The Red Sox covet Teagarden
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 1:26 PM CDT
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The Rangers are one of the only teams with catching depth in Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Gerald Laird, Taylor Teagarden and Max Ramirez, and nearly eight teams have been trying to deal for one. The Yankees are one of several clubs in on Laird, and Boston is in on Teagarden.
This is much more realistic than the Michael Young talk.
This is the most specific rumor I've seen relating to Boston's desire for not just a Rangers catcher, but Taylor Teagarden specifically. Gammons is pretty reliable especially when it comes to the Red Sox since he has so many sources there so I believe his claim that the Sox want him. Now the question becomes this:
Let me first say that I think Teagarden has the most value out of any of the Rangers' catchers and he is the one Rangers catcher I really don't want to trade. Saying that, is Michael Bowden enough for Taylor Teagarden? I honestly don't think he is. I think the Rangers should hold out for Bowden + another arm (Hagadone)? I would also ask about trading Guardado and Teagarden for Clay Buchholz however I do not believe he can be had, even for those two. If so, that's a no-brainer though. Thoughts?
Also, if Teagarden is moved to Boston and Laird is traded as well to say Florida, would you want to keep Max and Salty as our permanent catchers or would you instead be in favor of moving one of those two in the offseason?
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IF nothing happens
with any player i’m going to be severely disappointed.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way
out of the 4, i really hope we keep Teagarden.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
And it doesn’t surprise me that he is the one that Boston would target.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
TE: Who should I go after?
BJ: Duh, it’s easy…Teagarden.
TE: K.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
the one guy that I hope we keep is Max, and I’d like to see him paired with one of the better defensive catchers – preferably Teagarden.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+2
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tea
One has to think that his value is higher than any of the catchers right now. I still think MaxRam has the most potential at the plate, but I think he’s truly most valuable if he can platoon with Teagarden.
That said, Teagarden is probably the only one that could return someone truly special (and I think it would take that, with Tom “I love UT” Hicks running the show…)
by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happens when a guy is traded
who is on the olympic roster? Would they be trying to get him for next year?
by Goyogringo on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
end of this year and beyond
He’ll be back in September
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 29, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
with that platoon. we could put maxram behind the plate when team that doesnt steal much is the opponent then have maxram at DH the other times
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
laird
why is everyone so down on laird? if all these all teams want him, why should the rangers trade him? he is a proven major league catcher.
by un_ambassador on Jul 29, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why keep the guy that is going to cost the most if you can get close to replacement value for alot less with alot more potential?
by laxtonto on Jul 29, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how Laird is playing this season
but I’m not 100% sure his bat is for real. I wouldn’t mind keeping him long term but I think we have him right now at his peak value (assuming his hammy is 100%).
by northtexan95 on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his bat may not be good but hes great behind the plate
and if we’re not gonna have good pitching we need good defense to help out our pitching
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because we have a heavy surplus at one position and a heavy deficet at another
and the other guys are locked up longer.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that many people are down on Laird.
They just realize we have a ton of depth at catcher, so if someone wants to give us a nifty prospect for him, it’s a good move.
by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden doesn't impress me.
How about Hagadone and Reddick? Too much?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about we just don't trade TT?
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
homer
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden is much further along in the development process
in AAA now, while Hagadone is still in A-ball. JD has stated that he wants pitching that is near mlb ready or mlb already. Bowden has received mixed reviews despite his success though so I’m unsure as well.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see
JD trading both Laird and Teagarden.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 29, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see him trading either..
they are still (at least in perception) on the fringe of competiting for a playoff spot. For a starting ML catcher, Larid is still cheap and fairly competitive statistically wise with the league norms. that is why so many teams want him. I don’t thing they really want to run the rest of the season with Salty based on what he’s shown so far.
Now, IF either Laird or TT can bring back a 1-3 starter as part of a package, they should do it, but if they will trade their most reliable and productive (at least currently) starting catcher when it’s 105 and there are empty seats is another matter entirely.
Jeff Henn is an idiot.
by Red Shoe Fan on Jul 29, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are not in the playoff race
it was a stretch at 7 and a half.
its dead now.
and we certainly arnt beating 2 of 3 of yankees/sox/rays and then the runner up in the central AND oakland.
its over.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i agree fully...
