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Sidney Ponson designated for assignment

Holy crap.

The latest from Evan Grant:

The Texas Rangers have cut ties with Sidney Ponson for what GM Jon Daniels called "disrespectful and adverse reactions to situation unbecoming of teammates." He has officially been designated for assignment. The club has 10 days to trade or release him.

He flipped out after the second inning in the game on Wednesday, supposedly, which may have something to do with this.

More as it develops...

UPDATE -- From the S-T:

"We don't feel Sidney deserves to be here or wants to be here," Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said. Daniels wouldn't get into specifics of what Ponson did to warrant the move. Daniels said the Rangers would look to a starter on the Triple A roster to take Ponson's place in the rotation. Ponson, signed in spring training, has been one of Texas' most reliable starters. He was 4-1 with a 3.88 ERA. His last start came on three-days rest and the Rangers made three errors behind him in the field. "We talked to him and we're not going to get into details other than to see we're clearly trying to put together a team here, in a true sense of the word," Daniels said. "Twenty five guys pulling on the same end of the rope. Based on some recents comments and other such things, it was pretty clear that he did not want to be part of that and it's something we're not going to tolerate." Daniels said Ponson did not violate a team rule. "We want guys that want to be here, want to be part of building this thing the right way," Daniels said. "They're going to be pulling for their teammates, be part of the organization, be part of it. Not guys that are here for their own interest."

And SaltyGoesYard is right...this photo is apropos:

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via mlb.mlb.com

Hasta la vista, baby...

 

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lol

i wouldve gotten pissed too after the defense in that inning.

by kumizi on Jun 6, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

But no matter, there must have been more than the on the field disgust. I didn’t see this one coming.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jun 6, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well theres a shocking development

woooooooooo more mathis.

Bring up Justin Smoak

by DSheppard on Jun 6, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Mendoza

He went 4 perfect innings yesterday. He may end up coming back.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 6, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

almost equally uninspiring to me

but true i suppose.

Bring up Justin Smoak

by DSheppard on Jun 6, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I'm super king kong mega, mega pumped

about Mendoza, but it’s hard to say that anyone is even close to as uninspiring out there on the mound as Mathis is.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 6, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best thing thats happened so far

the sir sidney bitch has always been a bitch and thinks he’s better than he is maybe now we can make a trade for a actually good pitcher.

by iorange555 on Jun 6, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

say bitch again...

To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball

by ivysafety39 on Jun 6, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That didn’t take long…..this definitely puts a damper on whatever trade value that scrub had…..Doug Mathis time

"Congrats Rangers fans, you just found your replacement for Mark Teixeira. Just a crazy, crazy steal." -Goldstein

by Plum on Jun 6, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

whatever they could have gotten for him in a trade is…gone.

“we got the worst staff in baseball. we don’t want this pitcher on our team. oh yeah, he did something so bad it calls into question his character. what would you give for him?”

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jun 6, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed....

That the defense was horrible, but you can’t call your teamates out like that on the field.

You can really tell this team is having fun…we do not need a debbie downer bringing them down.

by clinton33 on Jun 6, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HUH?

this might sound bad, but cant you try and downplay the situation and try and trade him under the radar. This kills any value he built up this season

by rchawk12 on Jun 6, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it also...

...kills his chances of getting signed by someone else after we can’t trade him me thinks.

To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball

by ivysafety39 on Jun 6, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i doubt his value was particularly high.

the guy had had a 1.56 whip and 71 hits in 55 2/3 innings.

his ERA is a fluke.

Bring up Justin Smoak

by DSheppard on Jun 6, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really think he had any value...

JD would have worked the phones before cutting ties with him.

Other GMs know what he is…

He has had a few good starts, but he is a bum that put on a nice suit….under that suit he is still a bum, and it will eventually show.

Nobody would give anything of value for him….not to mention depend on him to win meaningful games.

by clinton33 on Jun 6, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow crazy

JD the enforcer.

by Agreen07 on Jun 6, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Surprised, and yet not

Sidney loves to hear his own voice. And he’s a straight-shooter. The D on Wednesday was ugly, but someone above this said it right—you can’t call out your teammates. Especially if you’re a player who didn’t even have a job before March.

