7/20/08 minors
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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Full slate of games tonight, so I figured I'd throw up a main-page minors thread.
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yay
Diamond on TV..
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Diamond looks a little portly....
too many mars bars during rehab?
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want to
put too much stress on your elbow by jogging too much/hard or mixing in too many salads.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 20, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Fatty foods increase elbow viscosity.
Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. -- Ben Stein
by Lucas on Jul 20, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Moreland
Pitching the 9th for Clinton in a 13-3 blowout
Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. -- Ben Stein
by Lucas on Jul 20, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i sure hope he was a 2 way player in HS or College
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was
BA: “Moreland might be drafted as a first baseman, where plus raw power is his best asset. Because he’s limited defensively and has an uppercut swing that’s full of holes, he has received more interest as a pitcher. His ceiling on the mound is also modest, but he has an aggressive approach and comes right after hitters with an 86-90 mph fastball and a curveball that has good spin. “
Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. -- Ben Stein
by Lucas on Jul 20, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 Ks in his 1 IP
But he did allow a hit.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't there questions..
whether he’d be a pitcher or position player as a pro
"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08
by badradiorules on Jul 20, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was sitting here...
...trying to come up with a top 20 or top 30 prospect list, with the idea that I’d post it later this week, and I gave up.
I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago when I did one.
I just can’t figure out what to do when I get to around #7.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
go ahead and do it
i would like to see a top 30 from you.
Don’t be scared.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm curious how high you have
Smoak. I know you love him.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
I had him third. The top six was:
Davis
Feliz
Smoak
Max
Hurley
Andrus
Then, after that, I got stuck…Vallejo, Duran, Main, Beavan, Teagarden, Hunter, Holland, Kiker, Beltre, Boscan, Font, Harrison, Lemon, JMJ, Ross, Neil Ramirez…
All of those guys, I look at and say, how can I leave one of those guys out of the top 10? If I put Main ahead of Holland, don’t I have to put Beavan ahead of Hunter? But can I also put Font and Boscan ahead of Holland and Hunter? And if I don’t, don’t I have to slot Holland and Hunter ahead of Beavan and Main? And what about Vallejo and Duran? And can I really justify having Duran that much higher than Lemon?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
these rankings are tough if you try to do it right.
personally i felt when it came down to it main,beavan, teagarden were all more deserving of top 10 spots so i went with them.
having such a good system can be a curse when you try to rank them all
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 20, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo
How far does he drop from say 14 where BA had him this year?
by Chris Hanes on Jul 20, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's
tough to do and it seems like those bunch of guys are so close you could change their rankings every few weeks. Just look how much Holland’s stock has gone up the past few weeks.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'd leave off Hurley and Davis
Both will have graduated this year because I can’t see them going back down. So for me:
Feliz
Max
Smoak
Andrus
Holland
Main
Harrison
Beltre
Kiker
Vallejo
Borbon
Hunter
Teagarden
Gomez
Beavan
Boscan
Font
Lemon
Ramirez
Duran
Diamond
JMJ
Ross
Perez
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now looking at that list
I’d switch Perez with Ross, because he’s younger and all ready pitching but we’ll really have to evaluate them after next year.
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loe the Holland optimism!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what
you start out hating it but then warm up to it eventually and really like it, but then towards the end of the season you really hate the idea so much that you wind up getting a migraine and have to go to the disabled list, where afterwards you never come back the same and are only a shell of the poster you once were?
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
by rchawk12 on Jul 21, 2008 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 21, 2008 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
I loe the Holland optimism!
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you loe love it or do you kameron loe love it? Its an honest question and there is a difference.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
by rchawk12 on Jul 21, 2008 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
somewhere in between the two. Hopefully more pure love though.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 21, 2008 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too would hope
that your love of the optimism regarding Holland to in no way shape of form have anything to do with Kameron Loe. If you havent picked up on it yet, I was just giving you a hard time about a typo.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
by rchawk12 on Jul 21, 2008 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know haha
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 21, 2008 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Both will have graduated this year because I can’t see them going back down.
