Part 2 of our trade for the day

by NYTXFAN on Jul 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT Comment 47 comments

This one comes from Boomer and it got me thinking.

Breaking news: The Rangers trade Gerald Laird for Homer Bailey.

Now I think Bailey would get lit up but he is worth the flyer. I dont see Laird fitting in long term here and I doubt he has a big bounce back type year that makes us go " Damn it, we shouldn't have traded him."

We Get a pitcher who is major league ready, but hasn't seen any success at this level.

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OMFT for Homer"Duh"Bailey?

Yes

78 votes

No

8 votes

I would but Cinnci wouldn't

50 votes

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in a heart beat.

yes!

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by JJStuart on Jul 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks NYTXFAN

I think it might take Laird + another player but I would do it.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jul 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I would...

But the Reds won’t. Bailey may be down right now, but it would take more than OMFT to get him in Arlington.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes, .... Go for it

Laird for President

by rldwb on Jul 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yikes

“Colorado piled up 15 hits in less than five innings off Homer Bailey, another offensive splurge that sent Jorge De La Rosa and the Rockies to a 5-1 victory Saturday over the Cincinnati Reds.”

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 27, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

all but 1 was a single

for whati ts worth.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 27, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Switch

Laird for Salty and I think they do it.

by meatbonelefty on Jul 27, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

did i hear

sportscenter right last night that Bailey has lost like 16 straight decisions in the majors and AAA combined?

by blueballlefty on Jul 27, 2008 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Homer Bailey sucks super hard

But I guess I’d think about this deal just because the kid still has some upside on the mound, and I’m sucker for that sort of thing. But I don’t think the Reds would do it. Maybe swap in Salty and it could be a swap of young-but-struggling prospects. Then I’d move Bailey to the ‘pen and let him setup/close. Let him focus on throwing his filth one inning at a time and see if that cures some of his problems.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Instead of salty or laird

would you do max ram? I would for sure, and judging by what john eradi, that reporter AJM mentioned this morning, said since he thinks max ram’s in the same realm of Hamilton. The Bring Bailey Back to Texas Bandwagon is lookin pretty good come the trade deadline.

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by kevzta on Jul 27, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hell no.

I don’t care who we get back from Cincy, Max ain’t going anywhere.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 27, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jul 27, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

really?

i guess im really undervaluing him. Honestly though, I think what he would contribute to the rangers is just more offense, and i find it hard that he could somehow increase his value from where it is now and where it would be with more playing time. Im not saying to trade maxram just because of the logjam, or only consider trading him for bailey. If he has as much value as you guys think he does, what type of player should we receive if we traded him?

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Jul 27, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, it was reported in one of the Cincy-area papers today (or yesterday, not sure)...

That it would take another “Josh Hamilton” to pry Max-Ram from us.

That’s pretty much how we value him around here.

But you’re right on one front, that his value to us is certainly greater offensively than defensively, but with his versatility to play 1B and C, he’s one of the most valuable farm guys we have.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 27, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought about adding salty,

but I like the little bit of pop I’ve seen in his bat. His D skills are horrid, but Im not ready to trade him for a struggling pitcher in Bailey. I think he could be used for another scenerio. maybe one of those add 2’s that connvice a team to trade away a high upside major league pitcher. That way all we’re left with is Tea and MaxRam. I could do with that.

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by NYTXFAN on Jul 27, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is the first year bailey hasnt been graet in the minors.

last year his k/9 was down, but he allowed less than 7 hits per 9.

id give up a lot for him. hes the kind of upside guy we could use.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 27, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He's struggling with command

a lot. Maybe he’s hurt

by FirebatM3 on Jul 27, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bailey

One thing to consider with him is next year will be his last option year so a team doesn’t have alot of time to let him figure it out. he hasn’t had success in the majors yet and unless he turns it around this year he will go into next year as a guy who needs to put it together. One of the problems you get when you rush a kid like Cincy did with him.

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by bigsteve on Jul 27, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree, with all that combined

along with them being down on him this might be the time to strike while the iron is hot. Laird is not going to be here next year and Bailey has high upside. Even if Bailey doesn’t figure it out I think this is a trade you have to take a chance on. As I have said before I would try to offer Laird to the Yanks for Kennedy first.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jul 27, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know about Kennedy man.

I’m not real familiar with him or anything, but from what I do know, I just get a big whiff of the Soriano deal every time I think about trading for Kennedy. Laird would be about the only guy I’d send the Yankees right now though.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 27, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

all you need to know about kennedy

minor league career hit per nine: 5.70
minor league career K per nine: 9.63
minor league career bb per nine: 3.05

He may not develop into a real ace, but he is another of the kind of guys we definitely need for next year. Ready to pitch, legitimate upside.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 27, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No doubt

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jul 27, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

all you need to know about kennedy

is he sucks.

Oh and if by legitimate upside you mean no upside, then we are in agreement.

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by rchawk12 on Jul 27, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

meant to say none

I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.

by rchawk12 on Jul 27, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

any logic behind that?

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 27, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No he has no logic at all

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jul 27, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

salty for Kennedy?

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by NYTXFAN on Jul 27, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since I don't know a lot about him...

Do you know what he throws (pitches), speeds, etc.?

I’m just curious to learn a little more about him since he’s one of the guys whose names I see around here in trade rumors/wish lists, etc.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 27, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess the way I know of him, since Im from NY, is that he is overrated like Melky.

He is one of those prospects that everyone is talking about. The future of the Yankees. Yeah okay, the Yanks just want to build his value up so they can trade him. I mean Joba and Hughes should and will be untouchable, their part of the future. But a solid 3/4 type pitcher can be aquired through a trade if the Yanks need it. Could be a real, real good number five in their rotation, but I dont see him panning out as a 3/4 for the Yanks.

Here is a quick bio on pitches and speeds for Kennedy:
http://www.baselinereport.com/baselineblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kennedyian.pdf

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by NYTXFAN on Jul 27, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff.

Thanks.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 27, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The rangers dont have a lot of solid #3 starters around.

Solid #3 = rangers ace.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 27, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have to think that if we could have Kennedy for Laird

he’d have been had for Laird by now. He struggled early, but part of that might have been adjusting to the majors, and part of it might have been his injury.

Unless there’s still something seriously wrong with him phsycially, which it doesn’t sound like there is, I’d love to get my hands on him. He was overrated by some after last year’s performance, but he still profiles as a solid innings-eating 3/4, which has some serious value, imo.

After some quick and dirty research, it sounds like he’s actually progressing pretty nicely in his minor league rehab assignment.

From rotowire:

Kennedy (strained lat) struck out seven and allowed just one hit over seven shutout innings in his start against Triple-A Richmond on Thursday.
Spin: Kennedy has allowed just four hits and one earned run over his last two starts, while his overall numbers at Triple-A (2-2, 2.16 ERA, 27:9 K:BB in 33.1 IP) suggest that he’s at least deserving of consideration for another look in the New York rotation. Given his struggles there earlier this year, it’s easy to forget that Kennedy won’t turn 24 until December and that he only had made 15 starts combined between Double-A and Triple-A in 2007.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Laird and someone else (maybe Arias?) for Kennedy. If New York does it, I’d do it.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 27, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If ever there was a team that had no use for a SS prospect

it would be the Yanks… so Arias is out.

But, yah, Laird + something else of value would be what it would take to snag a guy like Kennedy. Laird + Guradado + a low level prospect (Poveda? Beau Jones?) might get the conversation started.

But that’s all conjecture.

I have a hard time believing Cashman would deal Kennedy now when his value is at it’s absolute lowest. Only if they’re absolutely desperate for a catcher would they even consider such a move.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

arm slot

Bailey would be fine once Adair changes his arm slot :)

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 27, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

How come adair

never changed volquez’s arm slot. Apparently thats all it took to turn him around in ST this year according to some cincy paper a while back.

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by rchawk12 on Jul 27, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Laird

I don’t think they’ll get Kennedy or Bailey for Laird, my guess is that they get a package of 1 position player and 1 pitcher for him, both with some upside.

Maybe something like RHP Josh Roenicke and SS Todd Frazier from the Reds or RHP J Brent Cox and CF Brett Gardner from the Yankees

by FirebatM3 on Jul 27, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs