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Ponson and Strip Club Jones

Sidney Ponson gets drunk and mouths off, and the Rangers release him with all sorts of high-sounding words. I'm curious: Is what Ponson did worse than what Pac Man Jones has done? Will the mainstream media rip Ponson and praise the Rangers for taking a firm stand (like Jim Reeves did in the Star-Telegram)? Will Rangers fans take a similar stand?

Because that's not what either did when the Cowboys signed Jones. No one was using high-sounding words. No one especially cared that Jones is a thug of the highest order, that people have died around him. What did Galloway say? "Jones makes sense" for the Cowboys. I can hardly wait to hear how he praises the Rangers for letting Ponson go.

But what will be more hypocritical will be the reaction on this blog and elsewhere. The same fans who were whooping and hollering when the NFL said Jones can play this year if he's a good boy in training camp will sound as sanctimonious about Ponson as Jon Daniels did.

Visitors here spend a lot of time ripping the MSM. Next time you do it, make sure you're not making the same mistakes.

 

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we thought Ponson was a risk when we signed him and when he screwed up he was let go. If Pacman screws up he’ll be gone too, most likely by the hand of Goodell rather than Jerry.

by Taylor on Jun 7, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Ponson = No talent
Jones = Could be pro bowl calibur corner.

Thats the difference

by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 7, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yep.

a reality of sports. talent gets you leeway.

all the same, if pacman has further problems the cowboys will cut him very quickly.

Bring up Justin Smoak

by DSheppard on Jun 7, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't think this is analogous

the boys have never pretended to put character over on-field talent

rangers have decided to run their org. differently

i support both approaches, because the teams know what they want

by tangiers on Jun 7, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Different circumstances

If a player messes up royally on your team, you get rid of him. If it’s on another team you try to rehabilitate him. It’s the line of thinking that we can do better than the other guy. You can’t let someone do it on your watch, though.

Ponson is more analogous to Antonio Bryant, though. He had some potential, was doing alright, but was hurting the team with his antics. The Cowboys but him even though they needed WR help. It ended up being a good thing for the team. Would we have been able to have Tank and TO in that locker room with a cancer like that?

by altercall on Jun 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Difference between football and baseball

It is difficult to compare the two sports. Football is a rough sport, with rough people who play it. There is almost an expectation that you’ll have some thugs on your team.

Baseball is different – that is why the “Black Sox” and Pete Rose scar the past. People are ashamed of the coke-head Pirates of the late ‘70s, early ‘80s; while people simply laugh at the drug use in the NFL (think of the ‘90s Cowboys). The word “steroids” makes any baseball fan cringe, in football they look the other way and apparently knock off the guys who talk to the feds about it.

Baseball has the perception of a pure, clean game, and anything that tarnishes that perception is frowned upon. Football is just different.

I don’t think it has anything to do with the quality of the player. But it does have to do with the nature of the sports.

by JBImaknee on Jun 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, let's see here...

Step 1: Ponson has a history of legal troubles, including DUIs and punching a judge in Aruba, and the Orioles actually voided his contract because of his antics. Step 2: Rangers sign him to a low-risk contract to see if he’s righted the ship both on and off the field. Step 3: He fucks up and the Rangers cut him.

Step 1: Pacman gets in a bunch of legal trouble. Step 2: Cowboys get him. Step 3: No cause yet, therefore no effect yet. If Pacman fucks up and the Cowboys don’t do anything about it, THEN you would have an argument and not until.

by Inkara1 on Jun 7, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

huh

This is way to meta for me.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jun 7, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as stated earlier...talent matters

but also its on the field vs off the field.

if ponson went all TO on his teams asses (its always sunny reference) then thtas one thing.

if its JUST off the field it can be tolerated for a while.

also look at age, thats important in this equation.

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Jun 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The risk/reward factor...

There wasn’t much risk involved in bringing either one of these guys in. The potential rewards pretty heavily outweigh whatever risk there was involved…

Ponson made sense for the Rangers when they put his past aside and gave him another chance. The risks were low, the team needed pitchers and Ponson does have some talent. But that doesn’t mean him acting like an idiot at a bar and yelling at teammates/coaches is going to be overlooked. When he starts acting like his past reputation suggested he would, you have to reevaluate things…

If Jones slips up at some point during his time in Dallas, and you hear about him being involved with an incident at a strip club in Dallas, do you think people around here won’t turn on him quickly? They will. Especially guys like Randy Galloway.

It’s all a matter of getting in here, realizing you’ve been given a second (or third, or fourth) chance and behaving in a professional manner. Not falling back into the problems of your past. Nobody raised concerns when Ponson was brought to Arlington, because it was worth a shot. But everybody turns on you once you slip up… It’ll be the same way with PacMan.

by N41D on Jun 7, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh

You just reminded me of this epic Eminem interview with Rolling Stone, 6 years ago.

You should read the whole thing, fwiw, especially his opinion of Moby … LOL

I wish I was fucking as many as the media have me fucking.

http://tinyurl.com/5vqrbx

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I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

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by Chase Irwin on Jun 7, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate this

You crawl out from under a rock somewhere just long enough to pass moral judgement on bloggers on a freaking fan site in the name of self importantance.

Come down from your high horse just long enough to go F- yourself.

Wine Curmudgeon—are you kidding me? What an A-Hole.

by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 8, 2008 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

LOLOL

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 9, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 things

1. Pac “man” is a scumbag of the lowest order. I detest the idea of him playing for any NFL team, much less my boys.

2. Your sanctimonious gotcha moralizing is obnoxious. You obviously haven’t been around here very long if you think you have the intellectual heft to talk to us like we’re stupid. So please stop.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jun 9, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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