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C-Wun and HUH?: Minors 7/23

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Kyle O'Campo struck out 4 in 4 innings of work, allowing 2 runs for the AZL Rangers who beat the AZL Cubs 10-4. 

Evan Reed will go for the Blaze at 9:00 and Lizard goes for OKC at 8:00.

Spokane will get under way at 8:30.  Not sure who is pitching that one.

The big guns are out for both Clinton and Frisco.

C-Wun and Clinton are just about to get under way.

Neftali goes at 7:00 for Frisco against Midland.

Edit: Here is the HUH? part.  Feliz was scheduled to start, but Parker is in the box score to start the game.  There is no audio on MILB from either side that I can get to work.  And Shroomer can't make it all better.

 

Not a bad night for minor league action considering two one of the Rangers top prospects are set to pitch.  I need something to get the taste of today's game out of my mouth.

 

Thanks to Shroomer as usual for the probables.

 

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a dominant Neftali

would go a long ways in helping get over today’s game. But with the Rangers, when it rains, it usually pours.

by clark on Jul 23, 2008 6:17 PM CDT   0 recs

C-Wun 1st Inning:

Walk, SB, botched bunt (runner out between 2nd and 3rd), sac bunt (runner to 2nd), groundout to 1st. No runs, 1 runner stranded.

-Beavan sounds wild. Threw one to the backstop and most of his balls were missing high. The announcer attributed his lack of control to the new over the head delivery that he has now gone to.

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:22 PM CDT   0 recs

i kinda like the delivery he had in HS

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 23, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why?

Because of the results? Have you seen him throw as a professional?

Give it a Name

by jparks77 on Jul 23, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you keep asking me if I have seen a player play

why?

I liked his delivery in HS because I kinda thought he was rather successful with it. This over the head business seems like they keep on tinkering with his delivery. Don’t see the reason for that…

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 23, 2008 6:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was just curious

why you made that statement about liking his HS delivery. You made it seem like you preferred his HS delivery to his current one. If that is the case, I was curious if you had seen his delivery as a professional.

He was successful with his HS delivery because he was facing high schoolers and not professional hitters. His delivery isn’t really that different as a professional. His arm angle is slightly different and he doesn’t have the injury risk recoil that he did in HS.

Pitchers in the lower levels of the minors often have their mechanics altered. A lot of it has to do with keeping their mechanics clean and trying to maximize their arsenal. WIth Beavan, his arm angle was probably changed to help with the downward plane on his two-seamer and with the develop of his change.

Give it a Name

by jparks77 on Jul 23, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Probably

because it would add validaty to your statement. If you only like it because of the result, your observation doesn’t hold much water. If there are particular aspects of his delivery that you saw and you liked and you could explain what you liked about it, that would be worth discussing.

A LOT of HS pitchers get very good results with awful deliveries. Especially, those that run it up there in the mid-90s. They don’t care if he can get hs hitters out, they want him to eventually get big league hitters out.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 23, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not

that i liked his high school delivery, but i’m always skepticle of a new delivery that results in significant velocity loss. and this org seems to have an obsession with arm angles.

by SteveP on Jul 23, 2008 7:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't disagree with that.

However, using the fact that he had success in high school as a rationale that he shouldn’t change his mechanics at all in pro ball, isn’t sound at all. That’s usually not sound going from high school to college, much less to low A ball.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 23, 2008 8:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We cannot judge Beavan's velo, delivery, etc. start by start

This is a long term project, and he’s going to have occasional roller coaster-like starts. The guys has been pretty damn good considering his delivery is in mid-tinkerment, just give it time and relax.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?

now i’m not relaxed because of an opinion i have?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 23, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just chose a comment at random to reply to

the general harumphing in all of the above posts, not picking on yours specifically.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2008 8:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

new, like since last game new...?

or new this year?

seems that last game and the start of this game are the only time walks or control have been a problem.

by tyd3311 on Jul 23, 2008 6:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what I was thinking but the radio guy

said it in the context that it was a recent change. He mentioned Beavan had excellent control all season and then walked 4 last game and was wild in the 1st inning of this game and said Adair and the Rangers had him working on a new delivery. Not sure really?

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder

if they are trying to get some of his lost velocity back

by tyd3311 on Jul 23, 2008 6:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

is the new delivery...

...the reason for the loss in velocity?

by oc on Jul 23, 2008 6:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahh shit

nothing like overhauling a 19 year old kid’s delivery twice in his first professional season. If they have completely switched his arm slot in the middle of the season, that is ridiculous. Hopefully this radio guy is just misinformed.

Reminds me of JMJ…if you don’t like a hitter’s swing or a pitcher’s delivery, DON’T DRAFT THEM IN THE MID FIRST ROUND.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 23, 2008 6:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he misspoke. He is now saying that Beavan

is starting to get his velocity back with his new (from the beginning of the year) delivery and is having some control issues with his new found velocity.

He has been 91-93 with th FB.

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So the control issues (in his opinion at least)

are a result of added velocity not another switch in delivery

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope. I don't know if the stadium they are in

even has a gun but he didn’t mention it in the 1st.

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Radio guy

just said the last pitch was 91.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 23, 2008 6:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's mentioned 3 fastballs at 91

just gave up an RBI double to RF

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

unearned run though

because of an error on Stoneburner

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unearned though

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 23, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dow Diamond only a year old

almost certainly has a gun

Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. -- Ben Stein

by Lucas on Jul 23, 2008 6:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beavan will be a bust.

Kiker will be a first-round reliever.

by oc on Jul 23, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No way..

Beavan won’t allow himself to be a bust.

by tyd3311 on Jul 23, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He has been dominant..

in his first year as a pro, right out of high school, with a new delivery, not to mention less velocity.

Which will hopefully slowly return.

by tyd3311 on Jul 23, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dominant?

I think that is overstating it a little. He’s done well. However, that K rate and HR rate is far from dominant for a 17th overall pick.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 23, 2008 6:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you got me..

Im looking at Earned Runs Allowed

by tyd3311 on Jul 23, 2008 7:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea

I don’t think there is reason to be concerned yet. I’m willing to drink the “new delivery” kool-aid now, but it also doesn’t get me very fired up for sure.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 23, 2008 7:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not fired up, yet

but I love the fact that he is learning how to pitch, so that if or when the velocity does return, he will just be scary.

by tyd3311 on Jul 23, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bakersfield Roster

Grant Gerrard has been DL’d and Tim Rodriguez is up from Spokane. Skipping Clinton is in vogue lately.

Texas Rangers Analyst

by Andy Seiler on Jul 23, 2008 6:29 PM CDT   0 recs

Clinton

They are trying to keep the Clinton roster intact (for the most part) for the second half playoff push.

Give it a Name

by jparks77 on Jul 23, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rosters

I just find it interesting that they’re willing to test pitchers like Roark and Tufts in the Cal League in July rather than worry about keeping rosters intact.

Texas Rangers Analyst

by Andy Seiler on Jul 23, 2008 6:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Though Roark

was quite impressive, on paper at least.

by tyd3311 on Jul 23, 2008 6:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

C-Wun

Can someone explain that one to me?

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jul 23, 2008 6:30 PM CDT   0 recs

Yes it is

Hopefully we can come up with something better by the time he gets to the majors in another organization.

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jul 23, 2008 7:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Heelz...

...we’re gonna be just fine.

by oc on Jul 23, 2008 7:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate nicknames

I’ll say again. And get off my lawn, damn kids.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so

is t ball your real name?

by bushe on Jul 24, 2008 8:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

names

so t ball is your real name?

by bushe on Jul 24, 2008 8:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

damn you internet!!!

you laggy bastard

by bushe on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No,

Laggy Bastard is my realname.

I didn’t say I hate usernames, I hate nicknames. I prefer to keep a small degree of anonymity here, I’m not a famous athlete whose name is widely known. And I picked the username, I didn’t let LSB bloggers decide what to call me. In every way possible, it’s different.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 24, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see

Who are the ad wizards who came up with that?

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jul 23, 2008 6:31 PM CDT   0 recs

I swear I hit reply

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jul 23, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably Brett, or Jon

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Jul 23, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

accompanied by

an annoying song.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2008 9:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No Feliz

Parker is the Frisco pitcher in the pre-game box. I don’t know why – no audio – I’m not at Shroom HQ, am on an alien computer.

Rangers Farm Probables

by shroomer on Jul 23, 2008 6:43 PM CDT   0 recs

Buzzkill

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

2-0 Great Lakes after 2 innings

Radio guy still talking about a new delivery like it just happened but then referencing the whole season as evidence of Beavan learning to deal with it and build back velocity. I think he must be talking about the original adjustments Beavan made as opposed to anything new.

Every time he has mentioned fastball speed it was 91 MPH and he has mentioned it a few times.

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Whole season

that is my assumption, not a 2nd change. We need to be careful parsing words of announcers.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Spokane starter

I had Swanson but he’s not on the roster anymore. Neil Ramirez could come back tonight, but it could just be a bullpen joint effort if he’s not quite ready yet.

Rangers Farm Probables

by shroomer on Jul 23, 2008 6:49 PM CDT   0 recs

no word on the Frisco game?

like you said there is no audio for it.

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

where'd swanson go?

and for that matter what the heck happened to kennil gomez? Is he injured?

by Hull Fan on Jul 23, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Swanson

Swanson is scheduled to start this weekend for Bakersfield if I remember correctly.

Texas Rangers Analyst

by Andy Seiler on Jul 23, 2008 6:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kennil Gomez

Thought he had a tired arm. Not sure.

by LiamP on Jul 23, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gomez

Injured. Shoulder.

Give it a Name

by jparks77 on Jul 23, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bad shoulder injured or just young and overworked shoulder?

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 23, 2008 8:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps a little of both.

Hopefully more of the tired/overworked variety. Skinny guys usually can’t get real deep on innings and still hold up.

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 23, 2008 9:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beavan is all over the place...

though he did just tune it up to 93 MPH

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 23, 2008 6:54 PM CDT   0 recs