Mike Gonzalez
by AirJordan on Jul 22, 2008 11:12 PM CDT
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The Rangers were clear winners at last year’s deadline, already seeing a payoff from last year’s deals. They might try again, making smaller deals focused on 2009. They might again have a match with the Braves, dealing one of their extra OF bats — Frank Catalanotto, Marlon Byrd, or even Milton Bradley — for Mike Gonzalez. There hasn’t been much interest in Hank Blalock, but he’s another name that could clear waivers.
Not a rental.... still has one more year on his deal, could probably step right in for Eddie when he's traded, has a 2.84 era and a dazzling .63 whip. Has closed before, just in case the CJ experiment goes awry.... Hell, trade Byrd and Cat for him.
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I comprehend
if we can control them long-term.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
ok green repeat after me, "I will check a pitcher's medical history and take it into account while discussing acquisitions"
“I will check a pitcher’s medical history and take it into account while discussing acquisitions”
say it 3 times and give me 3 hail mary’s.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I didn't say anything about Mike Gonzalez
I said I comprehend why the Rangers would trade for Relief Pitching….go kick a soccer ball or something :)
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Ill take a chance on a pitcher like gonzalez
for byrd or catalanotto. Kind of odd lumping those two with bradley, they are not even in the same stratosphere which makes me question the validity of this statement, cause thats what it sounds like, a statement of pure speculation with no links to merit it as a rumor.
Agreen is right though, the rays did this last year turning ty wigginton into dan wheeler and that worked out pretty well for them. You cant get a guy like feliz in every deal and we obviously need pitching so why not get a guy you know can pitch for you right now in one of your perceived weaknesses, the bullpen, who will still be around for more than one year. It would be a great deal to get him for one of byrd, or preferably cat.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
JD's got naked pictures of someone high up in their hierarchy?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
ya we got got some good hitters at the deadline
but once again we have absolutely no pitching.
it doesnt help to have all good hitters in the minors then just be blocked by our already good hitters
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
Mike Gonzalez is a pitcher...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Are you sure he's not a hitter? have you checked out his career line?
.500/.500/1.000 27OPS+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
Money Money Money
Any savings we might possibly get in dealing Cat, Byrd, or both would be taken by acquiring a reliever entering his final arbitration year. Mike Gonzalez, injury history notwithstanding, is a very good pitcher, but getting him now is at least a year too early, as the Rangers should not be planning on being a wire-to-wire contender in 2009. If they want to contend next year, they should be looking more at starters and less at relievers.
Well, we flipped Kenny Lofton last year for Max Ramirez
I know that Byrd and Catalanotto might not be on that same level… But I feel like we could get something a little better for them than a relief pitcher for a year where we wont be contending. Well, not unless we put a decent rotation together at least.
Value
I think getting Gonzalez for either Byrd or Cat on a one-for-one basis would be a steal for the Rangers. However, it’s the idea that Gonzalez is someone that fits the “team-controllable” that is wrong. With just one year on his FA clock left, he’s not the guy you want to be fishing for when dealing away guys that will be both be Rangers with comparable FA compensation returns after next season.
Gonalez
I could see the Braves moving him to make room for Soriano once he comes off the DL. If he were made available, he would immediately become the top left handed reliever on the market. All though half the league is interested in Fuentes, with Gonzalez’s contract, age, and upside I see lots of potential suitors. So having said that, I think that the price starts with Byrd or Boggs and one of Ramirez, Font, or Diamond. After last years bounty I think that’d probably want another “make-up” prospect too.
I personally think that it would be worth it. Gonzales immediately becomes the top closer on our roster. Wilson would probably keep the job for the time being but, he’d be on a short leash and might benefit from the competition.
"Make-up" Prospect
After last years bounty I think that’d probably want another "make-up" prospect too.
John Schuerholz pulled the trigger on last year’s deal for Atlanta. Since Frank Wren has taken over, I don’t see him trying to make the Rangers make up for last year’s trade, since he potentially wants the Rangers as trading partners down the road.
Thats all good and maybe true
but the conversation started with byrd/cat for gonzalez, if you want to speculate on throw ins they would be the beau jones types who havent become guys like beau jones, not font, diamond, etc. Unless you are talking about a different deal, which it seems that you are, a lot of opinions would change most likely. Gonzalez has a long list of injuries and the benefit of the trade is the low cost. At the price of ramirez i would say no way.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
Maybe....
That’s where it started but, Byrd/Cat for Gonzales is a f’n pipe dream. Injuries or not, Gonzales won’t come cheap. The latest Newberg Report actually says the asking price would be 2 top tier prospects. Why would Atlanta trade us their starting closer for our 4th or 5th outfielder?? I’m trying to be realistic. It’s not happening.
technically
gonzalez was their third option at best at closer behind rafael soriano and smoltz. They even tried a few other no name guys like boyer and acosta before they felt confident in gonzalez’s health (he might have been injured though). Soriano is and was their closer but has had bad health problems this year, have him on my fantasy team unfortunately.
I know the proposed trade is a pipe dream and I wouldnt trade two top tier prospects for him, let alone one with his injury history, I was just responding to the unexpected turn in conversation.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
at this point...
....i’m starting to believe that we aren’t going to do anything in the market this year… we only have a few commodities and it doesn’t look like we are really shopping them… cat, nellie, byrd and guardado should be shipped and i’m starting to think so should milton and vincente… but the closer it gets to the deadline the less and less possible i think ANY deal is… i think the edict has come down, “we will win next year, keep these guys around…”... which has nolan ryan sweat all over it…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
its way too early to think that
theres still plenty of time.. a lot of the deals dont even happen until the last couple days or right at the deadline..
there will be at least one deal, thats inevitable. probably a couple.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
[cross my fingers]
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
wilson
What if acquiring Gonzalez is a precursor to trading CJ Wilson?
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
Hypothetical
Do you trade the Murph for him?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
tough call
Who replaces Murphy? Boggs? Do you still try to trade Byrd? I think I would do it. Murphy is a 4th OFer. He can be replaced next spring.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
I think
if we see Murph to the Cardinals, Texas will call up JMJ put him in right and put Boggs in left.
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on Jul 23, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
4th Outfielder??
You must spend more time on message boards than you do watching games or looking at the numbers. Murphy is not a 4th OF. The guy is second in the AL Rookie of the Year race behind All-Star Evan Longoria. Murphy has been consistent at the plate and in the field since he was brought up last year. What more does he need to do to shake that label?
Murphy
is a nice defensive OF who doesn’t hit lefties well and has a VERY unimpressive walk rate with a little power. He may be the best 4th outfielder around, but he’s a 4th OF that probably needs a platoon partner. He’s been more than nice, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t better.
And to call him 2nd in the AL ROTY race is to wear homey blinders.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
yet ironically
today in his first two at bats against a lefty he walked and hit an rbi single, scoring both times.
I know he is not good against lefties, but you have to love the timing of your statement.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
i think its pretty close
and would do it if i were more confident in our OF depth.
weve given up on cruz, byrd isnt long term, bradley needs to stay at DH most of the time, boggs is ok but not exactly rock solid yet, JMJ has fallen off and is still highly questionable, etc….
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
OF depth
Moving forward from this year, our OF depth consists of Hambone and a bunch of question marks.
I’m higher on Boggs than most, but giving up 5 years of Murphy for a lefty reliever with huge injury issues just doesn’t seem to fit in with the plan. If we were going to move Murphy, I’d rather target a really talented A/AA starter than someone like Gonzalez.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
OF depth
I don’t think its as dire as you make it out to be. Hamilton is a lock we all know that. But then we have the trio of JMJ, Murphy, and Boggs who put together should make for a nice 3rd outfielder. If Murphy continues to develop, not saying he will, he would be one by himself. Then we have Borbon coming in about a year and he should be able to lock down one spot at least defensively. Plus the possibility of Bradley being able to play an above average OF if needed although I would like to just keep him as a DH.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Crazy talk
see tricer’s comment above. Spot on.
As for Cat: I can’t see him fetching anything of consequence. If he goes anywhere I believe it will be for that PTBNL that is never actually named. Complete salary dump. And I don’t really have a problem with that.
Byrd: Why wouldn’t you trade Byrd for Gonzalez? Does he really factor into your plans for next year at the ~ $2mm that it will take to keep him around?
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 23, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's put this to bed
The Braves aren’t trading Gonzalez, and they sure as hell aren’t trading him for someone like Marlon Byrd.
didnt they give up some1 pretty good to get gonzalez.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
the pirates first baseman
laroche, i think. i have never been a big fan. that was back when the pirates were being run by idiots.
some guy says gonzalez isnt going anywhere
http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/gonzo_not_on_braves_selling_li.html
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
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