Ah well…this saves the headache of making room for Padilla.

by baseballismyboyfriend on Jun 6, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So are we in the market for a Starting Pitcher?

or do we stick with the plan and use Mendoza and Mathis or at some point maybe even Hurley.

by clinton33 on Jun 6, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they have to bring up or trade for someone

cause mathis sucks balls plain and simple.

by iorange555 on Jun 6, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would guess...

...that the Rangers would kick the tires on a no-cost short-term option, but I’m guessing they’ll go from within. Matt Harrison, maybe?

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 6, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't they go Hurley

before Harrison?

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on Jun 6, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surely not.

Harrison > Hurley. More effective right now, and already on the 40.

by Jamey Newberg on Jun 6, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see Harrison

Maybe he gets a look see.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Jun 6, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet again

I forget to take the 40 in question.

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on Jun 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the 40 rules all!

of course, Sidney just blew his 40 spot…

by JBImaknee on Jun 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trumps, not rules

Come on now.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 6, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not Mendoza?

He pitched well last night and I’d think you’d want to give Hurley more time to fix whatever is wrong with him. Harrison hasn’t even started in AAA yet.

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on Jun 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a starting pitcher, Mendoza has a big bag of nothing

However, I don’t think Harrison should be called up. I guess I would go with Luis.

by uthornfan on Jun 6, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I meant it as more of a temporary thing...

If he pitches well, then great. But if not, you give Harrison a few starts, and if he’s tearing up AAA ball, then bring him up. Or Hurley depending. But that would create a royal mess (as if there’s not already one) with the 40.

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on Jun 6, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is Mendoza gets the first shot....

They probably want to see Harrison make a few AAA starts…

Then it probably depends on how Mendoza and Harrison fair in thos e starts.

by clinton33 on Jun 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be my guess as well.

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on Jun 6, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before saying that...

Shouldn’t Harrison get some work in at AAA? Hurley looked awfully good coming out of AA too

by venturafearsnolan on Jun 6, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison

Although he should have been in AAA before now he hasn’t pitched at that level yet. I don’t think hes a candidate right now

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well first off

We are in the market for about 5 starting pitchers and about 6 relievers.

But I get what you mean.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 6, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on Jun 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't wait

To hear josh talk about this tonight lol

by iorange555 on Jun 6, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pitched on 3 days rest

defense gave up 4 unearned runs. i think i’d give the guy a little leeway.

by SteveP on Jun 6, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But still

This is a group that took a big chance on him a few months ago. Regardless of the effort the other night, they deserve at least a little more respect than he apparently was giving them.

by UrbanDad on Jun 6, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it had nothing to do with how he pitched...

Its how he showed up his team after the inning in which 2 errors were made.

If all is fair….If I was Micheal Young, I would sit down cross-legged in the middle of an inning when the pitcher is just getting lit up.

We can’t have people doing that to their teamates.

by clinton33 on Jun 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

I’ve never seen JD act this way, and his quote (per Jamey) that “we don’t feel Sidney deserves to be here or wants to be here” is pretty unusual. I’m going to assume JD had a pretty damn good reason for this. I’ll assume the team and Wash are cool with it too. It sucks but oh well.

JD drinks the Angels milkshake.

by WyoRanger on Jun 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guessing Nolan had something to do with this

Probably bulldogged Ponson and threw him outta the clubhouse.

I don't know Karate...but I know Karazy!

by Clueless on Jun 6, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

This was the general managers decision and his alone. Did he run it by his boss and let him know what was going on…sure. But this was not Nolans doing.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that?

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on Jun 6, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

For one if this had been Nolans doing I can almost assure you his name would have been somewhere in the press release. And two, THATS NOT HIS JOB.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It’s been debated all year how the chain of command is gonna work. I doubt it was Nolan’s decision but I don’t know how you can say for certain it wasn’t.

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on Jun 6, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my guess

Ponson must have done something that the team felt detrimental to Hambone’s mental well being. If this quack pisses on MY, or Worsh, or anybody else, it’s probably forgivable the first couple of times. But , mess w/ the franchise and you get walking papers. And rightfully so.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Jun 6, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ponson

I’m shocked, i didn’t see any onfield incident wednesday but i think i missed the start

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard someone....

