Draft open thread 2
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 5, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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and he's a lefty!
leftys rule!
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
As bad as we sucked last year
How come we couldn’t be two spots higher?
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
smoak
ok now i’m REALLY hoping for smoak
i’ve been real high on him, but didnt ever imagine he’d fall.
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
I blame baseball america, mayo, and the likes
for building up my hopes when i never thought he would be there in the first place
wallace
is a guy id be interested in IF smoak is gone
the more i read about him the more i likehim
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
give me
Friedrich/Wallace/Smoak
probably Friedrich first.
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
houston
maybe they like cashner because they heard nolan liked him
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
actually i want martin
im a sucker for pitchers with high upside. smoak would be great but i want martin
crow
“best chance to become a number 1”
sigh
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
Smoak or Martin would be nice
I really wanted Crow though
dont forget hicks
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
Smoak or martin
good prospects, but man, Crow would have been awesome.
Now I hope that the scap loading thing they were talking about was real.
Do they still feel like they have to take 5 mins?
It is out of top 5 now lol
Smoak has to
be next. he’s the best on the board. Its amazing how quickly I feel in love with Crow. At least I live in DC and will be able to watch him develop.
"Purity of heart is to will one thing" - Kierkegaard
this has to be smoak
otherwise they are just dumb. cant believe no one will fall
update on scheppers
Will Carroll (11:57:25 AM PT): Hey, look, I can apparently post here. Lots of interesting rumors flying later in the draft but right now the most interesting to me is all the talk around Scheppers.
Kevin Goldstein (11:58:15 AM PT): Will, The Scheppers thing is weird—could go as high as to Seattle at 20, could be out of the first three rounds.
Will Carroll (12:02:45 PM PT): To bring people up to speed, Scheppers medicals have been cleared for Seattle to take him. That’s confirmed with multiple sources. Whether they will or not remains to be seen. I’ve talked to several people with picks behind and ahead of SEA and NO ONE is even looking at him. One said “My doctor would kill me if we even mentioned this guy.” There’s lots of Tim Stauffer and Rice pitcher comps being thrown around, though I don’t know much about Scheppers as a pitcher.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
WE NEED MORE PICKS!!!
or rain…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
hell yes
wow they are fucking dumb
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
castro!?!?
houston did something stupid!
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
SMOAK!!!!!!!
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
AHHHHHHH
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
JD
if you dont take smoak,you are dead to me
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
smoak or wallace or martin
whose it gonna be
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Well this should be interesting
Lets see who they go with. I’m still on the Friedrich bandwagon though
Holy shit
everyone in my office is wondering why in the hell I just shouted “Thank you, Houston!”
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
i want smoak
but i bet they go martin….another upside pitcher
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
smoak
Will Carroll (12:05:44 PM PT): Nats pass on Smoak too? KG, is there any makeup issue here? Demands? Something in the scouting report or is he just Rick Porcello?
Kevin Goldstein (12:07:43 PM PT): It’s a mystery Will. He doesn’t want a ton of money, there are no makeup issues. He just seems to be everyone’s plan B and they’re getting their Plan A guys. Reds seem to be the only team that had Alonso ahead of him.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
I'm glad we have our catchers
so many reaches lol
Way to go, Stros!
Fantastic. They took the one player we didn’t need.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
Wow
Smoak, Martin, Hicks or Wallace would all make me happy.
Especially Smoak, though.
The 40 trumps all!!!
Smoak, Hicks, or Martin
I think Smoak is the best option. It’s at least the lowest risk option with decent upside.
Smoak Smoak Smoak
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
I heard "Jason"
and I was thinking – “wait, there are no great players named ‘Jason’”
SMOAK!!!!!!!!!
Smoak
can’t imagine going another way… could he move to 3rd base?
