Wednesday a.m. things

Kinsler

real nice 9th inning, that was exciting. Good comeback by Wilson, too, after the walk.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 2, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wilson

6 consecutive pitches in the zone after the walk.

A Lonestar in California

"My keyboard is a Yankees fan" - Whipsmart

by lonestarJon on Jul 2, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lewin

Good to see him have a more reasonable call to end last nights game. Monday’s “GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT!” was a little over the top…

Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."

by TheBZA on Jul 2, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Color me just a tad

skeptical when it comes to seeing anything out of Brandon McCarthy in 2008.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I’m just SHOCKED

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is completely applicable to the post before it

by LiamP on Jul 2, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno

by hinduplaya on Jul 2, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Millwood

Rangers need to deal thsi poser at the trade deadline….. Along with Guardado, and maybe Salty as a throw in on some kind of deal.

Lbrooks

by LBrooks on Jul 2, 2008 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs

He's back!

+Rec!

Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."

by TheBZA on Jul 2, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants

by Chase Irwin on Jul 2, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats brilliant.

by tyd3311 on Jul 2, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I don’t know what is worse..posts by Josey and Seven/newbie/LBrooks in quick succession or me somewhat in agreeance to both (although Salty definitely ain’t a throw-in at this point)

Here are just a few of the key ingredients: dynamite, pole vaulting, laughing gas, choppers - can you see how incredible this is going to be? - hang gliding, come on! -- Dignan

by Hypo-Luxa on Jul 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Question...

Are you James L Brooks who produces The Simpsons?

A Lonestar in California

"My keyboard is a Yankees fan" - Whipsmart

by lonestarJon on Jul 2, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Morgan

also thinks Millwood needs to be more consistent.

"Everybody wants the most they can possibly get for the least they can possibly do." - Todd Snider

by henryfinkel on Jul 2, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Heh

or at least to concetrate (sic) more…

by cjcheng on Jul 2, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I figured out his problem

He just needs a refill on his Consistenyl™.

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

mccarthy

anyone have any comparison cases for mccarthys injury?

im half expecting him to come back throwing even slower than he did and eventually have surgery anyway.

is there a track record for people missing this kind of time for elbow inflammation or whatever and just coming back healthy and good to go without lingering issues?

2 games over 500 please.

by DSheppard on Jul 2, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I have no idea

or baseline for pitchers with his injury history.

I think he’s either the poster child for a pitcher who needs Tommy John surgery asap or his body is simply rejecting the notion that he can take the ball every 5th day.

McCarthy was an acceptable pitcher in 2006 when used in long relief and if he’s healthy (yeah, right) by August 1, I’d use him in that role.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know...

Until he came to Texas, he never had any injury problems. He didn’t seem to have any problems starting in the minors through 2005.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes,

but when he tried to take the ball every 5th day in The Show, his body started breaking down and rejecting the notion that he can do it.

What do you think about returning him to the role he had with the WSox in 2006?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So starting on a MLB mound

has more of an effect on his arm than starting on a AAA mound?

That makes no sense.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who knows?

But that is what appears to have happened to McCarthy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

His forearm inflammation this spring was the result of not being able to handle the effect of being a major league starting pitcher?

I don’t follow.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Blisters, hairline fracture

(or was it a stress fracture?) of his shoulder blade, general ineffectiveness followed by elbow inflammation three weeks after reporting to Surprise this spring.

His body seems to be rejecting the notion that he can take the ball every fifth day (if at all) and stay healthy in The Show.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But are you arguing that

he’s hurt BECAUSE he’s in “The Show” or he’s hurt AND he’s in the “The Show.”

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

From what I have seen

thus far from McCarthy, his body is rejecting the notion that he take the ball every 5th day in The Show.

The evidence that we have seen thus far is that McCarthy’s body will let him pitch long relief in The Show.

What I would do is pitch him in long relief the rest of this year and then see about making him a starter next year.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is crazy logic

The man is hurt now after starting. The man wasn’t hurt after being a long reliever. Therefore starting = hurt.

Let’s just put him in long relief, and he’ll magically stay healthy. There are zero other factors to consider.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Diggler,

There’s no magic to it…I think McCarthy is an obvious candidate for Tommy John surgery and I will be shocked if he makes any (long relief or starter) meaningful contributions to the Rangers this year.

