LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #14
by thedirkatron on Jul 19, 2008 11:49 PM CDT
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PrintAfter 191 votes, Julio Borbon has won the right to be called the LSB Community #13 prospect!
The list so far:
1. 1b, Chris Davis
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. RHP, Eric Hurley
4. SS, Elvis Andrus
5. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
6. 1b, Justin Smoak
7. RHP, Michael Main
8. RHP, Blake "C-Wun" Beavan
9. C, Taylor Teagarden
10. LHP Kasey Kiker
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. LHP, Matt Harrison
13. OF, Julio Borbon
Time to move on to the next vote.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who are currently in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect right now, so he goes on the list. It's that simple.
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3rd straight vote for Dutch from me
and he is making his case tonight
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
how is feliz behind davis?
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
Because while Feliz may be Walter Johnson
Davis is Babe Ruth.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
ya 8 hr in your first 18 games is pretty hard to beat
was it just me or when davis hit that homer today was the ball still traveling up
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
edit: i mean when he hit that homer and the ball hit the blue thing was the ball still traveling up
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
This is really, really tough
I’ve been voting for Borbon the last several polls and I have no idea who to vote for now. I could see a case for any number of guys here. Font, NeRa, Hunter, Ross, Dutch, Perez, Lil’ Lemon, Vallejo, JMJ or even Thomas Diamond.
I’ll probably go with Font just cause his Tremendous Upside Potential is off the freaking charts. But it’s tough to vote for someone who may or may not die of arm relayed AIDS before he ever pitches in a full season league. I’ll have to mull this one over.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Vote for Hunter.
Near MLB ready 2 or 3 at 14? Gotta go Hunter here.
"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler
Wilmer's my boy
But I have to go with Hunter, what with Font’s troubles getting on the field this year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
There is...
One other “Treat” that Holland is known for selling….
by YourNameHere on Jul 20, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
went with font
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
Yeah
I’m kind of stumped too. I really love high upside and ceiling, and from that standpoint Wilmer Font fits that bill the best of the remaining guys here… but I don’t think I can vote for Font just yet, simply because he hasn’t pitched this year and he’s still super-raw. Don’t get me wrong though, I still seriously heart anyone the same age as me who can throw 99 MPH.
I’d think I’ll put Derek Holland ahead of Font, not because I’m sold on all the hype yet, but because he’s been the one actually pitching and putting up numbers this year. I also considered Tommy Hunter, but I think I’ll vote for him next time (if he doesn’t win this poll, that is).
Classic iorange555: "lmao too bad i watched [the all-star game] at a friends house ;[ much funer on here"
went with hunter
but holland in his first BAK start, is still pitching and his line is
8 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 R, ZERO walks. i love the no walks
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
you left out the 9 strikeouts
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Yup
holland should have won it last round, time to correct that oversight.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
Holland by the numbers
I really like Hunter and Font, but Holland has to be the vote here. Key numbers for the 21 yr old lefthander:
2.40 ERA in 93 innings at Clinton; 1.93 ERA in two starts at Bakersfield
8.7 K/9IP in Clinton; 9 K/9IP in Bakersfield
2.8 W/9IP in Clinton; 1.3 W/9IP in Bakersfield
1.13 WHIP at Clinton; 0.64 WHIP at Bakersfield
2 HR allowed in 107 innings
His 93-96 MPH fastball combined with a reportedly above average change-up and strikeout-inducing slider are the stuff of top-of-the rotation starters. IMHO, Holland has surpassed Beaven/Main/Kiker/NeRa/Hurley/Hunter/Harrison/Boscan and joined Feliz and Font as the most exciting pitching prospects in the Rangers system.
by spurdynasty on Jul 20, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
when do you all think we'll see hunter, if harrison sucks it up again?
Kinsler is the best player on the rangers(done), BENOIT SUCKS(done), bring up Harrison(done),new: Put Nippert in rotation, Mendoza to the pen, get Feliz to AAA by the end of the year, trade cat
The timing of this poll...
I predict a blowout for Dutch.
(I voted for Dutch too).
Holland should be ahead of 6 or 7 guys already on the list.
by Baider on Jul 20, 2008 12:25 AM CDT reply actions
Hunter, too.
