Eric Hurley getting called up
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 9, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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PrintEvan Grant says Eric Hurley is getting added to the 25 man roster to make the start on Thursday.
The Hurley era is about to kick off.
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I would also like to see Harrison if Feldman or Mathis fail.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
Harrison
Hes had 1 start in AAA. Lets let him pitch there just a bit before rushing him. He’ll be here in september at the latest
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I was thinking around the AS break
There have been others that have made the jump.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
I
dont think he’s very good…
I went to Frisco twice this year and he was poor both times. The last time was around two weeks ago.
He certainly did’nt look like a guy on the verge of a call up.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be right around the time he threw a no-hitter...
right?
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 10, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
cant find the stats
but I believe it was on Fri. May 30th
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm...
I’m not the biggest Hurley fan (I don’t think that he is the savior of the francise like some people do) but I admit I’m kind of excited. Lets all cross our fingers and hope the does well!
Also – who here thought that Eric Hurley would be the first of our two 2004 drafted pitchers to see the big leagues and not Thomas Diamond?
I am also not as sold on Hurley
I have no reason not to be, I just am not as excited as others.
That being said, I hope that he is up to stay and shows what everyone is excited about.
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Que.....
ok , I am confused.
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"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Royals should be a pretty easy team to break-in against.
OPS is second from the bottom in all of the majors.
so the question is
does he give up more or less than 3 HR?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Not too many HR hit by the Royals this year.
He could get through the game without giving up any. I’ll bet that he does.
BUT the question is
which one reigns supreme:
hurley’s propensity to give up HR or the royals lack of power?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Bobby Flay quisine will reign supreme!
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
Yep, I can smell the quisinart heating up as we speak :)!
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
woot
My inner Hurler Hurley is giddy right now.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
But...
is it drunk?
Hmmm…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
hahahahaha
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
seriously, though
what happened to that guy? maybe his wife threatened to divorce him unless he stopped drinking a 12-er every night and sitting in front of the computer.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
Question is
will he be the 4th or 5th starter next year?
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
Yay!
I am legitimately excited about the back of the rotation again.
I’m ready for a bumpy ride to start his Major League career, though. He gets to start off against the Royals, (I’m assuming, anyway) which is going to be easier than some teams, but I fully expect some growing pains.
It's exciting to see the
future hopefully starting now. May he do what many before him have not: develop.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 9, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully
he plays as well as…
john danks
edison volquez
armando galarraga
or better. and in a rangers uniform.
just kidding. hopefully the kid can ball.
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
Really????
Armando Galarraga
W/L 5-2
ERA 3.70
SO 39
GP 10
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
if i had to guess
he’s either referring to how well galarraga performed for the rangers LAST year, or to his last 2 or 3 starts. he has made it over 5 innings in all his games but 1 this year. for a ranger to make it 5 innings, he’s either millwood, padilla, or lucky for the game.
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
Galarraga
He hasn’t pitched that great.
He’s averaging 6 Ks per 9 and 4 walks per 9, which isn’t a real good ratio. His nice ERA is almost entirely due to a .198 BABIP, which is not sustainable. His FIP is 4.54, and his DIPS ERA is 4.84. Given his home park, that’s not very good
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 9, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
you again.....
your always there to remind me how all the ex-rangers that seem to be performing well actually suck.
Ive seen you do this regarding Pudge, Chris Young, Volquez, etc.
Your arguments are generally something like:
“Chris Young is only good because of his home ballpark”, or you find some random stats that no one even knows what they mean without the help of google.
Its ok to admit that the Rangers are constantly on the wrong side regarding pitching evaluation. Are you suggesting that Galarraga couldnt help the Rangers? Wasnt he released to make room for Ponson? Thats classic…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I will give you Pudge and Volquez
But CY is a product of his Ballpark. Now let me ask you would you rather have Volquez a player that plays every fifth day or a CF that plays almost every day? I hated losing EV but if you have a chance to get one of the best CF in the game to roam that extensive CF we have you have to do it. If Hamilton plays for just two years at the level he is playing right now he will be the best CF the Rangers have ever had in their history.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
my problem
with the Volquez Hammy argument is that the Rangers didnt know that they were acquiring the league MVP nor did the Reds know they were getting Cy Young.
Knowing what we knew at the time, and based on the way Volquez finished last year, I see no grounds for making that trade.