Believe it was Eric Nadel comment on it.

by clinton33 on Jun 6, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed this also

and would appreciate any clarification.

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 6, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's really too bad

He was one of the brighter stories for the team this year. Something pretty bad must have triggered this

by JBImaknee on Jun 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Somebody please

Post the JD in sunglasses TERMINATOR over the shoulder stare picture.

IT was born for this thread.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 6, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He yelled at Boggs

for misplaying a ball. I saw it go down.

I don’t know what else happened, but I’m not a fan of the move.

He must have hurt some serious feelings.

by cmkelly29 on Jun 6, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That alone wouldn't do it

It had to be something where either a> he’d be warned before or b> so egregious that anything short of DFA’ing him would be a bad signal to send.

My guess – after the game he physically confronted someone. That is the type of thing that will get you fired no questions asked…

by JBImaknee on Jun 6, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

or offended the delicate sensibilities of the FOTF

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that

was my guess.

by SteveP on Jun 6, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+!

Ponson: "Mike Young FOTF dive damn it!"

JD: "Your fired”

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Jun 6, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Do you think Young’s injured thumb is from a one on one with Sidney?

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jun 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

that woulda been one hell of a thumb wrestling match

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

boo

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jun 6, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah, unless a) you're Rod Barajas

and b) by “physically confront” you mean “punch Ryan Drese in the face in the dugout during a game”.

Cause Buckles basically lauded him for that. It takes a might fine face to punch out your pitcher in the dugout.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 6, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

good ‘ol days.

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 6, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did?

Are you sure it wasn’t Bradley? I don’t remember Boggs misplaying a ball…

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Bradley let one roll right by him in RF.

I was there, but didn’t see anything noteworthy. Of course, I couldn’t even see anything as I was blocked by that wall out there in RF.

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on Jun 6, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley and Young

and the 2nd inning errors. trying to watch it again on mlb.tv, but the archive is screwed up.

by SteveP on Jun 6, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I swear I saw it go down.

It was in LF.

Boggs ran straight for the ball, instead of playing it on a hop off of the wall.

I don’t think it mattered anyway, but I remember seeing Ponson and Boggs discussing something in the dugout.

Am I thinking of the wrong outing?

by cmkelly29 on Jun 6, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

I remember too. Ball hit to alley, and if Boggs took a different route it would have been a single, not a double and RBI.

"The only people who get bored are boring people."

by dstar442005 on Jun 6, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

but that was two starts ago

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 6, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beef is beef

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 6, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reminds me

when the great Ryan Drese got cut out of nowhere for an off field incident.

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on Jun 6, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sir sidney

I find it amusing that word of this broke immediately after Adam posted Fatboy Slim Friday.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jun 6, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Message to the Rest of the Team

I wonder if this was done as a message to the rest of the team. Let’s face it, Ponson was not going to be a part of the Rangers’ plans for next season. They would either ride him out for the rest of the season or trade him; I don’t see an extension for him no matter how well he pitched. I did not see the game in question, so I looked up the game log at B-Ref. There were three errors, committed by Bradley, Kinsler, and Young. Two of these three players are part of the long term plans for this team (who knows, Bradley might even get an extension – I also notice that Boggs is also mentioned in a post above), so maybe this was done to prove that no player is above the team. I’ve had my suspicions about Nolan Ryan in the past (and I am not for one minute saying that this originated with him), and he strikes me as the type of person who does not tolerate this kind of behavior. So when Daniels suggests that drastic measures be taken for whatever Ponson did, I bet Ryan was supporting him the entire time.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan

Why would he have anything to do with this move?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Counter Intuitive