Yep, they would probably have to have a season ending injury to not get the rest of the AB/IP to use up their rookie status. Ramirez might be a little more of a question, but his status will probably be decided by whether they hang onto Teagarden in the next few days. I’d be surprised if Duran doesn’t get 28 more AB as well.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 20, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez ahead of Beavan?
um, yeah right.
by coolaid on Jul 20, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan's drop of velocity
worries me. Gomez has pitched lights out till his sudden disapperance. I’m a big believer in Gomez. If I’m wrong so be it but Beavan’s going to have to prove it to me in Bakersfield next year before he rises on my list.
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan's drop in velo
shouldn’t really worry you. He isn’t going to throw as hard as he did in HS. It’s not going to happen.
by jparks77 on Jul 20, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect him to hit 92 to 93 consistantly.
But until he does that I have him just slightly behind Gomez. I hope he does bounce back and there is a lot to pitching in games, and side sessions that he never did in High school. I’m just still skeptical. Besides Gomez ahead of him isn’t a knock on Beavan but more being bullish on Gomez.
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're right...
He might have been a bad pick, and I’d rather have Porcello.
by Ajax68 on Jul 21, 2008 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan is learning a new delivery and pitching on four days rest for the first time in his life
Almost all minor league pitchers suffer from a loss of velocity in their first season. Once he gets stronger, more accustomed to his new delivery and used to pitching in a rotation, the velocity will come back. He will be in the low to mid 90s again.
by uthornfan on Jul 20, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Max stays,
has he not shown that he can gun down some runners and manage a game better then we were led to believe? Granted it is only a small sample, but I’m impressed by what I’ve heard and have seen.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jul 20, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max goes to AAA
when Laird returns. He won’t be traded until the off season.
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the last 6 games Ramirez has started behind the plate...
Loss: 14-2
Win: 12-11
Loss: 11-10
Loss: 9-6
Win: 11-10
Loss: 18-7
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
it can’t be the pitcher’s fault.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 20, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood in Baltimore...
...did you happen to notice how annoyed he was with Ramirez?
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mendoza in Texas...
...did you happen to notice the lack of framing behind the plate?
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excuses
I really doubt a catchers lack of “framing” a pitch is going to lead to the scores you listed above. I think they have to do more with bad pitching than framing or pitch calling. As for Millwood, whenever he is pitching poorly he is annoyed (and annoying).
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 20, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd like to think...
...that a rookie pitcher wouldn’t mind having an open glove to throw at.
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, you're basically saying...
...that the above trend is just… bad luck?...
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the rangers
i guess every catcher the rangers have ever had have sucked at calling a game
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Jul 21, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve got a top 100 you can cheat off of…
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what happened all of the sudden (going from last year to this year)
but he hits the ball hard.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 20, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Harrison
wasn’t he basically Matt Laporta at FLA?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sort of
but Laporta was about 100 times better.
by uthornfan on Jul 20, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100X
yeah, maybe, but you couldn’t tell that from FLA stats.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
College stats can be misleading
Laporta was a consensus high first round pick while Harrison was seen as a 4th-8th round talent. They both hit a lot of homers in college, but as far as being similar talents, it wasn’t even close.
by uthornfan on Jul 20, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nasty.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see that Nolan quote about Feliz?
Says it was impressive how he handled the jump to Frisco, and it makes him think Feliz will move quickly thru the system…
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have thought this 2 months ago...
...but at this point, I’ll be surprised if Feliz isn’t pitching in Arlington at some point in 2009…
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
straight to the rotation
or the Joba treatment?
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess...
...is that he’d pitch out of the bullpen…
He’s pushing 100 innings this season, after just having 42 innings last year…
My guess is that, given his age and repertoire, he’d be a July or August callup to pitch out of the bullpen next year…
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally
Feliz can be what David Price will probably be for Tampa this year. They don’t necessarily need him in the rotation now but he will be a great addition when they call him up and he can pitch out of the bullpen.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he'll be up here in Sept.
and won’t go back to the minors again. I don’t think he even sniffs AAA…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh baby that would be sexual
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the best thing to do in my opinion
Give him some innings out of the bullpen next September and then have him “fight” for a rotation spot in ST of 2010. The fight would basically be the same as Kinsler fighting for a starting spot from a few years ago.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I would LOVE that too.