Given what we now know Id still take the pitcher over the fielder/hitter I’ll eagerly await some “win-shares” stat or some such from Adam to show me how the CF is more important than the ace.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Pitching
Is pretty useless if you can’t score any runs.
by brettgardner on Jun 9, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
hamilton
Has helped the Rangers win way more than Edison has a pitcher only pitches once every 4 or 5 days. Plus you don’t know if Edison would of been as good here or not. I don’t see how anyone could think this trade was bad.
I recon
if you swap the two (given the same performances) that the Rangers would have a better record right now.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
Do you think that a SP giving up 1-2 runs over 6 IP every 5 days and then handing it over to this bullpen without Hammy in the OF or in the lineup really results in more wins? We’ve seen Feldman, Padilla, Millwood, Ponson, Mathis, and Gabbard have great starts like that just to have the bullpen piss it away or the offense not show up that day. Its no guarantee that that game ends up in a win. So I’ll take my chances with the guy who plays each day and gives the team great production rather than hope for every 5th day.
True enough....
but my experience being a Ranger fan tells me that one is eminently more difficult to obtain.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Except
I think most Rangers fans are jaded because when this team had really really good offenses, they were complemented by AWFUL pitching.
That does not, however, mean that the two are inexorably linked.
The key, it would seem, is balance.
by brettgardner on Jun 9, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
which we have never found
we’ve seen this movie before.
Rangers lead in umpteen offensive categories and are dead last in an equal amount of pitching stats.
Wouldnt it be nice, for once, to have a dominating pitcher?
We’ve had MVP’s before….
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
There are plenty of teams that have/have had a great starter and still suck.
by brettgardner on Jun 9, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I am
certainly not suggesting that you simply go get a Kazmir an presto, hello pennant.
Im suggesting that Ive seen this before(.500 baseball, good hitting, worlds worst pitching) and it would be fun for once to be a .500 team with great pitching and perhaps shittier offense.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The offense
in the past hasn’t been as good as it is now. This is a very well balanced offense that works counts and gets to the bullpen early with good power and speed mixed in to consistently score at least 4-5 runs a game. You have serious threats in Kinsler, Young, Hamilton, Murphy, Salty, Boggs, Laird, Byrd, Bradley, Cat, and even Vazquez. Its not just A-Rod, Pudge, and Raffy anymore
amazing
what an easy time the Rangers have had through the years of putting together a line-up
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We scored
just about 800 runs last year. That’s bad, considering our park. Last year, we had 1 guy who was young and good in the lineup (Kinsler) and a lot of question marks in the low minors.
This year, you can argue that we have 4 (Murphy, Kinsler, Hamilton and Saltalamacchia), with several in the upper minors (Davis, Mayberry, Ramirez).
It’s amazing how easy it is to put together a lineup WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TALENT.
are you
implying that the Rangers have had a difficult time putting together a lineup over the last, say 15 years? Id like to see a cumulative list over that span….I bet the Rangers would rank pretty high.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
They had a difficult time
putting together a lineup when they lacked talented players. They needed talent at a premium position (CF) and they got it.
Yes, me again
How strange that I would be showing up here and offering comments.
Where have I ever said that Chris Young or Edinson Volquez suck?
As for Pudge, he has sucked the last couple of years, and really hasn’t been all that good since LSB kicked off.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 9, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
its just
that in your defense of Ranger mgt(I know, I know you arent a JD apologist) you seem to belittle what ex Rangers do elsewhere. Last year you constantly stated that CY was the beneficiary of his park and the better outfielders that SD had when compared the OF he would have had if he were a Ranger thereby minimizing CY’ s accomplishments.
Of course its not strange that you are here intermingling with the novices on your own blog….just that you seem to always be defending Ranger mgt in regards to their evaluation of pitching.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So
is it just a coincidence that Young has been awful this year now that his stellar defensive OF isn’t there anymore?
well....
I dont believe
W-L 4-4 ERA 4.50 K 51 Walks 30
is “awful”
why is it that Ranger fans hate to admit that we tend to let pitchers get away?
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it kind of is
when the league ERA is 3.80 and you are pitching in an extremely pitcher friendly ball park. I have no problem admitting when the Rangers let go of good pitchers. I don’t see the point in whining and moaning about losing a guy who would be among the “lack of pitching” the Rangers deal with.
not whining sir,
just hoping we can improve on this in the future….
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Stuff.
