Draft Open Thread 4
by Brett Perryman on Jun 5, 2008 6:35 PM CDT
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what a shock
a player no one has heard of. They’re like Oakland in Moneyball without drafting talent
well to be fair to the astros
i havnt heard of anyone since the second round. until danks gets taken.
Bring up Justin Smoak
Better known as Trent Steele
I wanted him just so I could make “He’s Max Power’s oldest and closest friend” jokes.
The 40 trumps all!!!
Wieland on BA
“The Reno area is gaining a reputation for developing pitchers, but Wieland stands out as the top righthander to come out of the area that in the last few years has produced Rays minor leaguer Jake McGee (out of high school) and Cole Rohrbough (Braves, out of Western Nevada CC). Wieland has impressed scouts with his combination of now stuff, clean arm and projectable frame. He was outstanding in all, sitting at 88-91 mph with his fastball and reminding scouts of Mark Prior with his command and has more deception in his delivery. He’s maintained that velocity this spring and reportedly has flashed better velocity, with most reports having him bumping 92 regularly. He’s shown the ability to spin a breaking ball despite Reno’s thin air and flashed a changeup. He’s signed as a two-way player to San Diego State but figures to sign if taken in the second-to-fourth round range.”
Projected #93.
scouting report
While he doesn’t belong in the discussion of elite pitchers in this Draft class, Wieland does have some pretty good pitchability. Not too many high schoolers can throw their breaking ball for strikes at will, but count Wieland among the few. With the ability to command his fastball and a feel for a change, the wiry right-hander is the kind of high schooler who could move fairly well through a system and emerge as a back-of-the-rotation type in the future
I like the sounds of a guy
that has decent velocity, and can control his pitches. we’ll see.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
I had the opposite reaction
He sounds really promising to me, though he also sounds like someone who could go to school. I hope they get him signed. This looks like a antastic draft so far for the Rangers.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 5, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
We have gotten value
according to every ranking I have seen, with every pick so far. Very nice draft.
I'm giving JD a ton of credit for this one
Last year, people said it was only a great draft because of all the picks, but with having no extra picks this time around, he has done a great job so far.
and JD will give
a lot of credit to Hopkins and the rest of the scouting staff. One of his better leadership qualities.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
MLB says
he’s a mid rotation at the best case, control oriented not much projection.
sounds ok, nothing great or special
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
but 3 of our top 4 picks are pitchers, 3 are lefties and Smoak as the icing on the cake.
if KC signs Melville im gonna be mad but what are ya gonna do?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
*2 are lefties
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
yeah prob not
but that didnt stop me from being mad when we didnt draft harvey or porcello last season. rationalization of business of baseball just gets me riled up
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
see
I’m not so sure about that.
He went from high 80s his junior year to about 92 this year. 6’3”, I think there’s at least some projection left.
Yeah
And I doubt that many HS arms taken in this range who do turn out to be top guys are identified as so at the time. I like the puzzle pieces on him.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 5, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
you won't find a "top of the rotation"
kid at this point in the draft, unless they are a very, very tough sign. if he has a 92 mph FB, a plus curve, and strong command, I wouldn’t write him off just yet.
Wieland
taken 94 overall in the minorleagueball mock
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Weiland
HS pitcher who already has good control of a curveball and is working on his change-up already. If he can get his fastball to be a bit better, that sounds like a pretty good pick for a 4th rounder.
Just watched the video on Weiland
I’m a fan of his mechanics. Pretty clean. I wish he threw a little harder, but this is the 4th round. He has a nice pitcher’s frame and could conceivably add a little to his fastball and be a steal.
Loving this draft.
The 40 trumps all!!!
as someone else stated
he gained a few mph on his FB this past year, there may still be a little projection left.
That's his main problem
he was throwing 92 at mid-season. That’s why people were talking about him as a first round pick
ok im convinced
the vid looks solid. good size, gaining mph, control of breaking ball.
another good pick =)
Bring up Justin Smoak
Who's still out there?
Has anyone taken Isaac Golloway?
I can’t find a record of him getting drafted.
