Wednesday a.m. things
Yeah, that sucked last night. Luis Mendoza looked pretty good for a couple of innings, then things fell apart, apparently because of his inability to throw his breaking ball well. Bah.
Richard Durrett says the bigger concern right now is that the bats have gone silent since the break. Jeff Wilson suggests that getting Hank Blalock home in the second, after his leadoff triple, could have made the whole game different.
Brandon McCarthy and Gerald Laird each were apparently okay, health-wise, after their rehab outings last night in Oklahoma. Laird is supposed to be activated on Saturday, and Eric Hurley is supposed to be activated on Sunday. The DMN also says that the Dodgers and Mets each had a scout at the game last night.
Kevin Sherrington says the Rangers need better pitching to contend.
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US Cellular field here I come..
I’m off to watch our boys. I’ll send a little LSB love to Josh, Kins, CD and the other beasts.
GO RANGERS!!!!
Milly I have no choice but to nickname you "The Laborer".
Every time I see you on the mound you're laboring through the inning.
You sure as hell don't labor when you hear Dunkin Donuts is closing in
15 minutes, sat there with a chocolate eclair with 5 minutes to spare.
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Jul 23, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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ChiMuscleFag?
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
by TheBZA on
Jul 23, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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hes a globetrotter
NY, LAA, Texas, Chicago..
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 23, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Damn, you are lucky!
I loove Chicago, been there twice and had a blast both times. Great city! Unfortunately all my trips have been in the winter, so no baseball :( The closest I have gotten is driving by Wrigley Field on the way to dinner once. In the snow.
Hope you have a good time!
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Jul 23, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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thanks Doll..
Yeh I love Chicago it’s pretty amazing. Thankfully I left when the Rangers were ahead 8 to 4, so I didn’t leave Cellular field with a bad taste in my mouth. Of course I had to go have some stuffed pizza after the game, it would of been a sin to have left the city without having one of the things it’s famous for :) It’s a really nice stadium though, I was impressed – with beautiful views of downtown as you go down the ramps.
Milly I have no choice but to nickname you "The Laborer".
Every time I see you on the mound you're laboring through the inning.
You sure as hell don't labor when you hear Dunkin Donuts is closing in
15 minutes, sat there with a chocolate eclair with 5 minutes to spare.
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Jul 23, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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I'll be there August 14th...
sadly, it won’t be to watch them play the Rangers.
have a blast
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
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Jul 23, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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thanks Walter..
well you should go to Wrigley Field.. I’m considering going this weekend. It should be quite a treat.
Milly I have no choice but to nickname you "The Laborer".
Every time I see you on the mound you're laboring through the inning.
You sure as hell don't labor when you hear Dunkin Donuts is closing in
15 minutes, sat there with a chocolate eclair with 5 minutes to spare.
by LAMuscleFag on
Jul 23, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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been to Wrigley a few times.
LOVE it. wish they could bring the Ballpark to downtown dallas and do something like that…but it wouldn’t work, and they never will.
the Cubbies are out of town that weekend, so we have to settle for a Sox game, but I’ve never been to one so it’ll all work out
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
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Jul 23, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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Who knew
silverware was such a traveling medicine show?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Jul 23, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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hahaha
Some of my best accounts are here in Chicago and I’m always happy to come back, as long as it’s not the wintertime and the Rangers are in town :)
Milly I have no choice but to nickname you "The Laborer".
Every time I see you on the mound you're laboring through the inning.
You sure as hell don't labor when you hear Dunkin Donuts is closing in
15 minutes, sat there with a chocolate eclair with 5 minutes to spare.
by LAMuscleFag on
Jul 23, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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McCarthy
So is there any timetable for McCarthy to come back up? He hasn’t developed carpal tunnel yet, has he?
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Jul 23, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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No, bedsores...
going back on the 15 day DL.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
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Jul 23, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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ROFL ..good one!
Milly I have no choice but to nickname you "The Laborer".
Every time I see you on the mound you're laboring through the inning.
You sure as hell don't labor when you hear Dunkin Donuts is closing in
15 minutes, sat there with a chocolate eclair with 5 minutes to spare.
by LAMuscleFag on
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Probably around the 10th of August
I think the Rangers will not rush him. Option him to OKC when his 30 day rehab stint is up and bring him up around the 10th of next month
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 23, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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Mendoza
Does anybody (except tyd3111) really think that he can be an effective ML starter?