Notice that I said “at least in perception”. This team is done for the playoffs this year, but the franchise as a whole is in a very good place for the future i.e. 2009-2011.
I just believe that at the end of the day, the perception of the common ticket-buying fan will factor in to things too much in the short term. I’m not saying it’s right, but I do think that is what will happen.
They shold keep in mind the hopefully not-too-distant day when RBIA and its neighbor Jerry-Wold can both host very competitive teams that in really in pursuit of a championship.
Jeff Henn is an idiot.
by Red Shoe Fan on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not over
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the deal...
The one catcher I want the Rangers to keep is Teagarden. If they want him they will have to blow me out of the water- Teagarden for Masterson and Bowden
by baylorbear82 on Jul 29, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no no no
never never never never.
you jump on Bowden for Teagarden.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
You don’t. Replace TT with Salty and you have my attention.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a fricking UT bias.
All of you who think that are ignorant.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hit 'em Wreck 'em.
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by HaoleKlaus on Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden is the only one of the group...
that I’d really be disappointed to see leave…
by N41D on Jul 29, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Max Ramirez
is going to be an impact run producer, if you aren’t disappointed when he leaves – you will be when he is raking for somebody else.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is he a catcher?
Or am I trading a guy that will be a DH a couple of years from now? If he sticks behind the plate, it obviously makes it more difficult to swallow. But I just don’t know if I see it.
by N41D on Jul 29, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to be a middle of the order masher
Max has huge value if he sticks behind the plate or not. A comparable minor league masher was just traded for CC Sabathia. Max is the RH power bat that this team needs going forward and I wouldn’t move him unless it was for a bonafide ace caliber minor league arm, like say a top 20 pitching prospect in all of baseball.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
word
Max is everything you’d want from a hitter, high LD%, good FB tendencies, performance, batting eye, high average and now good power. I’m not sure he’s not our best hitting prospect (and yes, that includes Davis and Smoak)
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I have wondered if Max was a better hitting prospect than CD, but after seeing CD’s debut it is hard to say that anybody is a better offensive prospect.
Anyway, I think we both value Max similarly.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked pretty good
when he was up with us. you’ve got to think he can get better…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for...
trading Laird and Salty…
and keeping Max and Tea…only under LIMITED circumstances should those guys be leaving.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on Jul 29, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+ Juan billion.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just felt an earthquake...
craziness
by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
los angeles?
I’m in L.A. We had a (maybe 5.8) earthquake about 5 minutes ago. I’m in a highrise and, man, it was freaky.
by Hubris on Jul 29, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awww I missed the biggest one in L A in years..
I’m in Chicago. The biggest one I ever felt in L A was a 4.2 and that was over in 2 seconds. I’d kinda like to feel a real one as long as it’s not too big :) just so I can say I experienced a decent sized one.
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MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 29, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like
it was centered around Diamond Bar. Frankly I am unimpressed with 5.8. It didn’t last too long, but the building swayed for about a minute.
by Hubris on Jul 29, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
I hope you’re on one of the lower floors.. I’d be bolting out of that building soooo fast.
Imagine Uncle Milty after he heard the Royals announcer talking shit about him.
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 29, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
43rd floor
of a 51 floor building. It’s not the first earthquake I’ve been in, but it’s the first since I’ve been in L.A. and it’s the biggest I’ve been in.
by Hubris on Jul 29, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh shit..
so much for bolting out of the bldg… you may want to wear a construction hat to work the next few days.
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 29, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in San Diego
Getting ready for lunch as the room shook for about 20 seconds. I’ve never felt one close like you just did though. Don’t know if I’d like anything more than a little shake
by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
California!
The state that greets you with a firm shake!
by northtexan95 on Jul 29, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was hoping
for a 10.0. Only shot I see of the Rangers making the playoffs this year.
"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain
by DJCahill on Jul 29, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels are in Boston.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anaheim needs to not exist anyways
win-win situation
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the advantages and disadvantages
of tyring to trade 2 of these guys during the winter meetings? Would we be more likely to get better prospect packages then or now?
by Goyogringo on Jul 29, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to put forth your best efforts
To get rid of one right now. Preferably Laird, as his name is the one popping up the most it seems like. I say you package Salty in a big deal over the offseason, because I think that is a more realistic time to better gauge his value and get him out of here in a big deal for a SP. But that’s me.
