LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season Edition
by thedirkatron on Jul 1, 2008 8:05 AM CDT
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PrintI waited as long as I could, but it's finally time for everybody's favorite meaningless in-season community exercise: The Lonestarball Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season Edition!!!
These are always interesting, and the discussion the votes generate is often more fun than the voting.
For a frame of reference, here is the top 15 from the final list we came up with over the Winter:
1. RHP, Eric Hurley
2. 1b/3b, Chris Davis
3. SS, Elvis Andrus
4. LHP, Kasey Kiker
5. C, Taylor Teagarden
6. RHP, Michael Main
7. RHP, Blake Beavan
8. 2b, German Duran
9. OF, Engel Beltre
10. C/DH, Max Ramirez
11. LHP, Matt Harrison
12. RHP, Omar Poveda
13. (TIE) 3b, Johnny Whittleman
13. (TIE) RHP, Neftali Feliz
13. (TIE) RHP, Thomas Diamond
Enough has happened so far this season that I think we need a new list, so it's time to get a mid-season snapshot of our system!
Again: This vote is to determine how the LSB community would rank the players currently in the system. I've listed any guy I thought could possibly be considered a threat to be our top prospect.
Since this is the mid-season CPP, I want to get through these as fast as possible. I'll leave each one up for 24 hours, and then get right into the next one, with no run-offs. If a vote is close, then a vote is close.
So please check in daily if you don't want to miss a vote.
And... well, that's about it.
Polls are open, So please vote in the poll at at the bottom of the fanpost!
Oh, and if you're one of those bug-eyed weirdos who likes to spend his (or her) time perusing past CPP lists, here are some links just for you:
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A couple of notes:
- I'm still playing around with the new fanpost tools, so things will get better as this goes along. As we get a little deeper I'll try to put in some quick player statistics to help you choose between the players.
- It appears I can put as many names on the poll as I like now, which will be a welcome change. No more whiny, petulant minor league know-it-alls complaining that they're favorite 16 year-old DSL prospect isn't on the poll yet. Yah, I'm looking at you, Zwyica and Shroom! :)
- That being said, I'm open to suggestions for players to put on the list next. If you feel there's someone deserving missing from the poll, let me know and he'll be added next time. Don't be shy.
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Davis
Combine his sick power numbers, the fact he has gotten better at each level and the fact that he is barely 2 years removed from being drafted and yet already in the bigs and contributing makes him the clear cut #1 in my eyes.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yep
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
Heh
I remember taking shit for having him so high in the winter.
Feeling a bit vindicated, now.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I went back and looked, and no one gave you any shit about having him that high.
The only thing I could find was my statement abut how much our system had taken a step forward and how many guys could make a case for being placed above Davis. I wouldn’t call that “shit”. It was more a statement for our system than against Davis. I voted for Andrus above Davis, but had Davis above Andrus when I did my own for-fun personal list later in the winter.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I'll have to find the thread I'm thinking of
I just remember a lot of hostility when promoting CD before he got his plate discipline under control, somewhat.
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Persecution Complex!!!!
I keed, I keed!
Maybe you’re right. I only looked at the old CPP threads, since they’re the best, most handsome fanposts around.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I went with Feliz
and right after I voted started thinking I should have gone with Davis. It’s very close and very hard to pick since they are at different levels of development.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
It's nice that there are other options...
...like Feliz or Andrus or MaxRam. It says a lot about how far this farm system has come.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
A flip flopper runs MavsMoneyball?
What the hell is up with a blog named after a stupid Matt Pinto-ism anyway?
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 1, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Wes doesn't run MavsMoneyball anymore
some dude named Toddy does.
And he actually, you know, makes posts, so it’s a bit of an upgrade.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 1, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't mean it as like a super insult or anything
From what I recall Wes got married then get some extra responsibility at work or something. There are more important things than sports blogs, and I certainly don’t fault him for finding them.
It’s just good that someone who actually wants/has the time to run a sports blog is running it now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 1, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That is BS
Your life long dream was to run mavsmoneyball…. When Wes got married and gave the job to Toddy you were crushed and now you hate Wes. How can “thedirkatron” spend more time on a baseball site than an NBA site?
Poser.
"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler
hah
You caught me.
After I was so cruelly passed over for my dream job I was beyond distraught. My life was nearly ruined by my Miles-esque inner rage.
