Rangers draftee news
by Adam J. Morris
on Jul 18, 2008 10:11 PM CDT
Already packed with one of the best systems in baseball, the Rangers rarely shy away from writing big checks at the signing deadline, and this year looks to be no different. While figuring out the value of first-round pick Justin Smoak might still take some time, the Rangers look like they've already come to terms with second-round pick Robbie Ross for a seven-figure bonus. A three-pitch left-hander with above-average stuff, Ross will simply add to what's becoming an organizational embarrassment of riches when it comes to young arms. They're also close to spending big money on seventh-round selection Matt Thompson, a Dallas-area right-hander who will get well over a half-million to go pro. Another player the Rangers will go over slot on is fifth-round pick Clark Murphy; the California high school first baseman has monstrous raw power and will sign for third-round money in the $350,000 range.
UPDATE --Via Grant on the DMN blog, Jon Daniels calls Goldstein's report "inaccurate," that the Rangers are working on reaching agreements with these guys, but don't have anything to report yet.
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Sweet
I excited about Ross.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jul 18, 2008 10:15 PM CDT 0 recs
yeah maybe in 4 years he wont suck in the majors, maybe wooooooooooo
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 19, 2008 12:03 AM CDT
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a lefty with ..
a nice fast ball and excellent control of all of his pitches can move throught the system more quickly.
by Goyogringo on
Jul 19, 2008 12:09 AM CDT
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i still find it hard to be excited about
players who wont be in at least AA for a year or 2
i mean i know it sometimes pays off but i like following guys when they get to AA, like Andrus, Feliz, Borbon, and Hunter
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 19, 2008 2:11 AM CDT
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Will you still be a Rangers fan in 4 years?
Do you only want them to get better for the next 2-3 years? I don’t understand your feelings here.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Jul 19, 2008 7:09 AM CDT
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+1
I actually don’t understand much anything ‘hands says…
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by lonestarJon on
Jul 19, 2008 8:26 AM CDT
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No doubt
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jul 19, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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how often do the people you draft make it to the majors?? and if they do how often do they succed??
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 19, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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you're right
lets just stop signing draftees and signing international free agents
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Jul 19, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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Good lord
You cannot be serious.
Don’t you realize that every single player in the majors was either once drafted or signed as an international free agent???
by BlackHawk125 on
Jul 19, 2008 12:46 PM CDT
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+1MM
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jul 19, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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Holy crap
that’s the hardest I’ve laughed in several days.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Jul 19, 2008 4:21 PM CDT
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i see that no one can answer my question
i researched and for 2004 and 2005 and for 20 top 10 picks, 4 guys have made it and none of them have done anything good besides hurley who is too early to tell
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 19, 2008 11:26 PM CDT
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So how do you propose...
putting a team together? Just signing FA every year? Keep in mind they can’t be FA from other teams who were drafted.
Everyone here knows the probablities of drafted players making the majors. The point is that you draft and sign so many players that chances are some will make it. Especially if you have good scouts.
Besides I still plan on being a Rangers fan for…oh…ya know…FOREVER. That allows me to get excited about some of these kids that are 2, 3, or 4 years away.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 20, 2008 12:35 AM CDT
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agreed
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 20, 2008 12:56 AM CDT
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So...
You disagree with yourself? Hmn,,,
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by lonestarJon on
Jul 20, 2008 4:25 AM CDT
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nope
the dumbasses on here acted like everyone you draft and sign will come to the majors and dominate
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 20, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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no
but if you dont sign anyone they cant make it to the majors either.
look at successful teams like the angels, they build from within and supplement with fa signings. you cant JUST sign free agents
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Jul 20, 2008 1:58 PM CDT
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yep you gotta sign a lot of picks so some of them work out
but you cant get all excited about one guy getting signed
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 21, 2008 12:26 AM CDT
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and not every free agent signing works out
so don’t get excited because one guy signs
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Jul 21, 2008 5:06 AM CDT
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How do you...
make that statement after agreeing with what I said above?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 20, 2008 10:44 PM CDT
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lol so you think every guy you sign makes it to the majors and succeeds??
ya you have to sign a lot of picks so some of them work out but there is no reason to get all excited about a guy signing
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
by nice hands on
Jul 21, 2008 12:25 AM CDT
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Kind of like how you suck now?
You of trade all hitting for pitching? So they sign a very good pitcher and you are still not happy.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jul 19, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Yeah!