Ostensibly, this is counterintuitive. Why would a team that has been labeled as “all offense, no pitching” for the last few years trade away a cheap pitcher who is playing above all expectations? The casual fan would argue that this does not make sense. Ryan strikes me as the, for lack of a better term, “old school” person who does not appreciate temper tantrums from marginal players (I would guess that he would not tolerate that from any player regardless of their status). For the loyal readers of Randy Galloway, I am guessing that they might be angered by this move because it is a step backward with regards to pitching. However, this was not Daniels acting alone. I believe Ryan fully supported him. If it is good enough for Nolan Ryan, then it should be good enough for the casual fan. Of course, many who post here are not casual fans. I can just see the flood of questions for T.R. Sullivan and Evan Grant as to what the hell Daniels was thinking. He did not act alone, and I hope the realization that Ryan’s consent with this DFA will quell any more talk that “Johnny Boy” should be fired on the spot.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 6, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan

I think this was fully Daniels decision. I think he told Ryan what he was doing but I don’t think Ryan had to approve or put his stamp on this at all. This wasn’t just a player yelling at another player for making an error. This was obviously more than that.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely agreed

It falls to JD concerning players, callups, discipline, etc. His call and his alone and he showed a pair on this move.

Just keep your mask on and umpire the game! - Tom Grieve, 5/25/08

by EssBee on Jun 6, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt

they are throwing him under the bus for any alterior motive than the fact he deserved it.

Whatever his future with the team, Ponson was becoming a key part of the 2008 Rangers, and at worse was looking like he was going to be a nice trade chip, even for something minor. You don’t send a message that jeapordises all of that unless there is a lot more going on.

I think that whatever he did would have gotten almost anyone thrown off the team. This is a net loss for the Rangers – they had to have significant reasons to do it.

by JBImaknee on Jun 6, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you trying to say?

thats not acceptable? because i do that every day at work

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

geez

How many people have to see that..? I was having a bad day, ok? I’m so embarrassed…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.

by WhipSmart on Jun 6, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

turning point in the season

i hate to say this team is F’ed.

But this team is F’ed. They already had the thinnest upper level pitching in baseball. Now it is even worse. Hilarity ensues.

by clark on Jun 6, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think Ponson would be the difference....

In a contender and a loser.

Maybe we do go on to tank from this point out….but I think we would still be in a sinking ship even with Ponson.

He had covered his warts well…but eventually they were going to show.

by clinton33 on Jun 6, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have already started

Mathis and Murray and tried to get serious innings out of the Lizard. Plus we put a pitcher on the DL every week. That might have been an overreaction, but i think we can put all of that “contention” talk behind us.

The only consolation…at least we aren’t the Mariners.

by clark on Jun 6, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

wonder what happened?

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Jun 6, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

From "deepthroat" on the DMN blog
I have a source inside the clubhouse who said that after the game he was cussing the players, coaches and GM aloud. He was angry that he was forced to pitch on three days rest, and the errors set him off. He said, allegedly, that Daniels had his head up his arse and that Wash couldn’t coach his way out of a wet sack with a machete…I’m using a cleaner version.
Needless to say, he teed off M-Young, J-Ham, Milt and others.

Don’t think there’s much credibility to that guy as a source, but not exactly hard to see that happening with the way Ponson acted throughout that game

by Gdawg on Jun 6, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ponson

Wasn’t it reported he is the one that stepped up to take the ball on short rest when Millwood couldn’t start?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

I heard something about that, but who knows how truthful any of this stuff is and if he did volunteer, it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t complain about it anyways. If he is throwing a big fit over this, I wouldn’t suggest logic and thinking to be a part of it.

by Gdawg on Jun 6, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daniels

JD has been very open with the media so I wonder if he will tell us what happened maybe in a couple days.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he's been open

but I doubt he ever reveals what happened. More likely than not, he’ll probably end up just saying it was something bad and there is no need to go any further into it than that.

by Gdawg on Jun 6, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would he do that?

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on Jun 6, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably not

when it comes to situations like this there just isn’t much you can say publicly

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a public/trust team playing in a public park.

We deserve an explanation. Ain’t no secrets in baseball.

I don't know Karate...but I know Karazy!

by Clueless on Jun 6, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Ain’t no secrets in baseball"

I must have missed that memo.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jun 6, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a clubhouse issue

That’s where it should stay, unless Ponson himself drags it out into the open, a la CJ-gate.

by lonestarJon on Jun 6, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great

it’s Matt Harrison time!

by chrisR on Jun 6, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

This is shocking. Ponson really must have blown a gasket for the Rangers to feel they needed to chop him, especially with the way the rotation has performed lately. Now we’re left with a big hole in a rotation that already basically has a revolving door at the back end.