Don’t know really. I suppose they don’t really need a catcher. Outfielder + pitcher?
I’m bad at this talent calculation.
by brettgardner on Jun 9, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Also...
....if think I am saying that the Rangers didn’t blow it with the Chris Young trade, then you aren’t paying attention. I said they screwed that deal up the day it was made.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
more
because of AGON than CY, no?
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
you've yet
to answer the charge that you downplayed CY’s success.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what to say about that
I think Young is a very good pitcher. I also think he’s benefitted significantly, as a flyball pitcher, by going from a team with a lousy outfield defense and a park that allows a lot of home runs to a team with a great outfield defense (particularly in 2006) and a more pitcher friendly park and league.
I don’t see how pointing out that he’s in a situation that particularly magnifies his strengths is any different than pointing out that certain hitters are going to benefit more from being at TBIA.
Young posted, in 2006 and 2007, very low BABIPs, and allowed a very small amount of XBHs relative to the rest of the league. I don’t think you can just ignore the fact that his peripherals didn’t support that level of performance - particularly in 2006 - or claim that pointing that out constitutes “downplaying CY’s success,” just like I don’t see that pointing out Volquez’s peripherals suggest his ERA should be in the low-3s - still extremely good - rather than the mid-1s means that I’m saying he sucks.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 9, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
the overiding theme
seems to be that you want to show how ex-Ranger pitchers arent as good as the average fan thinks they are.
You also like to stick up for the Danks McCarthy debacle.
Also….did the Rangers release Galaragga to make room for the Ponson signing?
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 9, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Galarraga/Ponson
No.
Ponson was a minor league deal.
Galarraga was DFA’d to make room for a far worse pitcher, though I still think that was an okay gamble.
They just shouldn’t have DFA’d Galarraga. There were other candidates much more ripe for a DFA’ing than the semi-useful Galarraga. At least that guy had a dcent fastball and a useable breaking ball, unlike, say, Dough Mathis.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 9, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I would really like to know
how everyone thinks you can predict injuries to young pitchers. That’d be fantastic if you could get that information to me and our front office. Especially young guys with clean mechanics and no history of injury. Thanks.
Oh
and the reason Adam does it is probably because they’re not. Dank’s success might be real, but Volquez isn’t as good as he’s shown and Armando is a nice guy, but a house of mirrors.
your post
just epitomized everything I’ve been trying to say about the general vibe of an LSB poster.
FWIW- I sure wish we could get one of these “house of mirrors” types. And if Volquez isnt as good as he’s shown then neither is JHam…
...keep telling me how Volquez, Galarraga, Duchscherer, Chris Young, Doug Davis, et al. arent that good and enjoy watching the likes of Doug Mathis…
Why, pray tell, is it so hard to say, “yep, the Rangers F’d up on a particular move regarding a particular pitcher.”
Try it….it’ll feel good, and you’ll actually be right.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay
FWIW- I sure wish we could get one of these "house of mirrors" types.
John Koronka? Robinson Tejeda, at the end of 2006? Sidney Ponson this year? Scott Feldman, quite possibly, this year?
Guys will have stretches where they pitch well and put up good ERAs despite underwhelming peripherals.
The fact that I’m not sitting here beating myself up over Galarraga, or that I point out that Volquez isn’t going to be able to sustain a sub-2 ERA if he doesn’t reduce his walk rate dramatically, doesn’t mean that I’m incapable of saying the Rangers blew it with certain pitchers.
Chris Young, they blew it with, and I said it from the outset, your suggestion that I really was upset about Adrian Gonzalez notwithstanding. Justin Duchscherer and Doug Davis, of course, although you are talking about guys who were let go 6 years ago by the previous g.m.
Galarraga, I don’t think is any big loss. And I wouldn’t reverse the Volquez trade, even if I could.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 10, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
isnt Galarraga's
stretch longer than the decent runs of those you mentioned?
Plus the guys you mentioned certainly dont change my mind….those guys are responsible for what little bit of decent pitching we’ve seen the last few years.(from people not named Padilla or Millwood) oh and you didnt mention it so I guess we can agree that the way Volquez finished last year with the Rangers wasnt “with mirrors”.
You like B-Mac’s perphs?
Gabbards?
Hurleys?
Harrisons?
Not sure where the pitching is going to come from to help us win next year…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice straw man
but no one is arguing about the long term success of guys we have. I’m not sold on Gabbard’s peripherals, but McCarthy, Hurley, Harrison et all all did some great things in the minors. Their peripherals are generally solid, with a few trouble spots for each individual pitcher (HR/FB for Hurley, K/9 for Harrison, pretty much nothing for McCarthy)
Volquez and Galarragga are pretty much putting up identical peripherals to their minor league days, with the biggest difference being in BABIP for Galaragga and a huge LOB% and a lower BABIP for Volquez. That doesn’t bode well for sustainability. Pointing that out doesn’t mean we hate the player, it means we think they’ve been lucky.
Why don’t you try making an argument instead of reiterating the same thing and maybe this conversation would go somewhere
reiteration
lucky, mirrors???
you just seem to have a problem giving credit where credit is due.
my argument is this:
the Rangers would be a better team this year if they had Galaragga.
Do you agree or disagree?
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Galarraga...
...would make much difference one way or the other.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 10, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
There you go again
Come on, with Galarraga, the Rangers might be only 6 games back of LAA right now.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
again....
r u saying there is no room for Galarraga in our rotation?
Given his W-L record with Det I would think he would have given us at least 2-3 more W’s with our offense behind him…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Galarraga
Could we have used him sometime this year. Yeah there is no doubt. Nobody here is saying we couldn’t have. People are saying its ludicrous to think we should have known he would have this type of year, and that his fan numbers(W/L, ERA, etc) don’t jive with his hardcore numbers(BABIP, LOB%, etc)
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
interesting.....
He’d have been our second best pitcher over his last nine starts but “wouldnt make much difference”...
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It wouldn't make a big difference either way
and you’re stupid for giving little support for your argument save: BUT HIS ERA is Shiny!
I'm stupid...
because I’m aware that Galarrage has outpitched everyone in the Rangers rotation thus far, save for Padilla?
Oh, and I like his 4-2 record, as well as his sweet, clean ERA.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
why is this so hard?
Galarraga, at this point, would be an inprovement over Gabbard, Jennings, Mathis, possibly Feldman, and now Ponson(considering how he doesnt play here).
The argument is not that Galarraga is a beast, simply that the Rangers could use his arm…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Galarraga
No, his stretch is not longer than the others mentioned. He’s had 9 starts, hardly enough to project a career from.
You may have the perception that Adam poo-poos ex-Ranger arms because of all the posters here who bring them up every time one has some success. People talk about pitchers like Young, Galarraga this year, Volquez, Danks, etc. while conveniently forgetting Ryan Drese, Ricardo Rodriguez, Nick Masset, etc.
What Adam posted above is true, and you haven’t disproved anything he’s posted, so you’re essentially just complaining that he’s pointing out the truth.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
I would love it
if you were my boss…..
you seem able ignore unforgivable blunders and instead focus on the things that were done right.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
whole picture
Thats what you have to look at. Yes we have traded away pitchers who we could use right now. But we have also gotten rid of guys who I am glad we don’t have anymore and replaced them with guys who either helped us or are still helping us.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
concur...
the whole picture is that are pitching sucks and we’ve given away some pitchers whom at the very least would be “useful”.
I see nothing unfair with the statement: The Rangers have struggled in their evaluation of pitching talent.
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
But you also have to recognize when we have. Guys like Ricardo Rodriguez, Juan Dominguez and others who we have turned into very nice returns from other teams.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
duly noted
but its the job of Ranger mgt to figure out a way to not be the worst pitching team in MLB (or is it to turn a profit, hmmmm?)
I would thingk it would be tough to defend Ranger mgt and their evaluation/development of pitching but this thread just proves that I am wrong and that quite clearly the Rangers have it all figured out…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No,
I’m just aiming for balance and I focus on the big picture. Focusing on Galarraga is so stupid and inconsequential, a waste of time. Do you really think the Rangers are contenders this year? Galarraga means next to nothing now or in the future for this club.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
No
I dont think the Rangers are contenders this year, nor will they be next year, or the year after that….
Why? Because they still wont have pitching.
I know LSB hates the eyeball test but Ive seen 6 starts(2 each) from the “next wave”(Hurley, Diamond, and now Harrison) and I’m afraid Ranger fans will be a little dissapointed in what they get from these three.
So when do you foresee the Rangers having a decent rotation?
and until youve got 5 better than Galarraga its still relevant to wonder why hes pitching for another team….
