BP Goldstein Chat Wrap...Lots of Rangers talk
by Agreen07
on Jul 22, 2008 2:19 PM CDT
The entire chat transcript is here, but these are the comments relating to the Rangers.
BrowningNagle (Louisville, KY): What is the ultimate ceiling of Engel Beltre? He is absolutely murdering right handers. Is he along the mold of a Grady Sizemore (less some power)?
Kevin Goldstein: Wow -- long time no see Browning. Beltre's ultimate ceiling is off the charts. I haven't seen a player in the Midwest League who can match him on a pure tools level. That said, he has about 2% of Grady Sizemore's approach, and that has to change -- luckily he's get plenty of time.
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Neftali Feliz (Frisco, Texas): Surprised by my domination of the Texas League thus far?
Kevin Goldstein: Nope.
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Taylor Teagarden (OKC): No one questions my defensive abilities on the field, but will I hit enough to be a decent offensive catcher in the Bigs?
Kevin Goldstein: OKC? You're in the big leagues, baby! I compared him to kinda a Mickey Tettleton type with defensive chops, and I still like that.
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James (Stamford, Texas): Any concern Smoak doesn't sign?
Kevin Goldstein: No. He's just waiting it out like everyone else, and he wants to see what guys like Alonso and Beckham get, because he feels like he's in their neighborhood.
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Derek Holland (Bakersfield): Am I for real, or is the Scott Kazmir upside just hype?
Kevin Goldstein: I'm a big Holland believer, but did somebody really compare him to Kazmir? That's just silly talk. Put it this way, Holland just got to High-A (and he's dominated), and he turns 22 in October. At 22, Kazmir was entering his third year in the big leagues. Get excited, but don't get silly.
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myshkin (Santa Clara, CA): Who's the best power hitter from the 2008 draft five years from now?
Kevin Goldstein: Hosmer or Smoak.
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fellajsmall (ATL GA): I do not see a reason why someone would want Alonso over Smoak....seems like Smoak is better in every facet except maybe patience.
Kevin Goldstein: I agree with you whole heartedly.
Non-Ranger related:
Josh (outside Providence): Where can we expect Michael Bowden to rate next year in the top 100?
Kevin Goldstein: I haven't thought much about an overall top 100 of later, but my gut tells me in the first quarter of it.
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Clonod (St. Louis): Would you say that Willie Mays is a good comp for Colby Rasmus.
Kevin Goldstein: Comparing anyone to Willie Mays is ridiculous. Don't do that.
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Comparing a guy with a .750 ops in AAA to willie mays. Nice.
i wish smoak would sign. not worried though.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 22, 2008 2:28 PM CDT 0 recs
willie
is the greatest 5 tool player in the history of the game, how does marlon byrd stack up?
jeeze….
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on
Jul 22, 2008 2:44 PM CDT
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I thought...
...only one man had five tools on the Rangers?
by FuturePants on
Jul 22, 2008 3:09 PM CDT
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Slightly OT - who's the greatest hitter ever?
I’ve always said Ted Williams, my former roommate said Ty Cobb (and backed it up pretty well). What does everyone else think?
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on
Jul 22, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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depends on what you mean by hitter
if ‘hitting’ is contsrued broadly to encompass any positive offensive output a player has while at the plate then i thin ruth is hard to argue with, but if it is limited literally to the skill of obtaining hits i lean towards cobb. the guy is 5th all time in ABs and has two Ryan Howard seasons worth of strikeouts! he clearly knew what he was doing up there
williams has to be the discussion for either interpretation though.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on
Jul 22, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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Al Kaline
In the words of Jim Murray” He was pale, stringy, almost poetic looking. He always seemed to be struggling against a bad case of mononucleosis, But with a bat in his hands, he was King Kong. During his career, he hit 399 home runs and rapped out 3007 hits.”
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on
Jul 22, 2008 5:07 PM CDT
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The Bambino
And it’s not even that close…
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on
Jul 22, 2008 7:55 PM CDT
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It's really not close
Bonds was as good as it gets in our generation, but their career lines are further apart than I thought.
Ruth: .342/.474/.690 with a 207 ops+ and a .365 EQA.
Bonds: .298/.444/.607 with a 182 ops+ and a .354 EQA.
Ted Williams: .344/.482/.634 with a 191 ops+ and a .354 EQA.
Ty Cobb: .366/.433/.512 with a 167 ops+ and a .331 EQA
Yah, Ruth is the best ever.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on
Jul 22, 2008 8:32 PM CDT
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Gehrig
thought I would add my favorite player
Gehrig .340/.447/.632 with a 179 ops+
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on
Jul 23, 2008 7:14 AM CDT
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Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 23, 2008 11:59 PM CDT
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tyd33111 gave me his iron-clad guarantee
That’s all I needed to hear…
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on
Jul 22, 2008 2:52 PM CDT
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No way the
Rangers don’t give him what he wants.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 22, 2008 2:55 PM CDT
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He said tyd33111
you’re tyd3311.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Jul 22, 2008 10:06 PM CDT
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Does anyone know
if he is wanting a spot on the forty?
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 22, 2008 3:25 PM CDT 0 recs
Smoak I mean,
that was supposed to be a reply
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on
Jul 22, 2008 3:26 PM CDT
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Asking Goldstein if he is surprised by Feliz's success
That’s like asking MJH if he is surprised by Kinsler’s success…
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 22, 2008 4:05 PM CDT 0 recs
Teagarden
I guess he needs to start putting lumps of chew the size of Colorado in his cheek.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Jul 22, 2008 4:11 PM CDT 0 recs
And learn to switch-hit...