I also think TT is the C of the future, and I’ve said it from day one (and NOT because he is a UT product). So in my mind, he and Max are the two you keep, and the other two need to go. In my opinion, Laird is the one that we really push hard to trade by Thursday.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 29, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
winter meetings
Also during the off season more teams are involved then just at the trading deadline. More teams bidding usually means a higher return.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only guy with more value now
I would imagine, is Laird. It is funny that Teagarden’s name has even come up this summer. As for Salty, I would imagine teams are just trying to buy low on him.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that is another factor
JD has to consider: Can I get a better offer (than this pretty good offer) for one of these guys during the offseason? If the answer is yes then I hope they do their dealing during the break.
by Goyogringo on Jul 29, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT
at the winter meetings many teams are willing to go into the season being overly optimistic about the options they already have in place. Seems to me the returns are always higher at the trade deadline.
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is also a place
where teams are most overly optimistic about their own prospects, making it harder to get young players back.
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deadline..
Teams are often in desperation mode at the deadline. Sure there are less teams bidding (usually), but those teams are already locked in a pennant race and their backs are often against the wall in terms of positional need. I tend to think the better deals are made by sellers at the deadline. Additionally, there is often the half year service time difference for soon to be FA’s (ie Atl got Tex for 2 pennant races instead of one had a deal been made this winter)
by Topgun22 on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Both Yankees and Red Sox are desperate for catchers. Posada and Varitek’s days as everyday catchers are dwindling. Varitek’s a FA after this season. Posada’s done for the year. And which team is stocked with young catchers? Us! I think we’re in pretty good position to trade at least one of those for some good young pitching.
I’d hate to lose TT and MaxRam, though.
by chrisR on Jul 29, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden
Despite our sacred Carrollton connection, I do not see why everyone here covets Teagarden. He is almost two years older than Salty and is putting up similar numbers, only in AAA. I know he is a solid defensive catcher, and Salty is not, so I can see how that factors into it. But from what I have heard, a lot of Teagarden’s value is in his intrinsic qualities (passion and knowledge of the game, constant desire to get better, etc), but I have heard all of those same things about Bowden. If the Red Sox offered Bowden for Teagarden, I do it, quickly.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I completely agree. In fact, it seems to me that TT is the 4th of the catchers in terms of possible future stardom. The fact that he’s had injury problems hasn’t even been mentioned. It’s hard to be a strong defensive catcher if his arm has fallen off.
by texnykazrus on Jul 29, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has been a full-time catcher this year
with only a few games missed due to arm fatigue. I’m not sure his previous injury will affect his longevity; he’s not a pitcher so maybe it is not a real factor. And to be accurate, TG is only 1 year 4months older so I don’t think their age helps or hurts when weighed vs one another. For this team, I take the best defensive catcher and I think that is TG.
by Goyogringo on Jul 29, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard conflicting reports about bowden's repertoire
From red sox fans (obviously biased and overblown projections), ive heard he’s got a 92-93 mph fb, but from other sites ive seen he throws 88-92. I did hear that he has a good hard 12-6 curve and circle change however. Maybe i have the biggest anti east coast bias, but i am always afraid to trade for east coast pitching prospects.
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jul 29, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From an old KLaw Chat:
Ryan :Massachusetts: Hey Keith, when you saw Michael Bowden do think you may have seen him on an off day? What was his fasball sitting at? Finally Can you share your thoughts on Michael Almanzar if you have any opinions.SportsNation Keith law: 88-91. Funny story – two scouts I saw on the Cape saw my chat last week and told me they saw exactly what I saw, average fastball with below-average command. One even thanked me for countering the hype on Bowden (not that I had any intention of doing that – just told you guys what I saw). Haven’t seen Almanzar.
by BHill on Jul 29, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden
Whenever I hear his name, in spite of the eye-popping numbers (excluding GO:AO), I remember that very Law quote.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I share that concern
but Bowden really impressed me with his showing in Lancaster last year. That is a pitcher’s hell, and he really seemed to learn how to pitch from that experience. I also have heard his fastball can run under 90 at times, but all reports indicate he has exceptional secondary stuff and a solid understanding about how to pitch.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what worries me about Bowden
.249 BABIP, despite a decently high LD% (around 15)
3% HR/FB. And a pretty low XBH/FB to go along with that.
