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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3471169

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This is a terrible move, especially when Maggette could've been had for that... But I don't think the Mavs are that stupid, trade brewing, has to be...

Sources told ESPN.com that Diop, traded by the Mavericks to New Jersey in February as part of the Jason Kidd deal, will receive the Mavericks' full mid-level exception in a five-year deal starting at nearly $6 million.

 

 

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add diop, foster, green

to last year’s team.

we’d be lucky to be a 7th seed and last six games in the first round again.

by kumizi on Jul 2, 2008 3:49 PM CDT   0 recs

ehh

Green is still only 22 – he could be some sort of an impact at the 2 spot this year, if for no other reason, because he’s not named Eddie Jones and he’s not 43 years old like our other non-Jason Terry options

kid’s a freak athlete, and Foster’s a dead-eye shooter. I am happy to have Diop back, and if you have Josh Howard as the same Josh Howard he’s been his whole career, instead of the Josh Howard we saw for one month last year, we’re going to compete for the top 3

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maggette isnt coming here

supposedly his top three choices are,

1. team that offers the most money
2. spurs for the full midlevel
3. magic for the full midlevel

"Why do you need the stereo and the tv on?"
"Cause I like to pawrty."

by rchawk12 on Jul 2, 2008 3:52 PM CDT   0 recs

agreed

he’d rather be in Orlando or San Antonio from what I’ve read. As for this move, I don’t think Diop deserves the full MLE but I like him on our team.

by Agreen07 on Jul 2, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well

he’s the best C available and he’s still young. Unfortunately he’s not very good. maggette has been a pipedream of mine for years. Wish the Clips would have had the foreskin to trade him instead of letting him walk.

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by hubcityraider on Jul 2, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Blah

Here is an idea I threw out at Mavsmoneyball, S/T: Brand for Howard/Stack/Bass, don’t see the Clips doing that but….

Discuss.

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by sprite on Jul 2, 2008 3:53 PM CDT   0 recs

so they essentially swapped

Davis for Brand.

Interesting.

by clark on Jul 2, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Scratch that then,

didn’t see that. I don’t see Brand as a fit for GS at all.

"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler

by sprite on Jul 2, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yea

that link says nothing about him being close to signing with them. In fact it says that he almost signed with the clippers and that he only received an offer from the warriors.

"Why do you need the stereo and the tv on?"
"Cause I like to pawrty."

by rchawk12 on Jul 2, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

C'mon

He’s not going to sign with Golden State. He’s resigning with LA.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?

I read that brand is going to re-up with the clippers. Supposedly, and it was reported as kind of fishy, the two are friends and maybe even business partners in a production company (could be wrong on that one though) and brand is going to immediately resign in la, but by opting out they had money to sign davis without needing to do a sign and trade.

"Why do you need the stereo and the tv on?"
"Cause I like to pawrty."

by rchawk12 on Jul 2, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what I assumed

But there’s nothing fishy about it really.

It would make financial sense for hiim to go to GS, but man—what a crotch-kick for all involved.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

that’s like $4,575 per minute.

by Baseball Jesus on Jul 2, 2008 3:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Or

$36,585 per point…...$14,635 per rebound.

by Baseball Jesus on Jul 2, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too bad

they still don’t have the draft picks instead of Kidd, then they could deal Dirk and get on with full on rebuilding.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 2, 2008 3:56 PM CDT   0 recs

why deal Dirk?

I don’t get it…I can understand you want to be prepared for the future, but we’ll be prepared in another year or two with Deron Williams and LeBron joining free agency, and plenty of money freed up from Kidd, Bradley, Finley, Dampier, Stackhouse, etc. off the books…and then we’ll have more draft picks. Now I’m not saying we will land Deron or LeBron, but we certainly have a better shot than most other teams out there – we’ll have a former MVP who is at the tail end of the prime of his career but still very good and ready to let somebody else take the # 1 spot on the team in Dirk, an above average small forward who can do it all, and a backup PF that could start for most teams out there. Acquire an impact PG via sign/draft and a center, let some of these young guys develop at SG, and we’re on our way.