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't expect
the team to have an above average rotation until 2010 or maybe even 2011.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
I agree
with that sentiment…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers would
certainly contend for the AL West with an average rotation.
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
Right, but his question
was about the rotation. I expect them to contend next year with bats, an average rotation, and an improved bullpen. (#2 has a lot to do with #3 there).
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
I guess
My question to you is:
Would you be happy if the only move the Rangers made this offseason was to trade Hamilton for, say, Haren?
by brettgardner on Jun 10, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
if the only move...
no.
as a series of moves to improve the staff, then sure. This offense could withstand the loss of the greatest player to ever play the game.
Trade for Haren, sign CC Sab, combine with Millwood and Padilla and I think your getting some where…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked Edinson Volquez
I wasn’t one of those doing backflips about the trade when it went down.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 10, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I was one
who said that they might well regret Gonzalez as much as Young. Not sure who whether I’d say that now or not.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 9, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
re: red shoe ranger Duly noted?
They went into this seaosn with what looked like a solid top 4 of Millwood, Padilla, BMac, and Gabbard. Millwood and Padilla have been good even better than good for the most part.
BMacs injury is unfortunate and you couldn’t have predicted when we traded for him he would have been injured as much as he has been. yet he is still one of the youngest players on the team and has a bright future ahead of him if he can stay healthy.
Gabbard was doing well until a 6’7” formerly good player charged the mound on him.
Then we had a gaggle of guys for the #5 spot. Now if you trying to ask why we DFAd Galarraga I don’t know. Thats something the management hasn’t come out and said. But I would imagine it was a long and lengthy decision especially to get rid of a guy who had options left. But if your argument is we should have known he was going to do what he has done in Detroit and thus should have kept him then you should just quit right now because that is just plain false. Nothing in his past points to what he has done this season. And even his numbers this season don’t point to him sustaining it.
As I said either somewhere in this thread or another one from today, the Rangers have not done a bad job developing pitching recently. Its just the guys we have developed we have traded away before we could reap the benefits. But even then, I could argue pretty confidently that a healthy BMca and Hamilton is better than Danks and Volquez.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I guess
I will listen to that argument when B-Mac gets healthy…
Its not just that B-MAc is hurt…..its that he didnt look all that good when he wasnt
His Ranger starts have been very underwhelming.
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Your kindess in this matter is appreciated.
by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
BMac
If you think he wasn’t good when he was healthy then it must be hard to impress you. Because he was very good when he was healthy and should only get better as he matures and gets older.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
not quite "very good"
2007
ERA W-L SO WHIP
4.87 5-10 59 1.56
in fact, not even as good as Galarraga….
Im clearly not hard to impress as I find Galarraga to be useful and as has been pointed out to me he clearly sucks and would have no place on this team
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
BMac
I think BMac is at least 25 lbs underweight. maybe more. he is tall and too skinny in my opinion. I will say that he may have not had a history of injury before but that is not the case now. When is he due to start throwing? Around the all star break or after? I think it is possible that he may not throw this year. not saying that it is 100% but a possibility.
¡yo soy Horsedooty!
I soloed in the mile high club.
by Sr Horsedooty on Jun 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
hes throwing now
He is scheduled to be back in the majors around the ASB. Whether or not they take it slow is a decision that hasn’t been made public yet
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Look, dork
if it makes you feel better, a lot of people here complained loudly when they let Galarraga slip away. I’d prefer they had kept him over Mendoza. But years from now no one will even remember this, it’s a very small thing with almost zero importance to this year or any year. And you getting pissed because Adam points out what anyone looking at the stats can see is petty and pointless. Do you really think Galarraga is going to continue to be this good. Really?
Do you really believe that Volquez is going to have a sub-2.00 ERA all year? Really? Do you really not think that Petco helped make a very good pitcher (Young) look even better? Are you really so obstinate that you can’t admit that maybe, just maybe, the people wasting their time arguing with you might be saying something true instead of just being Rangers apologists?
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
You are all
correct in your salient points regarding these ex-Ranger pitchers…
I’m just saying that even if they aren’t as good as there stats indicate that The Rangers would be a better team if these players still wore Rangers’ uni’s.
....now go get your fuckin’ shine box!
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
He was hurt all of last year. I don’t know that his performance in 2007 really says much of anything about how he’ll perform when healthy.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 10, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
he was hurt all last year.....
and continued pitching?
then I question his intelligence…
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by red shoe ranger on Jun 10, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Please let it be less disappointing...
than the Kozlowski era.