At this point, I think Eric Hurley should get his promotion, and be told to sink or swim in the big leagues. If they’re gonna do that to Doug Mathis, keep throwing him out there even though he doesn’t seem to have it, then they can do it with Eric Hurley.

Hurley’s been in the minors for a long time, anyway. I remember somebody posting a chart awhile back that showed his progress through the minors vs. the progress of other players in his draft class, and he’s one of the only ones not in the majors yet. Normally, I wouldn’t advocate pushing prospects, but we’ve babied Hurley for long enough – time to give him that one last shove.

by lonestarJon on Jun 6, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not yet

I know that the general feeling is we are not in contention but until we are actually out of it in the standings I don’t think we will bring Hurley up. Once we do he’s gonna be here no matter how good or bad he is so until we are truly out of it we can’t throw him out there.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no no

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jun 6, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mathis vs. Hurley

the difference between those two players is that one is a top prospect and the other is not much of a prospect at all. Mathis’ ultimate ceiling is as a middle reliever, and he doesn’t have much to work on in the minors. He is going to have to succeed with the stuff he has now. Hurley on the other hand still has stuff to work on, namely keeping the ball down and developing a changeup. Until he does those two things, he will not succeed in the majors.

by uthornfan on Jun 6, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurley

I am not against letting him work on stuff here in Arlington. His last few starts have been good. And before the season I was saying mid June probably for a call up. But that was based on the premise that we were going to be out of contention by now. Not only our record but I thought LA and/or Seattle would be better than they were and be way out in front of the division. But as of right now we are still in the race no matter how bad we feel about this club. They have to sell seats and with school just getting out and families being available to go see games you can’t, from a business standpoint, throw a rookie out there and expect to see fans. Sure the hardcore guys who know who Hurley is will come out but the casual fan with the kids won’t.

Unfortunately we will just have to wait a little while longer until either Hurley starts dominating AAA or we are out of it enough we can bring him up

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

we’re underrating Mathis, I say he can be a decent #5. Better than Mendoza at least. However, I would be fine with seeing Hurley up here now.

"The only people who get bored are boring people."

by dstar442005 on Jun 6, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mathis is a big bag of suck

He has no plus pitches. He’s a guy who can come in and maybe fill-in a couple of times if you really, really need a start from someone, but he’s never going to be a good pitcher in any role in the bigs, cause he’s not good enough.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 6, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mathis

i saw him plenty in frisco last year, and was kinda underwhelmed. he’s not awful, just seemed very average to me.

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurley

I wouldn’t say he’s been babied. He was a first-rounder out of high school in 2004. Only five high schoolers from the first ten rounds of that draft have even reached the majors: Homer Bailey, Philip Hughes, Billy Butler, Yovani Gallardo, and Troy Patton.

Bailey, Hughes, and Butler were drafted before Hurley; none of the five have even a full season in the majors. So I’d say Hurley’s right on the timetable he should be- in AAA and close to his MLB debut.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jun 6, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Danielsator

Jon Daniels: I need your clothes, glove and your rosin bag.
Sidney Ponson: You forgot to say please…

by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 6, 2008 6:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's out of nowhere.

I don’t have anything really intelligent to add. It’s just stunning.

by philkid3 on Jun 6, 2008 6:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Timing??

Isnt the timing of this a bit bad?? I seem to recal that we a bit short on arms and if i remember correctly, im pretty sure Mathis isnt the answer!! Besides, id be pretty pissed too if my defense behind me gave up three errors and i was expected to throw lights out with 3 days rest. Another great move by JD, Sid the kid (old man) at least had some trade value.

by thad728 on Jun 6, 2008 6:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what of

AJ Murray?

