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From Peter Gammons

The Rangers are one of the only teams with catching depth in Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Gerald Laird, Taylor Teagarden and Max Ramirez, and nearly eight teams have been trying to deal for one. The Yankees are one of several clubs in on Laird, and Boston is in on Teagarden.

 

This is much more realistic than the Michael Young talk.

This is the most specific rumor I've seen relating to Boston's desire for not just a Rangers catcher, but Taylor Teagarden specifically.  Gammons is pretty reliable especially when it comes to the Red Sox since he has so many sources there so I believe his claim that the Sox want him.  Now the question becomes this:

Let me first say that I think Teagarden has the most value out of any of the Rangers' catchers and he is the one Rangers catcher I really don't want to trade.  Saying that, is Michael Bowden enough for Taylor Teagarden?  I honestly don't think he is.  I think the Rangers should hold out for Bowden + another arm (Hagadone)?  I would also ask about trading Guardado and Teagarden for Clay Buchholz however I do not believe he can be had, even for those two.  If so, that's a no-brainer though.  Thoughts? 

 

Also, if Teagarden is moved to Boston and Laird is traded as well to say Florida, would you want to keep Max and Salty as our permanent catchers or would you instead be in favor of moving one of those two in the offseason?

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IF nothing happens

with any player i’m going to be severely disappointed.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

By the way

out of the 4, i really hope we keep Teagarden.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply reply   1 recs

I agree

And it doesn’t surprise me that he is the one that Boston would target.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 1:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

re:

TE: Who should I go after?
BJ: Duh, it’s easy…Teagarden.
TE: K.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 1:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

actually

the one guy that I hope we keep is Max, and I’d like to see him paired with one of the better defensive catchers – preferably Teagarden.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

+1

Laird for President

by rldwb on Jul 29, 2008 2:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+2

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tea

One has to think that his value is higher than any of the catchers right now. I still think MaxRam has the most potential at the plate, but I think he’s truly most valuable if he can platoon with Teagarden.

That said, Teagarden is probably the only one that could return someone truly special (and I think it would take that, with Tom “I love UT” Hicks running the show…)

by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

what happens when a guy is traded

who is on the olympic roster? Would they be trying to get him for next year?

by Goyogringo on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

end of this year and beyond

He’ll be back in September

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 29, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah

with that platoon. we could put maxram behind the plate when team that doesnt steal much is the opponent then have maxram at DH the other times

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

But Tea for Bowden wouldn’t upset me at all.

by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

laird

why is everyone so down on laird? if all these all teams want him, why should the rangers trade him? he is a proven major league catcher.

by un_ambassador on Jul 29, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I love how Laird is playing this season

but I’m not 100% sure his bat is for real. I wouldn’t mind keeping him long term but I think we have him right now at his peak value (assuming his hammy is 100%).

by northtexan95 on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

his bat may not be good but hes great behind the plate

and if we’re not gonna have good pitching we need good defense to help out our pitching

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Right

but that defense really matters only in LF, CF and SS (and 2B, maybe).

Laird isn’t great at blocking the plate or calling a game, He’s got a good arm, but that’s the extent of his contributions defensively.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

because we have a heavy surplus at one position and a heavy deficet at another

and the other guys are locked up longer.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't know that many people are down on Laird.

They just realize we have a ton of depth at catcher, so if someone wants to give us a nifty prospect for him, it’s a good move.

by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bowden doesn't impress me.

How about Hagadone and Reddick? Too much?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

How about we just don't trade TT?

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i agree

that’s for laird, if they want him…

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

homer

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bowden is much further along in the development process

in AAA now, while Hagadone is still in A-ball. JD has stated that he wants pitching that is near mlb ready or mlb already. Bowden has received mixed reviews despite his success though so I’m unsure as well.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I can't see

JD trading both Laird and Teagarden.

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 29, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I don't see him trading either..

they are still (at least in perception) on the fringe of competiting for a playoff spot. For a starting ML catcher, Larid is still cheap and fairly competitive statistically wise with the league norms. that is why so many teams want him. I don’t thing they really want to run the rest of the season with Salty based on what he’s shown so far.

Now, IF either Laird or TT can bring back a 1-3 starter as part of a package, they should do it, but if they will trade their most reliable and productive (at least currently) starting catcher when it’s 105 and there are empty seats is another matter entirely.

Jeff Henn is an idiot.

by Red Shoe Fan on Jul 29, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

we are not in the playoff race

it was a stretch at 7 and a half.
its dead now.

and we certainly arnt beating 2 of 3 of yankees/sox/rays and then the runner up in the central AND oakland.

its over.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

oh i agree fully...

Notice that I said “at least in perception”. This team is done for the playoffs this year, but the franchise as a whole is in a very good place for the future i.e. 2009-2011.

I just believe that at the end of the day, the perception of the common ticket-buying fan will factor in to things too much in the short term. I’m not saying it’s right, but I do think that is what will happen.

They shold keep in mind the hopefully not-too-distant day when RBIA and its neighbor Jerry-Wold can both host very competitive teams that in really in pursuit of a championship.

Jeff Henn is an idiot.

by Red Shoe Fan on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

its not over

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

98% over.

That’s close enough for me.

by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Here's the deal...

The one catcher I want the Rangers to keep is Teagarden. If they want him they will have to blow me out of the water- Teagarden for Masterson and Bowden

by baylorbear82 on Jul 29, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

no no no

never never never never.

you jump on Bowden for Teagarden.

"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain

by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No,

You don’t. Replace TT with Salty and you have my attention.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 1:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It's not a fricking UT bias.