Young. Rocketed through the system. Pretty much does whatever he feels like doing on the hill.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 20, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Start tinkering with your top-30
When you’re happy with your finished list, I would be interested to know how you rank our boyz.
agreed
id be pretty curious too
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
I'll play
I realize that I wasn’t asked for my prospect list, but I’ll post mine anyway just because I like the discussion that typically follows a Top30 list.
(1) Davis
(2) Feliz
(3) Smoak
(4) MaxRam
(5) Hurley
(6) Andrus
(7) Main
(8) Holland
(9) Kiker
(10) Beavan
(11) Teagarden
(12) Font
(13) Harrison
(14) Hunter
(15) Beltre
(16) NeRa
(17) M. Perez
(18) Boscan
(19) Borbon
(20) Madrigal
(21) Poveda
(22) Diamond
(23) Lemon
(24) Vallejo
(25) Mayberry
(26) K Gomez
(27) Moreland
(28) Ross
(29) Reed
(30) Osuna
Just off the list – Beau Jones, Gac, Weiland, Bleier, Laughter, Pina, B Harrison, C Pimental, T Murphy
Rising – Holland, Boscan, Perez, Moreland, Osuna, B. Jones
Falling – Mayberry, Poveda, Reed
Likely to have a meteoric rise in the next 12 months – Font, Beltre, Moreland, Ross, Perez
Not bad...
but Borbon and Beltre need to be higher.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Who are the 6 or 7 guys...
...up there now that Holland and Hunter should be ahead of?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you might have a case
for Borbon and Harrison (to me, at least) but that’s it. As much as I like Holland, and as much as I appreciate what Hunter has done this year, you just can’t rank them any higher right now.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I think after the top 6...
...there are about 12 guys who you could rank anywhere from #7 to #18, and it would be defensible.
Personally, I think there is a pretty clear set of tiers—the top 3 (who should be Davis, Smoak, and Feliz, in some order), then the next three (Andrus, Hurley, Max), and then the rest of the top 20, who are, while not interchangeable, part of a big mass of prospects that can’t clearly be delineated like the first two sets of 3.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said
And, furthermore, any of the guys in the third group would have to do a lot to break through into the next group.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
that's not entirely impossible
That’s pretty much what MaxRam did this season. Most of those guys just need to either meet expectations or surpass them next season to at least be in that 2nd tier of talent that Adam mentioned.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Right
but that’s next year. I meant this year. Of course, if someone like Beltre or Holland really dominates for the next 6 weeks, like Max did this year, then you might have them bumping up there in the offseason.
Next year, assuming Davis, Max and Hurley all lose their prospect status by sticking in the majors, it will be more wide open with Feliz, Smoak and Andrus comfortable on top.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
yeah
I thought you were just talking about the near future, not necessarily the last month or so of the season. In that case, they’ll have to go on a Cruz/Davis like tear to be in that next level.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Exactly
MaxRam did a lot.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yo, fans of The Greatest Slice of Greatness in TV Greatnessville:
Excellent article today in the Post on George Pelecanos, one of the key writers on The Wire, and noted DC crime novelist:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/07/17/DI2008071701733.html
I especially liked the semi-backstory behind Cutty and Carcheddi.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Neat
You ever read any of his shit?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2008 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Drama City.
It’s really bad.
I read it because of being into The Wire.
You want good Wire-spinoff reading, try Richard Price.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 21, 2008 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you read Lush Life?
I was thinking of checking that out.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but I am gonna give him a shot
Mainly cuz he’s in my backyard. Should be didactic, if nothing else.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Almost done with Season 4
Damn I love this show.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
Holland ahead of
Harrison
Kiker
Beavan
M.Ramirez
Teagarden
Borbon
by Baider on Jul 21, 2008 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Tough choice...
for me between Hunter and Dutch. When in doubt go with the lefty.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Unless...
the righty is just a few months older and is already two levels higher and throws 91-93.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 20, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Holland is good but Hunter is getting buried in this prospect this because he doesn’t wow anybody. He’s about to go from drafted to the majors in a year…...... I know he was supposed to move quickly but doing that in one year is very very hard to do.
"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler
Yes...
but I think Hunter could be a very valuable ML starter.