This year, it’s not like we could have landed a point guard to step in and make an immediate impact with the 21st pick (which went to New Jersey) unless you think Chalmers is more than a backup PG, and the only centers available at that spot are huge question marks: Koufos, a few euros, and DeAndre Jordan – and while I’m an Aggie, I have a hard time believing he’s going to make a difference in the NBA in the next 2 years.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chalmers is more than a backup pg

but then again he has been one of my favorites since he stepped foot on campus in lawrence. Miracle shot or not, he is a stud defensively and a good 3-point shooter.

but then again I am more than a little biased, heck my march madness bracket was named after Super Mario a couple years back.

"Why do you need the stereo and the tv on?"
"Cause I like to pawrty."

by rchawk12 on Jul 2, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love the guy

great defense, can hit the big shot…most importantly, whenever I see him or hear his name called, I think of Ralph from the Simpsons saying “Super Nintendo Chalmers” and it cracks me the f up.

you are definitely biased, but I could be wrong…I just see him as a Brevin Knight at best. would I take him as our backup? Hell yes. Would I take him as our future replacement as starter for Kidd? Not personally. But that’s my humble opinion

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hahahahah

super nintendo chalmers

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Jul 3, 2008 12:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh I fully admit I am biased

I am not sure he is a future starter, but at that point in the draft you have to admit he was a steal.

"Why do you need the stereo and the tv on?"
"Cause I like to pawrty."

by rchawk12 on Jul 3, 2008 1:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

perhaps i am overly optimistic

but we really added quite a bit of intriguing talent to our summer league, and I have a feeling we will be able to add a couple of those guys to the mix. The one area in with no depth was the 5 spot. As long as we commit to giving some rosters spots and meaningful time this year to some young, undeveloped talent, I will be happy.

by clark on Jul 2, 2008 3:58 PM CDT   0 recs

SG also

hopefully shan works out

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by ab03 on Jul 2, 2008 4:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

SGs we have already

Foster – great 3 point shooter, can he do anything else?
Green – freak athlete, can he mature?
Terry – we know what he brings, but he’s undersized and shouldn’t start
Seibutis – can back up the PG – would love to see what he can do for us
Reshawn Terry – very good defender, very good shooter – would love to see what he can do, too
Stackhouse – the old vet still has a little left, but shouldn’t start and could back up the SF position more than SG

  • I’ve always wanted to see Josh Howard moved to the SG position, and move Bass into the lineup as a SF – then with Kidd, Howard and Dirk, you have 3 pretty good 3 point shooters, a very good defensive lineup (Dirk the only hole and he’s not as bad as he used to be), 5 guys who can score and pass, and a post presence for Kidd to dump it off to

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I mean he's not the best SHOOTER

below 40% but his 3 point shooting is right about at that mark, too…which is actually pretty good

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

Well, there goes that theory.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 4:03 PM CDT   0 recs

I really think

That this increases the chances of Howard getting traded. At least, of the Mavs being open to it.

Not that I think they’ll just give him away, or that they’d be pissed if he’s still here for the start of the season.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The lineup

anyone know what the lineup looks like tonight?

by RRiders on Jul 2, 2008 4:14 PM CDT   0 recs

good grief

surely we dont stand pat now…right?

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by knockoutking on Jul 2, 2008 4:15 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't understand why not...

you’ve infused youth into the SG/SF position, you have an MVP and two other All Stars on your team, another very good backup SG (Jet), two other very capable bench players at SF and PF (Stack and Bass) and an above-average platoon at Center.

Our biggest problems last year in order were Josh Howard’s horrible month plus downfall, age/injury issues preventing us from having consistency at the SG position and the lack of trust between our coach and our All Star point guard. I think we have possibly fixed all three issues. While we don’t have a dominant SG that I would like in the mold of Kobe, Manu, Wade, or even a Paul Pierce, I don’t see how else we could supplement this team…that is, if Seibutis is really the answer at backup PG, which he may not be

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 2, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What can we get for Magliore?