...and enjoy Froot Loops.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
by Chad Crudup on
Jul 22, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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I am so freakin' excited about Beltre.
I’m not sure I’ve ever been this stoked about a Rangers prospect.
I was pretty excited about Ruben Mateo, but I was, like, 14 and all I knew was the FOX guys hyped him a bunch.
by philkid3 on Jul 22, 2008 4:55 PM CDT 0 recs
what about Neftali Feliz>?
the dude just hit 101 mph, as a starter…......
by tyd3311 on
Jul 22, 2008 4:56 PM CDT
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I'm not sure I've ever been as stoked about a Rangers prospect as I am about Neftali Feliz.
Outside of Engel Beltre.
I find the work done by position players to be more exciting, and they play every day. I’m not talking about this purely from a logic-based “who will help us the most” approach.
by philkid3 on
Jul 22, 2008 5:00 PM CDT
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For me
its about actually maybe having a true bonified no. 1.. with filthy stuff.
by tyd3311 on Jul 22, 2008 5:02 PM CDT 0 recs
Bona fide
bonified would be like beaten to a pulp with bones.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on
Jul 22, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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Or
having something bad done to you by the guy who was just traded for Jon Rauch
by zywica on
Jul 22, 2008 6:15 PM CDT
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ROFL
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on
Jul 22, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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Hilarious that....
after the Gange trade so many on this site were calling for JD’s head. Now so many are in love with Beltre, not even considering the fact that we got Murphy and Gabbard out of it as well.
by erikj07 on Jul 22, 2008 5:08 PM CDT 0 recs
i dont remember one person being against moving gagne.
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on
Jul 22, 2008 5:40 PM CDT
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I do...
I was for the trade but there were plenty of people that wanted to lock him up for a multi-year deal instead of trading him.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 22, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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There were also....
A lot of people that felt JD just rolled over and gave Gagne to the Red Sox…
I liked everything but Murphy (who I felt was at best a 4th OF type) as his stats in the minors suggested.
boy I was wrong.
I though gabbard could be a middle of the rotation young Kenny Rogers (so far wrong) and Beltre’s ability was off the chart.(so far right)
by clinton33 on
Jul 22, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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In the initial trade thread we were all pretty underwhelmed
considering Gagne was well on his way to becoming a type-A FA if he’d kept doing what he was doing here, but the more I read about this mysterious Rookie League OF we got, and the lengths we went to to get him, the more excited I got about the deal.
Muprhy and Gabbard were just the spares, whereas at first they looked like the main course.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on
Jul 22, 2008 7:19 PM CDT
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It's funny
I was a Beltre guy to begin with (had him on my sim roster, etc), so it seemed pretty obvious that he was the focal point of the deal.
Then Daniels really talked up Gabbard and for a moment last summer, he was pitching well enough to be considered a potential part. Murphy hit very well after coming over and looked great earlier in this season.
But as we stand now, the trade looks pretty close to what it did at first glance last summer. It looks like Gabbard is a fringy, borderline MLB/AAAA pitcher, Murphy is a 4th OF with enough potential to be a 3rd if things work out, and Beltre is a raw teenager with enormous potential. Murphy probably looks a little more valuable than he did when the trade was made, but other than that, pretty much as expected.
by zywica on
Jul 22, 2008 7:28 PM CDT
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+1
No one’s ever said this. Murphy has such a crazed following.
I was coming around on Gabbard, though. Somehow he found ways to be effective this year, and then…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jul 23, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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Apparently
Keith Law (I think it was him) and Kevin Goldstein do not agree on Bowden at all.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on Jul 22, 2008 5:47 PM CDT 0 recs
Yeah
That’s true. I still want Bowden in a Rangers’ uni though.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 22, 2008 5:49 PM CDT
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Epstein won't extend Varitek...
Posada may be out until next season…
Advantage: Daniels
by oc on
Jul 22, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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haha
I hope.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 22, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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...just like they didn't agree on Feliz...
...and look who won that argument…
by oc on
Jul 22, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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This is from a recent chat
Nik (Dallas): Neftali Feliz reportedly hit 101 twice in his AA debut and was in the high 90’s most of the game. Wheels came off a little in the 5th but still an impressive debut for a 20 year old. It looks like BA will have him in their midseason top 15 with people jumping on the bandwagon by the day. What’s your opinion of him?
SportsNation Keith Law: I confirmed that with someone in Texas. It’s hard to see him not being in the top 20 or so by year-end. My only concern, even back in ST, was that it’s a reliever’s delivery/arm action.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 22, 2008 6:18 PM CDT
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Okay
That doesn’t seem very off base or negative to me.
by zywica on
Jul 22, 2008 7:29 PM CDT
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I agree
all I was doing was googling and trying to find anything he’s said about him.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 22, 2008 8:12 PM CDT
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Law
I wouldn’t say he is downing Feliz. I asked him a week or two later about Feliz and he said top 20.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jul 23, 2008 2:28 AM CDT
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Yea
Every once in a while he takes a undercut at J.P. It’s awesome!
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jul 23, 2008 2:29 AM CDT
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Law
He reads as a guy who went to Harvard and has no other way of looking at himself. No one goes to more trouble to remember about the Russian literature conversation he had with somebody at the airport.
I like his chats, and his personal site. He flashes humor when he takes chat questions.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jul 23, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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