He’s still been a great pitcher this year, but not nearly as good as his numbers show. I think it’s obvious he’s figured out how to throw to AA hitters, but I’m not sure how well his combination of repetoire and luck will hold up in the more advanced leagues.
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this trade went down (TT for Bowden)
anyone thinking the Rangers got a future ace would be in for a letdown. but i still think bowden could emerge as a solid 2 or 3 for this team, and there is something to be said for a cheap middle of the rotation guy, especially for this franchise.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh definately
Bowden has a lot of things to like – that amazing K%, great walk rate and the such, but he’s not the Ace that a lot of red sox fans and his AA numbers make him out to be
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
Taylor knows how to play defense, is great working with pitchers, and calls a good game.
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by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pina
For those that fear were losing the best defensive catcher, really that is wrong. Teagarden is 2nd best to Pina who is widely regarded as best catcher and when his bat catches up with it will be all star type. Only thing I fear about trading Tea is trading him at a low point, with mediocre numbers in Triple A and now going to Olympics who knows.
by gamerabcd on Jul 29, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
batting numbers
I don’t think the Red Sox would be trading for TT because of his bat.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 29, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"when his bat catches up with it will be all star type."
Are you still talking about Pina there?
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well?
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all this bowden talk
could but moot, because apparently the Rangers could have targeted him last year and instead went after Beltre and two “lesser” prospects. Also telling is that Boston apparently offered him for a rental of Gagne, which tells you how they value him.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowden's Improvement
Compare his AA numbers last year to this year and you can see why people are talking about him. He has an ERA a full run lower and is now at a higher level this year compared to last year. Granted he’s only played 2 games at AAA so far, but he’s shown improvement from where he was last year at this time.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
preferring beltre last year
didnt mean they didnt like bowden at all.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but i think it is telling that they chose a package based around an 18 kid who was struggling in low A ball over a pitcher who has just put up crazy good numbers in the best hitters’ park in baseball. that said, they reasons for coveting Beltre have made themselves more apparent this year, so you may be right.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
“Also telling is that Boston apparently offered him for a rental of Gagne, which tells you how they value him.” Bowden’s stock has risen in the past year.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it has
it can’t be by much. i feel like i have read a number of negative things about Bowden this year from “baseball people”. Granted, because of the rise of Buccholz and Masterson to the majors, Bowden now finds himself the top pitching prospect for the Red Sox and therefore the focus of much hype among casual baseball fans.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Taylor get traded to Boston?
I just got a text message that he was traded but I am not sure if it is a joke or not. If it is, I am both happy and sad at the same time…
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by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haven't seen anything official
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a Text message from who?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD
of course
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by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He repplied back...
That the deal is almost done and it will be Taylor for Masterson. As a Red Sox, as much as I love Taylor, I soooooo hope that isn’t true!
From one of my friends…he is usually spot on about this stuff so if he says it I usually believe it. I thought he may have been teasing me because of the Taylor/Red Sox angle (Taylor is my 2008 favorite Redhawk) but he swears he isn’t.
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by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dammit
if true that kinda sucks. But, I also like Masterson a lot.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Masterson
is a groundout/strikeout pitcher. He was rushed a bit and has struggled in the big leagues so far, but i think he could end up being a very solid middle of the rotation guy, and you have to love that groundball rate.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Masterson
is a two pitch pitcher without plus velocity or command. I think it is unlikely that he has a career as a ML starter.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer Bowden
but Masterson is not bad. I would like to think, a others have stated, that if this was legit, a young kid (although not on Beltre’s level) might be included as well.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well opinions vary
But if Masterson is the best SP prospect that we can get for Teagarden, I’d rather keep him. I’m very wary of guys with below average velocity (average FB velocity is 88mph) and only 2 pitches.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always heard
he was a 3 pitch guy, with a changeup/slider/FB combo
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he throws FB/slider
95% of the time.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he has the ability to throw the changeup
it’s not about what he uses now, really, but about if he can develop that change into an effective 3rd pitch
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his third pitch
is a work in progress change up. he could have used some more time in AAA to work on it, but the Sox called him up to make a spot start and he stuck (a la the Rangers with Harrison).
