Minors 7/19/08
by SaltyDawg on Jul 19, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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PrintNellie Cruz has gone deep twice (28,29) for OKC
Elvis is 2-2 with 2 RBI and got stolen base #38 for Frisco
Ryan Tatusko went 7 shutout innings for Clinton and K'd 5
Miguel De Los Santos went 3 scoreless for the AZL Rangers and K'd 4
Martin Perez is about to take the hill for Spokane
Dutch goes for Bakersfield in about 30 minutes
I drank too much last night so I'm staying in tonight and the Rangers (thank God) are already done. So, feel free to talk minors, Erin Andrews, Dark Knight, whatever...I'm posted up for the evening.
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Seriously
I rather have us get a last look at Cruz then have Byrd playing semi-regularly. I know Byrd can play CF but that about it.
Another good night
3-4 , 3 HR’s and 5 RBI
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jul 19, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He can't do anything.
The only way he gets called up is if someone gets hurt or Byrd gets traded. After what he’s done so far this season, it doesn’t seem like he can earn his way back.
I have been fine with leaving him down there all season
because the OF has been in good shape and he has built up some trade value and if you bring him up and he lays an egg…he loses most of that. But now, I am all for giving him another shot. His numbers are absolutely insane. If there isn’t someone out there ready to overpay for him, then I make him the everyday RFer down the stretch.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
1st Inning for Perez
2 hits, 1 BB, 1 K, 2 groundouts, 0 runs
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Sabathia has some serious power
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Dark Knight...
let me down. I know, I’m going to hear a lot of “are you kidding me?” responses, but Heath Ledger was good, NOT oscar-worthy, and the movie actually wasn’t as good in my mind as Batman Begins.
Bring Cruz up pronto. that is all
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
I'm tired of hearing about it
With all the media attention it’s gotten I’m wondering if it cures cancer or something. If Ledger was still alive would it get this much attention?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Obviously, not as much
But It’d still be lauded as one of the best films of this decade.
See it for yourself, It’s far too difficult for me to summarize two and a half hours without giving spoilers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
OK, let me elaborate a little
Ledger’s Joker is the most well-portrayed, chilling villain I’ve seen since Anthony Hopkins’ Hannibal Lecter.
And while my opinion may cool once the initial rush has worn off, right now I’d have to consider it the best movie I’ve seen probably since Gump or Shawshank.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
Ledger was money...
but the movie was good, not great. That’s just my opinion.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Ledger was great
but when you look at some of the past Jokers (i.e. Jack Nicholson), its not really that hard to become the epitome of what the Joker should look like, like Ledger has become…
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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Perez through 2 innings
5 hits, 2 runs, 1 BB, 1 K
And he can’t chew it over in the dugout because he isn’t old enough to buy tobacco
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
chew
Heh, I chewed in little league and I bought it myself. Probably couldn’t do that these days. I don’t think I’ve chewed since little league actually…
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Well some gas stations seem to operate on the honor system
I was in line behind a kid who looked about 16 the other day and he throws a 6 pack up on the counter and the guy working just asks him how old he is. He told him 23, bought the beer and left. I don’t care one way or the other, but it made me laugh cause they had like ten of those “21 means 21” signs around the counter and door area.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
True story
When I was 12 my cousin and I rode our bikes into town, bought a 12-pack each at the local hole in the wall, and carried it home on our bikes. Drank ourselves silly, and somehow had the presence of mind to clean everything up before my mom got home from work in the morning. Crazy summer. While other kids were off to camp I was testing Tickle Pink, blue ribbon beer, and Mad Dog.
“Mama tried, mama tried…”
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw Mad Dog on your list
I have had more than one bad experience with that stuff
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
"that Nighttrain is a mean wine"
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
Where’d you grow up, dude?
I have to admit, while familiar with the MD 20/20, I do not know Tickle Pink.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Western New York
Boone’s Farm is a cheap flavored apple wine, Tickle Pink and Fuzzy Navel are two flavors I imbibed when young. I wouldn’t touch it now.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Ahh yes the boones,
We used to get a dozen of those when we were younger and indulged. But like you say T, I wouldn’t touch it.
R u from western NY?The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
From western NY
yes, grew up south of Buffalo, small, small towns, Collins area. Family still lives there. Aren’t you from Rochester or something?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
one of my best friends lives up there. She lives in Newark. Everyone always tries to correct me and say New Jersey but no there is a Newark, New York.
by Kevin McBrayer on Jul 20, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah buddy,
Im from Rochester, or Ra Cha Cha as we like to call it.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Perez worked around an error in the third by picking him off 1st base
and then getting back to back pop outs to second base. Same line through 3
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Holland worked a quick and easy 1-2-3 1st Inning
a ground out and two fly outs
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
2nd Inning
Strikeout, Strikeout, Groundout
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
2nd strike-out was on a 96 MPH fastball
by spurdynasty on Jul 19, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I heard them say that
and that was after they heaped praise on his slider in the previous strikeout.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
He is getting ahead of everybody too
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
He's better than your boy Beavan
has the “mentality” you like with better ability
by Baider on Jul 20, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
that's one of them
better changeup, velocity, left-handed, more K’s, more experience…
I don’t dislike Beavan, just think he’s overrated. If he grew up in Kansas or New Jersey, he’d be just another high round pick.
by Baider on Jul 20, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
3rd Inning
Groundout to 2nd Base, Strikeout, Fly Out to the track
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
4th Inning
Line out to CF, Line out to 1B (Gac makes diving catch), Single to CF, Runner steals 2nd, Fly out to LF
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Holland and Feliz
not to mention Hunter..
things could change dramatically for our pitching staff in the next year.