:`(
by ghostofErikThompson on Jun 9, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions
OT: Bears have released Benson
That was a wasted high draft pick.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
isnt he the all time leader in rushing in texas history?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
texas HS history
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
no he doesn't
try and keep up…there is a difference in me defending him during some of the so-called off field issues and him as a football player. But, i do think he kinda might be better without a Kyle Ortan, Rex Grossman, Brian Griese QB.
He'd
Be even better without any defenses opposing him.
by brettgardner on Jun 9, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Or if he wasn't
a spoiled brat who didn’t put himself before his teammates and if he didn’t get in the car and drive drunk.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
He made more money....
in orange and white anyway.
but it wasnt selling coke out of the football dorm!!!!
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
Shit happens Jay
The Sooners got put on probation and moved on. I don’t condone it but it happened.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
Random, but not even close
I have never heard of Benson calling out his teammates or yelling at them for no apperent reason.
Sidney, if he had stayed on the team, had, from what I’m inferring from JD’s comments, the potential to do to the Rangers what TO did to the Eagles.
"One of you asked me once if I am a recent Red Sox fan. Sure, as recent as 1986...when my fellow UT Longhorns fan & Texan Roger Clemens was the Cy Young winner and one hell of a young man...who has used steroids, cheated on his wife, had about 10 bar fights, escaped a few DUIs, and I mean ESCAPED, fought with his teammates - but all the while loved his sons and the game. I'll take Clemens over Millwood and Padilla anyday.." - bosoxsiempregirl
^^^^ Wow, I would too. I guess that makes me the next John Schuerholtz.
Didn't see it anywhere else
The straight shooter that is Evan Grant addresses fat-drunk-and-stupid-is-no-way-to-go-through-life-contarian Syd the lid Ponson rumors:
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/attention-conspiracy-theorists-please-st.html
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
Love how the commentors
immediately started conspiring right after EV told them to stop.
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Rumor?
Not to inspire gossip or anything, but what is this rumor he spoke of? Was it speculation that maybe Michael Young’s broken finger wasn’t the result of a medicine ball (or whatever), but maybe a fracas with a fatass?
Pure speculation on my part.
The comments are unbelievable
Good summary by Grant. Ponson had no room for error, and he erred egregiously. End of story.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
yep this is awesome,
I thinking the timing is perfect. Let the kid get his feet wet and possibly knocked around a little so that when we are 100% ready to compete for a championship, he should be established.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
OT: Detroit getting pounded by Cleveland
8-0 after two
Willis went 1.1 innings tonight. Ouch.
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hurley
obviously the home runs scare me and i would like for him to have figured that out (or at least gone a start without a home run before coming up) for confidence sake. But, I am a pretty big hurley fan and his stay shoudl be permanent no matter what happens.
This is still a rebuilding year.
I’m also pretty sure I’m going to get mad if anyone says anything bad about his performance.
Rare Gnats Sex
ive been rooting for his success since the day we traded him
but ive got to admit… this 1.25 ERA best pitcher in the league stuff is starting to get to me… im almost rooting for him to come back to earth.
Bring up Justin Smoak
it's not going to
i’ve seen a lot of his games on MLB extra innings, his mechanics are smooth, easily repetitive delivery, and just pure nasty stuff. His fb, changeup, curve combo is the best i’ve seen in a really long time.
I'm not watching
So I can’t say for sure, but he has given up entirely too many BBs to be posting an ERA under 2 for long.
No need
This is wht El Lizardo was DFA’d yesterday.
by LSJ on Jun 9, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
the next dfa is going to be a little tougher.
and then after that when Bmac gets back. and if Mayberry and/or Davis is called up before September.
Dammit, just wrote a long reply
Then hit cancel instead of post, cause I suck at the interwebs.
Suffice it to say:
Jennings to the 60.
No way Metcalf gets claimed. He sucks.
If we’re calling up Mayberry/Davis, Shelton becomes dead weight and should be on the next train the f out of town.
Cat and/or Byrd are good choices to be dealt at the deadline, same with one of Saird.
The 40 trumps all!!!
if we callup mayberry before davis
wouldnt you drop shelton and let JMJ get some games in at 1b?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
So Adam
does this post on WPAs, has all of this analysis and interesting stuff from the season. That gets no “recs”. Then he posts a one liner on Hurley getting promoted, which doesn’t even break the news on his own blog. And that gets two. What f-ing morons chose that post to “rec”?
by Brett Perryman on Jun 9, 2008 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
A 3rd rec given
Just for you, Z ;)
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 9, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I rec'd your comment.