Also, Diamond 4 K’s in the first 1.2 IP. Nice.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FSSW doesn't have a radar gun
so I don’t really know. But his curve is looking unhittable.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
announcer said 89-91. But, he also said that he’s been as high at 95 this year and he’s easily hitting 91, 92 today with an effortless motion and probably is just being a little cautious because of his return from TJ. Not sure how accurate that last part is though…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the broadcaster's said
he was nowhere near to mid-90’s
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 K's
thru 2 IP
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make it 5 through 2.0 IP
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diamond
needs to lay off the Dos Equis. Look at that gut.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 20, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dos Equis Amber
delicious.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
filthy
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Skins got Jason Taylor
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for who
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd and 6th rounder
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
it’s not like this is the first time that they’ve had some good players, then added a big name guy for draft picks, yeah. I just wish someone in the division were a bit of a pushover. It’s much tougher to get homefield when you have three quality teams in you division.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 20, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they do
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't matter
Dallas will go 12-4 and still win the Division and get Home field
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Jul 20, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
still won’t win a playoff game.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 20, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I got them beating San Diego in the Super Bowl
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Jul 21, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being a bills fan and having to face Taylor twice a year, I'll leave you with this-
“Have fun with that.”
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jul 20, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How in hell do they contiunue to afford these people?
Weren’t they 20 mil above the salary cap going into the offseason?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
by BudLight on Jul 20, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These announcers on the Frisco game are awful
Their prospect spotlight was on a 25-year-old AA left fielder who can’t hit and has no power. I am so glad that when we talk about prospects, guys like that are never mentioned.
by uthornfan on Jul 20, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume these are the Astros guys
Well who the hell else on that team are the going to talk about? the Astros farm system sucks.
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are Astros guys
It is Dierker and someone else. And you are correct, their system sucks. When we finish our top 30 on this site, I bet our 26-30 guys would be in the top ten of their system.
by uthornfan on Jul 20, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet that some might be top 5
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even include Boggs
on my list above and I promise you he’d be top five in the Astros system. Ballard, Osuna, and Gac would all probably make their top ten to fifteen.
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course that prospect, Hart, then hit a bomb
still a non-prospect though.
by uthornfan on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a REAL trivia question:
how old is Vladdy… really?
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: But it was
real cool to see Dirk after qualifying for the olympics. He’s a good good.
by AirJordan on Jul 20, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how bad did he beat up on Barea
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They pulled
it out 96-82 Dirk had 30. He was crying like crazy afterward.
by AirJordan on Jul 20, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Harrison
Still a prospect or good minor leager?
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
somewhere in between
He needs to be in AAA and start hitting. I don’t think he sees any regular playing time for the Rangers, but maybe he can get a shot somewhere else as a throw in to some deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start hitting? He is hitting, with power. However, we won’t know how the rangers feel about him until the rule 5 draft. If they protect him he is still a prospect on the radar if not he get’s drafted probably.
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to guess...
...that he won’t be protected…
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone grabbed him, but really, he’d be hard to keep all season…no defensive value, limited to LF or DH, and a righty hitter…someone might grab him to take a look at him and then try to make a deal to keep him, but I think the chances of him getting selected in the Rule 5 and kept on a 25 man roster all season aren’t great…
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 26 about to be 27
This is his 3rd at least partial season in Frisco. His offensive stats are valued probably as much as Nate Gold’s was in his breakout season in Frisco.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the complete story about last year is...
that he played hurt and in retrospect realized he shouldn’t have. I think Jason Cole did an interview with him where he talked about it. I wouldn’t hold that against him, trying to paly hurt – look at arias last year, didn’t play at all on a shoulder that had no damage to it.
I look at him as having lost a year to injury like Diamond. Speaking of Diamond, he’ll be 26 next year and won’t challenge for a rotation spot.
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it sucks
but it still doesn’t make him a prospect or all of a sudden make his season look more impressive. Injuries are one of the main reasons most prospects never pan out. It happens.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say
injuries and lack of talent more than age. It can’t be a good sign though that Jason Ellison has been kept on the AAA roster over Harrison and S. Murphy.
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JMJ
He’s kind of stopped hitting. 1 for his last 23.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 20, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so has Cruz
He’s 0-1 today.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should be hitting in front of Cruz
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz should be hitting in Arlington...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wakefield and DelCarmen blow it for the Sox...