IF he’s healthy enough to pitch, I’d spoonfeed him innings the rest of this year and then we’ll see about 2009.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't disagree with spoonfeeding him innings

I just can’t follow the logic that he can’t possibly be healthy enough to be a starter. People come back from injuries ya know.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not McCarthy

Because starting in the Show is different than starting in the minors. You know, you have to pitch on lower mounds with jagged rocks in them, deal with 110 degree weather instead of a cool 70, and of course dealing with monkey that kicks you in the chin after every pitch.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jul 2, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Funny bit

I hope this is a bit

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 2, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not

too bad though

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is hilarious.

Being a starting pitcher in major league baseball is akin to being an organ donor recipient.

You are hilarious, Josey. I hope you take over Joe Morgan’s weekly ESPN chats.

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not really

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bulked up too much

over the offseason.

by SteveP on Jul 2, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

getting back to plausible explanations

I really think bad mechanics screwed him up. I’m not sure our guys are the best at getting the most out of tall pitchers – which doesn’t bode well for the future of our pitching prospects.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sadly

you may be right. the Hurlehey boy looks pretty solid though.

by SteveP on Jul 2, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This pretty much sums it up

when it comes to the brittle injury prone flop Brandon McCarthy who is liable to fracture and fall apart when subjected to the stress of pitching.

I saved and old quote he said from last year on May 26, 2007. Yes, I save everything Rangers related.

“I struggled a little bit with control before but I’m not that bad, I know that. It’s really frustrating me because I felt really good everywhere else. Everything was great until I took the ball.“

Yep… everything is going pretty good until you get your stinking hands on the ball. And a lot of things would be better for this rotation had JD not traded away John Danks for your sorry ass.

and the linkI saved from last year. I think it’s time for me to finally clean up my bookmarks.

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Jul 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think...

...you leave him as a starter. He didn’t have a problem starting in the minors, and he didn’t have a problem starting in the minors and majors in 2005.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd roll with him

as a long reliever, see if he stays healthy and then think about him in next year’s rotation.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a waste

See what he does as a starter this year. If he fails, consider the move to the bullpen for next season.

Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."

by TheBZA on Jul 2, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

unless

Padilla, Millwood, Hurley, Feldman keep doing their thing and we don’t trade any, and Mendoza magically comes in and pitches well. then you don’t have a reason to bring B-Mac in as a starter, because we’d probably still be somewhat in the race. I’d pitch McCarthy out of the pen in that situation, instead of starting him in AAA

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Realistically

I expect one of the following to be traded, injured or struggling. That would open a spot for BMac

Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."

by TheBZA on Jul 2, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true, we've grown to expect that.

But injuries aside, we SHOULD expect Millwood and Padilla to compete at a high level. We have been completely surprised by Feldman as a starter. Hurley’s getting better with each start, and while I expect some growing pains, it’s easy to imagine him finishing as a sub 5.00 ERA pitcher, which should get him 8 wins by year end with this offense. So Mendoza’s the only obvious question mark, which is a big one I admit. But another question I have – if McCarthy’s ready in a month, and one of our guys goes down between now and then, does Harrison get a shot? Who other than Mathis and Gabbard is in line, Tommy Hunter???

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

Hes been a starter all but one year of his professional career. How is it now all of a sudden his body is rejecting taking the ball every 5 days? You seem to forget his role with the WSox in 2005 as they were on their way to a WS title he was a 21 year old who got 10 starts and posted a nice 4 ERA. 10 starts is basically a third of a season.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 2, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

10 starts

is less than 30% (34 starts) of the starts that a good starting pitcher who stays healthy will take during the year.

For whatever reason, McCarthy’s body rejected him (injuries all over the place) taking the ball every 5th day last year and the team paid for it this year.

Is it a waste to make him a long reliever? I don’t think so. I love what Rupe has been able to do in the last couple of months.

The fact that JD got killed in this trade should not matter. Trying to make McCarthy a starter to justify the trade when McCarthy’s arm can’t take it would be a waste.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

This is about the 6th time in this thread you’ve said “his body is rejecting taking the ball every 5th day.”

That’s just weird.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you disagree

with that notion? It hasn’t been just one injury with McCarthy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So tell me this then doc

Why did his body not reject taking the ball every 5th day while he was in the minors or in 2005 when he was starting in “The Show”?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 2, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dunno

Grande Esteban but it just happened.