That would be a crazy 5th rounder.
Jordan Danks would be sweet as well.
The 40 trumps all!!!
Jordan Danks
I also like Jacob Thompson out of Virginia here. A lot of deception, uses his height well.
Ike is still there
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Save for my heartache
from not landing Weatherford, this has been one hell of a draft. I’m off to dinner. As firebat would say, nobody stays for the fifth round.
Also
another guy I think you’d at least take a look at.
Kyle Long, the song of Howie long.
Huge lefty, hits 96, 97.
Ugly arm action
after he releases the ball. Mechanics don’t seem very refined. But there’s a lot to like physically and there’s obviously some talent as well as massive room for projection there.
The 40 trumps all!!!
At the Bruce Springsteen concert last month in Charlottesville
Met Chris Long. Cool kid.
I really dislike bumrushing celebs, especially ones I am ambivalent about, but I was with my boss who is a UVA alum, and of course, a big booster (in his mind anyway), when Chris and his hott were right behind us at will call. So he’s blathering in Long’s ear, and to his credit (we were prolly the 39th group of yahoos to approachass him), he’s very very nice and gracious.
By boss’s wife gave me a reproachful mock-smack after, because I warned the hott to be on her best behavior, lest she fumble her first class ticket on the gravy train. Thing is, I wish we could have pulled Chris aside and scolded “Son, don’t be a fool! Stay single till you retire!”
I’ve never, never understood why a young pro athlete would get married. Vasectomy at 22, reverse at 38.
One other noteworthyism: I’m 6’3, 235 pounds of pure semi-out-of-shapedness. And obviously, Master Long would put me through some sheetrock, if situation be arisin. Nevertheless, he is not very big in person. Other than calves that would make Popeye cry himself to sleep on his huge pillow, he barely seemed bigger than me.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
Something tells me that
if orangebloods.com says Danks wants to stay at Texas, it would be good to take that with a grain of salt. At least if their approach to football carries over to baseball.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 5, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
That would track
it would explain why no one has taken a shot at him in the 3rd-4th range.
The 40 trumps all!!!
5th round
3b Chris Dominguez from Louisville is still there. I’d love to take a chance on him in the 5th. Guy will stick at 3rd and, though inconsistent, still has really good potential.
Galloway would be nice as well. Or one of those HS pitchers still floating around like Webb, Maronde, or Brett Marshall.
Danks
heres what i read for those who wanted to know…
Danks could get interesting. The former first round pick out of Round Rock High School will likely be selected around the third round, but even that might not be enough to get the junior out of a burnt orange uniform. It’s going to take seven digits to steal Danks away from Austin, and if he sticks to his guns, not a penny less. Will he get the deal he’s looking for? It will come down to which team selects him, and if they want to pay over the slotted price. Shockingly, Danks returning to Austin is actually realistic.
from orangebloods.com
I can see Danks staying
Unlike most juniors, he has a legit chance to improve his status next year. Pretty much everything at UT baseball was off this year, if they come back stronger next year and Danks leads the way, he may move into the first couple of rounds.
I would take this with a big grain of salt...
Jordan Danks was never a first round pick. JOHN Danks was a first round pick as some of you may know, however JORDAN had a firm commitment to UT coming out of high school and told teams he would most likely be going to school. As a result, the chicago white sox were the team that selected him… in the 19th round, lol. If someone was already questioning the validity of this website I would have to say this is little more than third-rate gossip by a wanna be blogger.
Trevor May
HS pitcher phillies just got looks pretty good. no clue what his velocity is though, nice motion
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Is he worth 1M? I know he has all the talent in the world, super toolsy but...
Whats your opinion Fire?
So she can produce us
some more Danks’s? Or just for her milfy-ness?
by Brett Perryman on Jun 5, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
there are a couple high school kids left
who have stated in some form it would be really really tough if not impossible to sign who are still there. meyer and grey, a couple others are around but i dont think there are any overpay slot no brainers left.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Ike Golloway
Production hasn’t matched tools, but those tools are pretty ridiculous for the 5th round.
The 40 trumps all!!!