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every two pitch pitcher
has a third pitch that is in development. I think it would be a mistake to just assume that the change will develop adequately. I’m sure he has been working on it his entire minor league career and it is still not advanced enough that he can throw it more than 5% of the tiime. Sometimes pitches appear out of nowhere for a young pitcher and sometimes they never do. I just think it is a mistake to assume that this guy can be a starter when all he has to work with, at this point, is a FB and a slider.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Masterson
it really depends on which year you buy, 2007 made him look like a fringe guy, but 2008 has been very good for him so far
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in part due to BABIP
I see several red flags here.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2038&position=P
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His K/9 also jumped big time, though
I think Scott Feldman may be a good comp
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
despite Feldman’s solid year so far, that sort of dampens the mood a bit. i think he projects better than Feldman.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
decent K rate, more walks then you’d like, HR rate is pretty consistently high, but great groundball rates and durable.
Sounds like Scott Feldman to me
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds about right
And I don’t think that type pitcher is worth Teagarden. Too many doubts about those types being able to stick in a rotation.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Can you imagine getting back Feldman for TT?
That would be awful….
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad deal
I bet JD gets a latin guy out of it too
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not...
That’s what he said. I really don’t see it happening but he sounds pretty definite. I’d like to think my Sox aren’t that dumb though…
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before everyone gets excited...
Keep in mind it’s a text from a friend and totally unconfirmed. I didn’t notice where he got his info from so keep it with a grain of salt until someone with more knowledge than me announces it!
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha too late
thanks for the warning however.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where the hell is Miles...
I wonder if his Cinci “inside sources” have the word yet.
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 29, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
XM Radio...
Is where Jeff heard it. Sorry for the uproar, but I’m thinking there is smoke but no fire since if it was really “almost complete” you have to figure it would have been announced by now.
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden
Can someone explain to me how they could value him above the other three options. What am I missing?
He’s been pretty bad at the plate this year, continued to show he’s injury prone, and is older than Salty. How much can his defense really count?
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on Jul 29, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
better defensively then all 3. Calls better games.
Very knowledgeable behind the plate. Best hitting eye of the 4. Solid all around. He alone should get more than Masterson, but that’s just me.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would contend
that Salty is a more disciplined guy than TT, but yeah, his bat is very much like Salty’s and his glove is unmatched. That’s why folks prefer TT as the catcher of the future
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he still has some offensive potential
i think he would be a decent starting catcher today… there are defensive guys with no offensive potential looked at as ok catchers. teagarden has some patience and some power, hes not a black hole offensively.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from a sox site, so take it for what its worth
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good deal...
Thanks…
Another innings-eater probably isn’t a bad thing…
by N41D on Jul 29, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD type of pitcher
his best is a phenomenal plus-sinker with an excellent heavy drop… he can vary its speed from 84-94 mph, catching many hitters off balance… His mix of pitches results in a high groundball-to-flyball ratio, getting a lot of double plays… Prepares well for every game and pitches with confidence on the mound… Strong character, Masterson is one of the most likable persons and teammates going… he’s struggled a bit the third time through lineups.
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/masterson-justin.htm
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that last bit worries me...
sounds like Kam Loe…no thanks, not for one of our catchers.
by 8legs2fangs on Jul 29, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From watching him a few times
He reminds me a lot of Kameron Loe, only much better. If that makes any sense.
by dieselT8 on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from BA:
The Future: The Red Sox will send Masterson to Triple-A as a starter but envision him becoming a big league reliever. He has the power sinker and the mentality to close games, though in Boston he’d be a set-up man for Jonathan Papelbon.
by BHill on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many
power sinker guys are closers? Doesn’t seem like the ideal profile for that.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really hope we keep teagarden
because of his defensive ability but if we do trade him we better get a damn good pitcher
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 29, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where do people stand?