Thinking is never as popular as knee-jerking. The rec’s seem more intended for the Rangers action than for Adam’s posting of it.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 9, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can I see that?
I don’t think that I can. Of course I’m batting about 700 on actually publishing delayed game threads, so…
by Brett Perryman on Jun 9, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
well, if an admin can't see that
i don’t know who can.
by Longhorn on Jun 9, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
everyone can
kind of
if you go to a users profile, “recent activity” shows any rec’ing and even what you voted for on polls
Bring up Justin Smoak
+1
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2. A stuffing
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 9, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
+ 1
a lit’l CREEPY.
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
.... just to be clear .....
i dont actually routinely sit there for hours going through everyones profile trying to find out what they’ve rec’d.
i’ve just happened to notice it because if you click on someones name the activity is the first thing you see.
Bring up Justin Smoak
hahaha
I know Shep… just playing with ya :)
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
I'm definitely
rec’ing your next game thread for encouragement.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
yo brett
what’s the history of your screen name? I just realized there is a Yankees prospect named Brett Gardner
Basically
It’s my name.
I’m wishing extreme failure for my namesake prospect.
by brettgardner on Jun 9, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i think you are taking the rec'ing just a bit more seriously than everyone else
especially for main page posts, where it doesnt have the purpose it does on fanposts (keeping it on the favorites list)
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DShep on Jun 9, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not taking anything seriously
I just thought it was kind of funny.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 9, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
meanwhile
when the bleep are we gonna promote Neftali Feliz? 9 K’s in 5 IP with 1 ER tonight!
"The only people who get bored are boring people."
Hurley
My expectations are fairly modest, but for this organization very significant.
I think Hurley can be a 200+ IP starter. No ERA or strikeout titles, no 20 win seasons, just a solid contributor somewhere in the middle of a good rotation. I think the value in those type guys is overlooked by fans.
The last time the Rangers developed a 200 ip starter was when?
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
Shane Reynolds/Rick Helling??
I’ll take that and hope for more.
Gerald Laird, the Man, the Father, the Son, the Beast, the One, the Savior, the Immaculate.
Oh God, please no
I just looked up his PECOTA comps and saw Aaron Myette and John Wasdin.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
I buy the book
every year and leave it in the bathroom. By the time the season is over, I have read it through a couple or more times.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
1st starts
Myette 4IP 5H 4ER 1HR 5BB 2K it was Myette’s 2nd ML appearance
Wasdin 6IP 4H 1ER 0HR 0BB 1K Wasdin’s 3rd appearance
Lets hope Hurley doesn’t become known as “Homer” Hurley
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
Hey shroomer
Love your site… But sometimes it has serious loading issues. Is that just a my.calendars.net issue?
For some reason I’d rather sit around hoping your site loads than actually look up the stupid box scores myself. Pathetic? Probably.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 9, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, calendars.net has definite loading issues
Can get frustrating at times – but it’s free and you get what you pay for: pure misery at times. I complained once and they sent me a cryptic email with the addresses for different servers to try if the site gets balky. That doesn’t really help you visitors much tho. The link in my sig is the best url to try for now.
FWIW, I think today, Monday, was an all-time record for “visits” – whatever they are.
So all this trading talk has got me thinking
the Twins need a DH in the biggest way.
Liriano for Max Ramirez, do you do it?
Probably
How healthy is Liriano these days? He only made 3 starts in the majors this year, and got bombed. He has been doing pretty well in AAA, but then again, if he wasn’t, that would be really concerning…
I seen him pitch in Rochester a couple times,
he looks like his stuff and command is coming together. He doesn’t look like the lights out pitcher he was but he definitely has it still.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Come on
Of course you do and of cousre they don’t.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 10, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
It’s closer than you make it out to be.
by brettgardner on Jun 10, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Liriano
isn’t exactly an uberprospect anymore. He hasn’t gotten his slider back at all so far, I think it’s a legitimate question.
He's
still recovering from TJ surgery so I think its unfair to have expected him to come back right away and dominate. It really all depends on how Minny feels about his recovery and how patient they are. My guess is that they know it takes time and are in rush to trade an ace recovering from injury.
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