5-3… Top 9…
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowdein
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really sure
but I could easily see the Red Sox waiting until the offseason to address their catching situation so maybe a Salty for Bowdein deal can go down then.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line though
JD is trading one of these catchers for somebody…and it is going to happen either at the deadline or this offseason.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they wait?
Varitek = 645 ops
Cash = 681 ops
If it’s Bowden you want. Things would have to go horribly wrong for the Sox this year for Bowden to factor into 2008 plans.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 20, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
realistic answer though...
...can we get Bowden for Eddie and Max?
you’d probably have to throw in an A-Ball arm.
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends how much the Red Sox value those 2
They pulled off that Gagne deal, saw it blow up big time in their faces, and don’t really care much that it did. They can afford to overpay with their non-stud prospects for pieces they need.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's only two lefties in the Boston bullpen...
...Lopez and Okajima…
i suppose they could use Eddie as a 7th inning guy… but, for someone who’ll probably only pitch an inning at a time… i don’t think Guardado is very valuable to them…
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that
Despite Bowden’s great numbers this year he hasn’t cracked Keith Law’s top 100. I was talking to Law on facebook asking about him and he said:
“Apparently I’m getting slaughtered on the soxprospects forum because I’m not slobbering all over Bowden. The funny thing is that I never said he was bad, just that he’s not one of the best prospects in the game.”
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Keith Law
I disagree big time with his overall assessment of Murphy, but he knows his stuff and is funny as hell
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KLaw is my hero,
He went and saw Bowden pitch not to long ago and came away unimpressed.
Jim (Portland, OR): KLaw, what is your opinion on Bowden now that you’ve seen him?SportsNation Keith Law: Disappointed. He was 88-91, below average command, flashed a plus curveball that has a chance to be an out pitch. Barely used his change, which Red Sox people have told me is his best pitch. Ugly delivery. Never saw the 94 mph I’d heard he was dealing this year, and the pro scout behind me told me he’d seen Bowden twice before (in 2008) and never had him above 88-92.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jul 21, 2008 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes me that much more curious
about his really impressive numbers this year.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 21, 2008 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Cash can handle knuckleballs and Varitek isn’t going anywhere this year. As for trading a catcher to the Sox, I just imagine it’s something they will address this offseason.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 innings of 4 run ball is blowing it?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you obviously didn't watch the game...
...Sox were up 3-2 going into the bottom of the 8th.
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still don't see that as blowing it
blowing a game is what Millwood did the other day. Its what CJ almost does each time he goes out there. 7 innings and 4 runs is a solid start. Not dominating, but one that allows the offense to win the game.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you have a run one lead going into the 8th... and are trailing going into 9th...
...you’ve blown it.
ass…
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO?
CJ blows games every time he go’s outthere yet he never loses but these guys lose a game and they didnt blow it. I think you just BLEW it!
by blueballlefty on Jul 20, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
random thought...you know what i miss
the Darth Vader music when Juan use to come up to bat…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
The angels are really really good.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is fine with me
the quicker the Rangers realize they aren’t “in it” for the West, the quicker they can move forward to 2009 and beyond
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
they are going to get owned in the playoffs
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pzzownd!1!!
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick
guess what Cruz did today. Only one guess though.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
got called up b/c Byrd and Cat were
dealt to the Dodgers for Clayton Kershaw and Matt Kemp?
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should also mention the Rangers then
flipped Kemp along with Blalock to the Rays for Longoria and Price.
So, who won those deals?
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too early to judge!!!!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to Kellerman show right now
and it’s rather obvious why Steve Phillips was fired from the Mets. He says he wouldn’t want Adam Dunn because he sucks in the OF and doesn’t hit sacrifice flies and AVG is a great stat.
Check it out, Kellerman and Kenny pwning Phillips…
7/17 podcast towards the end of it. Some GREAT stuff there…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kellerman radio show is money
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
Not wanting Dunn would actually make someone a pretty smart GM IMO.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Jul 20, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Care to explain your reasoning here?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old man skills
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
by BudLight on Jul 20, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More randomness
if you get a chance, please watch The Dark Knight at an IMAX.