If the Masterson-Teagarden deal actually goes through, are the masses generally happy with that swap or miffed that we didn’t get a better P? Are there any better pitching prospects that would be available from Boston in a bigger package type deal (no idea who else we would offer them, so don’t ask me to suggest)?
by CS3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It depends on
who else we get, because I think for sure JD would get another latin throw in guy
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, i replied to the wrong comment
well
if that’s what you can get for the 2nd best catcher in the minors, well…kinda underwhelming. But, again, I like Masterson, i hope he’s part of a 2 player package…atleast.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be very disappointed
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 29, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its at the low end of acceptable
id hope for better
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turrible, just turrible
Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .
by Brian Thomas on Jul 29, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks charles
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Ranger fans undervalue their prospects and players. I have definitive proof. Everyone here assumes that the Rangers can’t get a top-tier pitching prospect for Teagarden. Meanwhile, at ESPN’s site in the comments on the deadline blog, they assume that Texas will settle for nothing less than at top pitching propspect for any of their catchers. And many propose dealing Buchholz for Teagarden.
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who is assuming that?
We were told this from someone…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
The people who want to trade Teagarden straight up for Masterson, a reliever. I would take Masterson, plus something else…maybe Bowden, but I have read that his stuff is pretty average, so maybe not him.
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on Jul 29, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who wants to trade them straight up for each other?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read the Sons of Sam Horn board
and they think that Buchholz is fair game, fwiw…
I’d be shocked at that – not because I undervalue our prospects, but because Boston overvalues theirs. That and the Rangers just don’t get guys like Buchholz in trades. It just defies my entire lifetime experience following this team. The Rangers trade for Rob Bell’s curveball…
by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will shed tears of joy for bucchholz
that would be the biggest coup in my lifetime.
so, it will never happen
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Jul 29, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah
if JD gets Bucholz, I’m getting a Jon Daniels Tatoo
by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
diggin the ray ban polarized shades
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jul 29, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the futures so bright....
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Obviously, if the Rangers were to get Buchhloz something would go wrong. He’d get arrested again, his arm would fall off, the Mafia would put a contract on him, he’d be hit by a meteor or abducted by aliens…something.
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on Jul 29, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its overvalue one day, undervalue the next......
make up your mind haters.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they don't know anything about baseball obviously....
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to sound like a dumb ass, but...
Is there anything reasonable combination to try to get Buchholz? Please don’t say something that the Rangers won’t do, like “Yeah. TT, Feliz, Andrus, and getting Beltre back.” You can just say no.
by CS3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
had Ortiz been injured for a longer amount of time, a Bradley + Teagarden deal would have made Boston think. But since Ortiz is healthy, I don’t think Texas has anything more than a catcher to get Boston’s interest
by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it goes without saying
that you’d do that deal.
no way rangers get pitching without giving up pitching. one of those young arms would be going the other way.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Jul 29, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if they really do trade Manny...
You can get them interested in that package again as the clock winds down…
by N41D on Jul 29, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how far above bucholz feliz is now.
feliz has to be getting up there.
anyway.. i dont know. TT, Beavan and a filler guy they happen to like?
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
er, how far bucholz is above feliz that is.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not very much
if at all. Feliz has legitimate helium right now. if the tex trade were to happen this year, i am not sure if we could have Feliz for Tex straight up.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that trade would be interesting
because we would trade two guys who grew up in Irving and Carrollton, albeit for a guy who also grew up in TX. I don’t know why, but I like having local guys on the team. It certainly helps from a marketing/PR perspective, which this team desperately needs.
by clark on Jul 29, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buchholz
yea, i think bradley +teagarden +lemon for manny + buchholz. boston wants someone to take manny lol
by sanangelofan on Jul 29, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
deal
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat
Is there a team option on Manny? or is he signed through next year?
by Hull Fan on Jul 29, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres a team option
but i think he’s got a no trade clause, and he’ll waive it only if he knows the option won’t be picked up.
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jul 29, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'd reassure him of that.
Take manny for the year as a salary dump for Boston. So in essence the trade is Hamilton for Lester/Buchholtz. I’d miss Hamilton and wish him well, but I’d trade him for those two guys.
by Hull Fan on Jul 29, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Red Sox fan asked me if I would trade Hamilton for:
1. Manny Ramirez
2. Clay Buccholz
3. Any Red Sox Prospect I Want
4. Any Other Red Sox Prospect I Want
He was serious.
by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would trade him for
Beckett and Manny.
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
manny
with his problems and the $ he is making, he has negative value in my mind
by sanangelofan on Jul 29, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he gone at the end of the season?
Can’t see him doing that much damage.
by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Lester still count as a prospect?
Just curious
by CS3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I asked him.
He said yes.