Diop’s signing gives us freedom to trade this valuable trade chip!

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by hubcityraider on Jul 2, 2008 4:33 PM CDT   0 recs

starting lineup

is going to look very similar to the one when they went to the NBA championship.

"Chase Irwin: You pissed me off, I just can't remember why." - Miles.

by Longhorn on Jul 2, 2008 4:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Unbelievable

I want Donnie gone.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 4:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Donnie

I no longer want him running the team, if my assumption that no trades are in the works.

5 years of Diop for 6 mill a year is a stupid, stupid signing.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unless

The only way it makes any sense is if they’re moving Damp in a trade. And that’s highly unlikely.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 4:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why?

For one, that’s an extremely reasonable salary for a quality big man, which I’m not ready to call Diop yet. He is, though, quite young, and could develop more.

I think that’s a very tradeable contract.

Also, I said “Hmm” because you’re assuming that Nelson is making all the calls himself, which isn’t correct from what we’ve heard.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

who else would?

Cuban?

"Chase Irwin: You pissed me off, I just can't remember why." - Miles.

by Longhorn on Jul 2, 2008 5:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course it's correct

Cuban is the money guy. Donnie is in charge of finding who he wants and running the money by Cuban. If you don’t believe that then you don’t believe Cuban, because that’s the way he describes it every times he’s asked.

A 30 mil contract is not extremely reasonable for a backup center.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 5:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No...

He says they make mutual decisions.

You don’t think Cuban is involved on the player side?

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's involved

But his main involvment is the money. They make mutual decisions in that Nelson identifies the player, and they Cuban has to agree on whether the money makes sense.

I’ve heard this straight from Cuban’s mouth on several occasions.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 5:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you

Only talking about free agency, or does that go for any move?

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

...

Why would it only be for free agency. Of course it’s any move.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 5:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then

You’re clearly wrong.

Go back and review the Kidd trade.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 5:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's from Cuban

Himself, which partially validates you, but not completely:

“In discussing trades, Avery and Donnie take the role of determining which trades can help the team. Its my job to manage the financial and long term impact. No trade is done unless we all agree we should do it. We all have veto power.”

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Umm

Of course it validates what I said. What about the Kidd trade says otherwise? What you quoted is from Mark’s blog discussing the trade.

Mark is in charge of finances.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 7:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

It also says they make decisions, together, which validates what I said.

Your arrogance and failure to acknowledge any point but your own here is puzzling.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 8:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

God...

everywhere I look… Brett being a douche!

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 2, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Go get the ball!

Come on! Bring it back…good.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Arrogance?

Cuban – ”..Avery and Donnie take the role of determining which trades can help the team. Its my job to manage the financial and long term impact”

Me – “He’s involved But his main involvment is the money. They make mutual decisions in that Nelson identifies the player, and they Cuban has to agree on whether the money makes sense.”

Seems to match up no? I never said that Cuban wasn’t involved, what I said was Nelson find the players he think fits.

by jthig32 on Jul 2, 2008 11:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Listen friend,

I think you’re missing the next step in the analysis.

What does “the money making sense” entail? Are you reading that so narrowly as to construe it to mean that Nelson finds any player he wants, and as long as it’s financially POSSIBLE to do it, Cuban green-lights it?

Or, do you think that “money making sense” would entail a case-specific process—where the money would be balanced against the player, and all the skills he has or does not have?

If that’s the case, then it’s quite possible that Cuban would say, “No, Donnie, that doesn’t make sense financially, because he’s not good enough to warrant the money he wants.”

I’ve never once argued that Cuban is out scouring Europe for the next Dirk. I said he’s involved in the decision-making process from the player side, because he is. His vote for or against a player is just as determinative as to who plays here as Nelson’s.