"Purity of heart is to will one thing" - Kierkegaard
No
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by LSBUser on Jun 5, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
its not a guarantee
martin would be just fine with me, but they should take smoak, bpa.
has anyone seen our farm system this year?
unless it was a college player with ace-ness (crow), then it needs to be best available. 2nd and 3rd round can be pitchers.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
You don't draft for need
You draft the best player available. That guy is Smoak.
Kevin Goldstein (12:10:37 PM PT): 10. Astros—Jason Castro, C, Stanford.
Are you f-ing kidding me? Words can not describe how dumb this is. They just can’t. I’m utterly speechless. At least I get to rip Houston’s drafts once again. I’m rambling to myslef here it total disbelief.
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
smoak
the one thing that has me thinking he’s the pick is they were rumored to be into hicks but didnt think he’d be there.
cant imagine they thought smoak would be
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
smoak
Kevin Goldstein (11:04:57 AM PT): Who’s Cook—Is there a new guy? I think a lot of that is going to depend on who goes where and what kind of paths players have. I think Smoak is a total monster and he could cruise through the minors.
Kevin Goldstein (11:13:04 AM PT): Nick Schaefer (London): How does one decide between Smoak and Alonso if given the choice?
Smoak has numerous advantages—switch-hitter, far superiour defensive player, doesn’t have issues vs. LHP.
Bryan Smith (11:37:58 AM PT): Before the Giants pick, let me say that I think Justin Smoak is a better fit for this organization than Posey. Steven alluded to it a bit earlier—they need absolute impact bats. I like Buster Posey a ton, and I think he’s a sure-fire Major Leaguer. But absolute best case scenario is probably late 90s Jason Kendall, and we’ve all seen the other comparisons thrown around. Smoak has the potential to lead the Major Leagues in home runs and win Gold Gloves. Position scarcity shouldn’t concern a Giants team that is weak at every position offensively.
Kevin Goldstein (11:57:32 AM PT): I like Alonso a lot, but no way, no way at ALL he should go over Smoak. I don’t get that at all. Somebody is going to get a steal with Smoak. By the way, Steve Phillips is TOTALLY right here, sign out of high school kids. Way better for your career.
Kevin Goldstein (12:05:09 PM PT): Washington takes Crow, and they’ll pay the frieght, and that’s a GREAT pick at 9. Not as great as whoever takes Smoak, but I GUARANTEE that the A’s are holding their breath right now, hoping that Houston and Texas find a way to screw this up.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Hard to tell what the Rangers will do....
They like up-the-middle high-upside players… That would be either Hicks or Martin.
But Smoak has serious pop, an advanced approach, and is about as good of a bet to hit the majors as you’ll find.
cmon smoak
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
YESS
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
praise jeebus
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
fuck yes.
SMOAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
YES!!!
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
If both Crow and Smoak were available, I'd have still taken Smoak. Would you?
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
You love him so much
You don’t even know his name
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by LSBUser on Jun 5, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, extend
Ed Wade so we can reap the benefits.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
THANK YOU ED WADE!
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
cant believe he lasted this long
great pick, great pick
Smart move
Simply put take the best player available and they did. No mistake.
smoak bitches!
i’ve been high on him all along, and liked him over hosmer even (sorry dirkatron)
he’s our new teix hopefully without the douchiness
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
heh
Joe Sheehan (12:10:37 PM PT): Jason Castro over Smoak? Over Friedrich? KG, is this just being conservative?
Will Carroll (12:10:38 PM PT): Didn’t the Astros take a catcher not long ago in the first? Does picking someone at the same position in the next year or so send a message of “bust?” (Aside from pitcher, of course.)
Steven Goldman (12:10:49 PM PT): Correction… The Astros did that vis a vis Towles, not that Towles has impressed anyone with this .140 batting average.
Kevin Goldstein (12:11:48 PM PT): Ok. Here’s the thing. Castro is a really nice catcher, don’t get me wrong. But that’s a late first round talent and JUSTIN SMOAK IS STILL ON THE BOARD. Maybe the Astros just didn’t notice this.