All of you who think that are ignorant.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 2:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hit 'em Wreck 'em.

"Chuck Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise."

by HaoleKlaus on Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Teagarden is the only one of the group...

that I’d really be disappointed to see leave…

by N41D on Jul 29, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Max Ramirez

is going to be an impact run producer, if you aren’t disappointed when he leaves – you will be when he is raking for somebody else.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 2:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

But is he a catcher?

Or am I trading a guy that will be a DH a couple of years from now? If he sticks behind the plate, it obviously makes it more difficult to swallow. But I just don’t know if I see it.

by N41D on Jul 29, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He's going to be a middle of the order masher

Max has huge value if he sticks behind the plate or not. A comparable minor league masher was just traded for CC Sabathia. Max is the RH power bat that this team needs going forward and I wouldn’t move him unless it was for a bonafide ace caliber minor league arm, like say a top 20 pitching prospect in all of baseball.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 2:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

word

Max is everything you’d want from a hitter, high LD%, good FB tendencies, performance, batting eye, high average and now good power. I’m not sure he’s not our best hitting prospect (and yes, that includes Davis and Smoak)

by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah

I have wondered if Max was a better hitting prospect than CD, but after seeing CD’s debut it is hard to say that anybody is a better offensive prospect.

Anyway, I think we both value Max similarly.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

he looked pretty good

when he was up with us. you’ve got to think he can get better…

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm all for...

trading Laird and Salty…

and keeping Max and Tea…only under LIMITED circumstances should those guys be leaving.

I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler

by ortonius on Jul 29, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

+ Juan billion.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

Tea

still has the durability question. i say hang onto Salty, or both. Deal Laird.

Pitch counts are for the ignorant.

by SteveP on Jul 29, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

los angeles?

I’m in L.A. We had a (maybe 5.8) earthquake about 5 minutes ago. I’m in a highrise and, man, it was freaky.

by Hubris on Jul 29, 2008 1:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

awww I missed the biggest one in L A in years..

I’m in Chicago. The biggest one I ever felt in L A was a 4.2 and that was over in 2 seconds. I’d kinda like to feel a real one as long as it’s not too big :) just so I can say I experienced a decent sized one.

There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.

MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Jul 29, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

looks like

it was centered around Diamond Bar. Frankly I am unimpressed with 5.8. It didn’t last too long, but the building swayed for about a minute.

by Hubris on Jul 29, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yikes

I hope you’re on one of the lower floors.. I’d be bolting out of that building soooo fast.

Imagine Uncle Milty after he heard the Royals announcer talking shit about him.

There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.

MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Jul 29, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

43rd floor

of a 51 floor building. It’s not the first earthquake I’ve been in, but it’s the first since I’ve been in L.A. and it’s the biggest I’ve been in.

by Hubris on Jul 29, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

oh shit..

so much for bolting out of the bldg… you may want to wear a construction hat to work the next few days.

There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.

MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Jul 29, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm in San Diego

Getting ready for lunch as the room shook for about 20 seconds. I’ve never felt one close like you just did though. Don’t know if I’d like anything more than a little shake

by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 2:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

California!

The state that greets you with a firm shake!

by northtexan95 on Jul 29, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

was hoping

for a 10.0. Only shot I see of the Rangers making the playoffs this year.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 29, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What are the advantages and disadvantages

of tyring to trade 2 of these guys during the winter meetings? Would we be more likely to get better prospect packages then or now?

by Goyogringo on Jul 29, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I think you have to put forth your best efforts

To get rid of one right now. Preferably Laird, as his name is the one popping up the most it seems like. I say you package Salty in a big deal over the offseason, because I think that is a more realistic time to better gauge his value and get him out of here in a big deal for a SP. But that’s me.

I also think TT is the C of the future, and I’ve said it from day one (and NOT because he is a UT product). So in my mind, he and Max are the two you keep, and the other two need to go. In my opinion, Laird is the one that we really push hard to trade by Thursday.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

winter meetings

Also during the off season more teams are involved then just at the trading deadline. More teams bidding usually means a higher return.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2008 2:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the only guy with more value now

I would imagine, is Laird. It is funny that Teagarden’s name has even come up this summer. As for Salty, I would imagine teams are just trying to buy low on him.

by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I guess that is another factor

JD has to consider: Can I get a better offer (than this pretty good offer) for one of these guys during the offseason? If the answer is yes then I hope they do their dealing during the break.

by Goyogringo on Jul 29, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

BUT

at the winter meetings many teams are willing to go into the season being overly optimistic about the options they already have in place. Seems to me the returns are always higher at the trade deadline.

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 2:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It is also a place

where teams are most overly optimistic about their own prospects, making it harder to get young players back.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Deadline..

Teams are often in desperation mode at the deadline. Sure there are less teams bidding (usually), but those teams are already locked in a pennant race and their backs are often against the wall in terms of positional need. I tend to think the better deals are made by sellers at the deadline. Additionally, there is often the half year service time difference for soon to be FA’s (ie Atl got Tex for 2 pennant races instead of one had a deal been made this winter)

by Topgun22 on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ha!

Both Yankees and Red Sox are desperate for catchers. Posada and Varitek’s days as everyday catchers are dwindling. Varitek’s a FA after this season. Posada’s done for the year. And which team is stocked with young catchers? Us! I think we’re in pretty good position to trade at least one of those for some good young pitching.
I’d hate to lose TT and MaxRam, though.

by chrisR on Jul 29, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply reply