Kevin Goldstein (5:04:35 PM PT): Ben (Dallas): So besides the obvious stellar pick of Smoak at 11, how is the Rangers Draft looking so far? To me it seems that the pitcher all have clean mechanics, have atleast some projectabiliy left and do the little things. The Lefties in the 2nd and 3rd really help address the lack of orginizational depth in that department. What are you guys take?
The Smoak pick pretty much makes the draft. They could pass after that and have a good draft. I’m not a huge Ross fan, but that’s a personal bias against height, and I’ve been burned on that at times. Murphy has little ceiling, but if he’s a fifth-starter in two years I won’t be shocked. Wieland is a high school guy, but also more polish than power.
Really liking the KC draft...liked Lamb
MY question made it!!
Ben (Dallas): So besides the obvious stellar pick of Smoak at 11, how is the Rangers Draft looking so far? To me it seems that the pitcher all have clean mechanics, have atleast some projectabiliy left and do the little things. The Lefties in the 2nd and 3rd really help address the lack of orginizational depth in that department. What are you guys take?The Smoak pick pretty much makes the draft. They could pass after that and have a good draft. I’m not a huge Ross fan, but that’s a personal bias against height, and I’ve been burned on that at times. Murphy has little ceiling, but if he’s a fifth-starter in two years I won’t be shocked. Wieland is a high school guy, but also more polish than power.
yeah Lamb looked pretty good in my non pro scouting world.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Another Murphy!
Clark!
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
1700 SAT
hes a smart cookie, plus a lefty. he was trying to pull a bunch from what video i saw. big kid.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
lol
I did a double take on that. Forgot they added another section to the SAT’s. Thought for a second we might have a missile-building buddy for BT.
The 40 trumps all!!!
Anyone got a scouting report?
The swing looks good on video, and 12hrs/11sb seems like might be a pretty nice speed/power combo.
Anyone know how he’s projected defensively? Body type looks like COF for sure.
The 40 trumps all!!!
Rivals lists him as a COFer
Fallbrook (CA) Fallbrook
Ht/Wt: 6-foot-3/200
Bats/Throws: Left/Left
GPA: 3.8
SAT: 1700
Draft: 2008
soft verbal to UCLA
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
His scouting video consists overwhelmingly of batting practice whiffage and intra-cage fouls
Funny…
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
Clark Murphy
Clark Murphy 1B OF
Height: 6-3 Weight: 200
Gun Reading from Position
OF: 84 IF: 1B: C: Pop Time:
Fast Ball Velocity:
60 yd: 40 yd: Track Conditions: Fast Track
PG Rating: 9.5 [?] PG ReportClark Murphy is a 2008 OF/1B with a 6’3’’, 200 lb. frame from Fallbrook, CA who attends Fallbrook Union HS. Strong build, pro profile body. Premium hitting history/plus power, has made recent radical swing changes, just isn’t working as planned, big time natural hitting tools when he gets straightened out, solid corner outfield defender, strong accurate arm, Excellent student, Verbal to UCLA.
"My goal is to play professional baseball," Murphy said. "If I get a good opportunity, that’s what I want to do. But if I don’t, UCLA is a great place to be."
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
http://www.sdhoc.com/main/articles/highschools/Murphyaflac
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Another
Clark Murphy is a 2008 1B/OF from Fallbrook HS, residing in Fallbrook, CA, with a 6’3” 195 lb. frame. Selected for Top Prospect list. Body – strong, physical, room to fill out, square, sturdy. Offense – strong hands, lively hands, old school hitter, plus bat speed, hands fire easily, plus raw power, easy pull power, clears hips, centers ball, plus carry, spins off bat, good eye, does not chase, can hit, impact bat. Defense – good set-up, good feet, has some feel, decent arm, solid 1B, could move to corner OF spot. Must follow, high impact bat, premium hitter.
Thinking that too
WTF do you mean they did a spectacular job covering my ass!!! I dont think these guys would say a bad thing about Charles Manson!!!
People spam Goldstein with Murphy questions...he wont answer me!!