Perhaps it was his awkward throwing motion that took it’s toll or perhaps it’s his Ichabod Crane body.

Either way, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy since JD traded for him.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

last sentence

correct.

everything you’ve said other than that is unfounded and illogical.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, everybody disagrees

because it makes no sense. he was starting every 5th day forever, even with the White Sox. he only got injured while playing with the rangers.

if anything, maybe his crappy mechanics that were tweaked ad nauseum when he came here caused the injury. at least that’s more plausible than “body rejecting being a starter.”

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

abo3

I know nothing about what makes a pitcher’s body breakdown like McCarthy but this was a healthy pitcher before he tried to take the ball every 5th day in The Show.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and it was healthy after

so, there goes that theory.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Excuse me?

McCarthy’s arm wasn’t right in March.

Hopefully I’m not breaking new ground here but sometimes if a pitcher has a physically taxing season in one season, it hurts him the next year.

Somebody translate the concept to Cahill.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so what about 2006?

He started in “The Show” for the WSox and wasn’t hurt the next year? Maybe long relief is what hurt him. Maybe it screwed up his body and when he went back to starting, which he had done his entire career until then, he got screwed up.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 2, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

in 2005

he pitched a combined 186 innings in the majors/AAA as a starter and was fine.

But you know what? 2007 was the first year he pitched as a starter…with blue shoes. We were overlooking the obvious the whole time! It’s gotta be the shoes!

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awsome

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 2, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

A complete misunderstanding of cause and effect.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 2, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no I'm just tired of reading it

so please, stop typing it.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

My brain rejects the notion that its worthwhile to read Josey’s mind numbing crap. Does that work the same way?

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 2, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Cahill,

Don’t worry, just about everything I write is waaaaaay over your head.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No,

everything you try to understand is way over your head.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 2, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its so nice to see this lovely condescension here too.

Its obvious, winning games when you score 3-5 runs is important (though how you accomplish that is not relevant), Game Scores or the only way to look at what a starter has done, and now, McCarthy’s body rejects the notion of him pitching every 5th day in the Majors as opposed to the minors/Majors.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jul 2, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never said how you accomplish winning

games where you score 3 to 5 runs is not relevant. You know I never said that and that I never would. No reason to lie, you little twit.

Who knows why McCarthy couldn’t take the ball every 5th day in The Show but if you believe he will last for 34 starts / 200IP’s in The Show, you’re fooling yourself.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's one of those situations...

where he’s really proud of a bit he came up with. So he’s got to repeat it multiple times so we can truly appreciate it.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 2, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kind of like

Miles being pissed at everyone and everything. Or the embedded pics that overwhelm the game threads.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 2, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

McCarthy and Fukimora

Where are these guys?

How come we don’t hear about them?

Lbrooks

by LBrooks on Jul 2, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't get what they're doing with Fukamori

Is he st il a reliever or are they making him a starter??

"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno

by hinduplaya on Jul 2, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think..

They are using him as they need him.

by tyd3311 on Jul 2, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OKC rotation

the rotation in OKC was decimated this weekend with 4 games in 2 days so I imagine thats why Fukimori got the start.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 2, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank Catalanotto and Max Ramirez will both play tonight,

I read that and thought CD was going to be sitting tonight with Cat at 1B. So who will be in the OF tonight?

Murphy, Hamilton, Bradley?
Murphy, Byrd, Hamilton?
Murphy, Byrd, Bradley?

Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Jul 2, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cat is DH'ing and Max at catcher...

by tyd3311 on Jul 2, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soo..

Bradley, Hamilton, and Murphy will probably be in the outfield and Davis at first.

by tyd3311 on Jul 2, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What is Danks ERA now?

Is Danks doing anything?

Lbrooks

by LBrooks on Jul 2, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Dude

You’re blowing your schtick. Slow down and spread it out. You’re going through all your material way too fast. We’re only halfway through the season!

Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."

by TheBZA on Jul 2, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brooks...

Danks ERA is 2.50 in 100 IP’s.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Danks is a completely different pitcher, and his development from last year to this

is largely attributable to Buerhle, who convinced Danks that he needed to add a cutter, and he probably is a great model for Danks on how and when to throw it. Kudos to Danks for finding a good model.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jul 2, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

would still like to have him

as annoying as Brooks’ rant is, DAMNIT it’s tough having Volquez and Danks dominating for my fantasy team, but not the Rangers…

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LBrooks

He’s clearly so frustrated by any success the Rangers are having that he has to spam the good vibes thread with the same old pessimism. Keep it up, this stuff NEVER gets old!

by jcir454 on Jul 2, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sharky used to do this

but sharky hasn’t paid attention to baseball in so long that he is no longer capable of making any relevant posts.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

success the Rangers are having???

WOW… we’re an impressively successful team. I’m so excited!

btw… LBrooks mentioned Danks. And that trade was not a brilliant and notable success.

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"He'll never be a good major league pitcher!"

by SteveP on Jul 2, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

so where is the setback that was reported with McCarthy?

Chris Davis is a beast.

by coolaid on Jul 2, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ask JFE

somebody hold her to something

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Regarding that

Something interesting in TR Sullivan’s notes notes:

Brandon McCarthy, on the disabled list because of a sore elbow, threw 45 pitches off the mound in Arizona but hasn’t thrown breaking balls yet.

Obviously that’s not a setback, but it does contradict Evan’s report that B-Max was throwing breaking balls..

A Lonestar in California

"My keyboard is a Yankees fan" - Whipsmart

by lonestarJon on Jul 2, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is odd.

"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants

by Chase Irwin on Jul 2, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reeves, the Ric Romero of DFW sports coverage

I’m waiting for his column about how the Rangers need to hit the ball to score runs and how they need wins to move up in the division.
The piece has some interesting anecdotes, but he’s not exactly being insightful with line like “They need him to stay healthy and they need him to produce quality starts.”

Really, Jimmy? You don’t say…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah. My first thought... Jim Reeves, Master of the Obvious.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jul 2, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+ 1 yep thanks JR for the hot news flash...

In other news.. watermelon is the new viagra

http://tinyurl.com/3j29xy

"I am right even when I'm wrong."

the unstoppable MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Jul 2, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

gotta love Aggies

sheep cloning, purple carrots and watermelon-viagra

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't peg you as the AGFAX type

by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 2, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol oh I'm not I heard it on tv so I had to look it up..

...personally I prefer the herbal viagra it works better than the regular…you can buy it on Ebay for 3 bucks a hit and there are no side effects.

"I am right even when I'm wrong."

the unstoppable MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Jul 2, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you should write him an email

what you get back will be gold. make sure you preempt what he says thought by saying you’ve been covering the rangers since 1980.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reeves and I have been through this before

Especially with his “Buck needs to go but needs to stay” crap from a few years ago. He talks to the players and gets these neat stories and he thinks that makes him a journalist, but he is mistaken. If he writes anything with any analysis, (a stretch, I know) he might piss off the wrong person and then he may actually have to work to get his information instead of having it handed to him like a good little boy. So he writes fluff pieces. And he hates getting called on it.

Sheesh, don’t get me started…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could you share with us

Some of his replies.

by SanDiegoKev on Jul 2, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i really wish i could

but i think i used a work email where i no longer have a job. but I sent two over a period of years and got identical responses, basically with reeves saying I was wrong to question his stance on trades since he remembers deals made in 1982.

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Someone tell JFE that McCarthy is back on the mound.

She’ll probably hate to hear that.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jul 2, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Somebody also

needs to let our Einstein of a manager know as well.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems unnecessary

RHP Brandon McCarthy took another small step in his recovery from forearm inflammation by throwing a 45-pitch bullpen session in Arizona on Tuesday. Washington said the next step for McCarthy is to face hitters.

From that statement, it sounds like he’s quite aware of it already.

by mgb5 on Jul 2, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I loves me some Ian Kinsler, too.

Last night was just absolutely awesome. Dude’s becoming my hero.

Also last night, he moved in to first in the AL in value over replacement, with a 3.6 run lead over Bradley. That’s good for fifth in baseball, but almost ten runs behind Chipper Jones (second) and more than 20 runs behind Lance Berkman.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kinsler

I posted this in another fanpost about the SI rankings. Just right click on the image to better view it.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 2, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

amazing numbers,

how does he NOT have a .400 OBP???

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kinsler

I was sitting about 20 rows up from the on deck circle last night. The guy was all confidence when he was at bat. He is in some insane kind of zone right now.

