Sunday morning things
by Adam J. Morris
on Jul 27, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Once again, the Rangers are in a position to sweep the A's. They've failed to win game 3 every time that opportunity has arisen against Oakland this season. We'll see if Eric Hurley can end that streak today.
Josh Hamilton is impressed with Chris Davis's power. Chris Davis is pretty good.
Gerald Laird has been activated and is going to take over the regular catching duties, with Jarrod Saltalamacchia apparently being relegated to a backup role. Evan Grant says the Rangers were about to stop the job-sharing arrangement and make Laird the starter when Laird went down with his hamstring injury.
The S-T says Laird got a big welcome from his teammates, and that Laird says he still isn't 100% yet, but he's good enough to play.
Also from the S-T, Brandon McCarthy is going to start for Oklahoma today and throw 75 pitches. Mark Connor says that McCarthy will need to have 2 90 pitches outings before he'll be considered for a major league start, which would mean at least two more starts after tonight's. Last season, though, the Rangers brought him back earlier than expected. Given that Kevin Millwood is on the d.l. and the team wants to limit Scott Feldman's innings, I wouldn't be shocked if the Rangers decided they might as well activate him, rather than have him pitch a 90 pitch stint or two in AAA.
The Cincinnati Inquirer suggests that Walt Jocketty should try use Bronson Arroyo to land one of the three Ranger catchers who are available (the author says landing Max Ramirez would require another Josh Hamilton, high praise for a guy who was acquired about a year ago for just Kenny Lofton). Arroyo has a terrible ERA this year, but his FIP and xFIP haven't really been much worse than they've been the previous couple of years. He's owed $20.5 million for 2009-10, with a 2011 option for $11 million that includes a $2 million club option.
Really, the issue with Arroyo is that he's a 31 year old innings eater, not a legit top of the rotation guy. He's a Millwood or a Padilla, and I don't know that we need another one of them.
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Salty
I don’t want to harp on this, and I’m not looking for any fights with the blueballlefty’s of the board, but I just wanted to point this out:
He went 2-3 with a double, a walk, 2 RBI and 2 runs scored yesterday and has hit .364/.440/.545 in his last 6 games for an 985 OPS, and now he’s being religated all the way down to backup catcher.
That’s fucked up.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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Give me a break
Yippee. 6 games. He’s sucked all year. He hasn’t hit and his defense isn’t good.
But you are mad he’s going to be the backup to the better catcher because of 6 games?
Come on.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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+1
I wanted Salty to win the starting job out of ST but he hasn’t shown much at the ML level this year. I am hoping this is just an off year for him since he was considered one of the better catcher in the Minors. If he wants to be the starting catcher for the Rangers then he better start performing.
by coolaid on
Jul 27, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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even if he did really well in ST, he would NOT have won the starting job
plus, judging a starting start from ST is dumb.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on
Jul 27, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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How do you expect him to improve by having him sitting on the bench?
Making him the backup is tantamount to doing to him what they did to German Duran, and that is stunt his growth. And at 10 games out, that’s what the second half should be about, is growth and improvement.
Send him down to the minors, fine. Put him back in the platoon, fine. But religating him to the bench for the second half is fucked up.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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Don't you comprehend
that JD wants to maximize Laird’s playing time over the next week to showcase him to other teams (potential trading partners) in order to prove that Laird is healthy now? If he successfully trades Laird at the deadline, your boy Salty will get more time playing. How can’t you see that?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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I'm not counting on the Rangers making any moves anymore
I think it’s very likely they are going to sit on their hands at this deadline because they don’t find the specific deal they want, or they think they can still contend either this year or the next. When they shipped Teagarden off to china, I thought that was actually a telling sign that they where not planning to trade Laird at the deadline.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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My suggestion
Just admit he’s sucked since coming to the Rangers.
