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LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #14

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After 191 votes, Julio Borbon has won the right to be called the LSB Community #13 prospect!

The list so far:
1. 1b, Chris Davis
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. RHP, Eric Hurley
4. SS, Elvis Andrus
5. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
6. 1b, Justin Smoak
7. RHP, Michael Main
8. RHP, Blake "C-Wun" Beavan
9. C, Taylor Teagarden
10. LHP Kasey Kiker
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. LHP, Matt Harrison
13. OF, Julio Borbon

Time to move on to the next vote.

The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.

And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.

NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who are currently in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect right now, so he goes on the list. It's that simple.

Poll
Who is currently the #14 prospect in the Rangers' system?
  • RHP, Tommy Hunter
  • RHP, Neil Ramirez
  • RHP, Wilmer Font
  • RHP, Omar Poveda
  • RHP, Thomas Diamond
  • RHP, Kennil Gomez
  • RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
  • RHP, Warner Madrigal
  • LHP, Robbie Ross
  • LHP, Derek Holland
  • LHP, Martin Perez
  • LHP, Beau Jones
  • C/OF, Cristian Santana
  • 2b, German Duran
  • 2b, Jose Vallejo
  • SS, Marcus Lemon
  • SS, Joaquin Arias
  • 3b, Matt West
  • OF, John Mayberry, Jr.

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3rd straight vote for Dutch from me

and he is making his case tonight

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 19, 2008 11:51 PM CDT   0 recs

how is feliz behind davis?

Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat

by nice hands on Jul 19, 2008 11:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Because while Feliz may be Walter Johnson

Davis is Babe Ruth.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739

by BudLight on Jul 19, 2008 11:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ya 8 hr in your first 18 games is pretty hard to beat

was it just me or when davis hit that homer today was the ball still traveling up

Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat

by nice hands on Jul 19, 2008 11:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That was a bullet

on a ball at his knees. Amazing power

by FirebatM3 on Jul 20, 2008 12:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

edit: i mean when he hit that homer and the ball hit the blue thing was the ball still traveling up

Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat

by nice hands on Jul 20, 2008 12:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is really, really tough

I’ve been voting for Borbon the last several polls and I have no idea who to vote for now. I could see a case for any number of guys here. Font, NeRa, Hunter, Ross, Dutch, Perez, Lil’ Lemon, Vallejo, JMJ or even Thomas Diamond.

I’ll probably go with Font just cause his Tremendous Upside Potential is off the freaking charts. But it’s tough to vote for someone who may or may not die of arm relayed AIDS before he ever pitches in a full season league. I’ll have to mull this one over.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 19, 2008 11:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Vote for Hunter.

Near MLB ready 2 or 3 at 14? Gotta go Hunter here.

"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler

by sprite on Jul 19, 2008 11:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wilmer's my boy

But I have to go with Hunter, what with Font’s troubles getting on the field this year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739

by BudLight on Jul 19, 2008 11:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Go dutch

I’ll treat you to a waffle at Newberg night

by FirebatM3 on Jul 20, 2008 12:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they don't exactly

sell wooden shoes at Newberg Night

by FirebatM3 on Jul 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There is...

One other “Treat” that Holland is known for selling….

by YourNameHere on Jul 20, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

went with font

"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08

.501 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 20, 2008 12:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I’m kind of stumped too. I really love high upside and ceiling, and from that standpoint Wilmer Font fits that bill the best of the remaining guys here… but I don’t think I can vote for Font just yet, simply because he hasn’t pitched this year and he’s still super-raw. Don’t get me wrong though, I still seriously heart anyone the same age as me who can throw 99 MPH.

I’d think I’ll put Derek Holland ahead of Font, not because I’m sold on all the hype yet, but because he’s been the one actually pitching and putting up numbers this year. I also considered Tommy Hunter, but I think I’ll vote for him next time (if he doesn’t win this poll, that is).

A Lonestar in California

Classic iorange555: "lmao too bad i watched [the all-star game] at a friends house ;[ much funer on here"

by lonestarJon on Jul 20, 2008 4:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Holland or Bust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA

by mchang4 on Jul 19, 2008 11:59 PM CDT   0 recs

went with hunter

but holland in his first BAK start, is still pitching and his line is

8 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 R, ZERO walks. i love the no walks

Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat

by nice hands on Jul 20, 2008 12:00 AM CDT   0 recs

you left out the 9 strikeouts

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 12:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup

holland should have won it last round, time to correct that oversight.

I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.

by rchawk12 on Jul 20, 2008 12:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Holland by the numbers

I really like Hunter and Font, but Holland has to be the vote here. Key numbers for the 21 yr old lefthander:
2.40 ERA in 93 innings at Clinton; 1.93 ERA in two starts at Bakersfield
8.7 K/9IP in Clinton; 9 K/9IP in Bakersfield
2.8 W/9IP in Clinton; 1.3 W/9IP in Bakersfield
1.13 WHIP at Clinton; 0.64 WHIP at Bakersfield
2 HR allowed in 107 innings

His 93-96 MPH fastball combined with a reportedly above average change-up and strikeout-inducing slider are the stuff of top-of-the rotation starters. IMHO, Holland has surpassed Beaven/Main/Kiker/NeRa/Hurley/Hunter/Harrison/Boscan and joined Feliz and Font as the most exciting pitching prospects in the Rangers system.

by spurdynasty on Jul 20, 2008 12:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

when do you all think we'll see hunter, if harrison sucks it up again?

Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat

by nice hands on Jul 20, 2008 12:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

McCarthy is next in line

IF there are no setbacks

by tyd3311 on Jul 20, 2008 1:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The timing of this poll...

I predict a blowout for Dutch.

(I voted for Dutch too).

by LiamP on Jul 20, 2008 12:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Hunter, too.

Young. Rocketed through the system. Pretty much does whatever he feels like doing on the hill.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 20, 2008 12:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Start tinkering with your top-30

When you’re happy with your finished list, I would be interested to know how you rank our boyz.

Rangers Farm Probables

by shroomer on Jul 20, 2008 3:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

id be pretty curious too

"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08

.501 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 20, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll play

I realize that I wasn’t asked for my prospect list, but I’ll post mine anyway just because I like the discussion that typically follows a Top30 list.
(1) Davis
(2) Feliz
(3) Smoak
(4) MaxRam
(5) Hurley
(6) Andrus
(7) Main
(8) Holland
(9) Kiker
(10) Beavan
(11) Teagarden
(12) Font
(13) Harrison
(14) Hunter
(15) Beltre
(16) NeRa
(17) M. Perez
(18) Boscan
(19) Borbon
(20) Madrigal
(21) Poveda
(22) Diamond
(23) Lemon
(24) Vallejo
(25) Mayberry
(26) K Gomez
(27) Moreland
(28) Ross
(29) Reed
(30) Osuna
Just off the list – Beau Jones, Gac, Weiland, Bleier, Laughter, Pina, B Harrison, C Pimental, T Murphy

Rising – Holland, Boscan, Perez, Moreland, Osuna, B. Jones
Falling – Mayberry, Poveda, Reed
Likely to have a meteoric rise in the next 12 months – Font, Beltre, Moreland, Ross, Perez

by spurdynasty on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not bad...

but Borbon and Beltre need to be higher.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 20, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who are the 6 or 7 guys...

...up there now that Holland and Hunter should be ahead of?

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you might have a case

for Borbon and Harrison (to me, at least) but that’s it. As much as I like Holland, and as much as I appreciate what Hunter has done this year, you just can’t rank them any higher right now.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 20, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think after the top 6...

...there are about 12 guys who you could rank anywhere from #7 to #18, and it would be defensible.

Personally, I think there is a pretty clear set of tiers—the top 3 (who should be Davis, Smoak, and Feliz, in some order), then the next three (Andrus, Hurley, Max), and then the rest of the top 20, who are, while not interchangeable, part of a big mass of prospects that can’t clearly be delineated like the first two sets of 3.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well said

And, furthermore, any of the guys in the third group would have to do a lot to break through into the next group.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 20, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's not entirely impossible

That’s pretty much what MaxRam did this season. Most of those guys just need to either meet expectations or surpass them next season to at least be in that 2nd tier of talent that Adam mentioned.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right

but that’s next year. I meant this year. Of course, if someone like Beltre or Holland really dominates for the next 6 weeks, like Max did this year, then you might have them bumping up there in the offseason.

Next year, assuming Davis, Max and Hurley all lose their prospect status by sticking in the majors, it will be more wide open with Feliz, Smoak and Andrus comfortable on top.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 20, 2008 2:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

I thought you were just talking about the near future, not necessarily the last month or so of the season. In that case, they’ll have to go on a Cruz/Davis like tear to be in that next level.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Jul 20, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

MaxRam did a lot.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yo, fans of The Greatest Slice of Greatness in TV Greatnessville:

Excellent article today in the Post on George Pelecanos, one of the key writers on The Wire, and noted DC crime novelist:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/07/17/DI2008071701733.html

I especially liked the semi-backstory behind Cutty and Carcheddi.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 7:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Neat

You ever read any of his shit?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2008 1:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

Drama City.

It’s really bad.

I read it because of being into The Wire.

You want good Wire-spinoff reading, try Richard Price.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 21, 2008 2:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Have you read Lush Life?