Last night was a great night to be a Rangers fan in Yankee stadium.

by chief of the fuzzers on Jul 2, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You wouldn't happen to be wearing a Nolan Ryan throwback t-shirt?

Because they showed that guy a few times, and I think that’s kinda where he was sitting.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah, wasn't me.

I came from work so I didn’t have any gear on.

by chief of the fuzzers on Jul 2, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

kinsler

for mvp. 13 HR 50 RBI 23 SB. hes batting like .400 with people in scoring position. but most importanty when he is up to lead off an inning and the rangers really need a run, then its almost automatic now that he gets on

Kinsler is the best player on the rangers, BENOIT SUCKS, bring up Harrison

by nice hands on Jul 2, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OT

So apparently it was reported on the Max Kellerman show (inb4considertehsource) that Barry Bonds is going to make a public offer to every MLB team to play for league minimum.

I’ll laugh hard if baseball ends up getting raked over the coals for colusion.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hope he signs with the Devil Rays...

and they end up 10 games out of the playoffs at the end of the year. no wait…the Angels. or the A’s.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He may find a taker

but I bet most teams won’t even think about it and it won’t have anything to do with collusion. Teams just don’t want the distraction and baggage. You could tell me that you went to the future and Bonds was going to hit 30 HRs after the ASB, and I still wouldn’t want the guy around.

That’s not collusion, it’s just not wanting to deal with all the crap he brings now.

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If not a single team goes after him for league minimum. . .

. . . I’m going to assume it’s collusion. 200,000 dollars isn’t much to risk for a 1,000 OPS. If the dude actually becomes such a problem that the offense isn’t worth it, you cut him.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well most companies/employers

would have a hard time hiring someone with the kind of legal trouble he has. That’s what background checks are for. I don’t think it’s collusion, it’s due dilligence.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, but for league minimum - who cares?

if he gets into trouble, cut him loose. we basically did the same thing with ponson. bonds is much more of a guarantee to perform than ponson was.

now, you could argue that you don’t want to media circus or the bad attitude in the clubhouse (and some teams might not have a need for a DH – maybe us), but the legal troubles shouldn’t prevent teams from signing him.

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fire Joe Morgan did a great series on this.

The counter-argument is that if you’re a contending club in the AL, you probably don’t need a regressing 44-year-old DH. If you’re in the NL, you can’t afford to have such a defensive liability in the outfield. Conversely, if you aren’t a contending club, you don’t want to take plate appearances away from your younger players.

I can see that some teams might make exceptions for Barry Bonds, but that makes a lot of sense to me.

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

regressing 44 year old DH

I would take issue with just how bad you think he is. He was pretty monstrous last year and probably dwarfs the DH’s that most other AL teams have right now. i would be hesitant to classify him as a has been.

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not really arguing one way or the other.

Just noting comments elsewhere. Although I do think that it’s a pretty large risk, no matter how well he’s performed in recent memory.

The other issue they brought up with a league change is precisely that: Bonds has spent his entire career in the NL. How much would it affect him to learn (for all intents and purposes) an entirely new league of pitchers as well?

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would lump the media circus with the legal trouble.

I have a hard time believing it will actually outweigh his performance. And if it does, you’re paying him league minimum. Cut him.

Seems pretty low-risk.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That logic works

if it is Alex Sanchez that you are looking to sign. Not Barry Bonds. This guy could obviously help a team down the stretch.

These teams aren’t looking for someone to flip burgers. There’s no one walking the streets looking for a job that can do what Bonds can do.

Pro sports is littered with guys with questionable backgrounds getting job after job. Most of them don’t have near the pedigree that Bonds does.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 2, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the dude actually becomes such a problem that the offense isn’t worth it, you cut him.

Or you could just not sign him in the first place. They already know those problems aren’t worth it. Everybody not wanting his baggage, no matter the price, is not collusion.

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

170 OPS+

you sure the baggage isn’t worth it?

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you were interviewing prospective employees

and one told you he had a pending felony indictment…..you would still hire him because he has proved exceedingly well in a previous position?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Depends on my business.

If my business is putting together a winning baseball team, I can pay said employee the minimum, he was one of the best at his job the previous year, and I could sever my agreement with him at the slightest sign of it being a bad investment, yessir, I would.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well most large corporations

won’t touch employees with felonies or pending felony indictments. My former employer wouldn’t hire you if you had a freakin DUI on your record.