I sure don’t. The start before this one, he brought stuff to the mound that he has never had before. Every other time out he just gets abused. Last night in the middle innings was almost as bad as a pitcher can look.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Jul 23, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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Love your blog
And I think you are great at what you do, but your eye for pitching talent seems a little suspect.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Jul 23, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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How much of Mendoza have we seen to conclude either way?
A quarter of a season of suckiness? Lots of pitchers (even good ones, like Roy Halladay) suck when they first come up to the majors.
by jwiscarson on
Jul 23, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Well
I’d imagine that if you or I were to be thrown out there on the mound, you wouldn’t need much time to evaluate.
by brettgardner on
Jul 23, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Yeah
I doubt a 55 mph fastball (if we’re lucky) would impress anyone.
by jwiscarson on
Jul 23, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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ROFL
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Jul 23, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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Well
I’d have to be very lucky for that, but my only point was that sometimes you don’t need a lot of time to make a judgment call.
Not saying that particularly applies to Mendoza, just saying.
by brettgardner on
Jul 23, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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I totally agree.
I just don’t think 48 innings, given the flashes of brilliance we’ve seen, tell us anything.
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Jul 23, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Just say
You have an amazing changeup.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
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Jul 23, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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I am still optimistic as well
if only because, when he is on, he appears to have the capacity to dominate, whereas when a pitcher like Koronka was “on”, he seemed to constantly be on the edge of unraveling.
at the least, I think Mendoza can be a quality reliever for this team, and by that, I mean a legit 7th or 8th inning guy. But I am willing to give him starts for the rest of the season to allow him the chance to establish himself as a major league starter.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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I totally agree.
I’m not sure if he’s a quality starter or a quality reliever, but I think we should give him the rest of the season to find out, just like you said.
by jwiscarson on
Jul 23, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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but Mendoza was never any good in the minors
I’m all for giving young pitchers extended opportunities, and at this point we really don’t have anyone better qualified than Mendoza. But for a guy that was never very good in AA, skipped past AAA, then has gotten rocked every game he started this year, with one notable exception, just doesn’t give much cause to think that he will be a good ML starter. Hell, he was never a really good minor league starter – yet some think that all the sudden he has transformed himself into something that he is clearly not.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Jul 23, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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You have me there.
He had a marginally solid season with Frisco in 2007. He probably should be left down in AAA for a while, but is with the team this year based on a good spring training performance (unless my memory fails me).
The small sample size bites us in the ass once again.
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Jul 23, 2008 11:46 AM CDT
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AJM would tell you
that it was only last year he developed his curve or cutter or some pitch thats supposedly helping him.
but id say… a 4.0 era or whatever he had in AA for one year with poor rate stats hardly makes you a real prospect.
he has no command and only has good stuff when he happens to have all his pitches working. the sinker alone wont get you anywhere. his command + poor consistency with secondary pitches = bad pitcher.
but again, given our other options, i guess i dont have a problem with letting him go a few more times and seeing if he can find some consistency. but i would be shocked if hes in this rotation in may of 09.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
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Jul 23, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
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I disunderstand
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on
Jul 23, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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can you explain why?
I’m sure you have before, but I’m just amazed that you can hit it on the head with so many things, but not with this situation…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 23, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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you
should show some of that love to David Murphy.
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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I'm still with him
I just think he’s like Sampson and when he cut his hair it messed him over. He seems to be growing it again so…
In all seriousness he seems to have really good movement on his fastball and I think that it will click for him. I don’t think he’s felix or even padilla but I think he could be a decent starter at the end of the bench.
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Jul 23, 2008 1:50 PM CDT
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luis mendoza sucks.
he has to have both his curve working and better than usual control to succeed. i dont see that happening real often. of course, so far there is noone to replace him.
also not real excited about millwood today. hopefully he can get something going…
but on the brightside, its feliz day!
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
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Jul 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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yeah, at this point
I only really feel like the Rangers have a good chance to win when either Padilla, Feldman, or Hurley is on the mound.
Mendoza/Millwood on back to back days is a real beating.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Jul 23, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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"Kevin Sherrington says the Rangers need better pitching to contend."
I’m not sure where I would be with this sort of insight from the meida….
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 23, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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I decided to read the article anyway
and it really is that not bad. It ends with a quote from Daniels which I like. Does have the usual slams of Rangers pitching evaluation, but they are true to this point.
“I don’t think we’re necessarily contradicting the point Billy’s making,” Daniels said. “We are building something that’s going to last.“We’re not deluding ourselves into thinking we’re a finished product.”