Spokane exploded for 4 runs in the 3rd and 7 runs in the 4th
Perez is done. His Line;
4 Innings, 6 hits, 2 runs, 1 BB, 3 K
Spokane leads 11-2
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Derek Holland 5th Inning
Line out, Ground out, error by Gac, RBI double (runner thrown out trying to stretch it to a triple)
Blaze down 1-0 going into bottom of fifth
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Clinton's game was suspended due to wind after 12 innings
They are tied with Dayton at 1-1 and will finish the game tomorrow at 3:00
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Blaze get 3 runs in the 5th and lead 3-1
If Lemon can hit .300 with some gap power and his on base skills he will validate a lot of people’s praise of him.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Forget that
right now he has gap power at 173 lbs.
What happens when he gets to 185 or so? Yeah, he’ll probably be full time 2B (which he probably is already), but he might very well have 15 HR power as he develops
Well if he develops that kind of power
to go with his OBP, he will be a very solid player. Add to that his decent speed (though he needs to work on his base running skills) and the fact that he would benefit defensively from a move to 2B. Lots to like in the Rangers’ system at the middle infield spots.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Lemon mythology
Let’s see, I hate to burst the Joseph Campbellesque Lemon mythology but…
07 128g 31E (39E/162g) 12/26sb .462
08 78g 28E (58E/162g) 7/13sb .538
Hopefully a few more doubles will blind a future trade partner enough so that we can trade a future utility guy, a utility guy who can only be trusted to play second base, for a stud relief pitcher.
Most overrated
Lemon, Whittleman, Phillips, Schlact, Yan and Solis
I haven’t heard praise for anyone but Lemon on LSB.
I’d have to say the other players are unrated or frowned on (Whittleman).
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Because Whittleman hasn't shown enough to prove he's actually a prospect.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
Yeah
It would really be nice if we could get some kind of third base prospect at the deadline this year. Now that Borbon and Beltre are coming on a little more in the minors, I think the weak spot of this organization right now really is third base. We’ve basically got nobody in the farm system who you can call a future Major League option right now.
Classic iorange555: "lmao too bad i watched [the all-star game] at a friends house ;[ much funer on here"
not playing the position currently
but there are player who could potentially move there. I think you Vallejo is an option to move there since he reportedly has a great arm and of course is blocked by Kinsler. 3B also just isn’t much of a concern because of Young at the Major League level.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I respect the fact that you like Lemon
but other than his advanced approach at the plate, what other plus skills does he posses? He is basically average across the board. At least for me, he was very underwhelming to watch on the field. Except for his dreamy eyes of course.
His stats as a 20 year old in High A have been excellent and his character is off-the-charts. But Lemon just doesn’t appear to have the skill set necessary to be classified as anything more than a solid utility player in the making.
I’d love to be wrong about him but he just doesn’t seem like a top 25 guy to me.
Developing power, ability to hit for average
a history of hitting very well out of the leadoff spot and a model of consistency.
He has a higher slg% than a lot of those prospects we say is in the top 25 and is still developing as a hitter and in terms of his body.
Honestly, it comes back to three things – 1) I believe guys develop power, especially very young guys. Lemon isn’t a small dude, he’s already hitting a good amount of linedrives. Those are the guys that I think could develop power in the future. 2) I really value OBP. I think if he continues to be this patient. and if he develops power, we’ll have essentially Kenny Lofton. 3) With young players, I rarely care about high error totals, especially SS, since it seems the majority of them move out of the position anyways.
I see a .300/.400/.450 line as great for a 20 year old “SS” at high A. I don’t understand how anyone can look at his consistency and his performance and not say “holy crap, this guy is pretty good”.
you should be singing the praises of
vallejo and duran then: developing power, hits for average, PLUS defense.
Errors
who cares?
Saying a player is not a prospect because of errors is unnecessarily restrictive. It’s like saying the worth of a prospect is solely determined by his draft position
The error of Lemon's ways
but it’s not just errors, I’ve seen nothing but negative reviews of his defense, and I’ve never seen anyone defend his defense as being better than his error totals might indicate (as they do with guys like Arias and Andrus).
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I've never seen anyone
discuss Lemon period. Being drafted, it was said he had great range, for all we know, he might very well still. Even then, even if he was a 2B or a LF long term, there’s a lot of value in a guy who hits for gap power with great plate patience. hell, Frank Catalanotto is proof that OBP will get you a job.
Sure
but assuming that Lemon is going to be a .400 OBP guy at the major league level is quite a stretch.