He may not have Feliz type stuff, but he could be up shortly and contribute a lot imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
My first thought
How much worse could he be than Millwood?
Millwood seems prone to the big 5th or 6th. Maybe Hunter is a steadier trickle of runs.
But would his ERA be so much worse than Milly’s?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2008 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
at this rate
they may give up the same number of runs but Hunter will pitch another inning or two and at least not be a burden to the bullpen. It’s probably just as well he has to be near his innings pitched ceiling. They shouldn’t start his clock and have to add him to the 40 this much earlier for a lost season. At this rate though he may be the first guy called up next year if they don’t want to go the Mathis, Murry, Gabbard route.
I agree...
although I don’t think he should be in the rotaion ‘til next year.
He will probably do better than a 1.75 WHIP as well. It’s not like Millwood is setting the bar that high right now. I know many of us have gotten used to pitchers with ERA’s above 5 but a sub 5 ERA should not be too much to ask for should it?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
captain wonderful
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
For starters...
(1) I don’t think he’s the captain of anything.
(2) He’s not that wonderful.
(3) This means his original nickname was dumb.
(4) And that makes the nickname for the nickname stupid.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 21, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that's kind of the point
We’re making fun of his cockiness.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Fantastic...
... but both “C-Wun” and “C1” are cryptic, and each swings and misses at “the point” you described above.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 21, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care for nicknames
at all, myself. You will rarely see me use one for any player. I even type out Saltalamacchia. But I will rarely spend time getting riled up over one.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I'm not riled up at all.
I just think it’s a stupid nickname.
Someone asked, “why?” I explained myself. You appeared to be attempting to counter my explanation. I responded with further explanation.
Then you told me you don’t get riled up. I’m not sure why.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 21, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you now...
getting riled up about not being riled up. =P
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Well
it was a take on his apparently very high opinion of himself when he got drafted. A “joke” of sorts.
But it’s nice to see you don’t have a sense of humor.
So you’ve got that going for you.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The humor is accepted.
I fully recognize it. It’s still a stupid nickname.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Also...
That twice today you’ve taken comments that have nothing to do with you and turned them into an attack on someone else. The first being your liberal use of “dickhead” in the #15 prospect thread.
Keep in mind, if things are said in jest, they don’t always carry across from your screen to someone else’s. Inflammatory language is a good way to derail your own thread.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm perfectly well relaxed.
You’re the one taking things to a personal level.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Am I?
You’re the one who keeps chiming in to tell me I’m taking things on a personal level when really I’m not.
So I repeat:
RELAX.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 22, 2008 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you or did you not....
attack my sense of humor?
Again, I’m very, very relaxed. Your odd emphasis on the word “relax” has me thinking maybe you really aren’t as relaxed as you tell us you are.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 22, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Hunter & Martin Perez should be next
Perez for similar reasons as Holland….. don’t pass him over because he’s “unproven”..... Holland was getting crushed until he dominated tonight in Bake… Martin is legit…
by Baider on Jul 20, 2008 1:01 AM CDT reply actions
close, but I loved Perez when I saw him this spring
Really jumps out when you see him. Small stature but FB/CB/CH combo were unreal for anyone, not just his age. Just had that look/feel to him, like’s he’s going to be special.
I like Main too, it’s close – would take Perez though if I have to choose.
by Baider on Jul 20, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
How do you mention Perez and snub Font?
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Personal opinion
Like them both a lot, but like Perez more.
by Baider on Jul 21, 2008 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
wait..
when did holland get crushed?
Perez sample is so small.
wilfredo boscan has been the most impressive of spokane pitchers, imo.
I think he meant in the voting he was getting crushed
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
Not crushed as in "dislike", crushed as in "passed over"
If he hadn’t dominated in Bake last night and been written up by Newberg & MJH, he wouldn’t have won this vote.
by Baider on Jul 21, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The facist oppression of Dutch ends now.
Free Holland. Then buy what the Hunter is selling or go home.
Is Derek Holland the pitching equivalent of Chris Davis?
Is Spike Lundberg the pitching equivalent of Crash Davis?
Go Rangers!
Note from Lucas' 7/20 farm report
Since Clinton’s mid-June All-Star break, Holland has pitched 40.2 innings, allowed 24 hits, walked four, and struck out 47.