Fortunately I found an outlet for my anger: Beating you at fantasy baseball. ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 1, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis is the clear choice for me...
... he has the right combination of being young, but also experienced, of having a high ceiling, but also having accomplished a lot, and having tools and the stats to back them up.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
I was just thinking that Clinton really could use Smoak in their lineup.
Then they go off for 17.
Go Rangers!
Went with Davis
though Feliz deserves it just as much. Or maybe it should be the other way around. I’m going Davis, Feliz, Smoak for the top 3, then I’m really going to have to start thinking hard.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Do you really think
they’re not going to sign him? He is the obvious jewel of this draft, they are not going to let him get away.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
CD
CD doesn’t have a B-side. He da man.
Feliz, best arm in the minors, too far away to feel like he is as likely or more likely to have impact seasons than CD.
Go Rangers!
Whoa now
Best arm in the minors is a huge stretch.
He's not the best pitcher, but I don't think anyone can match his fastball.
He’s working really hard on his changeup, according to radio reports. If he gets a hold of that pitch, he could be the best pitcher on the farm in short order.
I’m still a bigger fan of Main, but Feliz probably has the better arm of the two.
Go Rangers!
Oh, you're talking about within our system
In that case, I agree.
Are these dudes still prospects?
Luis Mendoza, 32 IP
Boggs, 149 AB
Metcalf, 170 AB
Nippert, 78 IP
AJ, 35 IP
Mathis, 22 IP
Duran, 81 AB (36 Games)
Go Rangers!
Going by BA standards
130 AB’s or 50 ip.
So Boggs, Metcalf and Dusty Tits are out.
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Davis
I was skeptical of him being able to put it all together when he jumped to Frisco last year, but he’s adjusted and then some and now he’s mashing homers and doubles for the big club (against seasoned ML pitchers no less) at the ripe old age of 22. He is THE man. Hurley’s nice, as is Neftali, but I think Davis has the potential to be a star while Hurley looks to be a solid pitcher, and Neftali…I really want to put him #1, but I just can’t. It’s the eternal battle of the show-me vs. the prospect potential that rages inside my brain every time these rankings go up…
Here are just a few of the key ingredients: dynamite, pole vaulting, laughing gas, choppers - can you see how incredible this is going to be? - hang gliding, come on! -- Dignan
It's funny looking back
Poveda ahead, and Whittleman tied with Feliz.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
How about Edinson Volquez at #9 in last year's mid-season list?
That’s right up there with Masset at #4 n our first list in term of all-time bonehead moves by us.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Masset's been good this year.
35 1/3 IP, 27 K, 3.31 ERA. Those numbers are similar to Rupe’s but with a higher K-rate.
Besides, there’s no comparing that top-10 to the current top-10, even with Danks and Volquez at the top.
Go Rangers!
This made me look up DRH
Short unhappy stint with Cincy, now back in the Int’l League coming off a sour June in the minors. DRH is in regroup mode it sounds like.
I went with Feliz
Simply because Davis is beginning to break into the Majors, so he’s not going to be a “prospect” to me much longer – he’s going to be our everyday first basman.
Right now I really think Feliz is our most exciting, most electrifying “prospect” – he’s #1, with Smoak coming in at #2.
prospect
But since we have only seen him play in 3 games he is still a prospect now which is when these rankings are taking place. So you are telling me you aren’t going to vote for Davis at all? I guess that means Hurley, Duran, and Max are out of your ballots as well
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If you pick and choose who you think is a prospect
then it sort of ruins the exercise, Jon.
If they’re on the list, they’re on the list. Vote for who you think is best, no who you think is best of the guys you think should be eligible.
Don’t ruin everything, ruiner.
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I think No. 1 is pretty obvious in the Beasticon.
However, I’m very, VERY interested to see how 2-5 shake out with Andrus, Hurley, Feliz, Smoak, Teagarden, Ramirez, etc.
You know, there’s been a lot of bitching about general managers and the “direction” of the team over the past few years, but when you look at the wealth of talent we have in the minors, it’s hard to fault anyone in the organization.
"Boy, that is a gutless, 6-foot-7, .200-hitting formerly good player. What a joke." -Tom Grieve RE: Richie Sexson
2-5
Teagarden should not be in the discussion for this level of prospect after his first half this season. In fact i would argue he is probably not in the top 10 right now. Andrus, Hurley, Max, Smoak, Kiker, Feliz, and Beavan are clearly above him in my opinion with Beltre, Harrison, Borbon, Hunter, Ramirez and Main all in that 10-13 range along with TT.