Let’s not forget your original claim: “I want Donnie gone.” So, in your analysis, only Donnie gets the blame. Yet you try to convince me that you understand Cuban’s involvement in the decisions. The two are not compatible. If Nelson made a bad call in identifying a player, he’s just as culpable as Cuban, who determined that that player was worth it financially and long-term.

So yes, arrogance.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 11:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You use

too many big words and try too hard and never think you’re wrong. Which makes you not cool.

by AirJordan on Jul 2, 2008 11:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

I don’t know what to say about the first two, but go look at the fanshot Mavs post.

I was wrong, and I admitted it.

by brettgardner on Jul 2, 2008 11:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I don’t feel like looking for it, I’ll take your word for it…

But you do try too hard. You’re 22 or under correct? Act like it. You take everything way too seriously.

by AirJordan on Jul 3, 2008 12:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What would

You like me to do? Comment on the latest fantastic tits I saw? I mean, I can do that, but don’t we all generally come here to voice opinions?

I’m not actually arguing with my girlfriend and co-workers all day long. I don’t think this blog has to reflect every aspect of my life.

by brettgardner on Jul 3, 2008 12:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

Look, Donnie identifies the player. If Cuban says “I don’t think that makes sense” and is completely deadset then Donnie goes and finds another player he wants to target.

If Cuban isn’t 100% against, just unsure, then in my opinion he’s going to trust his basketball people, which is what any good owner should do.

I don’t necessarily absolve Cuban from the decisions, but Cuban’s not going anywhere, and a different GM would bring a different set of options to the table for Cuban and Carlisle to ponder.

It is 100% logical to conclude that replacing Donnie would result in a change in the player evaluation and acquisition process.

So saying “I’m completely unimpressed by Mavs’ transaction of the past three seasons, I want a new GM” is logical and rational.

by jthig32 on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh.

You don’t need to convince me of how logical you are.

But here’s my answer:

For one, I guess you don’t give him credit for Diop, Bass and Barea, which is a mistake I think. He’s had extremely limited resources to work with.

But more importantly, one of your key premises is just wrong.

From all accounts, there was some level of trepidation on the part of Cuban, Donnie and Avery regarding Kidd. So, in that instance Cuban deferring to everybody else just doesn’t work, especially when you consider that Avery has expressed his concern with the trade since. I guess under your theory, since Cuban wasn’t 100%, and neither was Avery, it must have been Don Nelson driving home the point relentlessly—completely his baby. I doubt that very seriously.

It’s fine if you don’t like Donnie. It’s fine if you want him fired. That wasn’t the point. The point was that you pinned exclusive blame on him, and when questioned why you don’t blame Cuban equally, you just throw up and your hands and say he’s not going anywhere.

I’ve disagreed with plenty of Mavericks moves, but I hardly lay them at the feet of one person. And if it were going to be one person, it’d certainly be Cuban. I’m not sure why you’re trying to characterize him as some generic, luxury-suite owner when he’s clearly deeply involved in the basketball side of things.

by brettgardner on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not painting him that way

Not at all. Again though, Donnie is the guy that figures out how can be had by trade and free agency and who can’t. If Donnie doesn’t do the leg work on a potential trade, Cuban never gets to give his opinion on it.

I never said I laid everything at the feet of Donnie, I said I wanted Donnie fired. I didn’t lay everything from last season at the feet of Avery, but I wanted him fired too. See how that works?

And btw, don’t believe for a second Avery’s hindsight “trepidation” over the Kidd trade.

I give Donnie credit for some very key signings (although Barrea? really?). I like Donnie historically and have defended him. But I think he’s the kind of guy that falls in love with his players, and is willing to give Diop a stupid contract because he’s a great guy and knows him well.

by jthig32 on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just curious

Who would you rather have seen the MLE spent on? Realistically, of course.

by brettgardner on Jul 3, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok

Assuming Maggette and Posey are not realistic:

I would have thought long and hard about using the full MLE on CJ Miles to pry him away from Utah, and then looked to trade Stack and Jone’s expiring contracts for a serviceable backup center.