"The only people who get bored are boring people."

by dstar442005 on Jun 6, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love how people don't want to promote Hurley

for the sake of player development, so the fans and other players get WHIPed to death by Mathis. But when I suggest trading Bradley, everyone is upset because this team should put the best possible product on the field and you can’t keep trading players for magic beans, which, if I recall, is player development.

by clark on Jun 6, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mathis

Hes had 3 bad games and 2 good ones. About what you expect out of your #5 guy and probably what you will get out of Hurley once he comes up at least at the start. Hurleys 40 man status is what is holding him back right now which is fine by me.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hurley

he’s not on the 40 and hasn’t been very good at aaa, why bring him up now?
if you want to bring up a young AAA pitcher make it harrison

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison

hasn’t even been that great at AA, let alone AAA. I still think both pitchers have good futures, but I am tired of the 40 making every decision. I am pretty sure we have an open spot now with Ponson being gone.

by clark on Jun 6, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hurley

and im tired of everyone screaming he needs to be brought up when the guy hasn’t showed much the past 2yrs.

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his last five AAA starts

have been very strong. i am not saying he is banging the door down, but he is certainly more ready than Harrison.

by clark on Jun 6, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

The 40 is a big factor. If everyone on here would stop bitching for all the Armando Galarragas that are roster casualties and do well elsewhere then the 40 wouldn’t be as big a deal. But its hard to let someone go to make room for a rookie who hasn’t exactly dominated AAA and you will have to let someone go and if they go on to some other club and do decent then your job gets called into question. Not saying JD thinks about that when making these decisions but hearing fans whine and bitch about this guy and that guy but then want us to get rid of a guy, possibly a Mathis or Mendoza, who could go on to somewhere else and succeed so we can take a chance on a guy who doesn’t have to be placed on the 40 until after this season.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 6, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when

did he have a good game? in that first indians game, he was getting hammered in the first three innings, but the complete incompetence of the indians offense helped him out. i will give him credit for getting through six and keeping us in it. but beyond that, he has had no success, except in the bullpen, which i think he is better suited for.

by clark on Jun 6, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

did you mean to reply to someone about mathis?

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JD on KRLD

It seemed to me that something happened today, that’s what JD said. “Something happened today…”

My money is on a scuffle between MY & him.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jun 6, 2008 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm

so something happened today, fotf is injured and ponson is gone. i think even miles can piece that one together

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Josh and TAG talking

before geing live. Josh, “I’ll do Ponson and you talk about Padilla.” TAG, “I don’t HAVE TO talk about Ponson, right?” Not my emphasis.

"The path you choose, you also choose its destination..."

by pro82 on Jun 6, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He caught what they were saying

before they went on air. I love when that happens.

It’s usually pretty funny, as is the case here.

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 6, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alcohol.

Semi-educated guess: Ponson showed up drunk.

by NoNameOnCard on Jun 6, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

doubt it

not wanting to be on a team has nothing/little to do with coming to the clubhouse drunk.

"The only people who get bored are boring people."

by dstar442005 on Jun 6, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that...

it shows a lack of respect for yourself, the game, your team, your coaches, your organization, etc….

by NoNameOnCard on Jun 7, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we got a live feed

out here in West Texas before they actually went live. TAG said, ” I don’t HAVE to talk about Ponson, right?” Heavy on the HAVE

"The path you choose, you also choose its destination..."

by pro82 on Jun 6, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised

that no one’s mentioned Gabbard yet as a replacement. I meanhe has had some control problems, but if I am correct he gave up only 2 walks, while giving up 5 runs in his first start down on OKC. Maybe give him one more start down there and call him up afterwards…

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by hinduplaya on Jun 6, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theory

JD was busy with the draft. Ponson barged in complaining about the pre-game buffet spread. JD flew off the handle.

Never interupt JD during the draft…

by cstorm15 on Jun 6, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

also

never mess with ponson’s buffet. you could lose an arm that way

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Jun 6, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

A little shocked but it’s really just Sidney Ponson. He made a few good starts more than I thought he would but it’s not like he was a huge part of the big picture with this team. I’m sure JD wouldn’t have done this without just cause. Good riddance.

As for who takes his place. I don’t think Hurley or Harrison are ready. I go back to Gabbard. His control sucks, but I think it would be better him than Mendoza or Mathis.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 6, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you go back and look at the tape of that inning with the errors, Ponson's facial expression gets more agitated by second after the initial error...