Great to hear….Let’s Smoak signed and a couple of these guys traded…
by ACtheStud1980 on Jul 18, 2008 10:16 PM CDT 0 recs
I'm Hoppycited
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 18, 2008 10:18 PM CDT 0 recs
Links....
Give us some links…always fun to look at them
by ACtheStud1980 on Jul 18, 2008 10:19 PM CDT 0 recs
???
Click on Kevin Goldstein in AJM’s post.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jul 18, 2008 10:22 PM CDT
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These guys i pretty much considered locks
its the Armstrongs, Matinezes, and those other late round HS kids im curious about
by laxtonto on Jul 18, 2008 10:27 PM CDT 0 recs
there was a lot of thought that Ross
might slip through our fingers and no one really knew anything about Thomson or Murphy so it’s good to hear, especially since it’s in our favor.
by Hull Fan on
Jul 18, 2008 10:38 PM CDT
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If we're not going to make a big splash
in Latin America then they need to make a huge push on all the draft picks they can sign. I just hope we can include Armstrong, Martinez, or Rudy’s kid. Ponying up for draft picks is just smart business. I love JD’s push to sign these guys. His three drafts have been impressive so far.
by Hull Fan on Jul 18, 2008 10:28 PM CDT 0 recs
Yep
If we just take the money that we offered Inoa, we can sign all the guys listed above along with Martinez and Armstrong.
by uthornfan on
Jul 18, 2008 10:51 PM CDT
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Never say never
It would not suprise me if JD gets it done.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jul 18, 2008 11:10 PM CDT
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Based on the "he's due" theory?
I Stole The Red Finger !
by Clueless on
Jul 19, 2008 1:19 AM CDT
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I am not saying he will sign
but if we offer him seven figures, I bet we can get him and his agent to sit down at the table.
by uthornfan on
Jul 18, 2008 11:15 PM CDT
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stands to reason based on his former glory. He was once ranked as a first rounder until he had a bad senior yr. I would go to college and try to get my first round money back – no one will offer him close to that now. Lemon held out for 1million (!) and I wouldn’t offer Martinez anything close to that.
by Goyogringo on
Jul 19, 2008 12:07 AM CDT
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I seem to remember
that a ranger’s staff member said it was kind of a WTF pick. They would follow him over the summer and evaluate the situation in August to see if he was worth an offer. Does anyone know where he is playing this summer, Cape Cod? I haven’t noticed his name on the rosters in my quick perusals.
by Goyogringo on
Jul 19, 2008 12:12 AM CDT
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Compare the money reported to what similarly slotted draftees have gotten.
by shroomer on Jul 18, 2008 10:29 PM CDT 1 recs
some of these agents must really suck judging from some of the signings way below slot!! I need to look into that gig.
by Goyogringo on
Jul 18, 2008 11:16 PM CDT
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Most of the guys...
...who sign way below slot are college seniors. Zero leverage. They take what they are offered, and they will like it.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 18, 2008 11:39 PM CDT
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good point
thought most seniors are selected outside of the top 10 rounds…
by Goyogringo on
Jul 19, 2008 12:07 AM CDT
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case and point...
FSU Sr. Ryan Strauss. He was drafted in the 9th round. The two players drafted before him both college juniors, signed for $145k, and $75k. The players after him, a community college freshman signed for $150k.
Strauss, signed for $30k.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on
Jul 19, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Also has anyone heard anything about Castner?
Heck I’d practically forgotten the Rangers drafted him. He’s another possible bullpen arm with whom they need to get a deal done.
by Hull Fan on Jul 18, 2008 10:37 PM CDT 0 recs
I think he may be hurt....
Last I checked he only had 1 IP in the Cape Cod league. So maybe he returns to school? BA really ragged on his mechanics but the Ranger’s obviously thought they could straghten him out. He has a good arm but bad control.
by Goyogringo on
Jul 18, 2008 10:39 PM CDT
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Late JR College draftees
There are 3 JC guys drafted late that I am curious about: Brian Feekin, Steve Pryor, and Truman Sample. All have intriguing size, ranging from 6’4”-6’6” and 210-225lbs.
by Goyogringo on Jul 18, 2008 10:45 PM CDT 0 recs
young arms
Ross will simply add to what’s becoming an organizational embarrassment of riches when it comes to young arms
Young arms are the new currency. Forget free agents. You need a player to get you over the top, go get someone like Teixeira. I didn’t work out for the Braves but they have a good farm and could absorb the losses.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 18, 2008 11:00 PM CDT 0 recs
Does Kevin Goldstein drink a lot?