Kevin Goldstein (5:36:50 PM PT): Greg (Pequannock, NJ): Kevin, is it really fair to give the Rangers credit for taking Smoak?
What am I supposed to do? Say the Rangers had a bad draft because Smoak fell in their lap?
Well
from his profile on his college’s web site:
The person that would most likely play him in a movie about his life would be Wesley Snipes…
So at least we know he’s black and won’t have a Wes Littleton moment when he appears in the bigs.
The 40 trumps all!!!
actually
the dude, strangely enough, is white: http://www.fgcu.edu/athletics/baseball/album/bleier.jpg
Good size
with low 90s fastball and average secondary stuff. Projected by some to go between 4th-8th round. Former Atlantic Sun Conf. Pitcher of the Year.
Say that differently
he understands the value of pitching depth in a week when his top two starters went on personal leave and the rest of his projected rotation is on the DL or on the WTF list (Gabbard).
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
From the Red Sox Tamoa Bay brawl
Coco Criso avoiding James Shields right cross.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/gallery/enlargePhoto?id=3428110&story=3428091
"The path you choose, you also choose its destination..."
Damn
I hoped Shields would have broken his jaw.
by BillyBobisdrunk on Jun 5, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
+100
After seeing the clips from both last night and tonight Crisp ranks #2 behind sexson as the biggest punks in baseball right now. Thats was a gutless and unprovoked slide and a weak charge that almost got him knocked on his asz if he didnt hesitate. He didnt get hit that hard and not only was the pitch premeditated, which everyone had to know was coming, but he went up there with the intention of starting a brawl. Take your base and learn how to slide you pansy.
oh well
I am just broken up that I will never see Smoak sit next to Danks in a beautiful confluence of last names…
Bleier's stats
Albeit against questionable competition, but he had a 2.09 ERA with only 17 walks and 2 HRs allowed in 90 innings. I like the sound of that.
and now that i am back
let me just say that i am very glad to see a “clark” in the system. and 12 HRs in just 78 ABs is pretty nice. He sounds like a project and a bit of a boom or bust type. Could be Lars Anderson, could be out of the game in two years.
This may have been mentioned in the game thread
but did anyone see John Hart in the draft room sitting right next to Nolan Ryan?
Someone had to
get the sandwiches and tip the delivery boy.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
whoever was making the decisions today
be it EGS, Nolan, or Hopkins, did a hell of a job. I cannot every remember thinking so highly of so many players taken later on the first day. I am probably as excited this year as I was last year. Of course, a lot of that just has to do with Smoak.
agreed
mark my words. This draft will be much bigger than 07.
- "If you keep hitting me you're going to break my spirit" -Bullwinkle
Interesting news article
Robbie Ross’s situation was different. His bargaining price before the draft was $1.575 million.
"I was sort of shocked because I thought what I was asking for was something of an issue," he said. "I thought that might scare off a lot of teams, and I was worried I might not go until the later rounds.
"But then out of the blue, Texas took me. They kind of popped out of nowhere. I hadn’t been talking to them at all. So it was really surprising."
Ross said he will leave it up to his advisers — Dustin and Hunter Bledsoe of Allegiant Management in Tennessee — to talk with the Rangers.
"I really don’t know if they can work things out or not," Ross said. "I hope so. I guess time will tell. But I’m excited either way. If I get the money and sign or if I go play at Kentucky, I’ve got a great opportunity either way.
"I’m leaving it in God’s hands, and he’ll direct me to the right path."
Chuck Ross realized his son was "a big ticket item."
"I was hoping the Yankees or Boston would take Robbie," he said. "Now we’re hoping the Rangers want to pay what we’re asking. We’ve got a lot to work out to make a final agreement."
Scouting Report
RHP Matt Thompson, Arlington Grace Prep: He has committed to TCU, but with a 93 mph fastball along with a good changeup and slider, he might go pro.
Any1 around to check out day 2?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Chris Joyce was a lefty that the dodgers just snagged.
great pick 4 pitches is a lefty and a highschooler who knows how to use his pitches
wish we had gotten him.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Corey Young
lhp Seton Hall
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
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