And I remember wondering at the time if, when he got to the dugout, he fired off at Young and Bradley.

II Cor. 4:17-18

by TedFord on Jun 6, 2008 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rotation

I agree with many posters, this will be the beginning of Harrison and possibly Hurley to the bigs. Their next starts are going to be closely watched (not that Harrison’s was much tonight…).

And will Tommy Hunter see Arlington this year? If BMac doesn’t come back?

If some kind of Bradley trade goes down, or even Laird…well, you have to figure JD’s working the phones right now. Gabbard isn’t enough to patch this dam.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jun 6, 2008 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

40 Man

I’m not super educated about the 40 man roster but don’t we have an open spot on it for Hurley by virtue of DFAing Sidney?

by save the empire on Jun 6, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really dont even want to put my 2 cents in on this but here it goes,

this rotation has been pieced together so far all year, just like every other year. Obviously Hurley and Harrison aren’t ready yet, but I wouldn’t be suprised if they got the call. At least that is what this team would have done in the past. Lets see if they continue the bad development of pitchers streak alive.

The only other pieces I can think of would be Mendoza and Gabbard. Does Tejeda get another shot at it?

Is anyone else feel like puking over this god aweful rotation that keeps getting pieced together year in and year out? It’s so frusturating.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Jun 6, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Big Badd Bubba J!

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jun 6, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

thank you, for that =)

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 7, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pulled from texasrangers.com

“The move leaves the Rangers without a fifth starter. Because they are off on Monday, they won’t need a fifth starter until next Saturday at the latest, when they play the Mets at Shea Stadium. Daniels said it will likely be somebody called up from Triple A Oklahoma, either Kason Gabbard, Luis Mendoza, Dustin Nippert, Matt Harrison or Eric Hurley.

“We haven’t had a chance to discuss it yet,” Daniels said. “Obviously, in the position we’re in, the last thing you want is to lose a starter. We’ll find somebody who wants the ball and will take it every fifth day. We’ve got some young kids who want to do that. We’ll find somebody.”

......As i have expressed my views time and time again…... my choice at this time is that Hurley should get that roster spot. Through every single minor league stop he has shown poise, maturity, and leadership on the mound. He had one bad month. HIs last 5 starts he has shown command of all his pitches and an improved “changeup.”

I think it’s time to promote the kid for what he has earned and to show all us Ranger fans why they can be excited with the new wave of young pitching talent.

by sidebar54 on Jun 6, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ponson: 36 R... 24 ER

that’s pathetic…

i officially believe.

by oc on Jun 6, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

I kind of figured Ponson had begun to sort out the crap that had haunted him in Baltimore.

Regardless.. Everyone has random stories about drunk athletes (or at least stories they hear once or twice removed like mine).

Ponson used to frequent the Baja Beach Club in Baltimore quite often, and from what I heard was quite the chubby chaser. Apparently, he tended to use his baseball cred to procure larger Baltimore girls (and sometimes quite a few in a night). This trick apparently worked on an old buddy of mine’s sister-in-law, who ended up getting dumped back at the club shortly after they finished… only to watch him leave with yet another girl. Real quality that guy.

by krushcuts on Jun 6, 2008 10:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yah!

You can always tell the quality of a man by the way he treats a fatty after he’s finished boning down on her.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 6, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or banging down on her...

heh Miles.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 6, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE:

I think it speaks volumes that he at least gave her a right back to the club.

by krushcuts on Jun 6, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word

And I can’t hate on him for liking fatties. It’s definitely not my thing at all, but we’ve all gone there, and at least they tend to have low self esteem, which is nice. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I don’t trust a man who’s never gone fat. It just doesn’t sit right with me. A man like that has something to hide.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 6, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I can honestly say I’ve never gone fat.

I guess that explains why you don’t trust me—but I have nothing to hide.

Then again, I’m far too young to be saying the word “never” =)

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 7, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you a drinking man?

If you are, it’ll happen.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I turned 21 last week

haven’t stopped drinking since.

If this ever happens, I’ll make sure not to remember it =)

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 8, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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