It will make you feel better.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Only if you admit
That Laird has sucked the vast majority of his time with the Rangers, and that his 2008 first half is very likely a fluke.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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But he hasn't
He was a terrible hitter last year, though. Unlike Salty, though, at least when he’s not hitting, he’s a good defensive catcher.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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Adam...
You and I both know Salty has more star potential than Laird. He’s younger, under club control for longer, and less expensive. He’s had a rough year, but at this point the Rangers need to continue to groom as much as possible for next year. Benching him makes absoultely no sense.
But I guess we’ve seen your true colors today AJM… you obviously are just as much of a Laird fanboy as you accuse me of being a Salty fanboy. So, with that in mind… lets drop this before it goes any further, shall we?
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Groom for next year
Perhaps they realize that Laird is the best catcher for next year and want to play him as much as possible.
Sorry to but into the argument here
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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But I guess we’ve seen your true colors today AJM… you obviously are just as much of a Laird fanboy as you accuse me of being a Salty fanboy.
How do I do the rolling-eye emoticon?
Laird is a nice major league catcher. That’s it.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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Laird is probably going to no longer be a Ranger in 6 days
and Salty will be the starter with Max….if that doesn’t happen you can complain then. But don’t complain now unless you comprehend JD’s reason for starting Laird all the sudden…Maybe it has to do with the trade deadline approaching. Duh.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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Laird trade
If it happens, it’d make today’s announcement (and the retrospective commitment to pre-injury Laird) pretty weird.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jul 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT
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This is the team
That named Alex Rodriguez team captain one week before they traded him.
by tyd3311 on
Jul 27, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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he was pathetic last year
probably because he started so many games. If you platoon him with another that seems to maximize his output; if he’s the starter?...then notsomuch.
Even this year, as the everyday catcher he sucked…then when salty came up here, he started playing better.
I say keep doing the 2 games thing. Salty has started to hit well, i don’t think he’s even had a good 6 game stretch all year…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on
Jul 27, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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actually Laird
in his three full season’s has had two WELL above avg. seasons for a catcher, honestly without trying to get into a fight Salty has actually hit .230 as many times in his pro career as he has hit .290 and its actually been pretty inconsistent, not like he has ever “turned a corner”
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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Laird
Look at his lefty/righty splits from his “good” year. I’d call that an “incomplete”.
I don’t think Saltalamacchia has been all that bad this year. The numbers don’t show it, but he’s not afraid to go deep in the count and see a lot of pitches. That’s pretty rare in a young catcher and eventually I think he’ll hit. Likewise, I think he has the tools to be good behind the plate. Time will have to tell.
Laird’s not a bad catcher or anything. This may very well be his career year, though.
by Black Francis on
Jul 27, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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Salty's D
“Likewise, I think he has the tools to be good behind the plate.”
Really? I ask this in all sincerity . . . Why is it you think he has this potential?
by Randy Richardson on
Jul 27, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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In akk sincerity
Why is it you think he doesnt?
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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well,
From what I’ve seen, he’s a poor receiver. He way too often stabs at balls in the dirt leading to wild pitches. His throws to second have been an adventure – they’re short, into the outfield, to the 2B side, and on the SS side. Jorge Posada has thrown out a better % of baserunners this season.
He’s young and deserves the opportunity to improve, but I don’t see him developing into a plus defender.
by Randy Richardson on
Jul 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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I watch him play
...and I can see he has a good arm. Salts is very young. Footwork and some of the finer aspects can be learned. The raw tools are there though. Keep in mind I’m not saying he’s going to be Rodriguez like behind the plate. No way. But average or a little better? I don’t see why not as long as he’s willing to put in the work.
by Black Francis on
Jul 29, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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so far
this isn’t Laird’s best season so how could it be his career year? people around here way underestimate Laird
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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Damn AJM...
Yeah he has struggled but he’s still really young. Do you not think he can improve? I’m all for letting OMFT be the everyday catcher for the next few days, ‘til they deal him, but I still have faith that Salty will come around.
I’m in the camp that both Salty and OMFT will be dealt and the Rangers will have TT and MaxRam as their catchers. However I think both can be good ML catchers for years to come.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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I didn't say he couldn't improve
I don’t know where you are getting that from.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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I never said...
you didn’t think he would improve. I was just asking you a question. You have seemed rather harsh towards him in this thread that’s all. I know he has sucked so far this year but there is plenty of time for him.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Easy now slc
He’s an attorney and they are better at parsing words than reporters are.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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Why are you so hung up...
...about the phrasing I used about the T.R. Sullivan article about catchers yesterday?
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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JD
is very good at not showing anyone his cards. The same thing happened last year, nobody had any idea if JD knew what he was doing with such valuable trade chips as Gagne, Tex and even Lofton. This year the trading chips are a little bit more ambiguous but nonetheless wait until the deadline passes before you criticize him for not making any moves. Don’t just assume that nothing is going to happen just because you haven’t heard any definitive Rangers rumors on the internet.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Cool
A battle between the Presidents of the “I have a mancrush on a Rangers catcher for no particular reason” fanclubs.
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by DaheelzCM on
Jul 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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Heh
though, unlike last year at this time, Laird is clearly playing better this season. I’m really hoping one is dealt this week for a good return we can be happy with. Everyone wins in that scenario.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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+1
Truer words will likely not be spoken during the coming argument.
by BlackHawk125 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Maybe
If Salty hadn’t of waited until right before Laird got back from injury to actually start hitting this wouldn’t be an issue. But since he decided he didn’t want to seize the opportunity when it arose and just now started to grasp it then he can go back to being the backup to the better catcher right now.,
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 27, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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What?
Do you forget he was playing through a groin injury and then got nailed with the flu. What makes you think he decided he didnt want to seize the opportunity when it arose? I usually agree and enjoy your posts but that comment is just ignorant Steve.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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that all happened
a good two weeks after Laird got hurt!
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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actually
it happened about the same time as Laird got hurt but he played through it because the team needed him and it just got worse.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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no it didnt
laird got hurt around the 16th of june, Salty got sick at the allstar break, get your shit straight fool
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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Hey Moron
the groin injury, which is what he played through, occured just after Laird went down. The only thing you got right is the flu which did happen at the AS break, which he was held out a few games after the break also. Get your shit straight before calling other people fools, fool.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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you
get your shit straight punk, if it happened when Laird got hurt then you are the only one that knows about it, and by the way could you please offer something of some substance, instead of just protecting Salty tooth and nail, please something
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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sorry blueball
but 3 bag is correct. These last six games is the first good run of starts that Salty has had without being injured or sick. The grioin injury is not an opinion, it is a fact. It was written about in the DMN. I think his nice hitting #’s also coincide with his most consecutive games caught.
What is that website that lists games started by position….baseball reference?
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT
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sorry you could be right
but the first time I remember anyone mentioning a groin injury for Salty was in Minnesota, I watch every game so I figured if it was really bothering him than I would remember it, but if you have proof? then I trust you
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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Punk?
I’m not the fatass that has a bodybuilders pic for an avatar. LOL You really are insecure with yourself. You always seem to be quick at childish name calling when people disagree with you. Grow up.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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you obviously
know nothing about me, and are real effing tough on this keyboard, you want to get personal I will tell you where my seats are at my next home game and we can talk this out.
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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The internet is serious business!!!
wow.
by Garcia on
Jul 27, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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this dude
just shows up and wants to fight everyone not wanting to induct salty into the HOF tommorow and then wants to get personal, he’s nothing but a little punk that probably couldn’t even drive to the RBiA if he wanted to
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 1:18 PM CDT
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you are
the internet tough guy on this and other boards. Besides was’nt that you that posted all the pics of yourself and some of the players (including Salty) at the ballpark during picture day?
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 1:19 PM CDT
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Ok
and what other boards? this is really the only one I talk on. I sometime post on DMN but nothing like this, and what do you have to say about my pics, I did have one with Salty because I LIKE HIM, I just dont think he is freaking Johnny Bench, at least not yet DAMNIT dude
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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Just out of curiosity...
Are you a relative of his? Because just about all of your posts have seemed to consist of jumping on people who criticize him.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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you mean
like you jump on Salty every chance you get? Maybe you are related to Laird.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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you mean like you jump on Salty every chance you get?
Bullshit. Pointing out that a guy who came over here a year ago with real high expectations hasn’t lived up to them - and in fact, has been pretty bad - isn’t jumping on him every chance I get.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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Uh huh
Coming from someone whose entire contribution to any discussions has been to jump on people who have anything critical to say about Saltalamacchia any chance he gets.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:46 AM CDT
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lonestarJon, 3bagbeast and Salty .... threesome
Laird for President
by rldwb on
Jul 27, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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Who would be the catcher?
Cuz it damn sure wouldn’t be Salty.
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by DaheelzCM on
Jul 27, 2008 2:23 PM CDT
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underrated
and underappreciated…....nice work!
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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lol
AJM on the attack
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on
Jul 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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there is a difference
between criticism and degrading someone. You ought to know that Adam.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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You don't make a good Penn.
So your accusations of bullshit really don’t hold any weight.
by venturafearsnolan on
Jul 27, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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then you
should criticize JD for the TEX trade….true some of the other pieces in the minors are looking like they have bright futures but I believe the jewel of the trade was perceived to be Salty. and if he sucks that doesn’t reflect well on the GM.
So far the Tex trade had netted us NOTHING at the ML level. Lets hope that changes…
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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It netted us...
...yesterday’s winning SP.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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damnit
forgot about the great matt harrison. although i dont think he pitched all that great yestarday. If Salty indeed flops Feliz or Andrus better be the real deal. I’ve got more faith in Feliz panning out than Andrus. I’m amazed how everyone just pencils Elvis in the lineup in 2010.
The Rangers wont have WON this trade until there is some success at the ML level from these players. athough ATL certainly hasnt benefited from adding The Cooler.
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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Matt didnt have his best stuff
but giving up 1 earned run in 5 innings and only throwing 85 pitches when you dont have your A stuff is pretty servicable, true.
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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true
but the 3 walks are disconcerting. Speaking of walks….would people please pay attention to number of walks Diamond has every time out , for his entire minor league career, and quite mentioning him getting a call up.
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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"the blueballleftys of the board"
come on were having fun, no? You know Jon I have actually changed my stance in a way on this situation. I think we should trade Laird. With the SURPLUS of catching in this system we cant afford to get into a pissing match with Boras in a couple of years to try to keep this guy. BUT Salyt wouldnt be my starter, TT would, I know his offense wasnt awesome, but watching him recieve the ball and throw from the C position reminded me of Pudge in a way, it was beautiful! I still think Laird is the best of all of them right now but the Boras factor is overwhelming. I also think we need to trade MaxRam now. It sounds like his value is SUPER high and ultimately he will never have a position here IMO. so no fight just fun
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Yes
Perhaps I should have said “the AJM’s of the board” instead…
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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You suffer from Salty persecution process
No one here hates Salty. You just perceive anything less than a canonization of him as an anti-Salty bias.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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+1
it doesnt mean everyone hates him, if they criticize him
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Pardon me
I thought when you say a guy sucks and send him back to the minors or trade his ass, it means you don’t like him.
by 3bagbeast on
Jul 27, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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so?
stating a fact that he has been bad. stating that I dont think he will live up to all the hype. and saying that he needs some time in the minors (which he clearly does). so all that means I dont like him? or it means that I dont think he is as for along as JD wants us to think he is?
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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What the hell do you call this then?
Give me a break Yippee. 6 games. He’s sucked all year. He hasn’t hit and his defense isn’t good.But you are mad he’s going to be the backup to the better catcher because of 6 games?
Come on.
That isn’t critism, it’s vitriol. All I was saying is that an outright benching of Salty for a long-term period was fucked up, and you jumped down my throat.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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It isn't vitriol
It is pointing out how irrational your tantrum about Laird being the starter is.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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It wasn't a tantrum against Laird
That’s just what you took it as.
I’m just trying to point out that you shouldn’t bench a 23-year old player just because he’s having a bad year. Note above where I say:
Send him down to the minors, fine. Put him back in the platoon, fine. But religating him to the bench for the second half is fucked up.
I never said a word about Laird until you did however.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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I didn't say it was a tantrum against Laird
But if it helps to re-word it, fine…a tantrum about Salty being the backup.
There are two months left in the season. There’s a real good chance Laird isn’t here in a week or a month. Laird appears to be the better player right now, and the team is trying to continue to win games down the stretch.
I don’t see what the freak-out is about.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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Then why did you jump down my throat?
Geezus. You could have just said that in the first place, and we would have never had this entire arguement.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Well
There are two months left in the season. There’s a real good chance Laird isn’t here in a week or a month
I said that about 5 times in this thread…..
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Yeah
But you weren’t the one who started a headbutting match over a percived insult upon the honor of Gerald Lee Laird…
by lonestarJon on
Jul 27, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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Jon, Chill, you are not being objective
Laird for President
by rldwb on
Jul 27, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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it pains me to do this
but +1
you were right when you stated your position at the start of the thread and you are right now….....
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 12:53 PM CDT
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Yo
an outright benching of Salty for a long-term period was fucked up
It’s been one day. JD is obviously listening to offers for catchers. There is a good chance one of them will be gone in a week. Long-term my ass.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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Salty has sucked this year
has become a statement of fact. Although I do agree with your earlier post that it doesn’t make sense to relegate him to backup duty. Send Salty to AAA, he needs to work on his defense more than Ramirez anyway.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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Disagree...
I think MaxRam needs to go down. I would rather he works on his hitting at AAA (since he skipped that level anyway) and hs defense there. Both have struggled at the plate offensively, but I think MaxRam should be catching everyday. I would rather they keep platooning OMFT and Salty if neither are traded.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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No
you got it right Jon. The “AJM’s and blueballs of the board” are synonymous.
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Really?
And what does that mean?
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Jul 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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dude
have you had an actual point yet? or do you just want to fight everybody that doesnt think Salty is Jorge Posada
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My point
my point is the Rangers need to build for the future. I don’t think Laird is their future. They aren’t going to overtake the angels this season and it is highly doubtful they can end up in the wildcard spot. So either continue to platoon Laird and Salty to optimize both of them for off season trades or trade one of them now for an arm.
As for the other comment, I would defend any player because I don’t think they deserve to be attacked. They are playing this game as professionals while we sit at a keyboard making mostly uninformed comments about said players. I mostly defend Salty because he seems to be the favorite player to attack.
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I can think of players more often attacked than Salty.
Go Strangers.
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+1
look no further than CJ and Millwood
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-byrd
-Laird (as much as you hate it he gets more shit than salty)
-Cat
-Millwood
-CJ (my freaking favorite Ranger, yet I dont want to fight everyone that dogs him)
-BMac
some/ most of these deserve the critisizm they get just like salty does but its not like they have a bunch of boyfriends out there trying to fight everyone that dogs them
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Jul 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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You know what?
you are right. I should have said a 22 year old kid.
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my
comments are informed, and why havent you EVER said anything to protect another player, you keep shooting yourself in the foot FOOL
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man
for somebody calling everyone else out for name calling and degrading you sure are a testy little bitch arent you? my comment was really kind of a smart ass comment, I laughed when I wrote it. but i dont usually just throw shit out there based solely on my love of a certain player, I usually do some sort of research before I say something, maybe you should try this
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Also
let’s look at their career numbers so far:
Laird, 28, 1064 ABs, OPS+ 81
Salty, 23, 472 ABs, OPS+ 88
Does that mean much? Maybe, maybe not…but, the fact that Salty at the age he’s at and the numbers he’s put him so far in his career shouldn’t place him as a backup role on this team. Keep the platooning, i’m okay with that.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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if we get Arroyo
i’ll cut myself
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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Yep...
I want no piece of Bronson
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by slc ranger on
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Arroyo
doesn’t fit into “the plan” and I don’t think JD is going to depart from the plan when trading our catchers…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 27, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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That Chris Davis article was pure sex
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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So is his OPS+ of 180
I know, I know, small sample size! Nonetheless, it is orgasmic.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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The Boston Herald's Tony Masarotti
officially is crazy. Check out this quote in an article about trading Manny.
What is news is this: MARz isn’t one of the truly elite hitters in the game anymore. Take away the first 19 games of this season (after that feel-good, deeply philosophical spring) and MARz entered yesterday batting .290 with 13 home runs and 42 RBI in his past 76 games, the equivalent of about a half-season. During that same period of time, he had been outproduced by such luminaries as Adam LaRoche, Hunter Pence, James Loney, Cody Ross, David DeJesus, Bengie Molina, Jorge Cantu and even David Murphy.
Umm, come again?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Further
That’s right, the same David Murphy whom the Red Sox dealt to the Texas Rangers because, quite simply, there was no place for him to play.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Manny
Amazing how not having Papi protecting him has hurt his numbers.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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not saying we'll end up with him by any means...
but Manny in between Josh Hamilton and Milton Bradley would be f-ing SICK to watch. throw in Kinsler, Young, and Davis and I’d pray for the opposing pitcher
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
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Jul 27, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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Taking out the first 19 games of the season for Ramirez
Ramirez = .287/.395/.476
Murphy = .272/.316/.464
Wow Ramirez has sucked after the first month of the season…I didn’t expect it to be that close.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 27, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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Are we really
Really, I mean, really comparing Manny Ramirez to David Murphy? Let’s get a hold of ourselves, folks. And it’s also convenient to remove 19 games from the season, especially if it supports your argument.
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Jul 27, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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We?
it was from an article in the Boston Herald. And nobody compared Manny Ramirez as a player to David Murphy. They compared how they have performed this year after the first month of baseball. And yes they have performed similarly from a statistical standpoint.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 27, 2008 2:16 PM CDT
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OK
how available do you think Aaron Harang could be? I would love to do a MaxRam for Harang deal.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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Harang
Haven’t looked at his numbers recently. But I saw something where his numbers were shit after Dusty pitched him 2 days after 120 pitches (Going from memory here).
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
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he has a terrible record but
his other numbers are still ok, and I have always loved this guy, I think it would be a pretty good example of buying low, on a guy with ACE potential
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No, thanks
A like Harang, but I trade Ramirez only for a young potential top-tier starter. I think Ramirez will be a special hitter, and he is a catcher, and the world’s supply of good MLB catchers doesn’t meet the demand. Trading Ramirez for a pitcher like Harang is selling horribly low. Incidentally, in answer to the question, Harang’s numbers this year stink.
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
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Arroyo
I’d trade Cat for him, that’s about it. If they want any of our catchers its going to take Bailey.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
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Nah...
I still don’t want that 10 mil a year contract here.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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Yeah
I don’t really want him here at all either.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
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$10 mil for a reliable starter is a more than fair
I didnt say superstar, i dont think arroyo is that, but with our offense he could win 15 a year for the next 3 years, he could help us compete next year through 2011. Wait until the dollars start flowing in free agency this off-season, $10 million is going to be a bargain for a quality arm (quality, not superstar). I’m not saying do it, but imagine if we had 3 padillas this year instead of suckwood and plug in any starter in at the top 3 spots in the order… we’d be leading the wildcard if not challenging the angels. Not everyone can be a superstar and you dont need them to win. Look at the twins every year.
This is same arguement at catcher. I havent taken a position, but Salty definitely has more star potential, but potential just means you havent done anything yet and Laird has proven to be a quality major league catcher.
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Jul 27, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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I don't see...
Arroyo as reliable. Agree to disagree.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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if we trade Padilla for prospects
and fail to make any other splashes for young potential # 1 or # 2 pitchers…I’d trade Laird for Arroyo
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
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Davis
I can’t remember a player developing this much power this quickly, and in such an unexpected fashion. To see a guy that no one talked about, even in passing, two years ago make such quick in-game adjustments like a veteran…
I get giddy like a schoolgirl when I think of the power in the lineup the next few years with Hamilton, Davis, Ramirez, Bradley?, perhaps Mayberry, added to the speed of Borbon, Andrus. Winning or losing, this team’s offense is going to be fun to watch the next few years.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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I can’t remember a player developing this much power this quickly, and in such an unexpected fashion.
Albert Pujols
by Adam J. Morris on
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Ryan Braun
although most of his homers came in the second half of his rookie campaign.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Braun
He was a very highly regarded power prospect from the time he was drafted.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Meant to say
Ranger player. But yeah, Pujols was definitely unexpected, though he was who knows how much older than Davis at the time he broke out.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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add Smoak and a random 3rd baseman...
Josh Fields?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 27, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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okay
what we arguing about this morning, i want in..
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on
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Apparently a bunch of Salty stuff
(see above)
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 27, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Are the Dodgers CRAZY?
ok I guess we all know they are, buy why the hell would they even consider Loney for the wet blanket Tex is and always will be. I think I will reliquish my baseball weenie if Tex actually gets a contract near the $24 mill. that he wants, the guy is an ultimate COOLER!
by blueballlefty on
Jul 27, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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note its just a rumor from mlbtraderumors and thats it but CRAZY
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James Loney
when will he find power?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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* home run power
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 27, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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Steriod era is gone
he is what he is…
20-25 homer potential.
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Jul 27, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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Steroid era is gone?
That’s cool…Chris Davis don’t need steroids!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 27, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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welcome all
to the HGH era
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on
Jul 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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when he
gets to hit somewhere besides that RANCH of dodgers stadium, thats a reason i thought the A.Jones was a bad signing a guy that hits HR’s but not a good avg hitting in a stadium that a ball just doesnt seem to fly out of, bad recipe!
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Jul 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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He's real young and still developing
I’m really curious to see what kind of a power hitter he turns into.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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lol fail
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Jul 27, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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He's never
gonna be a true power hitter.
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if he
played in arlington he would have Raffy type power
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If I may be so bold
As to offer some advice to our esteemed blog administrator Adam J. Morris: I think you need to delete this thread before it goes any further. I’m not pointing fingers at you or anyone else, but this has kind of gotten out of hand and should be nipped in the bud before it results in anything more unsavory than what has already occured.
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This just hasn't been a good thread
With Adam, getting caught up in flaming matches with LSJ and 3bagbeast. As blog admin, I’m suggesting he might want to wash this slate clean, because over half of what’s posted here could be construed as detrimental to everyone involved.
I don’t know, I guess I just didn’t expect to ever see Adam stooping to the level of the rest of the board like this.
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Jul 27, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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big deal
If we were all sitting in a living room or bar having this same discussion no one would think twice. But since it’s on a blog we all get our feelings hurt? I view this just as I would bantering with buddies over beers, sometimes we give each other shit and even call each other assholes. Big deal.
There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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Jul 27, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
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i didnt know
you were blog admin
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on
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Huh?
stooping to the level of the rest of the board like this.
So… we’re all insignificant and inferior morons? Thanks.
by lonestarJon on
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3bagbeast=525dp
his obvious love for two things are well obvious, numbers in his name and the man with salt in his name! if not PROVE IT
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geez.....
I go have a quick lunch and come back to the carnage of a “Salty vs. Laird” argument…..
Anyway I usually defend Salty, but at this point Laird should be starting to see if we can move him. If we can’t and we start to fall further out of the wildcard, I would like to see them split time again until the end of the season. I don’t think that playing as the backup for the rest of this season will drop Saltys value any….then in the offseason at least 1 catcher has to move, and personaly I just want to get the best value out of our 4 catchers. If that means dealing Salty, Max, or TT in a package deal for a young starting pitcher…then I am for it. Whatever it takes to get this team on top
As for Bronson Arroyo….I am sure that the Reds would be willing to put him in the deal for Laird, but I really do not want any part of him. Sure he can eat innings for you, but I am sick of paying 10 mil to a below average pitcher that post an ERA above 5.00 for us (which he would). That money should go into trying to sign Sabathia or Sheets….even if we have to pay well over market value.
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Jul 27, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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The real solution
Trade Salty AND Laird so everyone can stop whining about them. I do believe there is a market for both.
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""He's not afraid of any situation" - wash on davis
except batting 6th or 7th in the lineup, he cant handle that.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
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Honestly,
I dont mind too much if they keep him down in the lineup. HOWEVER, if he keeps hitting like this you just have to move him up. Seems like the usual Davis pattern. Good, solid prospect out of Juco. Shouldnt have been to AA that quickly but he played his way there. Shouldnt have been to AAA that quickly but he played his way there. Shouldnt be in the majors right now but he played his way there. Shouldnt be hitting like this in the majors but the numbers speak for themselves. By the end of the year, shouldnt be hitting 5th but he will play his way there.
I think we can all agree that we would have all enjoyed this if he 24 or even 25 but at 22, wow.
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
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Sizemore v Beltre
Someone asked (I think in Goldstein’s chat this week) if Engel could turn into Grady Sizemore.
To anyone who hasn’t peeked, both players played full season A-ball at 18 yo.
And both played at Clinton.
Beltre (97 G, 432 AB)
.282/.305/.419
9:75 BB:K
Sizemore (123 G, 451 AB)
.268/.381/.335
81:92 BB:K
Big difference in batting eye. Mostly just thought it was interesting they were at the same home park and same position, at the same age.
Go Strangers.
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sizemore with a 50 point drop in OBP
would do just fine
although obviously hes got a long way to go.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
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One slight problem with trading for Arroyo
the commissioner’s office would want the cash to even out… so either we’d have to send $10 million worth of players (making any of the four catchers not enough of their own) or… would the Reds have to send us cash to offset the salary difference, or would we send cash to make up for the difference in contract values?
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Jul 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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the commissioner’s office would want the cash to even out…
???
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I think he got the MLB and the NBA missed up
but AJM, why didn’t the Commissioner’s office allow the Manny/A-Rod trade to go through? Didn’t it have to do with money?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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That was the MLBPA
ARod was supposedly going to defer significant dollars without getting anything in return. Basically, you can’t do a deal that involves a player reducing the value of his contract.
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Okay that makes sense
thanks.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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I thought they wouldn't allow a trade of a $1 million contract for a $10 million contract or something that far unbalanced
Or do they just have to sign off on it?
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It doesn't matter
Otherwise, the Teixeira trade wouldn’t have gone through last year. Or the Jarrod Washburn trade, that is about to occur.
The only time there is an issue is when a team sends along cash to the other team as part of the deal.
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So instead of having to send cash, sending cash would make things worse?
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i think a trade has to be approved
by the commish if there is more than $2 million in cash being sent from one team to another. i could be wrong on the amount but its somewhere around there.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on
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actually
i have no idea if thats correct, someone chime in?
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Dude, my head hurts now!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
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The only way....
I would take Arroyo is if the Reds ate a hefty portion of his contract….
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is it crazy
that I still want to find a way to get Ian Snell…?
if we can’t land Sheets in the offseason, how about Oliver Perez?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
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I dont trust
Oliver Perez with guaranteed money.
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Thank all who participated in this thread.
I haven’t laughed so hard in a while…unfortunately I made waffles for brunch.
How do you get syrup off an LCD???
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
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