I don’t blame them at all for not wanting him on their teams.

Now, I get what you’re saying as far as a baseball team goes. But, if you compare it to the “real world” it doesn’t make alot of sense. I doubt Nolan Ryan would hire a sales guy that has IRS and felony issues.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but I don't compare baseball to the real world very often.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing

that your previous employer had a file full of applicants for that job with similar qualities and recommendations.

I’m sure that there are thousands of people in the metroplex that could do sales really well at the Ballpark.

There is only one guy with Bonds’ lineage walking the street looking for a job.

The “real world” doesn’t apply here.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 2, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well it does

if the employer doesn’t want the headache and potential legal risks of that perspective employee. Baseball team or not.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

there are no legal risks associated with bonds

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, probably not for the team

But, I don’t see why it’s hard to understand why a team wouldn’t want to bring him in. Especially a team with alot of young players like Texas. There are many reasons for a team to ignore him, and that doesn’t make it collusion.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And it doesn't make it not collusion.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

each team could have their own individual reasons. Collusion would require the owners to get together and agree not to sign him.

You really think that is happening?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe they could have their reasons.

I never said they couldn’t . I’m not ruling anything out.

If I had to guess, yes, I would say there is collusion. But I don’t know one way or the other, I’m open to lots of possibilities, and I’m happy about the Bonds camp (reportedly) doing something to force MLB’s hand in answering the question.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, OK to be fair

I also never said it COULDN’T be collusion. I just gave reasons why it’s likely not. So, I can agree to disagree.

FWIW, I like Bonds, and in general am a supporter of his. I just can understand why teams would shy away from signing him.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 2, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

for some teams

for all teams…

Any team looking at Milton Bradley should probably look at Bonds first. Which is not to say that Bradley is the same cancer as Bonds, just that they are both gimpy mashers. With Bonds, you have much more “intangible ” risks, but less financial commitment and no prospects to give up. You’re telling me that no team that wants Bradley would prefer Bonds?

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's the case for some

but I find it hard to believe after watching guys with poor pasts (Strawberry, LeFlore, Gooden, Howe, etc.) get second and third chances that all 30 teams would decline to take that risk.

Why would you trade half your farm for an impact bat when you can pick one up off the street for nothing. If the Rangers were in that position, I would be pissed if they didn’t capitalize on it.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 2, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The guys you mention

had all been through rehab or jail and were ‘starting anew’. They didn’t come with pending legal action or the disdain that many have for Bonds. Apples and oranges, really..

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

I don’t know where to research it, but I know there have been guys that have been signed with pending legal action. Guys who weren’t as good as Bonds.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 2, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a good point.

If I was 70% better at what I did than most people, and the hiring company wouldn’t face any legal repricussions by hiring me, I’ll bet getting a minimum wage job would be easier with an outstanding perjury charge.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

this analogy fails for precisely that reason – baseball is nothing like the real world. How many employers would hire an admitted crack addict? Wife beater? A person who physically assaults camera men? physically assaults other co-workers?

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

most employers wouldn't hire a pending felony indictment

because the investment wouldn’t be worth it. The investment is totally worth it here. paying less than 100K for a month’s worth of ridiculous production and then cutting the guy would be worth it

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, I am...

Who would he replace on this team? Who would he replace on most teams?

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank Catalanotto.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 2, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he'd replace freaking everybody on most teams

our situation is different in that we have a gimpy DH who is ripping the AL up, so we really don’t need a DH.

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I don't want Bonds.

Mostly because I don’t want Milt in the field, I think he’d be a waste as a platoon player, and if he got more playing time he’d take time away from young players. And I don’t think he’d make us that much better as a result.

I wouldn’t mind if the Rangers signed him at all, but I’m not going to clamor for it.

I would like to know they have explored the possibility, though, and have at least talked to Bonds and his people.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

honestly

we are the only team possibly in the league that can’t use Bonds

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I could understand this argument if it were the start of the season

but it isn’t. What can a non-contender do with Bonds now? Play him for a month or so before the trade deadline, and try to ship him to a contender for a high ceiling AA prospect?

Conversely, if you’re a contender, why go after Bonds if you believe him to be an injury risk (and honestly, any team should consider a 44-year-old not named Julio Franco to be an injury risk)? Why not trade for a guy on the market, and then pick up Bonds later in the year if the trade busts?

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you could wait, obviously

but why give up prospects when you can get bonds for free?

and i just meant that we really can’t use bonds because he takes playing time away from someone who might possibly match bonds production. no other team has that problem, though they might be better served going with someone younger and developing them

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because

of Bonds’ age and injury risk, as I said before.

I think this is all a valid argument if we’re at the beginning of the season, but to me a mid-season Bonds it just doesn’t make sense for an AL team (nevermind NL considerations for him as a positional player). As I’ve said before:

Old (even if he’s great) player.
Injury risk.
Has never played in the AL.

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OBP.

by tyd3311 on Jul 2, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How is this a counter-argument to anything I said?

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because his OBP was stellar last season.

If you’re paying league minimum for it, it outweighs that stuff. By a ton.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

*mid-season Bonds signing doesn't make sense...

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if those are the only concerns

the deal is done ysterday

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay then

Who does that deal and why? I’m seriously interested in your thoughts here.

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the why for all of them is because bonds rakes

Minnesota (replacing Kubel)
Detroit (Sheffield)
TB (Floyd/hinske)
Yankees (send down Gardner, let the rest sort itself out)
Baltimore (Huff/Millar)

The only young guy that is getting blocked is Gardner, and fuck brett gardner.

If LAA wasn’t in a financial quagmire, they would do that deal as well.

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay.

You really didn’t answer why. “Because Bonds rakes”? He hasn’t even had an at-bat this year. What leads you to think he isn’t an injury risk and that league switching won’t be a big deal?

I will give this much ground: If I’m a borderline contender, or hovering around .500 in a weak division, I would offer a minor league deal to him.

by jwiscarson on Jul 2, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

League minimum is not much to spend to find out if he can rake this year.

Even close to how well he raked last year.

Minor league deal? Seriously? It’s that much a risk to give him league minimum?

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It isn't the money

It’s the roster spot and playing time.

by jwiscarson on Jul 3, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How do they know they're not worth it?

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

has anyone signed him?

that should answer your question…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, that doesn't answer the question.

You’re assuming that’s the only reason they’re not signing him. I’m not.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And if that was the reason, it still wouldn't answer it.

You don’t know until you know until you try. No one’s tried, so no one knows.

And GMs aren’t so stupid that I’m the only one who realizes that, which leads me to think collusion is a serious possibility. I’m not naive and I also don’t let hating Bonds get in the way of common sense.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or maybe the GMs have already had people evaluate the situation

and possible ramifications and determined that it isn’t worth trying. Assuming collusion is a big stretch, especially in an organization as complex as MLB. They can’t even agree as to when to hold a committee on what the bats are made of…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe they have.

In which case, we should be able to find out soon. I would be very interested in that report.

Right now we’ve got nothing. Certainly doesn’t help me think the owners aren’t hiding something.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, there has been collusion in our life times.

There were claims of collusion about five years ago, even. Guilt was never admitted, but there was a buy out to shut up the claims.

Collusion is not above Selig or the MLB owners.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're going to have to back that up with references...

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you'd like, I could come back later or start a diary with them.

But I’m sure a Google search will serve you well. This was SportsCenter leading stuff, not tabloid rumors. Should be easy to find.

Especially the collusion in the late 80s. That was well publicized. I’m surprised you aren’t familiar with it. It screwed Paul Molitor over.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Different situations...

The owners were greedy. I don’t see how greed plays a part with Bonds. Surely he would sell tickets and bring in money, so that isn’t the reason he isn’t being signed. Follow the money. If the owners and GMs have decided he’s not worth the money he would bring in, then it comes down to the crap he brings in with him. And that’s his fault, not MLB’s…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Jul 2, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or, it might be MLBs.

None of us know for sure.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

here

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2652091

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_collusion

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What also makes me feel like it's collusion is the way things went down with the Rays and Cards.

LaRussa wanted him, team just said no and wouldn’t even let him look in to it. Same happened with Maddon and the Rays.

It’s not that they’re not just signing him, it’s that it strongly seems like there’s this hush-hush agreement to not even talk to the guy. Don’t even bother taking a low-risk chance.

It might not be collusion. To rule it out, though, is either naivity or letting a (justifiable) anti-Bonds bias get in the way. It’s a smart move to make this public and put the ball in MLB’s court to prove there isnt’ collusion.

by philkid3 on Jul 2, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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