Dude has figured out something.
Go Rangers!
Another thing about Dutch that catches my eye
He gave up 7 homers in 67 innings last year in Spokane. This year? 2 homers in 93 innings.
I remember last year he was still developing a changeup to go along with his fastball/slider – based on how he’s taken off of late, one would guess he’s gotten the change figured out now.
Classic iorange555: "lmao too bad i watched [the all-star game] at a friends house ;[ much funer on here"
Holland’s 4th BAK start should be against Visalia AGAIN for the third time in four Cal League starts. And his 5th BAK start should be AT Lancaster – where ERA’s go to die. Gulp. Sink or swim, Dutch.
Visalia
You mention them because they’re good offensively? Discount the results because Holland’s familiar with them? Accentuate because they’re familiar with him?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Vaisala has the worst offense in the Cal league.
But, usually it becomes harder to get hitters out as they see a pitcher more often and gain familiarity with his tendencies and repertoire.
Go Rangers!
Right - the familiarity factor
BTW, Holland’s next start comes against San Jose – a team that has pounded the crap outta BAK all season long.
Even if he gets crap pounded out of him
I’ll still think he might be ranked too low here.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
This is getting crazy
Those voting for Holland now better be voting for Hunter at number 15
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
dirk
doesnt have to be next cause he wont be getting votes for a bit, but sometime soon could you put on glenn swanson, he should be in the mid to lower 20s probably and we need people to start thinking about him.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
vallejo
i actually voted for him the last round, but im now thinking holland and hunter need to make it first, then him and font
the problem is the rangers just have too many good prospects this season, last year we were into iffier players by this time
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
holland
i’m giving into the hype and hopping on the holland train
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
this guy is pretty high on justin smoak
Do me a favor… PICK UP SMOAK RIGHT NOW!!!
A 6’4 switch hitting first baseman stud! They are comparing this guy to Chipper and Tex. And with the amount of talent the Rangers have (Michael young, milton bradley, josh hamilton, ian kinsler,etc), it is not like this guy won’t have rbi opportunities.
Smoak will sign. Trust me. This is money in the bank.
I think I speak for the board when I say we can all breathe easy now after your iron-clad guarantee
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh.
Well.
That changes everything.
My apologies. Carry on, Mayor, carry on.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
How are we supposed to know that?
There was no link or mention of where it came from.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Quandaryville:
Which is worse?
Saying something stupidly super obvious?
Or quoting/repeating something stupidly super obvious that some other dolt said?
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2008 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions
its a little too early..
to start talking about the rbi opportunities he’s gonna have before he has played one game of pro ball.
No.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
im sure his parents think he is
though in all fairness i think all he needs to do is get into a higher lever like aa and produce and he will get on some peoples radars
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
the fedex guy is a drug dealer and he doesn't even know it
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
If you are flammable, and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
FYI
Mad Men is running the entire season 1 next Sunday (on AMC) starting at 11 your time.
Season 2 premeires at 10 EST that same night.
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 20, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
cool
i’ll have to see if i’ve got enough room on my tivo
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Make room
Broseph.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
doesnt seem to matter now, the marathon was today ….. damnit!
if the dvd set was a little cheaper i’d just buy it
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Blockbuster
is delivering season 1 to me just b/c dirkatron pimped it so much.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
ha ha ha
It’s pretty darn good.
The guy who did it was one of the key writer/producers of the Sopranos, so he’s pretty legit. I really enjoyed the first season when I netflicked it.
But if it sucks blame that Brian Thomas fellow.
He’s the one who turned me on to it, so, like most bad things that happen on this board, this Mad Men thing is really all BT’s fault.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there's anyone in the poll...
...that I’d put below Gac.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Diamond
for the second time. Probably way off base, but I just think that once he gets healthy, he’ll have the best chance to be a solid contributer. I think he is getting way overlooked because of his injury.
"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08
11 Votes for Mayberry!?!?
Can we make a rule that family members are not allowed to vote in the poll?
That came from
the UK poster who has the inside dope on Ross being switched to the OF.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 21, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
and so did robbie ross...
ugh. I knew i would do that eventually
by Kevin McBrayer on Jul 21, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
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