But assuming he's gonna be a .380 OBP 2b
isn’t much of a stretch, is it?
It’s funny that I get hated on for being high on Borbon despite his poor plate discipline, but when I get a man-boner for a guy like Lil’ Lemon who has incredible plate discipline I get hated on for that too.
My man crushes just can’t win with y’all, huh?
In all seriousness though, I see a guy who has great plate discipline, is young for his league, is developing some pretty nice gap power, who has decent MIF tools (seems to be a tweener to me: below average for a SS, but more than adequate for a 2b), and who is supposedly off the charts in terms of “intangibles”.
He lacks the requisite ceiling to be a star so I can’t rate him too high, but he looks like a guy who’s going to be a solid major leaguer for a very long time.
He’s in my top 15 for shizzle.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah well I think Matt Harrison is ugly and I've heard he has terrible manners
So there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Omar Vizquel
He had 25 errors in ‘87 and ‘88 during his minor league days and he wound up doing okay for himself.
by Kevin McBrayer on Jul 20, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Lil' Lemon is the shiznit
Very underrated by many, imo.
His OBP skills are crazy good.
I heart him so hard it hurts.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 19, 2008 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
mine was vallejo
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
mine was holland
and I dont want that hater coming around saying it isnt so, not only am i the conductor of the holland bandwagon brigade but i built the hitch myself just so there is no confusion out there. Plus I recently added a second story to the bandwagon and it wasnt easy, took up a lot of time and money, but hey it had to be done due to our growing concerns of limited space.
Anyone laying claim to this here bandwagon can easily win it back by telling me what name is written beneath the saddle? (hint movie reference and first one wins shotgun on what is sure to be one hell of a ride)
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
Lemon rips ANOTHER double
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Lemon
Does he see Frisco this year?
It wouldn’t shock me to see Andrus get a promo to clear room.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
My first thought when I heard the Rangers may be shopping Arias
was that it may be to clear an everyday spot for Elvis at OKC. He has steadily improved and a late season promo would give the Rangers a better idea of where he could figure in in 2009 and beyond. With Lemon’s power numbers increasing, he might warrant some time in Frisco this year cause the OBP doesn’t look to be going anywhere.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Make that 3 doubles
3-5, 3 2Bs,
Marcus was seen shouting “Fuck you Adrian Cardenas” as he rounded 1st
That's not true
no one could see him on his way to second b/c he was moving so damn fast
You know when people say, “they got this team’s #2 and #3 prospects” to justify deals? Imagine a team trying to sell his fans on a trade with Texas…trying to explain how they got the #13 and #18 prospects and it is an amazing deal….he would be right….but you would still have people arguing he got fleeced
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Holland through 6 innings
1 run (unearned) on 2 hits with 4 strikeouts and no walks
Blaze lead 3-1
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
He may move up even more than our poll
when this season is over. He excites me. And besides Feliz and my crush on Hunter I can’t say that about anyone else still in the minors.
Through 7 innings
1 unearned run on 2 hits with 6 strikeouts and no walks
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Are you listening or are you following the box?
If you’re listening, have they mentioned his velo in the later innings? Is he still 93-96 in the 7th?
I'm listening too
That comment from tyd3311 is a direct quote from the announcer following his first K of the 8th inning. He didn’t mention the speed, but said that with some conviction.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Derek Holland 8th inning
Strikeout (3rd straight), Strikeout (4th straight) 2-3 PO on dropped 3rd strike, Strikeout (5th straight)
He was ahead of every hitter 0-2
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Holland
impressive thing is, he’s facing the same lineup two times in a row, so it’s not like this is their first time seeing him
have you heard a pitch count?
trying to figure out if he will go back for the 9th…the way he is pitching I would imagine he’s going the distance
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Their's that Marcus Lemon again
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
That's what I would think too
but they haven’t mentioned anyone in the pen. Nolan Ryan effect?
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Well he has to be done now
this inning won’t end
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
I missed when they said that
and here he comes
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Spokane flippin the script on the big club
they lead 14-2 in the 9th over Yakima
Paisano has a HR and 5 RBI
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
paisano has done better of late
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
What a game for Holland
8 innings; 1 unearned run, 2 hits, 9 Ks, ZERO walks
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Will he start in Frisco next season?
If he keeps putting up these types of numbers in Bakersfield the rest of the way?
He should...
Just depends on how many more innings they let him throw this year, and if he keeps performing like he did tonight or not.
I would have Feliz and Dutch as the 1-2 in Frisco to start next year. Althoough I think Feliz will only stay there for 6-8 starts before going to OKC imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Elvis Andrus
http://www.masslive.com/bogen/republican/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1216538518325140.xml&coll=1&thispage=1
This writer compares Elvis Andrus to Luis Aparicio. I have not seen Andrus play yet, but do you think that is a fair comparison?
by GregoryM on Jul 20, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
some1 (just for you dirk diggler) needs to take nate gold behind the outhouse and shoot him to just put him out of his misery
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
ok the schtick is old
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
what is he hitting now
Is his BA up to a whopping .250 yet?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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