I was thinking of checking that out.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2008 3:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, but I am gonna give him a shot

Mainly cuz he’s in my backyard. Should be didactic, if nothing else.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2008 3:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Almost done with Season 4

Damn I love this show.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Holland ahead of

Harrison
Kiker
Beavan
M.Ramirez
Teagarden
Borbon

by Baider on Jul 21, 2008 1:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tough choice...

for me between Hunter and Dutch. When in doubt go with the lefty.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 20, 2008 12:29 AM CDT   0 recs

When in doubt

go with the 93 mph-95 mph fastball

by FirebatM3 on Jul 20, 2008 12:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

when is doubt

go with the power lefty

by tyd3311 on Jul 20, 2008 12:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unless...

the righty is just a few months older and is already two levels higher and throws 91-93.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 20, 2008 12:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep

Holland is good but Hunter is getting buried in this prospect this because he doesn’t wow anybody. He’s about to go from drafted to the majors in a year…...... I know he was supposed to move quickly but doing that in one year is very very hard to do.

"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler

by sprite on Jul 20, 2008 12:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes...

but I think Hunter could be a very valuable ML starter.

He may not have Feliz type stuff, but he could be up shortly and contribute a lot imo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 20, 2008 12:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My first thought

How much worse could he be than Millwood?

Millwood seems prone to the big 5th or 6th. Maybe Hunter is a steadier trickle of runs.

But would his ERA be so much worse than Milly’s?

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2008 1:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

at this rate

they may give up the same number of runs but Hunter will pitch another inning or two and at least not be a burden to the bullpen. It’s probably just as well he has to be near his innings pitched ceiling. They shouldn’t start his clock and have to add him to the 40 this much earlier for a lost season. At this rate though he may be the first guy called up next year if they don’t want to go the Mathis, Murry, Gabbard route.

by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 1:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree...

although I don’t think he should be in the rotaion ‘til next year.

He will probably do better than a 1.75 WHIP as well. It’s not like Millwood is setting the bar that high right now. I know many of us have gotten used to pitchers with ERA’s above 5 but a sub 5 ERA should not be too much to ask for should it?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 20, 2008 1:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll go with the german

Don’t count him out just because he’s buried by Ramon. He can still hit

by bushe on Jul 20, 2008 12:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Random Question..

What’s the derivation of the “C-Wun” nickname for Beavan?

by Topgun22 on Jul 20, 2008 12:59 AM CDT   0 recs

captain wonderful

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 1:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For starters...

(1) I don’t think he’s the captain of anything.
(2) He’s not that wonderful.
(3) This means his original nickname was dumb.
(4) And that makes the nickname for the nickname stupid.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 21, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, that's kind of the point

We’re making fun of his cockiness.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 21, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fantastic...

... but both “C-Wun” and “C1” are cryptic, and each swings and misses at “the point” you described above.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 21, 2008 9:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't care for nicknames

at all, myself. You will rarely see me use one for any player. I even type out Saltalamacchia. But I will rarely spend time getting riled up over one.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 21, 2008 9:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not riled up at all.

I just think it’s a stupid nickname.

Someone asked, “why?” I explained myself. You appeared to be attempting to counter my explanation. I responded with further explanation.

Then you told me you don’t get riled up. I’m not sure why.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 21, 2008 9:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you now...

getting riled up about not being riled up. =P

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 21, 2008 9:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pardon

Actually, I didn’t tell you to do or not do anything, just commented. But, pardon, I wasn’t trying to rile you or criticize your criticism.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 21, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

it was a take on his apparently very high opinion of himself when he got drafted. A “joke” of sorts.

But it’s nice to see you don’t have a sense of humor.

So you’ve got that going for you.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2008 11:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The humor is accepted.

I fully recognize it. It’s still a stupid nickname.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 1:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also...

That twice today you’ve taken comments that have nothing to do with you and turned them into an attack on someone else. The first being your liberal use of “dickhead” in the #15 prospect thread.

Keep in mind, if things are said in jest, they don’t always carry across from your screen to someone else’s. Inflammatory language is a good way to derail your own thread.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 1:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Relax

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 22, 2008 1:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm perfectly well relaxed.

You’re the one taking things to a personal level.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 1:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Am I?

You’re the one who keeps chiming in to tell me I’m taking things on a personal level when really I’m not.

So I repeat:

RELAX.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 22, 2008 2:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you or did you not....

attack my sense of humor?

Again, I’m very, very relaxed. Your odd emphasis on the word “relax” has me thinking maybe you really aren’t as relaxed as you tell us you are.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hunter & Martin Perez should be next

Perez for similar reasons as Holland….. don’t pass him over because he’s “unproven”..... Holland was getting crushed until he dominated tonight in Bake… Martin is legit…

by Baider on Jul 20, 2008 1:01 AM CDT   0 recs