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
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Jul 23, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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This team is done in 08
so I’m glad that’s their thought process.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 23, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Gosh I'm glad Kevin
straightened me out. I thought our pitching was great and we just needed a big left- handed bat. What a waste of ink.
by Jea103 on
Jul 23, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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"apparently because of his inability to throw his breaking ball well"
reminds me of Kam Loe
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on
Jul 23, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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Mendoza
Is at best a long-man in the bullpen.
I wonder what his stats are for the 2nd and 3rd time through the order. He has been murdered twice in the middle innings (once in NY and now in Chicago)
I am guessing Hurley will take Harrisons spot, so I guess we are stuck with mendoza until BMAc is ready…which after last night could be a month.
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Jul 23, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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hurley is taking feldmans spot
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 23, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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Three words
Prospect No. 15. Lets get him up here.
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Jul 23, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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forgot about that....
so we ar looking at a rotation going forward of Padilla, Millwood, Hurley, Harrison, Mendoza
JD will probably leave Harrison and mendoza in the rotation until Bmac is ready, and he takes the spot of the one struggling the most.
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Jul 23, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Nippert was having AAA success as a starter
Why not roll him out there in Mendoza’s spot. Some guys just have a hard time working out of the pen. Maybe he’s one. Couldn’t be much worse … could it?
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Jul 23, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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As Starter and As Reliever
Here you go boys and girls, the career stats for Mendoza as a starter and as a reliever, with his stats for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd times facing an opponent.
by Excel Hearts Choi on
Jul 23, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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inconclusive
just kidding. that is pretty damning. but we have nothing to lose running him out there a few more times. I still like him a lot more than Nippert or Lizard or any of our other VIABLE fallback options.
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Jul 23, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Forgot to mention...
that this is for only 16 career games.
by Excel Hearts Choi on
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I dunno, I mean
He’s had a few atrocious outings as a starter since returning from the DL, but how badly is that line affected by his early stuff, when he was injured but lied about it?
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Jul 23, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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the same as 3 of his last 4 "healthy" starts...
4 innings, 9 hits, 2 walks, 6 earned runs, 1 HR
1.1 innings, 9 hits, 2 walks, 8 earned runs, 3 HR
4.2 innings, only 4 hits, 2 walks, 1 HR, only 1 earned run BUT 6 runs. that was a “good start” for him. the other start was dominant I agree, giving up only 3 hits, 1 walk and 1 earned run through 6 innings.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
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Jul 23, 2008 11:46 AM CDT
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Point, game, set, match
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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Is that the same as "checkmate?"
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on
Jul 23, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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Yeah...
its a tennis thing.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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When did I say love?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Very nice
The 2nd PA slugging looks like it may be an aberration, considering the 3rd PA goes down to about .400 again. But the OBP trend is probably real.
I’m curious – what are other pitchers lines like? I doubt everyone goes from .713 to 1.052 – that seems pretty awful – but do they increase similarly? Would a guy like Hurley, who ramps it up as the game goes on, actually see a decrease?
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Jul 23, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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My guess
His 3rd PA SLG is lower because when he is sucking, he doesn’t make it to the third time through the order. When he’s on, he does make it to the third time through and you’ll notice the SLG is not very much higher than the first time through.
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Jul 23, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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good point
a little selection bias in there. I should have caught that myself…
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so basically
The first time, they don’t know what to make of him.
The second time, they have figured him out and hit the ball 10 miles.
The third they feel bad and just take a walk.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
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Jul 23, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Third time
I think it’s more likely that Mendoza only gets to see the lineup a third time when he has good stuff. If he doesn’t have it he won’t make it out of the fourth or fifth and that tends to lead to less players seeing him a third time.
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Dodgers apparently had a scout
to watch Hank Blalock. Anyone interested in Andy LaRoche?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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LaRoche
I just don’t know about that guy. His power seems to have all but dried up because of this lingering thumb injury. It is definitely a high risk/high reward play. He could break out next season in the Carlos Quentin mode if he overcomes his injury, and you have to love his eye at the plate. But if his power never comes back, he is a pretty weak bat at third.
I would need LaRoche plus someone like Meloan to consider the deal a success.
