on Jun 30, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with TM

but then again it’s not like he went out on a limb or had any original ideas in that column… nothing groundbreaking here.

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jun 30, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you feel

the need to wash your mouth out with soap? (asuming you said that aloud)

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jun 30, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

but I do have the shakes all of a sudden…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
www.ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Jun 30, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

DTs?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jun 30, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

isn’t that common sense?

Dino Radja >>> Soft Nowitzki

by Longhorn on Jun 30, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought

Ramirez looked pretty comfortable behind the plate last night.

by sggut95 on Jun 30, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Ditto

I was thinking the same thing.

Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Jun 30, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think we can all agree

that we want to keep…

hurley
kinsler
rupe
hamilton

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jun 30, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd like to add

Chris Davis to that list. Even if Smoak takes over eventually at first, Davis could probably be capable in a corner outfield spot. That 40 homer potential is hard to let go.

by sggut95 on Jun 30, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ageed Davis and i think Ramirez

need to be added to that list. As for Bradley I just don’t know. I really think MadMax will shine in that sub roll C/DH/1B and if that’s the case Bradley needs to go. Along with Byrd so Cruz and JMJ can audition for 3rd/4th outfielder spots.

I’m willing for this team to take some lumps in 2009 because they’re so young and target 2010. Trade everyone you can/should if good deals come along.

by Hull Fan on Jun 30, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Rupe...

but I don’t think he belongs on that list.

The 5 guys I keep at all cost are…

1) Hamilton
2) Kinsler
3) Davis
4) BGL
5) Hurley

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 30, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see this horrible “Crash” nickname which some people are trying to weld to Chris Davis die a quick and quiet death. yuck

by shroomer on Jun 30, 2008 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

No doubt!

it sux

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jun 30, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

One other thing to add to the list....

Figure out a way to get an Ace. I doubt that fits as a corollary of the trade Cat bullet, but maybe the Salty bullet with others.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jun 30, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Try

To pry Matt Cain away from the Giants? (No way they’re dealing Lincecum.)

by sggut95 on Jun 30, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Matt Cain for...

Blalock, JMJ, and Teagarden or Laird plus a lower level pitching prospect…?

by octoberty on Jun 30, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Laird AND Teagarden?

I think it would be kind of stupid to give them both up in the same deal, don’t you?

by LSJ on Jun 30, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Giants

Just drafted Buster Posey. Should be ready pretty quick, and have Bengie Molina warming his seat. I think it would probably take Chris Davis or Ramirez, Beavan or Hurley, and a lesser prospect like Arias. Giants would probably love Duran instead of Arias, too.

by sggut95 on Jun 30, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think much bigger...

Cain would cost a lot more than that.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 30, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If poochie agrees with the team not being buyers and selling off some pieces, then i really don’t know what to think.

i’m starting to question everything i’ve ever believed in.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jun 30, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow...

I’m sorry, but this guy deserves another shot.

Cruz hit another bomb today. His #’s are now…

.352 / .453 / .705 with 24 HR’s and a 59/47 K/BB ratio. He also has 18 SB’s.

Holy shit this guy is going nuts this year. A 1.157 OPS and Slugging over .700. Are you fucking kidding me. Byrd and Cat need to be gone in a month and Nelson needs another shot. Make it happen JD.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 30, 2008 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I could still be wrong

Or turn out wrong, but I thought he’d bust the traces this year or next. Remains to be seen, and yeah, I’d sure like to see.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jul 1, 2008 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Diamond and Poveda...

were both hit hard today and Clinton pounded out 26 hits.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 30, 2008 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Kirkman/Castillo

In light of what the Clinton staff said, it’s interesting that Castillo was back pitching one inning in relief and Kirkman was moved into the rotation.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 1, 2008 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

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