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Saw this on Drudge....

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Also, here's a link to the radio feed

 

Here is a small excerpt from the article....Click the link for more.

FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.

And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now".

 

 

Do I believe there are other life forms in the universe?  Absolutely.  Do I think any have visited the Earth?  It's hard to believe that they have because to have the technology to get all the way to Earth, it would be almost inconceivable to think that they couldn't land their spaceship properly (but instead crashed).  Further, it seems far-fetched that they would not be adequately detected or documented by multiple civilians or the government would be able to cover it up for so long.

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A curious take

An old friend, who holds a PhD in Aerospace Engineering, owns a company in SoCal and Arizona that makes lighter than air devices for use in space. He may know as much about differences in atmospheric makeup, variations in gravity, etc as anyone on the planet. He has never written a treatise on the subject, but one night four years ago we talked over post-meal coffee at a get together in Indiana. When asked about alien life, including Roswell and the Siberian (conjectured) experience, he paused for a long while then said this. That Earth’s environment, including its’ chemical composition, might be just as toxic to life from elsewhere as a sea of nitric acid would be to humans. That “if” such beings have been here, there’s very good reason they don’t land and walk around. And that our sense of gravity and weightlessness may be a totally different algorithm than anyone else’s. “Anyone” in the intelligent life form sense. Further, that what we’d consider intelligent may be below the recognizable scale of some unspecified extraterrestrial entity. His fortune came from creation and application of polymers that are basically insensitive to pressure, temperature, atmosphere, or light. That’s why they work as either sails or brakes out in space. I couldn’t begin to understand how he and his teams came up with such stuff, but am convinced there is far, far more going on (and has been going on for a very long time) than we hear about, or even is rumored.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jul 25, 2008 2:53 AM CDT   0 recs

now what do i do.

ed doesnt just make shit up….

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 25, 2008 4:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For clarity

For those interested, this is the individual. He is a HS classmate. Asked me aside to discuss some projects my company did, and it led to those observations.

http://tdmod.com/MTBackground.htm

This is the company he ran prior to retiring and starting tdmod.com

http://www.lgarde.com/

Not made up.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jul 25, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe him

You don’t have to produce papers. Besides the other issues discussed, when you think of all of the things that had to go right for us to get to the point where we are in our development, the odds of intelligent life developing elsewhere, let alone developing the technology for space travel, let alone solving the problems of interstellar travel (and having the will, resources, and lack of philosophical and religious constraints on doing so), let alone finding our little needle in the cosmic haystack, seem…astronomical.

I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.

by Ajax68 on Jul 25, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

changes in gravity, atmosphere, etc.

that makes a lot of sense. Those organisms that grow at the bottom of the ocean in highly sulfuric (I think) water near earth’s crust vents on the ocean floor strike me as the kind of life you might find on Europa or a planet in another solar system. I also think that chances are good that somewhere in the mind-bendingly large universe there is intelligent life asking the same questions we are.

The problem I have with these kind of stories is the default “little people with big eyes” picture of aliens. Why does every story assume they look like that? I saw a study that claimed that babies with still-developing sight and some people on the edges of consciousness with limited sight view other people that way. I think this image is kind of burned somewhere in our subconscious and we pull it up when thinking about intelligent life elsewhere.

Also, most of us (subconsciously) would like aliens to be different—but not too different. Thus the hopeful picture of aliens as being smaller (I’m bigger than you!), with two eyes, something that passes for a nose, two arms and legs (fewer fingers mandatory) a mouth, etc.

It seems that the look and shape of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe would be dictated by the home planet’s gravity and atmosphere, and we are artificially limiting our imagining of them by assuming that their home planet would be about the same size and same chemical soup as earth.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 25, 2008 7:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

Thats kind of where they lost me. I always imagined aliens as a giant taco that crapped ice cream

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Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

we made

up our own image of Jesus(seen those portraits of him?), so of course we would create Alien images to fit out desires as well

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Every culture

makes its own god, which is really much more a reflection of the culture itself than of god.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 25, 2008 10:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

it just seems that turning jesus into a european-caucasian would stretch the outer limits. Most Gods never “lived” in the manner Jesus did so creating images the way you want them makes some sense, considering you have no reality in which to ground the images. But a person who actually lived? It seems his images would be steeped in early middle eastern judaism.

I believe if portraits of Jesus reflected his roots there would be less white Christians in America…there arent too many white muslims, and amazingly muhammad is not portrayed as a white man.

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 11:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In that case...

all the crackers should be worshiping Thor and Odin, because they sure as shit were white.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 25, 2008 11:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe so....

or we could just make Jesus white…..

It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 11:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All the white people I know...

are druids because the earth goddess is white as a motherfucker.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 26, 2008 12:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

your missing my point

white people don’t have to look for these ancillary gods you speak of because their God is already white.

I’m only suggesting that if portraits of Jesus looked more like Osama bin Laden there would be a lot less white Christains. Do you believe white America would worship a black or brown God? I happen to think not. And while God doesn’t have a “color” per se, Jesus certainly did, and it wasn’t white….

It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 26, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt it.

eom.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 26, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.....

White people can’t possibly follow a person of color.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

by bdavison94 on Jul 27, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

voting

for a president and serving a God are two very different things.

and Barack is half white, no?

It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 27, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not going to get

dragged into this. Your argument is pretty ridiculous. The simple fact is that there are Christians all over the world of all races (African, Indian, American Indian, South and Central American, Korean, Vietnamese, etc). They all were brought into the religion long after the image of the “white Jesus” was the standard.

by bdavison94 on Jul 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I

agree that other races don’t have a problem serving and following white men. They’ve been forced to do it through much of history.

My argument is that the white man struggles with the notion of following or serving a person of color.

Why aren’t there many white Muslims, Buddhist, etc? There are wayyyy more middle eastern christians than white american muslims?

There’s either some inherent racism involved or you could argue that Christianity is the ONE true religion thus leading to its many followers of different races. I just happen to believe its the former rather than the latter.

Keep the faith in whitey…..

It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 27, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow....

That’s really all I can say to that.

Don’t take my silence on this to mean that I find your argument in any way correct. I don’t. I just don’t bother to debate with people that I think are that far removed from reality.

by bdavison94 on Jul 28, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're focusing too much

on the popular paintings of Jesus. I’m talking about a much broader culture/religion viewpoint. I am not really meaning to point out the visual image of god, but the nature of god and creation as viewed from culture to culture. A painting is just one small part of that.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 26, 2008 12:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with red shoe X....

I decided not to be Hindu because Krishna looked too “ethnic.” Before they were Americanized, the dirty Irish had blue skin, too.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 26, 2008 1:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So you worship...

Sean Patrick Flanery from the movie “Powder” right Ben?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 26, 2008 1:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I worship...

Jesus, but I worship a Jesus that looks like post-motorcycle accident Gary Busey (see http://youtube.com/watch?v=I4kA-sFShL4 )

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 26, 2008 2:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn...

That is one pasty-ass trashed looking Gary Busey. Not sure he could be any other way though.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 26, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

a couple buddy's who hunt every stinking weekend out near stephevilee

swear to god they have seen lights and UFO activity out west, and the craziest part is that these guys i really trust, its not like they just eat 10 hits of acid and make a bunch of shit up.

i dunno what to think, but im glad they are rangers supporters.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 25, 2008 4:01 AM CDT   0 recs

The response the experts usually give

is something like ” I know you aren’t making this up and I know you think you saw lights and a UFO, but it actually was __”.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha yeah

i dont know how many times i’ve heard that

by slash on Jul 25, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh oh!

I have a feeling that in a few days we’ll hear that Dr. Mitchell either was in a fatal car crash or had a heart attack…or he may simply disappear. :-)

by Ajax68 on Jul 25, 2008 4:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Does anyone else find it strange...

That this comes out on the eve of the premeire of the new X-files movie? Awfully convenient timing…

A Lonestar in California

by lonestarJon on Jul 25, 2008 4:45 AM CDT   0 recs

Great...

Another conspiracy theory.

by Ajax68 on Jul 25, 2008 5:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yah

Thought that, too.

It’s not easy to promote a movie in the middle of summer.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 25, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just don't see

it being possible to travel star to star, unless our knowledge of physics changes so that mass can move faster than the speed of light. It’s always possible that relativity is just an approximation of the laws of physics, just as Newtonian physics were, and there are methods to move mass faster than the speed of light, but its just as possible that the speed of light is the universes absolute speed limit.

If the speed of light it is the universal speed limit, I just don’t see it being feasible to go hopping from star to star due to the vast distances.

I do believe that the universe is probably populated with other intelligent beings though. Under that much time and space, it’d be unlikely if anything else didn’t evolve.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 25, 2008 5:57 AM CDT   0 recs

It's been proven

that either the speed of light IS NOT the universal speed limit OR at one time it was not, but now is

by texasraider on Jul 25, 2008 6:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but I'm not sure you can use inflation

for space travel.

Then again, who knows.

Although if it is possible, it is almost likely that some intelligent life somewhere has a million or so years headstart on us technologically.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 25, 2008 6:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It has?

Things can move faster than the speed of light if traveling at all times, but it takes an infinite amount of energy to accelerate to it.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 6:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He is talking about inflation which occured right after the Big Bang.

The current theory to account for the relatively uniform nature of background radiation is there was an early phase where the cosmos grew faster than the speed of light. It is just a theory, I’m not sure it has been proven though. I’m sure theories of early cosmology will continue to change. That’s pretty cutting edge physics stuff, and none of it is cast in concrete yet.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 25, 2008 8:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm aware of what he was talking about.

But it’s missing the point. When viewed from a distance, objects, including the universe itself, could appear to be moving faster than the speed of light, but locally, it cannot.

So, it’s certainly never been “proven” that the speed of light is not the “universal speed limit” if you measure that in terms of acceleration from a relative perspective. Unless somebody disproved special relativity while I was sleeping.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 8:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well true,

it can’t be proven, because NOTHING in science is “proven.”

So, he did overstate the theory.

by Requiem on Jul 25, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn......

commercial begin:

Brett Gardner – the world’s most intelligent man…..

He doesn’t normally commune with commoners, but when he does he makes sure its on LSB.

.......roll credits

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 9:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Yeah, for now, I’m just imparting my intelligence.

Someday, when I get older and crankier, I can make shitty business decisions and then solicit attorney help on a baseball blog. Mmm, that’ll be the day.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 10:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you've

called me old two days in a row?

fwiw – I’m the ripe old age of 31 with a measly little BA degree from Texas Tech.

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 10:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Older than me.

Though we do share a Tech degree.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 10:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope

the commonalities end there…....:-)

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 10:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ironny

thick in here.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 26, 2008 1:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep your ass is old...

I can say that because I just turned 30.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 26, 2008 1:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i turn 30 on Wendesday

not very happy about it, but what can ya do?

by laxtonto on Jul 26, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

It sucks. At least before I could still say I was in my 20’s.

I remember when 30 sounded old to me too…ugh.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 26, 2008 9:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

turning 30

beats the alternative.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 26, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

baseball blog

and “all that that implies”

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why assume

that we know everything there is to know about relativity and the speed of light? Really, really smart people have been wrong all throughout history, some just slightly less wrong than everyone else. I think assuming we know everything there is to know about a subject that is so far beyond our current testing capabilities is silly, just know that we know more now than we did in 1904.

by bushe on Jul 25, 2008 8:36 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

"The Physics of Star Trek"

Recently I was listening to the physicist who wrote that book (I’ve forgotten his name), and he addressed that very point. Addressing the impossibility of things like using wormholes and bending space (warp drive), he said, “The fact that we don’t know everything doesn’t mean that we don’t know anything.” He went on to say, as I recall, that bending space would require the energy of an entire galaxy. You could look at that two ways: (1) “So you’re saying there’s a chance…” or (2) “Harnessing the energy of an entire galaxy? No f*ing way!”

I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.

by Ajax68 on Jul 25, 2008 8:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That quote

Captures the situation pretty perfectly, I’d say.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't assume we know everything

I do assume we know some things though.

I think there is a better chance that our current view of the speed of light and mass is a close enough approximation to the truth than there is of faster than light mass travel.

So, I think there is probably at least a 99% chance you can’t go faster than the speed of light, but I do make allowances for the 1% loophole somewhere that we haven’t discovered yet.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 25, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Drake equation...

depending on your chosen parameters, can be illuminating. But, I agree, thinking that they can travel between stars seems rather unlikely.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 25, 2008 8:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Drake

Is questionable science.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry

That should be:

“questionably science”.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think so.

The equation allows you to assign your own probabilities. The concept behind the equation is not really questionable, but the probabilities people assign can be.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But

It’s useless because it’s untestable.

You might as well just say that it’s possible that life exists elsewhere.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That doesn't make it bad science.

eom.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK...

To me, it does. An equation that could never be tested and has no parameters is meaningless. Like Cahill said, it’s essentially basic stats.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 9:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Basic statistics = sound science.

eom.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 25, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Not if it’s attempting to explain anything.

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It provides a framework...

to estimate the number of intelligent civilizations given certain assumptions. That’s all it was supposed to do.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jul 25, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Drake is basic statistics

It’s basicly the old, “The chance of winning a Lottery are astronomical, but because so many people play, there are lottery winners all the time”.

Even low percentage shots hit regularly as long as you take enough shots. Basicly the Jamal Crawford approach to stats.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 25, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I concur

Drake is not science but statistics.

That doesn’t mean it cannot be illuminating which was Ben’s original point, I think.

by Requiem on Jul 25, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

or

antoine walker

It's easy to lie with stats, its even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Jul 25, 2008 10:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they are in the same situation as the Dominicans...

...and therefore some Michael Inoa-esque negotiations and bonuses would be required.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Jul 25, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see it now....

The Yankees sign x%x^& (write that on your checks)

He throws a fastball between 120 and 125 mph…..

by clinton33 on Jul 25, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up