Bryan Smith (12:11:51 PM PT): Castro hit .167/.287/.225 as a sophomore at Stanford, and he was pretty much forgotten about. But again, for the fifth time in ten picks, you have a guy that got noticed in the Cape Cod League and followed it up with a great spring. For the record, he threw out 28 of 69 this year for a 40% success rate, so that’s pretty good. He should hit for some average, some power, and I doubt he’ll walk very much. A weird pick.
Kevin Goldstein (12:13:51 PM PT): Andy (TX): OH my GOD!! Castro??? What the is Wade thinking?
I’ll let Andy speak for legions of Astros fans.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
so what happens when chris davis and max is still playing
for the rangers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA
Thanks
BAD Radio!!!!
8for the audio
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Smoak 'em if you got em!
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Oh, yeah
I never expected this guy to last this long.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Completely agree.
Let the other teams (Astros) make the mostake and take the best player avaialable.
Chipper comp
Will Carroll (12:14:54 PM PT): Jamey Newberg is a very happy guy right now. Maybe by the time Smoak is ready, the Rangers will have … wow, Chipper Jones? Gammons … wow … ok, maybe the Rangers will have their C/1B/DH situation figured out.
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
Smoak = Zito?
“The A’s nearly signed Smoak out of high school in 2005, missing out on agreeing to terms by a reported $50,000 difference.”
from KG's chat yesterday
it was “much much more” than that
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
from BP
Joe Sheehan (12:14:50 PM PT): Rangers take Smoak. KG, any furniture flying in Oaktown?
Will Carroll (12:14:54 PM PT): Jamey Newberg is a very happy guy right now. Maybe by the time Smoak is ready, the Rangers will have … wow, Chipper Jones? Gammons … wow … ok, maybe the Rangers will have their C/1B/DH situation figured out.
Kevin Goldstein (12:15:33 PM PT): I’m still totally floored, by what Houston did. I know I shouldn’t be at this point with the Astros.
11. Rangers—Justin Smoak, 1b, South Carolina.
Congrats Rangers fans, you just found your replacement for Mark Teixeira. Just a crazy, crazy steal. The Rangers could have picked fourth or fifth and not done better.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
just insane
best possible scenario i could hope for
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
goldestein
“Congrats Rangers fans, you just found your replacement for Mark Teixeira. Just a crazy, crazy steal. The Rangers could have picked fourth or fifth and not done better.”
Gerald Laird is my hero.
That just became about 20 people's signatures
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
Now
For what team does Smoak make his ML debut?
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by LSBUser on Jun 5, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
Why was Piazza picked 1 millionth?
It’s not an exact science?
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by LSBUser on Jun 5, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
slipped for unknown reasons
was expected to be the 1st college 1b off the board IIRC
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
BP number II
Steven Goldman (12:16:45 PM PT): Kevin, what does this pick do to Chris Davis (.333/.376/.618 at Frisco this year)? Will he be able to stay at third?
Kevin Goldstein (12:16:48 PM PT): Oakland is not happy right now. They spent a lot of time trying to figure out sceanarios where Smoak or Gordon Beckham dropped to them, and that just almost happened. They’ll get their Plan B in Weeks, and then things get really fun.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
I don;t think so
They may have to give him more $$ and no ML contract.
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
as fast as it is
It could still create some problems for the Rule V draft this offseasn and for next year since they go into next year with 2 dead spots on the 40 man.
I think it will
work itself out. For example, I think Teagarden gets traded before the 40 becomes an issue.
2nd Round
Now that we picked a guy that doesn’t require a huge bonus could we go way over slot and take someone in the 2nd round that falls?
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
BRING IT ON!!!
Oh yeah, Fuck Josey Wales!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Law
Looking forward to his analysis. JD’s preaching to the choir there, he’s a huge fan.