He really, really wanted to make this trade.
by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes me sick to say it, but
yes. For Lester, Buchholz, Manny (Two draft picks) and our choice of a prospect, I’d do it.
by CS3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
....id have to consider it.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take out manny and put in Youk
and I’ll do it.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
draft pics
i am not sure you would get the 2 draft pics if you decline the option. not sure though
by sanangelofan on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do
as long as you offer arbitration afterward you can decline the option and still get the picks
by CS3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you still offer arbithation
can you still offer it if you decline the option or deos he just attomatically become a free agent?
by sanangelofan on Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that
just depends on the pics then. ;-)
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pics
i like the pics of buchholtz girlfriend
by sanangelofan on Jul 29, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that
It’d hurt…but I’d do it.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind've hard, because I've fallen so much in love with Hamilton.
But that trade would make the organization so much stronger.
by philkid3 on Jul 29, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Here you go…
1. Manny
2. Buchholz
3. Bowden
4. Ellsbury
by sftxfan on Jul 29, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
That’s pretty good.
I’d probably substitute Lester for Bowden.
And heck yeah, I’d definitely trade Hamilton for Manny, Buchholz, Lester, and Ellsbury.
Especially, since it’s starting to look like Hamilton will be a RF…. I mean I understand the sentiment of having a guy you want to root for, but come on you’re basically getting 2/5 of the FRONT end of your starting rotation, a real CF, and a LF who’s still performing quite well for a 27-yo future-RF-to-be.
You HAVE to do this trade 100 times out of a 100.
R
by Requiem on Jul 29, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do it for Manny/Buchholz/Lester
I don’t even need Elsbury. I’d miss Hammy, but I don t know if the Rangers have ever had two guys like Lester and Buchholz in their rotation at the same time.
Add that Hamilton is still an injury-risk and as you say probably a RF, you do that deal in a heartbeat.
by JBImaknee on Jul 29, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that trade
But I’d take Lester instead of Bowden and they can keep Ellsbury but I want another high ceiling prospect maybe at a lower level.
Manny, Buchholz, Lester, and a prospect.
You have to make that deal, no matter how great hamilton is.
by Hull Fan on Jul 29, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our catchers...
I have no problem trading any of them for a pitcher. I think Teagarden will be the lightest hitting catcher of our 4, but will bring back the most due to all of the hype surrounding his other parts of his game.
This is why I can see him being traded…however I think this is the type of deal that is more than likely to happen in the offseason.
by clinton33 on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where does Salty fit in on these trade talks? Has his stock fallen off the table with his poor BA and weak defense?
II Cor. 4:17-18
by TedFord on Jul 29, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think...
teams asking for Salty will probably try to lowball us…knowing that his talent exceeds what he has shown this year, which is probably why he will stay put.
by clinton33 on Jul 29, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Teagarden
is the Flavor of the Month
Pitch counts are for the ignorant.
by SteveP on Jul 29, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You trade Laird now and then get back
to the Sox and everyone else this winter. You can’t really trade another catcher till you know what you’re going to do with Milton. If he’s in RF then Ramirez is DHing. If Milton leaves then again Rameriz is DHing and you need both Salty and Tea. I don’t think you can make a decision till you know for sure what’s going to happen with Bradley and whether he’ll be healthy enough to play in the outfield, if he’s here at all that is.
by Hull Fan on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TT for Masterson
wouldn’t surprise me, and wouldn’t necessarily upset me either, but at the same time I wouldn’t be doing backflips. TT seems overvalued on this blog to me. The Rangers would get what seems to be to me a solid, young, consistent 3 or 4 starter for an unproven bad offensively, good defensively catcher from a group of four solid catchers. We can afford to give up a catcher or two for something we NEED, consistent starting pitching. And even if the worst case scenario becomes true, Tea becomes an all-star for the Sox, it still doesn’t bother us that much because surely one of our other 3 catchers will be a solid catcher at that point in time as well, plus we got what seems to be an adequate to solid middle-of-the-rotation starter.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what?
Is TT for Masterson going down Jamey? give me the inside scoop…
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, God, nooooooooooo!
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on Jul 29, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd
be ok with it.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just sad
that everyone’s chomping at the bit so hard. JD has cultured us to expect stuff.
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad....
....that her text message has generated this much hype.
I’m sure she’s rubbing her hands together with a hearty “Bwaaah-ha-ha!” right now.
by Jamey Newberg on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
poop
you got me excited.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey....
...just make up a trade rumor, and we can get whoop-dee-do excited all over again! The poop will drop down soon enough, but until then, whoopeee!!!!
by Jamey Newberg on Jul 29, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey this is kind of like work
sometimes we would make up a rumor right before we would leave for our weekend, just so we would see how it would turn out by the time we came back to work. made for some great fun.
by jas003 on Jul 29, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought she was part of your crew
that’s why I thought there might be some validity to this…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha, thanks for the update.
not sure why I thought that then…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not either...
Because as Jamiey says, no way…I’m an inidividual and part of no one’s “crew”.
I tried to make it clear (after my initial shock) that it was a text message from a friend and that I am not even sure that I believe him…it’s just info that was thrown out for people to think about but not take seriously until a trade actually happens.
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
“it’s just info that was thrown out for people to think about but not take seriously until a trade actually happens.”
Don’t worry I won’t take anything you say seriously in the future…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Yawn*
This time of year EVERYTHING generates this much hype…heck, I’ve even heard that some people are sending out 3-4 e-mails a day with the same type of speculation about all sorts of players…
http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers
For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)
by Beverly23 on Jul 29, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Same type of speculation"
Ken Rosenthal, Keith Law, Peter Gammons…
A friend’s text message…
Yep.
by Jamey Newberg on Jul 29, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but it's okay
because in the past her “friend” has usually been right about these types of things….
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
TT for masterson or bowden? Please, I might rank TT third on my personal list of our catchers (though that is severely biased and may not be accurate) and I still would not do that trade. Those guys are decent but overrated and would have to get another significant prospect back, like kalish, reddick good (doubt they would do anderson).
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
by rchawk12 on Jul 29, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is making Jamey a sad panda???
Tell me!!!!
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a south park fan?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Tex to Angels
Kotchman for Teixeira in works
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 | Print Entry
Posted by Jayson Stark
Angels first baseman Casey Kotchman was pulled off the field during pregame warmups this afternoon at Fenway Park. And there are strong indications he is about to be traded to the Braves for Mark Teixeira, according to a source with knowledge of those discussions. Details are still being finalized, and additional, lesser names are expected to be involved. But Kotchman for Teixeira is the core of this deal.
by laxtonto on Jul 29, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cool
mortgage the future for this half-season Angels! We’re not going to beat you this season anyway.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 29, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
they already have a WS and chance of winning another one this year. + they have deep pockets and a young rotation. they arent going anywhere anytime soon.
by kumizi on Jul 29, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels
They have an outfield that makes about 50 million dollars a year and averages about 34 years old. Depending on what they have to part with for Tex that young rotation may take a hit. This is obviously a move to win the WS this year because they are practically assured of at least a playoff spot.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels
will get 2 firsts…that’s not bad at all.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 29, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
If NY signs Teixeira and CC, they could get a supplemental first and a late second. That’s okay and all, but not two firsts. And in reality, a late first and a supplemental pick really isn’t two firsts either.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY
This would be awesome.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
per Will Carroll
Hearing “very close” on an Angels deal. Kotchman is definitely part of it, but also hearing that none of the Angels top prospects is included in their offer. (Stunner eh?) Will Ohman may be involved as well. All I have now.
by BHill on Jul 29, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Jayson Stark:
“The latest: A second source with knowledge of these discussions says the Braves will get Kotchman, plus a second lesser name, for Teixeira in a 2-for-1 deal.”
by CS3 on Jul 29, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now from Keith Law:
“Confirmed: Mark Teixeira to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and Double-A left-handed pitcher Stephen Marek.”
by CS3 on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...
If true, I can’t wait to play the Angels again… Pluck Teixeira in his ribs the first time he comes to the plate.
by N41D on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the first time?
more like every time. Make sure padzilla’s pitching, with feldman ready to back him up with a punch to tex’s underarm.
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jul 29, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Neftali Feliz
just to hit him with a 100 mph fastball.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 29, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to be...
very overwhelmed to deal TT, MaxRam, or even Salty right now.
If the BoSox wanted TT then it would have to be a Board Game, TT, prospect for Buchholz type deal and they aren’t going to deal Buchholz.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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