Red Sox might trade/release Manny

by Coolbean04 on Jul 26, 2008 2:07 PM CDT

If the Red Sox decide to put Manny on waivers, should we put a claim on him?

This is also coming from mlbtraderumors.com.

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this has Milton Bradley written all over it.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 26, 2008 2:11 PM CDT 0 recs

Im sure we wouldn't be the only ones

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 26, 2008 2:12 PM CDT 0 recs

This happens every year

I don’t know why, because Manny is still the best player on that team. Whatever.

by JBImaknee on Jul 26, 2008 2:12 PM CDT 0 recs

maybe because

he is a huge knucklehead

by blueballlefty on Jul 26, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

maybe so

but he’s still one of the best players from the past 15 years.

I just don’t get the Manny Ramirez hate. I’ll accept the occasional lapse in attention in left field for his bat any day.

by JBImaknee on Jul 26, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

Forget LF

The flying spaghetti monster created Manny Ramirez to be a DH.

He’d look oh so freaking good as our DH next year…

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by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

I would love that

I’m not getting my hopes up. But maybe they do a Milton for Manny deal, and eat 25% of his salary. Nice to dream about at least…

by JBImaknee on Jul 26, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

I wouldn't do Milton for Manny

I love Milton, and the team seems to love him too. Plus at this point there bats aren’t all that different. Just seems like a ton of work and risk for what is essentially a lateral move for this year.

But if Manny hits the FA market this winter, I’d be all over that shit with a two year offer.

Kinsler-Face-Hambone-MOB-ManRam-CD is a ridiculous first 6. I tried to do a rough calculation of how many runs that lineup might score, and I came up with 10,000. Although that might be a little low.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

Why would we want manny

he’s a free agent after this year.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 26, 2008 2:17 PM CDT 0 recs

Free Agency

We’d have to pay out his salary for the year, but losing a Type A free agent is still worth two draft picks. Not to mention he’ll put more people in the seats for a little while.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Chances

That doesn’t mean I think they’ll do it though.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

No way we pay Manny $20 mil

I’ve never thought the Rangers would be players in the Sabathia sweepstakes but more likely the Sheets one. However if we have $20 mil to throw around I’d much rather up our offer to Sabathia by $20 mil instead of getting Ramirez for a few months.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 26, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

we have 40 million to throw around

there is no reason we cant have a $100 mil+ payroll.

by tyd3311 on Jul 26, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

It's all about allocation

I’d rather spend that extra money on getting CC or Sheets. Until we get a legit ace on this rotation we won’t win anything…

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 26, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

thats 20 to C.C. or Sheets and 20 to manny

by tyd3311 on Jul 26, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

there's no reason we should even stop there

if we’re spending the money on pitching, then i don’t understand why we have to stop there….....hicks has shown the ability to spend that type of money, hopefully JD would spend it right

by slash on Jul 27, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

he has

20 mil team option

by tyd3311 on Jul 26, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

Umm

Because he has a 20 million team option for next year. We wouldn’t have to give up anything if we got him on a waiver claim. And if we let him walk we would get 2 draft picks. I think two months and whatever the prorated portion we would have to pay would be worth it.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 26, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

If it is prorated

the Yankees would try to claim him obviously

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 26, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah

Like I said I don’t think we’d be the only ones to put a claim on him

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 26, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

Of course it's prorated

You really think a team claiming a player has to go back and pay the guy’s salary for the part of the season he’s already spent playing for someone else?

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by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

We wouldn't get two picks (I believe)

I don’t think you get picks if you decline a team option.

by cstorm15 on Jul 26, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sure you do

As long as you offer him arb after you decline the option.

Some contract prohibit you from doing so, but unless it’s specified, you can do it.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

You can offer arbitration after declining an option?

All this studying is pushing out my baseball knowledge.

by cstorm15 on Jul 26, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yes

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

he could accept the arb....

but that seems unlikely

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by tdi1985 on Jul 26, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

even if he doesn't accept it

the team that offers it still gets draft pick comp.

by chrisR on Jul 27, 2008 1:35 AM CDT up 0 recs

Arbitration

If you offer him arbitration, you get the picks. Options don’t matter in that respect.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

Barry Bonds in Boston?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 26, 2008 2:25 PM CDT 0 recs

This lineup would be fun to watch

I obviously would rather spend 20M on CC or Sheets but how crazy would this lineup be?

Kinsler – 2B – R
Young – SS – R
Hamilton – CF – L
Manny – RF – R
Bradley – DH – S
Blalock – 3B – L
Davis – 1B – L
Salty – C – S
Murphy – LF – L

by Coolbean04 on Jul 26, 2008 2:31 PM CDT 0 recs

That would be crazy...

...in no small part because you have Manny playing RF.

He’s a DH. No point in having both him and Bradley.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 26, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

lol that would be fun to watch

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 26, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

What if you believe Milton is healthy enough to play RF next year?

Making Manny the full-time DH…

That lineup is KILLER.

by N41D on Jul 26, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

It would also be absoltuely comical

Defensively.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739

by BudLight on Jul 26, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

$20 Million

We only have to spend the prorated portion (about a third of $20 million), and his options for 2009 and 2010 have no buyouts, so there’s no expense there. Spend the little extra money now, take the extra ticket revenue and the draft picks, and call it a night.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 2:37 PM CDT 0 recs

draft picks

Do you get the draft picks if you don’t pick up his options?

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by RangerMad on Jul 26, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

yep

as long as you offer arbitration

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 26, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

...and he rejects it

which, to me, doesnt seem like it would be a lock.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 26, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

FA

I would imagine Manny thinks he can get at least 20 million if not more on the FA market

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 26, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

maybe

im way undervaluing him, but his proudction has been declining the last two years. he is still one of the best mashers in the game but considering his lackluster, uninspired defense and anti-team ethic im not sure he fetches that big of a deal. but i strongly doubt manny does anything less than overvalue himself so he probably tries to get a deal. plus i dont think hed want to play in texas.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 26, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

If that's your plan, why not just take the 5 or 6million you'd have spent on him

and spend it going overslot to buy talented players later on in the draft and on a couple of LA bonus babies instead of spending a ton of dollars to get a couple of draft picks?

Seems like a better bet to me.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah

I don’t really understand going through all that trouble when we can just spend a ton of money signing Harold Martinez this year and going after more guys dropping because of salary demands in next year’s draft. Or just have an open message to all potential LA signings that the Rangers are going to offer you the most money so don’t sign before the starting date for less money

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by Gdawg1 on Jul 27, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up 0 recs

This is so dumb

It’s just not going to happen.

I mean, it’s just not.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 26, 2008 2:41 PM CDT 0 recs

I Agree

It’s not going to happen, but it’s one of those interesting things that only Major League rules can create.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

Absolutely not going to happen

Entire story dreamed up by Dan Shaughnessy, looking to stir the pot and get himself on Sports Center and Baseball Tonight.

by sggut95 on Jul 26, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

Didn't the Sox

Pass Manny through waivers a few years back?

by Keynes on Jul 26, 2008 3:08 PM CDT 0 recs

Yes

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

Manny

He’s a 10/5 guy. He can veto a trade. And if the BoSox put him on waivers, and someone claims him, he can block going there.

So it is moot.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 26, 2008 3:20 PM CDT 0 recs

Unlikely

The Sox would waive him, since either the Rays or Yankees could pick him up, and it’s a tight division race. The only possible, though still unlikely, scenario would be a trade to the NL, since it wouldn’t hurt the Red Sox’s chances in the AL East.

by sggut95 on Jul 26, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

Manny

He can still block a move to any of those teams, and if one of those teams claim him, the Sox can always pull him off waivers.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep...

Him gettin nabbed off waivers by New York or Tampa wouldn’t stop the Sox from trying…

by N41D on Jul 26, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

Can only pull back waivers in August

for purposes of a trade – not outright waivers.

by Baider on Jul 26, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

Waivers

They would be putting him on revocable waivers.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

Waiver Priority

Teams with the worst records have priority for the post-trading deadline waiver period, anyway. Someone that’s worse than New York and Tampa Bay would likely try and claim him.

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by Andy Seiler on Jul 26, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up 0 recs