Indians/Dodgers Trade - Blalock's Value?
by ivysafety39 on Jul 26, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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PrintSo it looks like the Indians are sending Casey Blake and "cash" to the Dodgers for Jon Meloan and A League catching prospect Carlos Santana.
Santana is hitting .323, with 14 homers, for Inland Empire, in the Class A California League. The hard-throwing Meloan is 5-10, with a 4.97 ERA, at Triple-A Las Vegas -- but has piled up 335 strikeouts in only 262 innings in his minor league career.
The Dodgers were listed as one of the potential suitors for Hank Blalock, so thats one less destination, which isn't great, but I think the return of Meloan and an above average position prospect is pretty good return for Blake who is a free agent at the end of the year. The Indians will be paying a chunk of his salary, which I'm sure is a big part of it. I guess the questions are: Would we have taken Meloan and B level prospect for Hank? What does this equate to from Minnesota, the supposed big suitors of Hank? Is Hank more, or less, valuable thank Casey Blake for the rest of the season?
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oh, and about blake...
.... blake this year:
“Blake, who can be a free agent after this season, was batting .289 for the Indians, with 11 homers, 58 RBIs and a .398 average with runners in scoring position.”
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Minnesota equivalent
Brian Bass and Ben Revere?
They won’t offer Revere, but Santana’s a nice positional prospect.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 26, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
No
Meloan looks like a nice reliever but with Hank not only having a very reasonable option for next year but also being young and the fact we don’t have any top young player to take his spot next year we should hold out for a top prospect.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Us not having a top positional
prospect to take Hank’s place will have nothing to do with what other teams are willing to offer for him.
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on Jul 26, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I know
But thats why we shouldn’t just take any offer. The combo of his contract and his age should bring back a decent prospect to begin with. But the fact we don’t have to trade him means they better up that offer to a top notch prospect to pry him away from us.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
i think you're forgetting that he's been hurt a lot
59 games last year, just 29 this year. But, we should expect more than a solid pitching prospect and a solid positional player prospect?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
Starting pitching prospect
Thats what I want to give up the only legit 3B in my organization
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
And not done very well
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
with the way he k's people
if his control get’s even just a little better, he’s going to be pretty good…
So, what kind of starting pitching prospect are you expecting for Hank?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
Not sure about names
But a #3/4 potential guy is what I would ask for. If we had a young guy to step in and play 3B then the price would go lower but as of now its a #3/4
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
wha??
If we had a young guy to step in and play 3B then the price would go lower
That’s not a good way to look at things. What 3/4 guy you thinking of? Meloan seems like one of those type of guys.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
Meloan
He looks like a good bullpen guy to me. This is his first year to be a starter. Hes been really good in the minors as a reliever. I just don’t feel like we should settle on a bullpen arm for Hank.
Again I don’t know about names right now that would require a bit more research than I am up for at this time. But if Meloan stay as a starter I see him as a fringe #5 guy like a Feldman or Mathis. I think we can get a step up from that for Hank
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Hank's injuries
You have to put his injuries into perspective. I don’t believe Thoracic Outlet Syndrome and Carpel Tunnel Syndrome are chronic injuries. He didn’t miss all of those game due to hamstrings, tendenitis, arm problems, etc. I think his value is greater then many percieve it to be.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
id just as soon not move hank
im not convinced we are moving young this offseason, and if we arnt we still need a 3b.
that sounds like an ok a couple months of blake, but Id rather just keep hank.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
what makes you think
that Hank will be able to play third base for half the games next year anyways?
by blueballlefty on Jul 26, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Hope springs eternal
especially when a contract year is involved.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but the hope the contract year inspires in the plebes is very real
And, don’t call me Shirley.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
with...
....elvis being eta 2010, and young needing to move to 3rd… doesn’t that mean that hanks time here is limited anyway… next year is basically it for him… so trade him this year, or trade him next year… eitherway looks like he’s going to be traded because he’s got no where to play… why not trade him now while his option leaves the other team with options and most likely more value in return for us?
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Dammit!
I would hope the Rangers were in on this…or used this deal as leverage with another team.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Well...
This means Cleveland could use a third baseman… and with V-Mart and Hafner down, they could use a power boost… maybe we could do some kind of deal involvling Blalock and Jeremy Sowers?
Indians
They’re 13 out in the Central and 13.5 out in the Wild Card. I don’t think they’re going to trade for anyone this year. They’re more likely to try and dump some salary and play for next year.
PTBNL
The Rangers should consider doing a deal where they get two prospects, one now and one later, the latter being based on Hank’s production the rest of the year..
good Hank, choose from group A.
bad Hank, choose from group B.
Is that allowed in baseball?
I really doubt it, and even so, it’d seem very complicated.
In fact I’m almost sure that wouldn’t be allowed.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I don’t think so.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
PTBNL
The only rule is that a PTBNL must be named in six months, and that they must not have been on a Major League roster during that time period. A list must be agreed to beforehand from which the team can pick a player.
How should they have been in on it?
Dodgers obviously like Blake better, or they’d have traded for Blalock.
by Baider on Jul 26, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously?
That’s a huge assumption there.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Perhaps but
why would they trade for their 2nd choice with 5 days left before the deadline?
by Baider on Jul 26, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers
wanted a better pitcher than Meloan…wanted 2 pitchers in the deal…already have enough catchers…couldn’t agree on the prospects???
There’s an infinite number of reasons why.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Lower price in terms of prospects?
Cleveland willing to pick Blake’s salary?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
done deal
Update 1:23 p.m.: The AP is reporting the deal is done pending approval by the commissioner’s office.—
mlbtraderumors
i remember when people would bash that website. now, everyone is linking it..
They’ve done a great job for a long time, glad they are around…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
they deserved to be bashed several years ago
there were examples of people on message boards sending in random fake rumors and them being posted on the site. it was a highly questionable site.
however theyve since become much better and relied mostly on finding real links and being very quick.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
no, they didn't.
but they did post rumors from radio show hosts…not sure what’s wrong with that though.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
Radio
Because usually radio show hosts aren’t as connected to actual front office people. Beat writers and other baseball writers are usually much more reliable.
yes, they did
there was a thread on the espn general board where someone said they were going to send a fake rumor of X for Y to mlb trade rumros and see if it would get on. 2 hours later, its there.
but uh.. thanks.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
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