I Stole The Red Finger !
by Clueless on Jul 19, 2008 1:18 AM CDT 0 recs
"...the Rangers rarely shy away from writing big checks at the signing deadline..."
Given that this is the common excuse around here as to why JD didn’t make another deal, I’m surprised that you guys aren’t up in arms about this statement.
Nah…I’m really not surprised…
I Stole The Red Finger !
by Clueless on Jul 19, 2008 1:21 AM CDT 0 recs
That's because
When it comes to draft picks, the Rangers regularly go over slot to sign players. So why would anyone (except someone looking for any excuse to bash JD) argue with a statement that’s true?
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on
Jul 19, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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this doesn't make any sense
he doesn’t shy away from writing big checks at the signing deadline, how are you going to come up with an argument against that?
some people have nothing better to do than find a way to bash jd and i’m sick of it. the man isn’t perfect but nothing he does is good enough for some of you people.
He could bring in the worlds best pitcher and you flaming pieces of dog doo would say he should have gotten 2.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Jul 19, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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yeah, this is right up there with
nice hands confusing…
But maybe he means that “we complain” about how they don’t shell out money for free agents, but they will for draft picks?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on
Jul 19, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Yep...
if the Rangers didn’t sign draft picks he’d be bitching about how the team is too cheap to sign these kids. He’s just wanting to complain about everything JD does.
I haven’t heard anyone make any excuses about why JD won’t pull the trigger on any deals. If a deal isn’t made it’s because JD doesn’t feel it will help out the team, that’s his job.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 19, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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JD doesn't even write the checks!
Speaking of ridiculous bashers…why don’t you guys try to think before you attack.
Tom Hicks is the guy who won’t write the big checks…anymore.
The problem with JD not being able to sign players…yes, FA…but also there was an issue w/ Beavan, as I recall…was given that Hicks wouldn’t pony up.
This is even more true with free agents.
Yes, it has been repeatedly said that JD can’t pull the trigger because he is hamstrung.
I’m guessing that I could find such a statement from you.
You guys aren’t really as smart as you pretend. Act like it.
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by Clueless on
Jul 19, 2008 4:12 PM CDT
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No
You’re still wrong.
Using Beavan as an example of Hicks not being willing to pay a player? When the Rangers not only DID sign him, but went over slot money to do so?
They also went over slot last year for Ramirez and Hunter, Marcus Lemon in 2006, Teagarden in 2005, and had the high offer for Michael Inoa this year.
I’m not sure where you get the idea that Hicks won’t pay the going rate for draft picks, when he’s done the exact opposite pretty much his entire tenure as an owner. Free agency is another matter, but given what massive busts Zito and GMJ have been, and how much better Hamilton has been than Torii Hunter, I’m not sure where Hicks has exactly hurt the team on that front either.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on
Jul 19, 2008 5:02 PM CDT
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In fact...
...in the early 21st century, Tom Hicks was getting ripped in the media (well, by Gerry Fraley, primarily) for paying too much for draft picks.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 19, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
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and by all of baseball
for his free agent spending. Then he tries to be a little more careful on who he offers big money to and gets called out for being cheap. Amazing. There are so many things you can criticize Hicks for, I just don’t get why people pick anything to do with payroll to harangue about.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Jul 19, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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Your ignorance...
is perplexing.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 19, 2008 5:07 PM CDT
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Guillen / CJ
by GregoryM on Jul 19, 2008 2:05 AM CDT 0 recs
He's right, but
It seems there is some discrepancies between their stories. Who started yelling at the other first? According to CJ Ozzie was yelling and laughing at him before the Thome at-bat and he was just responding to that.
by rcreative on
Jul 19, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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thats what i thought too
but who knows….ozzie did have some valid points but he’s still a douche
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Jul 19, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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Nice job Grant...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 19, 2008 2:28 AM CDT 0 recs
inaccurate
probably means they agreed to overslot and want to keep it quiet. seems like this happened last season too.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 19, 2008 6:46 AM CDT 0 recs
Think
IF this does turn out to be true and Hicks then signs Sheets in the off season, how much does that dispell the belief that he does not spend enough money on the Rangers to win?
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by hinduplaya on Jul 19, 2008 7:49 AM CDT 0 recs
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