Miles is a risk, certainly, but he’s a risk with a lot of potential, and it’s potential that would fill the biggest hole the Mavs have.

If that’s not an option, then I would talk to Bonzi Wells and Gordeon Giricek about taking half of the MLE apiece.

There are even more options out there than that, that’s just off the top of my head.

I just don’t think backup center was worth our only major free agency card this season.

by jthig32 on Jul 3, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

Those are awful moves.

You really think spending the whole MLE on CJ Miles is better than Diop?

I’m not defending the Diop signing as the smartest use of the money, but I’d be legitimately pissed if we spent that much on Miles. What is it that he’s done more than Gerald Green, exactly, who just signed a vet min deal?

And it’s fine to say that you’d trade Stack and Jones, but somebody else has to be willing. Kinda dangerous to just assume that you can make some trade happen, and that you’d come out on top.

Similarly, I’d be upset if we spent the whole MLE on Posey, who’s a nice role player. Granted, Diop will be a shared-minutes player, but at least he’s still pretty young.

As for Wells and/or Giricek, well, I’m just glad you’re not the GM.

by brettgardner on Jul 3, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Miles

C’mon, Miles is generally thought to be on the cusp of a being a reliable member of a rotation. Gerald Green is a head case, that’s reason #1 that he signed a vet minimum deal.

I realize you have to find a partner to unload Stack and Jones, but I think it’s doable if all you’re expecting is a serviceable back up center.

As far as Posey, other than Maggette there isn’t a (somewhat) realistic free agent on the market that would be a better fit for this team. I would have done backflips if we’d spent out MLE on Posey.

I guess you’re one of the people that thinks Carlisle is the only change this team needed to be great again, and are ready to roll into battle again with Terry starting at the 2 and Stack playing 25 minutes off the bench.

I’m excited about Carlisle but I think this roster needs some changes, and it doesn’t look like they’re coming. I find that disappointing.

by jthig32 on Jul 3, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think that at all.

I’m not expecting anything radically different, actually.

I’d love for this roster to have some more young, freakish talent. That’d be just fine with me. But that’s like saying you want a young, cheap ace—no shit, everybody else does too.

I’d be absolutely thrilled to get Miles. I’ve wanted him here since he came out of high school. I just don’t think it’d be smart to give him any real money based solely on his potential. If we had the bi-annual, I’d be all for using that on him. As it is, he’s definitely worth a vet min or part of the MLE, but certainly not all of it.

I think Diop was the top player available at his position, and while I don’t think he’s the key to a championship run, he makes this a better team than it was after he left. Can’t say that about those other players you mentioned.

by brettgardner on Jul 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough

I certainly disagree on Posey. Giricek to a much lesser extent.

by jthig32 on Jul 3, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

as an objective third party

you’re completely wrong here, it says exactly what jthig said. Any reasonable person would interpret that to mean that Cuban only vetoes if there is a problem financially.

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by ab03 on Jul 3, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Curious

What does “long-term impact” mean to you?

by brettgardner on Jul 3, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For the record

I’m not saying Cuban ONLY vetoes based on money. Obviously he has SOME input playerwise. But I firmly believe he trust his basketball people for the majority of on-court personnel decisions.

by jthig32 on Jul 3, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not disputing that.

I agree that he trusts his people—Donnie, particular. I believe I’ve heard that he trusts Donnie more than anybody he’s ever done business with in his life.

by brettgardner on Jul 3, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm ready to blow this thing up

At this point, with the stupid deals amgement is making, go on ahead and trade Kidd, Terry, Stack, Damp, Howard, and anyone else who doesn’t figure into your plans in rebuilding. This team looks alot like the late 90 Cowobys, who would trade 2 first round picks- that turned out to be Steve Hutchinson and Shaun Alexander- for Joey Galloway , who, they thought would save an aging roster and lead to one more super bowl. It didn’t work out then, and its not oging to work out now.

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by hinduplaya on Jul 2, 2008 5:00 PM CDT   0 recs