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nope i want pitchers in return hopefully about to hit AA or in AA
i dont want another position player till we have some sort of major league pitching stability. til then, sign me up for best pitchers i can get my hands on.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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the problem with that
is that a top tier offensive prospect (think laroche or salty) has as much value at the deadline as a middling pitching prospect. also, the dodgers don’t have much in the way of pitching these days. McDonald is an extreme flyball pitcher, Elbert is a huge injury scare, and Kershaw is untouchable. I personally think a package of Meloan and LaRoche is pretty good for Blalock, and LaRoche is the sort of player we could then flip to a team like the Twins.
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agreed that LaRoche
is a great prospect to flip. also agree that the Dodgers farm system is somewhat lacking in SP, with the exception of untouchable Kershaw. That’s why you do it.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 23, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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think about this
and this is completely hypothetical, but what if we got the above mentioned package of LaRoche and Meloan for Blalock, and then were able to flip LaRoche to the Twins for Newberg favorite Tyler Robertson? LaRoche may actually present more value to the Twins than Blalock because he is cheap and under control for a longer period of time. Meloan and Robertson would be a hell of a return for Blalock.
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Rosenthal
Rosenthal recently talked about the White Sox looking to trade Josh Fields for some help this season. Of course that means they would be getting rid of Crede’s long term replacement. So, they would need to sign Crede to an extension (Boras client I believe), or roll the dice with free agency. As you can see from the list below, there are slim pickings:
Third basemen
Casey Blake (35)
Hank Blalock (28) – $6.2MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Joe Crede (31)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Wes Helms (33) – $3.75MM club option for ‘09
Chipper Jones (37) – $8-11MM vesting option for ‘09
Dallas McPherson (27)
Getting LaRoche (not that this is even possible) could be valuable since he would be highly sought after. Then again, the Rangers could shop Blalock without trading for anybody.
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LaRoche
would be a nice acquisition, giving the Rangers options short term and long term. He could stick around and help the team in 2009, leaving Young at SS another year, then be dealt when Andrus is ready. Or, obviously, he could be dealt immediately or this offseason.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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Why do you want pitchers about to hit AA?
We have so many pitchers fitting that bill already.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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I would take a pitcher
in rookie ball if they think he has serious potential. legit pitching prospects on the brink of contributing to a major league team just don’t get traded at this time of year. when they do (garza, danks, abby sanchez) it is during the offseason for another good young player in the majors.
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if
we got Meloan in a deal by himself i’d be pretty happy.
The Eagle has landed....
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I'd consider converting him back to the bullpen
and having him replace Guardado (assuming we trade him)
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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*eventually
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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yeah
he could be a pretty dominant late inning guy
The Eagle has landed....
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It's been a while...
but I used to watch LaRoche at Grayson County College. He was an exciting player and a good SS.
With Hank’s injury situation, I’m not sure how we could pass on a deal for Laroche. And if the Dodgers were crazy enough to throw in Meloan – then it’s a no-brainer.
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
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Jul 23, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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"Dodgers and Mets each had a scout at the game last night"
That’s a shame. That means there are two fewer teams who’ll want any of our mediocre players…
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they weren't there to scout the whole team
they were there to scout individual players. for blalock, he had a triple and he looks to be healthy. did he need to hit 3 HRs to get their attention? the mets are probably scouting marlon byrd, and he didn’t do anything to hurt his value last night. i am very pleased that blalock and laird are both returning in just enough time to establish some value at the deadline, and i am pleased that padilla and guadardo have both looked solid of late as well. byrd and cat both are what they are, and neither will return a top tier prospect by themselves, but you never know what packages are being discussed.
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sounds like....
they were wanting to look at the following players:
Blalock
Eddie
Byrd
Bradley
by clinton33 on
Jul 23, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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i really hoped
Tampa Bay would come looking at Bradley, but that does not seem to have materialized. The Mets and Dodgers just don’t have the sort of players on their farm I would want for Bradley, unless they are willing to give up their top shelf guys.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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Bradley clearly
should be traded to an AL team so he can continue to mostly DH.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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it's "CLEAR"...
that Bradley should be traded?
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on
Jul 23, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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No
I mean it’s clear that if Bradley is traded, it will be an AL team who can DH him.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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ok....
i agree with that. i just hope JD and company are of the mindset that it better be a pretty sweet deal to ship off MB.
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on
Jul 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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trust me...
they are.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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Nelson Cruz
He could not have picked a better time to get red hot again. I am starting to think other teams are looking at him as a very viable option for a right handed bat in their outfield. and i am starting to think he can either garner a decent piece in return or be packaged (with Guardardo to the Cards?) for something of even greater value.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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trade...