Unbelievable.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Going to see at IMAX on Sat
I’m excited
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec for mentioning the best movie of the past 14 years.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
by BudLight on Jul 20, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate sweeping
generalizations like that. Best movie in 14 years? All this hype makes me not want to see it.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Jul 20, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
you would do something because of what other people think?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
I’m saying I would want to not do something because I get tired of all the hype and ads. Actually, I generally feel this way about every big movie release. Incessant ads, reviews and hype turn me off, then a few months later I watch it on demand at home and enjoy it.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Jul 20, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
watching it at home
You might have a nice audio system, aka surround sound, but you aren’t doing yourself any favors by not getting a theatrical experience with a movie like Dark Knight.
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jul 20, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
I am perfectly happy to avoid:
95 deg. heat
theater prices for tickets and food
finding and paying a babysitter
sticky, unknown substances on floor/seats
hundreds of noisy people
going deaf because the damn sound is turned up too loud.
I’ll stick with the place were I control the food, volume, and who else is watching with me. I don’t miss the “theatrical experience” one bit.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Jul 20, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, by the way
Get off my lawn!
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Jul 20, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I go to the movies...
by myself in the middle of the day when the theaters are empty.
Cheaper and not a bunch of people there. Of course that also makes me one of those creepy guys who goes to a movie by himself. Oh well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 20, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ew
I suppose this makes me creepy as well.
by naropean on Jul 20, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
add me to the list
i wouldnt do it for a year or so, but most of my friends dont like going to the movies period, let alone the ones I want to see. So one particularly bad day I found myself with nothing else to do and a little time to kill before my next appointment and saw i think it was american gangster in the middle of the day with like 4 people in the theater. It was actually very enjoyable and now if i find myself bored and wanting to see a movie ill call to see what everyone is doing (mostly working or in class) and if that fails I feel perfectly comfortable going alone.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
by rchawk12 on Jul 21, 2008 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i saw it myself
during the day. ticket prices are cheaper and the theater is usually less crowded, though it wasnt very empty for batman.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 21, 2008 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMC Valley View
Has student pricing on thursdays and it carried over to the midnight showing.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
by BudLight on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make sense
Wouldn’t you want to see it to see what all the fuss is about?
by AirJordan on Jul 20, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
14 years?
What’s that a reference to? PF? Shawshank? Wasn’t that ‘94?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he's saying
that it’s better than million dollar baby
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 21, 2008 5:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Espy's...
Erin Andrews is fucking smokin.
by coolaid on Jul 20, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TiVOing ESPY's
gotta watch Generation Kill.
by Chris Hanes on Jul 20, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am watching
Batman Begins and the Espy’s.
by coolaid on Jul 20, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
G. KILL
was great last week…looking forward to tonight, have it DVRing as we speak.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it’s excellent
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never seen that site before
but I love the random video
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 20, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i watched a liverpool friendly on that site the other day
you can get feeds from all over the world that you dont get on satellite b/c the man is holding you down
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on Jul 20, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
further randomness...
...weren’t we supposed to “re-evaluate” Ron Washington at the All-Star Break?
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
JT is doing pretty good.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
given Aaron Rodgers a hug
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli Manning finally got to see a woman naked
Genius!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats right JT
Taste the Jayhawk pain.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 20, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
i can’t watch this, i gotta change the channel…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
JT giving Aaron Rodgers a hug
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Appy State baby
screw the Giants
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How the hell is an FCS school beating the #5 team
less of an upset than ANY nfl game?!? East Coast Bias
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Dark Knight's weekend Box Office Total
$155.34 Million…highest ever
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tickets prices
highest ticket prices ever also
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 20, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
They either adjust, report it by tickets sold, or put it in relative terms to how much the thing cost. Gross really doesn’t tell you that much.
by brettgardner on Jul 20, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Aikmen could of done all that.
He just had a really soft head!
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 20, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez, Favre is a windbag
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JT nailing Romo there
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ballard so far
allowed 1 walk, 1 HR, and 3 hits total in the first inning for 3R/2ER, and has allowed only a couple of hits in the 4 innings since then. Its his AAA debut I believe.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He keeps trying to push beyond
every expectation. Don’t know if he has a future with the big club but he’s made far more progress than most of us believed him capable. I wonder if he isn’t a long reliever coming out of the bullpen in two years.
by Hull Fan on Jul 20, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him and Schlact
Are two guys that are really overlooked because of the bigger names in the system. These guys might never be anything more than Kam Loes in the Majors, but even Kam Loe had some good stretch of baseball that helped the Rangers out. Neither are that old right now and still have plenty of time to develop, but if all we can get out of each of them is a couple of hundred solid innings out of the rotation or bullpen, then that’s not too bad.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please....
I’m not sure who you have been reading the last 3 years, but Schlact (and Phillips and Lemon and Whittleman and Yan) have been the most overhyped players by the minor league blogger triumvirate of Newberg-Lucas-Hindman. He and philips have the worst blow-up innings of any other pitchers in the system. Try these stats on for size for Schlact:
Career 29 37 5.11 600ip 690 h 1.49whip
08 5.46era whipt 1.53
last 10 games 6.43era
He won’t be protected for the rule 5 draft.
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lemon?
I’ll take a 800+ OPS from my middle infielder that is young for his level any day. Not to mention an OBP that is 100 points higher than his Avg. He is not overhyped at all. In fact, I’d say he might be overlooked right now because of the overall strength of the system.
by Garcia on Jul 21, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
someone would punch Favre in the face when they pan to him next time
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 20, 2008 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish I didn't have to listen to Tom Cruise's
voice muddling up a good story…
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Ferrell could play Josh Hamilton in the movie.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Jul 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bleh
McConaughey
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, no
World’s biggest douche.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
by BudLight on Jul 20, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welp, that's 2 awards the Giants didn't deserve
Appy State was the biggest upset
And any time there are like 20 laterals to win a game, it’s the top play
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking for help: The Rangers wouldn’t seem to have a chance in the American League West, but baseball officials said over the weekend that Texas is looking to add rather than subtract this month. The Rangers no longer seem interested in trading outfielder Milton Bradley, but would apparently deal some of their outfield depth if they could get a young starting pitcher they could control for a few years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sportsline/main10904067.shtml
by GregoryM on Jul 20, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's extremely confusing
we have OF depth? How are we going to get a young SP of high quality by trading an OF who isn’t named MB?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DaMurph? JMJ? Cruz?
Not that any of those guys alone could do it. But they would all 3 be sell high and could be part of a package, though not the main part. I have no problem with targeting a controllable arm…just not sure who that is. And if they do, while it may involve some of the “outfield depth”, it would have to involve one of the catchers and then some.
"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos
by SaltyDawg on Jul 20, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are the last pieces in any trade for a quality SP
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 20, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear marlon byrd is the man to turn the tides of division races everywhere
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 20, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for fuck's sake...
...let’s start a douchey club and cheer him on at home games…
...The Cruz Crew
by oc on Jul 20, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only a year older than Ham
i think he might be able to hit now in the majors with his change in approach at AAA…
This is insane what he’s doing right now.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What change in approach?
His #s are almost the same as last year with a rise in walks and strikeouts and stolen bases and fewer RBIs. I’m not sure anything has changed. Everyone said the same thing last year when he was producing the same #s at AAA.
Furthermore, who do you trade or send down for the guy who has yet to produce at the Major League level: Boggs, Murphy, Byrd. And even then, he would get part-time at-bats. Enough with the 4A man love already….
by Goyogringo on Jul 20, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oklahoma City Thunder?
I like it.
Also, they’re prolly going to get CJ Miles. That team could get really good quick.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 20, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate it.
I was pushing for the OKC Ragweeds.
by AirJordan on Jul 20, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thunder
That’s the name of our minor league hockey team in Wichita. That’s cheap.
"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08
by badradiorules on Jul 20, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wherein JP and I admit we missed the mark on Holland. We were conscious of his solid campaign at Clinton, but it wasn’t until a short while after we fired off our Top 25 that Holland Mania really kicked in with Cole/Jamey/MJH/etc.
Think that’s part of what makes mid-season prospect lists such a risky proposition – a hot hand can receive more credit than he deserves. That’s not to say that Holland doesn’t deserve a notable ranking, but I don’t think I buy him as top-10 material just yet.
by jamcadbury on Jul 21, 2008 2:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing about Holland
There is nothing negative in his profile.
He’s a power lefty that gets swinging strikes with a mid-90’s fastball, slider, and change-up.
He’s got a high K-rate and low walk rate, WHIP, avg against, and ERA. And he’s produced those stats in both of his years as a pro. This year, his ground ball rate has risen and he’s given up only 2 home runs in over 100 innings of works.
With the exception of Feliz and perhaps Main, every other Rangers pitching prospect has at least one statistical or physical characteristic that at least makes you pause. For instance:
Beavan – low K-rate
NeRa – high walk-rate
Font – shoulder/maturity(?) issues
Hunter – K-rate
Kiker – ERA, avg against
Harrison – K-rate
Hurley – ERA, avg against
Holland is a guy that you will find regardless of whether you look for him by statistical analysis or by scouting. And you will really like him when you realize that he has both stats and a scouting profile. For instance, I started following Holland last year when he was among the Northwest league leaders in K-rate and ERA. I got excited about him this year when he maintained and even improved his stats in the MWL. I got giddy when I listened to his first game in High A and heard that he was throwing 96 MPH. I imagine that the scouts who see Holland pitch and then review his statistical profile will have a similar response.
If he can maintain his peripherals in the Cal league, I also think it extremely likely that one or more national prospect writers will “discover” Holland while perusing the statistical pitching leaders in the NWL, get excited when they dig a little deeper, and ultimately place him at the back-end of their annual Top100 list. Because there are no negatives in his profile.
by spurdynasty on Jul 21, 2008 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that ERA should be an actual point against a guy in the minors, if everything else is there.
At any rate, I think that, at least from a scouting standpoint (rather than a statistical one), the knock on Holland would be that he has only shown the FB that he’s showing now for a short time. Velocity spikes aren’t always permanent.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 21, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On ERA and velocity spikes
Regarding ERA, I think it tends to be a decent indicator of how well a pitcher performs with runners on base. A guy with good primary peripherals and a surprisingly high ERA tends to have a high BAA with runners on base which likely results from a drop in pitch quality when the pitcher goes to the stretch.
Regarding Holland’s velocity spike, can you or someone else comment on how recent and significant the change has been? IIRC, Holland was pitching at 91-93 last year, Hindman had him touching 94 MPH in spring training, and somebody (Jason Cole, maybe?) had mentioned that weight training had allowed him to increase velocity to the point that a couple of pitchers in Clinton (Feliz and Gomez, maybe) had taken notice. If that is the timeline, then it appears that Holland has managed to add ~3 MPH going from 20 to 21 years old and going from presumably inferior community college instruction to being under the guidance of multiple pitching coaches in the Rangers organization. I’m no expert, but that sounds like something that could be expected given Holland’s profile (small school pitcher with good athletic ability).
by spurdynasty on Jul 21, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That all seems reasonable
I think that he was throwing a bit harder even this spring than he was last summer, but has always been regarded as having a nice FB for a lefty. I only point it out because when guys see their velocity increase there are all kinds of good explanations for why. But when they see it decrease, there is usually a mechanical theory (that usually doesn’t bear itself out), some suggestions of injury, but generally head scratching. So while we can make perfect sense of why his velo did rise and that it was a realistic amount, unless he holds it for over a year, I don’t think that we can discount the possibility that it doesn’t stick.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 21, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Thanks for your comments, by the way. I really value your insights and have learned a lot from you and Shroom among others on this board in the last couple of years. Keep up the good work!
by spurdynasty on Jul 21, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2008/07/21/sports/pro_sports/doc504d9bebf6ac38718625748c00714c7e.txt
Bush, former managing partner of the Texas Rangers, also rues the day his old team traded Danks for Brandon McCarthy.
Danks does not really know how Bush began following his career. The obvious connections are their Rangers connections and Danks’ former status as a high-school All-American pitcher out of Round Rock, Texas, near Austin, where Bush lived for six years while he was governor of Texas.
by GregoryM on Jul 21, 2008 3:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
its always a plus
when your prez can ready a boxscore.
by Goyogringo on Jul 22, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps...
but it’s a minus when that is the only thing he can read.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 23, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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