Beau Jones' Frisco debut
He was 90-93 with his fastball (mostly). Spotted it fairly well. Fell behind a couple hitters with several near misses in a row. He's got a good downward plane with it and has, on average, 2-3 inches of arm-side run on it.
His curve is an excellent AA pitch. After one outing and only about 6 or 7 chances to see the pitch, it's hard to really give it a major league grade. Conservatively, I'd give it a 55, but it's probably a little better than that.
His change is another excellent AA pitch. The last batter he faced saw CH, CH, CH, FB, CH, FB, FB, and the best he could do with it was foul it off. Tonight it was only about 6-8 MPH slower than the FB, but it had excellent fade and sink. Again, having only seen a few of them, I'd give it a conservative 55 even though I like his curve more.
OTHER NOTES:
- didn't seem nervous outside of a wild pitch against his first batter
- first strikeout featured a flying bat (not the mammal); an off-speed pitch (i blinked, but guess it was a CH) had the right-handed batter so far out front that when reaching for the ball, the bat slipped from his hands; it wound up landing in the camera well past the first-base dugout.
Tonight, he showed solid command of three very solid pitches. I am aware of his struggles as a starter, but I do not think he's had his last chance in a rotation.
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ive come to really enjoy your incite
thanks for the review. i have a feeling he might be our 2010 model CJ Wilson Model.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Jul 27, 2008 3:07 AM CDT 0 recs
For fun...
Will Inman. The RoughRiders struggled to make solid contact against him tonight, but the kid just doesn’t look like a starter. He gives new definition to “drop and drive”, and there’s something about his arm load that doesn’t sit right with me.
So far, though, his body has held together despite its inefficiencies and he’s put up very good minor league numbers. Time will tell, but if it was my money, I’d find somewhere else to invest it.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 27, 2008 3:18 AM CDT 0 recs
Stuff
doesn’t seem that great either
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 27, 2008 2:09 PM CDT
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If I see him again this year...
I’m gonna try to get a much better look at his stuff. I just don’t understand why his prospect status is what it is.
by NoNameOnCard on
Jul 27, 2008 3:01 PM CDT
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Thanks for the report
I’m assuming when you say “excellent AA pitch” that you don’t mean it will get hitters out at this level but not higher?
I agree about giving him another opportunity to start, especially with a repertoire that gives him a decent mix of ok pitches.
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by t ball on Jul 27, 2008 6:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Not really.
Before last night, I’d never seen him or his stuff before. I was impressed with all three of his pitches, but I’ve only seen him throw against 1 team, 1 time through the order. Hard to judge anything by such a small sample size. I gave both off-speed pitches conservative grades of 55 which translates to ‘slightly above major league average’. After a few more looks, I’ll have a better idea of how his stuff will play at the next level(s).
by NoNameOnCard on
Jul 27, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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Thanks, NNOC
Your scouting reports are fantastic. Hopefully, you won’t mind a few follow-up questions.
(1) Consistent with your report, Jones’ stuff has always been reported to be above average. His limitation has been his control. His walk rate has improved dramatically since he’s been with the Rangers. Did you note anything in Jones’ delivery/release point that suggest that his control problems will likely return?
(2) I agree with you that a power lefty with three above average pitches should be given every opportunity to develop into a starter. In Jones’ four starts in Bakersfield, it appears that he dominated his first inning or two and then started to get a bit wild. Did you see anything last night that would suggest that Jones might have endurance issues that could limit his effectiveness as a starter?
(3) One red flag with Jones’ record this year is that he appears to give up most of his walks when he’s pitching with runners on base. With his line, Jones obviously didn’t spend a lot of time last night pitching from the stretch but did you happen to note whether he had trouble concentrating on the hitter when he did have a runner on base? Alternatively, did the quality of his stuff or his location suffer when he went to the stretch last night?
by spurdynasty on Jul 27, 2008 7:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Answers.
(1) He looked pretty smooth to me. He’s got a bit of a “drop and drive” thing going, so when he wants to really hurl a ball in there, he tends to drop a little too much. As long as he’s consistent with his mechanics, there’s no reason his control or command should fade or revert.
That said, he struggled in very small bursts. I mentioned it briefly in the post, but twice he opened up 3-0 on hitters. He threw lots of strikes, and despite those two ABs, he didn’t walk anyone. He’s definitely fun to watch, even if bats don’t always going flying into camera wells.
(2) There’s a chance it was endurance related. Typically, the swing-man type of pitcher (starter-slash-reliever) eases off just a bit when he starts a game versus when he relieves (setting a pace versus sprinting). With his drop-and-drive style, his legs might have been getting tired after a few innings, or he might have been easing up too much and making his pitches a little too hittable the second time through the order. This is all conjecture, just possible explanations.
(3) He came in with the bases loaded, uncorked a wild pitch (all three runners advanced), then retired two guys on a K and a ground out. His second inning featured a ground ball double past Adam Fox at third with 1 out, then retired the next two without much issue. No one reached in his third inning. Since I only saw him from the stretch against those two hitters in his second inning, I can’t say I saw enough of a difference that I worry about it.
by NoNameOnCard on
Jul 27, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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Nice summary. If all three of those pitches are above average I think it’s possible he gets another shot at the rotation as well. If it doesn’t work out you can always put him back in the ‘pen where he has had better success.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 27, 2008 10:59 AM CDT 0 recs
Bullpen vs starter
Maybe its just me but I hate hearing about guys switching back and forth between one or the other. Its a totally different mindset to come out of the bullpen on an irregular schedule as opposed to starting every 5 days. Jones had a chance to be a starter and wasn’t effective. Now that hes switched to the pen he has had good success and been promoted. Leave him there. Let him focus on being a reliever. Relievers can have 3 good pitches also.
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by bigsteve on Jul 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT 0 recs
There are two reasons you move a guy from the rotation.
(1) Your team really, really needs bullpen help and has an extra starter laying around.
(2) The guy just can’t hack it in a rotation.
While ultimately, the first reason might wind up being what pushes a guy like Jones to the bullpen, he certainly doesn’t have enough of a track record of failure in the rotation to warrant a permanent move there.
Your concerns are noted, but for most pitchers, that really isn’t a big deal. Furthermore, we don’t know exactly what Adair and the organization have planned for Jones. For all we know, Jones might already be ticketed for a Frisco rotation spot next season, and he might already know that’s what he’s working toward. You shouldn’t assume that he’s being jerked around just because it looks like he’s being jerked around.
by NoNameOnCard on
Jul 27, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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3rd reason...
I’d add another reason to the 2 you mentioned and that would be injury concerns.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 2:55 PM CDT
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Good point.
I think I was thinking along the lines of baseball reasons. Health is definitely a factor.
by NoNameOnCard on
Jul 27, 2008 3:02 PM CDT
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Yes exactly
He has also thrived in relief before on Atlanta’s low A club last year before we got him. With injuries, mechanics, stuff, I have faith that the ranger’s will find the best role for him to succeed in. If he starts zipping through the system as a reliever I would think that they would leave him there and be have. LH bullpen guys are always a commodity.
by Goyogringo on
Jul 27, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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LH bullpen guys are always a commodity.
especially ones with good stuff who can get RHB out
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 27, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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Didn't J. Santana start out his MLB career as a reliever
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by Rangerchick on
Jul 27, 2008 7:13 PM CDT
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Yes but
only because he was a rule five pick that had to be kept on the roster before he was totally ready
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
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