Gudardo
Cruz
Arias
for
A.Reyes
J.Todd
by clinton33 on
Jul 23, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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the people who have seen todd pitch
all rave about him. i think i could do that deal without reyes and still be happy. but in truth, i have no idea what sort of value cruz and arias really have. it could be that we heard their names pop up because teams felt the rangers were nearly give them away to clear a spot on the 40
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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spot on 40*
in Arias’ case. We have little leverage with Cruz because he is a free agent at year’s end.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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Not true
we probably have more leverage. All we would have to do is add him to the 40 in say September and bring him up when rosters expand. then we could keep him all winter and through next spring and make a decision then.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 23, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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true.
but i think this team is over Nelson Cruz.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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Me too
But it would give us more time to find a team who may want him. Like at the end of next spring if a team has an injury and needs a right handed bat to start the season or something
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 23, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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very true...
We might have to replace arias with a more quality prospect.
Just from what I have read…it seems the cardinals powers that be do not really have faith in reyes….so we might be able to get him at a discount.
I would think they think pretty highly of Todd
by clinton33 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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if, at the end of the day
they offered reyes for cruz, would you take it?
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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gladly
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on
Jul 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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i guess i am just not sold on Reyes
he didn’t pass the Dave Duncan sniff test, and that scares me quite a bit.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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I'm saying at the end of the day...
if we’ve listened to all offers and haven’t heard anything better than Anthony Reyes for Cruz, I’d rather move him than let him walk in the offseason.
That’s a pretty easy decision right? Reyes has certainly disappointed so far in the majors (like Cruz), but give me an arm with upside over Nellie any day.
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on
Jul 23, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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Today's lineup is up:
2B Ian Kinsler
SS Michael Young
CF Josh Hamilton
DH Milton Bradley
RF Marlon Byrd
3B Hank Blalock
C Jarrod Saltalamacchia
1B Chris Davis
LF David Murphy
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on
Jul 23, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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rookie pitcher
So the Rangers draw a Rookie pitcher and he just happens to be left handed. So why not play Boggs again? Is it because they don’t want to sit Murphy two days in a row?
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on
Jul 23, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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I am completely prepared
for the deflating experience of watching this kid shut us down. he is the sort of middling lefty who we always struggle against.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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me too....
the rangers seem to struggle with rookie pitchers that we haven’t seen.
we all know they struggle against lefties.
I expect another 2 run or less game which would be 5 out of 6 after the break.
same ol Milwood will give up 4 to 5 runs.
we lose 6-1
by clinton33 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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maybe because boggs has been pretty bad lately, lefty or no.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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salty above davis?
has wash gone mad?
does he not realize davis has completely mashed lefties so far?
rather thats false or not, hes certainly better v them than salty, switch hitter or no.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 23, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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I wonder if it has to do with
Davis being young? They don’t want to put pressure on him to be in the heart of the lineup? Just trying to suggest something logical here.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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salty is almost as young and actually struggling.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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Inexperienced is a better word :)
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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not sure i'd call salty a veteran =)
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 23, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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never said he was :)
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:18 PM CDT
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I don't agree with the lineup order
I was just trying to think about a possible reason for it.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:18 PM CDT
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Wash
trying to find an order that could jump start the offense?
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 23, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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salty isnt struggling
he’s actually done pretty good over the last 2 or 3 weeks.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on
Jul 23, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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the last 3 weeks is essentially july
he has a .609 ops in july
hes been a little better in his past 3-5 games, but its a little early to say hes turning it around or anything.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 23, 2008 12:27 PM CDT
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he's not doin'
too bad, but he has stopped walking completely.
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 23, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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Davis
I like seeing him in the 8 hole no matter who is in front of him. It takes the pressure of being a run producer off him and lets him just focus on mashing the ball.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 23, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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Would a manager...
ever be encouraged by the front office to showcase certain players? Maybe it’s Ron’s way of making Hank, Salty and Byrd look good before the deadline.
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on
Jul 23, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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Oakland is up 2-0 on TB
I think we need to start rooting against TB so they make us a great offer for Bradley.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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on the contrary
i think their decision makers are already scared of going all in and then seeing the team flop. rumors swirled around TB when they were streaking, but not that they are falling off a bit, things have quieted down around them. i would like to see them win a few and give their GM a shot of confidence.
by clark on
Jul 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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You might have a point
I guess nobody knows how they will act because this situation is unprecedented for them.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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