Go Strangers.
from the KLaw:
This is the best pick in the draft so far. Smoak is the third-best player on my board. He’s a switch-hitting Adrian Gonzalez with more power. In the Rangers’ ballpark, he has a good chance to hit 40 home runs, if he develops. There are no major holes in his game. I saw this scenario possibly unfolding last night. A lot of things had to go right for them to get Smoak, and they did.
Smoak
now sign him quick and get him in the system, give him whatever he wants
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
i think within 2 yrs he’ll be there. this guys going to move fast like braun, longoria, etc
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
Smoak... YES!!!
I can’t believe he slipped to us… GREAT pick!!!!
Can he pitch?
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
I think
we really have the giants to thank for taking posey, and then the reds for going high on alonso
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
Houston
Especially the Reds, but grief Houston…wow.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 5, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok so...
I guess this means Davis is headed back to 3rd? Or what?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
who cares
they’ll figure something out
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
True I guess...
But I like Davis and he’s closer to being ready… so whadda we do?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
Then
where does Hammy play? He can’t stay in CF forever.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
I can see that, I suppose
let’s hope Borbon makes that all work out well. Great OF.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
No
Davis isn’t going back to 3B. He’ll stay at 1B, Smoak will play 1B for Spokane or Bakersfield this summer, and we’ll see where we are after 2009.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 5, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Smoak might be a better candidate for DH.
He’s average at 1B, according to scouting reports.
the word "gold glove" was uttered on the espn broadcast
not that that means anything..
Gerald Laird is my hero.
I'm glad I had gotten the wrong impression from milb.com.
I still have a hard time believing he fell to the Rangers.
read what BP had to say about him
its on here somewhere i posted it
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
1b
really? i was hearing gold glove defense
"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum
Davis
He will make it to Arlington before Smoak and since he can play RF he should stay at 1B until Smoak is ready. Then move to RF.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why would he move to RF
With the crowd we’re gonna have there for the next couple of years?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
And who would that be?
Hamilton should still be in center and no offense to JMJ but Davis is better. You could stick him at DH which is fine but one place he aint going to is back to 3B. He was really really bad there.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Scheppers
Its reported hes going to Seattle in the 1st.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Weeks
seems like a bit of a reach here for Oakland.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
KLaw Says
This is the riskiest pick so far. He can’t play anywhere but second base in the infield, so he has to hit well enough to be a major league regular. He’s a plus runner; he needs to be more contact-oriented with wood. With metal, he’s too pull-oriented, and he’ll have to adjust that. He has a better chance to be a plus defender at second base than his brother, Rickie Weeks.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
O man
I’m practically laughing. It’s like a paragraph-long euphemism.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 5, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
scheppers in the 3rd
not the 2nd, i think some more people will slide and i want a pitcher like devall (doubtful), lobstein, tim murphy, etc or a toolsy outfielder like galloway if he is still there.
Scheppers to Seattle at 20!
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
i think they are gonna take him
still
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
re: davis vs smoak
Steven Goldman (12:16:45 PM PT): Kevin, what does this pick do to Chris Davis (.333/.376/.618 at Frisco this year)? Will he be able to stay at third?
Kevin Goldstein (12:18:43 PM PT): Steve—one is 1b and one is DH
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Rangers
These things have a way of working themselves. Smoak won’t be up till at least 2010 so it’s not something to really worry about right now.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
no way
Freidrich falls to us in round 2…. right?
- "If you keep hitting me you're going to break my spirit" -Bullwinkle
Melville has said he wanted to go in the 10-15 slots.
If he’s there in the 2nd round, do you take him and pay two guys like they’re top 10?
I would, yes
But then again I’m a huge proponent in spending big in player development.
I think it makes a ton more sense to spend a couple million each year to improve your farm system rather than throw around 2-5 million dollar contracts to veteran spares to fill out your roster.
The 40 trumps all!!!
yeah, me and you are firm believers in that theory.
i think the rangers are getting better at it.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
most def
no wway he falls that far IMO
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark