Trade Rumors 7/29
by DSheppard
on Jul 29, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
Didnt have anywhere to post a random bit of info.. so I figured we could collect the minor trade rumors of the day in a thread. Barring anything big happening of course.
To start the day off, The South-Florida Sun Sentinnel confirms the Marlins are looking to acquire a catcher, and lists Laird as one of four targets.
They are also looking for a left handed reliever, with guardado in the mix there as well.
Anyone have a realistic return in mind? I'm not particularly familiar with their system.
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The players I like from FLA
are Tucker, Gaby Hernandez, and Matt Dominguez. I wonder if it’s possible to get all 3 somehow.
Volstad is another good option but he’s FLA’s #1 prospect in the majors right now, it would take an arm and a leg to get him.
by Coolbean04 on Jul 29, 2008 9:06 AM CDT 0 recs
No chance
But I’d love to have either or both of Tucker and Dominguez somehow.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 29, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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Vanden Hurk
Not on BP’s Top 11 in Jan. but took Miller’s spot in the rotation when he got hurt—with not real good results. 23 years old.
Not suggesting, asking.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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I like Vanden Hurk
He’s got the stuff. Not really sure where he sits in their pecking order, but I suspect that he’s behind the 2005 picks (whether or not he should be, I’m not sure).
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 29, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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If he's behind the 2005s
then it seems he would be a possibility, especially if a low level arm was included with Laird.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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I did some research...
and came to the conclusion that noone named Rick VandenHurk could ever be successful in the major leagues.
Seriously though, if we could get a package with Tucker I’d go for that.
by LiamP on
Jul 29, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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The name's Henricus Vanden Hurk
Anyone named Henricus is welcome on my team.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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+1
We could have a battery of Henricus and Maximilano.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 29, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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Here is Sickels' Florida Top 20 from the beginning of 2008
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2007/12/16/02817/829
6 out of their top 10 prospects are pitchers. Clearly a good system for JD to target.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 9:06 AM CDT 0 recs
Houston Chronicle said
the Rangers were scouting their game last night against CIN in regards to pitching.
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by willamos2 on Jul 29, 2008 9:15 AM CDT 0 recs
their=Astros
fyi
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by willamos2 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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Makes sense
They are supposedly interested in Laird.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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Stros
always vag out of trades with the Rangers b/c they’re scared of being wrong.
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on
Jul 29, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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but that irrelevant
b/c we were scouting Reds pitching. ;-)
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on
Jul 29, 2008 12:25 PM CDT
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Nah dude...
They were there scouting the Reds.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 29, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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Add Brewers in mix
The Marlins are the most aggressive suitor for Gerald Laird. The Brewers, Reds, and Yankees are also in on the Rangers’ catcher. Rosenthal points out a Doug Melvin connection – Melvin acquired Laird as the Rangers’ GM back in ‘02. The Rangers continue to target young starting pitching in return.
by gamerabcd on Jul 29, 2008 9:18 AM CDT 0 recs
re:
The Marlins are the most aggressive suitor for Rangers catcher Gerald Laird, but add the Brewers to the list of interested clubs, which also includes the Reds and Yankees.Brewers GM Doug Melvin acquired Laird for the Rangers in 2002, and Laird would be a strong complement to Jason Kendall, who needs to start only 16 more games to guarantee his vesting option for next season.
The Rangers are seeking a young starting pitcher in return for Laird, and also fielding calls on their other catcher, Jarrod Saltalamacchia.
The Marlins, according to the Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, are considering three catchers besides Laird: The Giants’ Bengie Molina, Orioles’ Ramon Hernandez and Pirates’ Ryan Doumit.
Matt Treanor, the Marlins’ starting catcher, is suffering from a sports hernia.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on
Jul 29, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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Why would Pittsburgh trade Doumit?
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 29, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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They wouldn't
unless they were overwhelmed…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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No he didn't
Come on Rosenthal, that was Fuson getting a bunch of his A’s guys for Melvin’s Pena.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 29, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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Jamey corrected Rosenthal
on MLBTR haha
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Why Astros?
Anyone have any interest in anything in Houston other than Oswalt?
by gamerabcd on Jul 29, 2008 9:18 AM CDT 0 recs
Probably Cincy
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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Hmm, who
started last night? That trade would be very odd.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on
Jul 29, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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mlbtraderumors
has another thing up saying that the Marlins, Brewers, Yankees, and reds are after Laird.
Trade Salty for Bailey
Trade Teag, Padilla, F. Francisco, another filler for Hughes
Trade Laird, Guardado for FLA’s prospects
by Coolbean04 on Jul 29, 2008 9:21 AM CDT 0 recs
Just stop....
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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Oh wow
I guess that would leave Max as the only catcher on the roster. That would be fun
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 29, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Well you would want having two of Max and Teag
is waisting there talents. You can give Max 75% of the starts and bring in a career backup catch for the other 25%.
Now I’m not saying my proposals would work out but would you rather be bringing in guys like Bailey, Hughes, Tucker/Hernandez/Dominguez or keeping two catchers on the roster while one not getting significant time.
by Coolbean04 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Of course you would rather,
but you’d also like to live like Richard Branson and date supermodels. For once it would be nice to have some intelligent conversation in these trade threads instead of all this stupid “we should …”
If you have to caveat the comment with “I don’t think it would work out,” then why bring it up?
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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So you're telling me
Salty for Bailey – Is a stupid lopsided trade?
Laird and Guardado for FLA’s prospects a lopsided trade?
The ONLY one that might deem impossible is Teag, Padilla, Francisco, and another player for Hughes. Which is NOT a horrible offer.
So tell me, how are most of the trades I came up with a fairytale?
If you’re too busy about reading trade proposals and is all bitchy from waking up on the wrong side of the bed. WHY DON’T YOU DISAPPEAR FOR THE NEXT 3 DAYS until the trade deadline is over.
You’re like some twat that bitches about everyone talking about who they want to draft right before the draft date.
by Coolbean04 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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Snap
He broke out the sudden outburst of caps ON YOU MY FRIEND
by LiamP on
Jul 29, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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Well
My frustration is not directly completed at you and I apologize for posting it in a response to your comments.
I have a real hard time believing that teams are going to give up potential aces for anything. Bailey and Hughes fit that mold, so I do think there is a certain amount of fairytale. Although not as farfetched as the Buchholtz and Kershaw BS that continues to pop up, which is what really aggrevates me.
So, yes, I would be blown away if the Rangers landed either Bailey or Hughes, but probably should have directed the frustration at the next person who suggested a Laird/Blalock for Kershaw deal. Please accept my apologies.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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"directly completed"?
oh well, you get the idea.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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Bailey
While I agree he has top of the rotation potential I think Cincy is extremely low on him right now and his performance in the majors has not lived up to the hype while Cueto and Volquez have. He is getable and it may take Salty although I still think if they truly covet Laird then a one for one swap is the only way they get him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 29, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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i think cueto will be fine
but he hasnt really lived up to the hype just yet.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 29, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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Ok yeah
But he has vasly outperformed Bailey at the ML level
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 29, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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Bailey
- 15 ML starts = 1.72 WHIP, 76 ERA+
- Second youngest player to appear in the NL last year at 21
Giving up on a 22-year old seems pretty ridiculous. It’s not like Cincy is in the heat of the race or anything.
Maybe he just needs a new arm slot. /sarcasm/
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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Bailey
Look I think Cincy rushed him and he will still be a good pitcher in this league. He may still reach his top of the rotation potential. But I also think Cincy has soured on him. There have been reports of his attitude issues whether or not those are true or not I don’t know. But his performance at the ML level so far has not lived up to the hype behind him. And seeing as how next year is his last option year they may be looking to unload him and cut bait so to speak. If so im all for going after him. He is just the type of player we need to be targeting in trades. Young ML ready pitchers. Like I said if they truly covet Laird like has been reported then Laird straight up is the price
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 29, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Hope you're right on
I’ll keep my fingers crossed.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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I think that maybe
a change of scenery might help him out alot. Wasn’t he drafted out of a high school in TX?? This may have Chris Young 2.0 all over it…
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by hinduplaya on
Jul 29, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Giving up on a 23 yr old
pretty ridiculous as well…
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 29, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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Now I really don't think that you can get Bailey for Laird
Consider what we thought we were going to get for Laird last winter. Even if Bailey doesn’t live up to the hype, that’s outright theft, imo.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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It's cool
I just got frustrated because you have things like 10 trades in 10 days and then all of a sudden 2 trades in 1 day and no one was giving him crap for it.
by Coolbean04 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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I agree
I bit my tongue throughout that and should have done the same here.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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Really?
I think there was plenty of crap being given on those threads. Plus go look at douchbag Ahmads thread today.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 29, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Final straw for me
was the Laird/Cruz or Laird/Cat or Laird Vazquez for Hughes thrown out last night in the Posada thread.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jul 29, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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Saltalamacchia for Bailey
The weird thing is, I’d be glad to do that if I was a Reds fan.
As a Rangers fan, I don’t know.
Salty’s going to have a nice career, and I bet a fresh start is exactly what he needs to begin that career. Reading into the stats, this player has simply not been able to handle ambiguity in his catching role.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jul 29, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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fresh start?
If that’s true, then the organization has failed from a player development standpoint and you’d be selling low.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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+juan?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on
Jul 29, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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I think Max/Teagarden are the most obvious pairing of
our 4 guys.
Teagarden as the good defensive starter, Max can be used as a part time DH and pinch hitter while catching 1-2 times a week.
And with teagarden’s injury history it would be nice to have a capable backup.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 29, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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That leaves us no catchers.
Except Max. Boooooooo.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 29, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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SI.com has an opinion column up (by John Donovan)
saying they’d like to see Milton Bradley traded for Boof Bonser and Livan Hernandez.
I’d like to see John Donovan be set on fire.
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by willamos2 on Jul 29, 2008 9:23 AM CDT 0 recs
+1
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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or set JD on fire if he did that
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by hinduplaya on
Jul 29, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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haha
i was about to kind of defend the deal. THEN i saw Bonser’s stats this year. WOW.
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 29, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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I think that if the door is open...
and you can get who you want…
You deal both Laird and Salty now…and let Tea start with MaxRam as the backup/DH, then you can look to someone else to be the permanent back-up to Tea.
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by ortonius on Jul 29, 2008 9:26 AM CDT 0 recs
I would deal one right now, and then wait until at least the offseason before looking at dealing another
Since Max doesn’t look like a regular starter behind the plate, if you get rid of two catchers right now, you will be left with only one. What if that one doesn’t pan out?
by Telegraph on
Jul 29, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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while that approach is probably the right one
There are bigger problems then worrying about another catcher if we keep max and one of tea/laird/salty don’t work out.
Like having no pitching. Ill be surprised if a deal involving a catcher can get us one legit and close to the majors pitching prospect, but if somehow we find 2 such deals for young pitching… i could deal with iffy depth at catcher.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 29, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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So apparently
Sean West is off-limits according to MLBTR.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs
I would think that he and Volstad both basically would be. I’d be surprised if they’d move Tucker for anything but a stud, too.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 29, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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If Guardado is really available
I imagine JD is exploring a Laird + Guardado combo. Hopefully that opens up a few pitchers who weren’t initially available for just Laird. I have a lot of faith in JD, I know he is trying to work every angle.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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When you consider how much low level depth
I think you also have to consider shopping some of those guys as well in an effort to get that close to Bigs starter.
So something like Laird+Guardado+Perez/Boscan/etc.
Just my opinion. But I know how the board loves its young pitching depth.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Jul 29, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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Agree
you want a AAA/MLB SP over a A/AA. I’ll take a AA guy though if he has really good stuff. Worst case you get a AA arm and it makes it easier to try to form a package for a guy like Greinke in the offseason.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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To all you JD haters
is there anyone other than JD that you want working the phones right now? I’m completely confident JD is going to do what is best – it may come down to the last hour, but good things are about to happen…
by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 9:53 AM CDT 0 recs
100%
Guhgree!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on
Jul 29, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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i would just be happy if
bad things don’t happen.
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by willamos2 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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Just can't think of anyone else...
Let’s just hope that JesusD isn’t distracted from his other tasks of preventing world hunger, negotiating world peace, and staving off that pesky space alien invasion.
WWJDD?
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by Clueless on
Jul 29, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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MLBTR has the redsox looking for a lefty reliever
no guardado mention.
what, dont want to trade for an older injury prone reliever from texas this year?
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 10:07 AM CDT 0 recs
Hindman
has some good stuff in his trade market tracker today
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/trade-market-tracker-729.html
He hits on something I was mentioning above, the idea of packaging players to bring back a greater quality player. He argues that only with Ron Mahay in the Tex package could the Rangers have gotten Neftali Feliz.
Some targets he considers:
Florida = Josh Johnson or Andrew Miller
– I don’t think Florida wants to give up one of those two guys
Boston = he argues that Theo won’t want to wait until the offseason because Laird is the best catcher on the market now or in the offseason. He suggests Laird for Bowden (I’d be on board with that).
Milwaukee = he somewhat jokingly throws out a Laird for Yovani Gallardo move. If that happens I am going to give JD a big kiss.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 10:31 AM CDT 0 recs
might be a stupid question
But for arguement sake, we get rid of Salty and Laird (which I dont condone, but with a good return could get on board with) and we are left with Max/Taylor combo.. What would we do now that Taylor is in Beijing for the Olympics? Would that impede trading both, or could it still be done and have him on a plane back?
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by TheJman on Jul 29, 2008 10:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Might just need to play August with a spare behind Ramirez. The biggest downside would be the wasted 40-man spot, but I’d contend that it wouldn’t be any more wasteful than having Travis Metcalf on there while you let guys like Galarraga go.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 29, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Thats one of the reasons...
I don’t see salty going anywhere until the off-season. They let TT go to the olympics knowing they would not trade Salty unless blown away.
I think Daniels would like to see Salty finish the year as the starting catcher, and see what happens. If he dosen’t show signs of being our future #1 catcher, he will probably be packaged in a deal this offseason.
by clinton33 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Young
From Dan Graziano of the Newark Star-Ledger:
The Dodgers continue to look everywhere for a shortstop, and tons of names have come up in connection with their search. They don’t seem likely to land the Pirates’ Jack Wilson, but they’re scouring other organizations for options, having touched base with Toronto about John McDonald, the Yankees about Alberto Gonzales, the Twins about Adam Everett and even the Rangers about Michael Young, though it’s unclear whether or why Young would be available.
Young is new to the discussion. The 31 year-old shortstop is hitting .298/.345/.421 in 469 plate appearances this year. His five-year, $80MM extension was signed in March of ‘07 but doesn’t kick in until next year. Even if the Rangers would listen on Young, could the Dodgers take on such a contract?
Wow, or is this just LA fishing.
by gamerabcd on Jul 29, 2008 10:39 AM CDT 0 recs
Would you listen?
Assuming we’d have to eat part of the contract, who do you demand in return?
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Jul 29, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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