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Good Neftali Feliz article

Thom Henninger has done a nice piece on Feliz for Baseball America. Here are a few excerpts:

"There are plenty of guys who can light up a radar gun," Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said. "There are two things that stand out with Neftali and how he does it. One is the ease with which he throws the ball with very little effort. Some big flame-throwing guys have very unsound mechanics in order to generate all that force behind the ball. It almost looks like Neftali is playing catch and the ball just explodes out of his hand.

"Secondly, a lot of guys who throw with that velocity can't command it. The pitch might be 97, 98 on the radar gun, but it's a foot out of the strike zone. When you actually have to throw a strike, it's much more hittable at 91, 92. Neftali has shown to this point that he's able to throw a strike with that velocity."

Then it was off to Clinton this spring. Feliz said LumberKings pitching coach Danny Clark had been instrumental in making his curveball better.

"Danny likes to work hard," Feliz said. "He likes to push pitchers. He said I had an OK curveball when I came here, but we have worked hard on it and I can throw it whenever I want now."

Clark said it was easy for Feliz to dominate Midwest League hitters with his fastball, so it was necessary to get the young prospect to call on his offspeed stuff more as the season progressed. In his last few weeks with Clinton, Feliz had to throw his curveball enough to meet a certain percentage of his overall pitch count.

Daniels said Feliz's promotion had little to do with his velocity. He noted that the prospect's overall command and changeup have been markedly better in 2008, and he's shown a much-improved curveball in many of his starts, making the entire package more effective.

"He really needed a new challenge," Daniels said. "He wasn't being challenged in that league, and we felt he was ready for the next step."

 

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So is this it?

The real, genuine, true top of the order pitcher?

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jul 24, 2008 3:44 PM CDT   0 recs

My fingers are crossed....

Please be an ace….please be an ace…..please be an ace…..please be an ace…...

by clinton33 on Jul 24, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I really think it could happen...

This kid is something special.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 25, 2008 5:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Workload

If we don’t overwork him.

by Andy Seiler on Jul 24, 2008 3:46 PM CDT   0 recs

Agree

Feliz is up to 99 innings on the year after only throwing 42 IP last season. I’d like to see Feliz work out of the pen for the rest of the year or shut-down completely.

by jparks77 on Jul 24, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'd rather

shut him down than pitch him outta the pen… 125 innings this year, 150 next year with maybe a late september call up… and 2010 be ready for 175+ inning year with the big club….

I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA

by ivysafety39 on Jul 24, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you can't

just look at innings pitched. these guys pretty much pitch year round whether it’s in games or not. when you say “shut down” do you mean not pick up a baseball for 6 months? I can’t think of a worse way to develop a pitcher.

by SteveP on Jul 24, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you can...

...shut someone down means stop him from pitching in games… long toss, and workouts are WAY different than games…

I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA

by ivysafety39 on Jul 24, 2008 5:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shut-down

from pitching in games this season. I’m aware that these guys throw year round.

by jparks77 on Jul 24, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

have you

conferred with Nolan?

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 24, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 24, 2008 3:55 PM CDT   0 recs

Let's hope he's reading from a script

written solely by his pitching scouts, because Daniel’s analysis and opinion of specific pitchers means less than nothing…based on history and facts.

I Stole The Red Finger !

by Clueless on Jul 24, 2008 3:58 PM CDT   0 recs

and your opinion

of Daniels means even less.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 24, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So all the bad moves are b.c. Daniels doesn't know what he's talking about

and the good moves are b.c. he finally listened to his scouts??

Did I pretty much get that?

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 24, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well he has got rid of john danks, chris young, edinson volquez, and armando galarraga

so it is highly unlikey he isnt traded away

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 24, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Again?

How many times do we have to hear this?

by Andy Seiler on Jul 24, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its true, daniels will trade him

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 24, 2008 5:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

who knows, frank thomas? chan ho? brett myers?

or he could go younger and get mccarthy’s brother? andy sonnastine?

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 24, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Replacement

Since JD is so bad, who should his replacement be?

by Andy Seiler on Jul 24, 2008 5:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Word of advice

Stop now. Only further head-scratching and eventual frustration will result.

It trips me out every time some guy whines about Volquez.

by LiamP on Jul 24, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

to be honest i dont think feliz will be traded

but im just fed up with all of the young pitchers we have let go

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 25, 2008 12:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

People really complain about Volquez and Chris Young?...

The only thing we really lost in that trade was Adrian Gonzalez…

Extreme flyball pitchers don’t succeed in Arlington. Chris Young wouldn’t have been any different. He’s a direct factor of playing in San Diego… Is anybody really surprised he had fallen back to Earth fairly quickly this year? No surprise his home/road splits are as drastic as they are…

Bitching about the Danks deal is 100% hindsight. He was traded for a more highly regarded pitcher without any history of injury. So how could Jon Daniels have predicted his arm was going to fall off?

by N41D on Jul 24, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think there are degrees on the Danks deal

I was against it, so I don’t think that it’s a matter of hindsight to criticize it – to a certain extent. But I don’t think that anyone, including those who were really, really against it, can claim to not be surprised by how quickly Danks has gotten really good or how McCarthy has hardly pitched and I’m not sure if he’s thrown one fully healthy pitch.

I think that it was an unnecessary deal, though, which is where most any frustration that I have over it comes from. There was no need to accelerate things, given where the team was, and Danks is left-handed.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Jul 24, 2008 5:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

then you should ask yourself....

what were the ChiSox thinking? Why would they trade a highly regarded, major league ready pitcher for one who was less thought of and a year away?

Not EVERYONE agrees with the assessment that BMac was, or would become, the better pitcher.

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 24, 2008 6:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nick Massett?

no…?

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 24, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You'd think...

That, and they didn’t have room for McCarthy in their rotation at the time, anyways…

by N41D on Jul 24, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nevermind...

Don’t know why I always recall this as a mid-season deal…

by N41D on Jul 24, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Adrian Gonzalez

That was why I was mad about that trade orginally. And you know who should be the most mad? Adrian Gonzalez himself. Had he stayed in Texas rather than the hitting abyss of San Diego, he’d be a triple crown contender (and people would have long forgotten Teixeira). Sadly, it was not to be…

The Chris Young for Eaton thing is like the Danks for McCarthy trade that Z points out here. Why try to rush things? When you have a decent starting pitcher arriving or on the horizon, there is no point in trying to double-down.

by JBImaknee on Jul 24, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Complain about Young?

Sure.

He was PERCEIVED as pretty valuable throughout the league, and he had good stats to back up that perception.

So, while it’s fine to trade him, you should get a lot more than 1 year of a pitcher who everyone thought had the POTENTIAL to be an ace but never did any BETTER than the starter you’re trading away. And to add on a 24-yo hitter who had mashed AAA in his previous 2 seasons….

Well, I think it’s perfectly legitimate to complain about that trade.

R

by Requiem on Jul 24, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Young Trade

Yep. I like Daniels, and while he’s had his share of bad deals, I could understand the reasoning behind most of them at the time. But the Young/Gonzalez/Eaton deal was the one that even at the time, I was going, “WTF?”

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jul 24, 2008 9:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another thing, Mr. Clueless

This is a funny comment considering Daniels traded FOR Feliz.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 24, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nolan

told him to do it

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Jul 24, 2008 5:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep

Nolan went back in time after he was hired and told him to get that guy. And to buy some great tasting sausage.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 24, 2008 5:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nolan's wisdom is such that

he foresaw events playing out like they did over the winter, spring and summer, and went to Hicks last July and advised that Daniels include Feliz so that they could get some pitchin in here.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Jul 24, 2008 5:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

okay

what was the point of that?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 24, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a joke

A surprising amount of people around here that I’ve interacted with think that Nolan’s common sense and wisdom (which I seriously do respect) make him almost infallible in decision making.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Jul 24, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good to hear they aren't letting him throw his fastball every pitch

hopefully he is here next year :)

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 24, 2008 3:59 PM CDT   0 recs

I just got

a little wet…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 24, 2008 5:10 PM CDT   0 recs

ewwwwww

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 24, 2008 6:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorta OT -- Didn't see this posted anywhere

Milton Bradley answered some questions for some dude at yahoo

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Answer-Man-Milton-Bradley-talks-labels-torn-AC;_ylt=AtmYtZHd3oNwvP9rwPk.e3mFCLcF?urn=mlb,95797

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 24, 2008 6:01 PM CDT   0 recs

OK I'll try this

http://tinyurl.com/5emqx7

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 24, 2008 6:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Neftali

did we ever find out why he didn’t pitch last night?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 24, 2008 6:43 PM CDT   0 recs

i haven't seen anything yet

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 24, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That sounds like a hope...

Is that what you heard, JP? thx

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 24, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

by who?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 24, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

John Mayberry Jr

I ran into him at the local GNC. I was buying vitamins and he was buying creatine. He told me that he can barely hit the ball out of the infield because he doesn’t have enough lean body rip. He looked like a slightly more athletic Shawn Bradley. I told him that I hated him and wished him a good day. :)

by jparks77 on Jul 24, 2008 7:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

but, seriously…who?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 24, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good news.

Thanks for the update, JP.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 24, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Radio announcer...

...led off last night’s game noting that Texas wanted to limit Feliz’s innings. No mention of when he would pitch again.

Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. -- Ben Stein

by Lucas on Jul 24, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Even if he's not

an ace, it sure sounds like at the least he could be a top-notch closer

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Jul 24, 2008 9:24 PM CDT   0 recs

closers are overvalued, ace is what feliz is

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 25, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand

and agree completely. This is why I think we should have tried harder to make CJ a starter. They have more value. My point was that if for some reason Feliz doesn’t turn into the ace of the rotation, his tools give him a good chance to develop into a strong closer in the mold of Rivera or K-Rod.

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Jul 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ya, CJ shows that closers are overvalued

he has an era of +5 and he is 23/26 in save oppurtunities. i dont think we should let anyone be developed into a reliever. make everyone try out starting and then if they are just not working out there then put ‘em in the pen. in my opinion anyone can be a decent closer and they are no more important than a 7th inning reliever.

i really realy hope feliz starts

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 25, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Neftali Feliz Video at CW33

Local TV news did a brief feature on Feliz – click on the 7/23 video
I’m guessing that’s Julio Borbon doing the translating.

by shroomer on Jul 25, 2008 12:15 AM CDT   0 recs

No matter how brief

the clip, shroomer will find it…thanks.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 25, 2008 12:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah definitely Borbon

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Jul 25, 2008 12:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 25, 2008 1:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow...cw33 did something worth watching!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 25, 2008 8:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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