My 2-5 is gonna be Feliz, Max, Smoak, Andrus. With Max getting a slight nod over Smoak simply due to this first half and the fact he is in and performing in the majors right now
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
whoops
Forgot about Hurley in my top 5. I think he would slide into the 4 hole pushing Smoak and Andrus down a notch. Wow thats crazy to think that Elvis Andrus is not in my top 5 prospects right now.
I do give a bit of a bump to guys who have made it to the bigs and have performed well which is why I have Smoak so low.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
are you kidding me?
hurley over smoak AND andrus?
why? not stats for damn sure
i think it was Ask BA that said smoak COULD be texas #1 prospect in the offseason…
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Hurley
Its just a personal thing. The gap between 1 and 5 is not that big. They are almost interchangeable. But based on Hurleys last month and a half in OKC and his brief stint in Arlington I give him a bump over those two. I don’t know enough about Smoak yet and the fact he hasn’t taken a pro swing yet drops him a little in my opinion.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Davis
Davis is without a doubt the best performer in the system. He’s put up video game numbers at every level.
I still think that Feliz is the better prospect. He’s been unhittable as a 20 year old in Low A. From what we’ve heard from BP and BA, it sounds like worst case scenario he is a top notch bullpen arm and best case scenaro he is a top of the rotation starter.
To me Davis still has some Billy Ashley possibilities. There’s still a big question for me if he’ll make enough contact to be a star. And the number one prospect should be a star. At least in this system.
I don’t know.
"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08
+1
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
This is gonna be fun
So much talent this year
"Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?"
Julio Borbon
I know he isnt the number one prospect but it is nice to already see him in AA. Im thinking possible sept 09 callup. First time in quite a while we have a legit CF/Leadoff hitter prospect.
try sept 08
just for a brief cameo but we will see him this year most likely. Sept 09 will probably be his first serious chance to audition for a spot on the 2010 roster
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Start new thread
It’s obvious Davis is #1 and it looks like Feliz is #2, lets start a new poll.
We need to vote for 2nd
Feliz is great, but it is possible that the 50+ votes he has received are from the high-ceiling/high-risk people, while the 100+ who voted for Davis may go for someone closer to The Show who is a little higher probability of success…
It’d be interesting to see whether Feliz wins the landslide that you think he would – I for one would not have Feliz #2 – just too far away in a too deep system…
voted for feliz
I didnt really think about davis because now i see him as pretty much a fixture in the major league plans from here on out. Ditto for hurley, dont see either of them getting sent back down and I know its early for davis, but dude is just performing and showing good range at first.
with that said, davis is our best prospect as much. as I really like feliz, its hard to argue with what davis has done at all three stops so far this year.
must have clicked on the wrong person
i dont see how lemon is in the top 10.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Longhorn or miles
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont think guys in the majors or on the 25 man roster
should be an option.
thats just me but its the reason i went neftali as i didnt see CD as a guy who is a prospect even if it is silly
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
why?
they are still a prospect
davis has what, THREE games at the major league level?
as of now hes still a prospect.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
besides, he’s going back to AAA when blalock returns….
;-)
by Kevin McBrayer on Jul 1, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
depends
Guys like Boggs and Duran I agree shouldn’t be eligible but Hurley, Max and Davis have very very little ML experience. They should absolutely be considered and to me that gives them a slight bump which can make the difference in my eyes in a close decision
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Only 81 AB's for Duran so far
If he went down right now and didn’t come back up this season he’d be on the prospect lists this off season.
Hard to exclude him.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
yeah
Hes just been up so long I forget he hasn’t had a whole lot of ABs. That being said I don’t think he would crack the top 15 at this point
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
CD
“Big Daddy” is #1
and I wrote him in in all my all-star votes for shagrins…...
Please forgive any and all typos, mispellings, etc.
Your kindess in this matter is appreciated.
Damn have things changed...
I gotta go Davis at #1, but damn do I love me some Neftali.
I think the top of my board goes Davis, Feliz, Smoak, Hurley, Ramirez, Andrus.
Neftali is easily the most improved and Hurley slid with his AAA performance but has looked good so far with the big club. I think he goes down just because Davis and Feliz have been so great and the Rangers somehow stole Smoak in the draft.
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