Teixeira apparently traded to Angels
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
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PrintThe Ticket is reporting the deal now. I'll update with a documented source when it's confirmed.
The deal appears to involve Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek. Kotchman is having a down year, but I'm pretty happy that one of the potentially good long term bats is out of Anaheim. Marek was ranked by Baseball America as LA's #6 prospect in the spring, though he's moved to the bullpen this season in AA, to mediocre results.
UPDATE: ESPN's updated story on the deal
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Wow,
I think we did much better for Tex. Of course, we could offer him at 1.5 yrs rather than half a year (actually around 50-60 games). But there may be a good chance he signs with the Angels.
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
We did substantially better
I think the deal on the table from the Angels last year was Kotchman + Saunders/Santana + a kid or two. Basically, they don’t get the pitcher in the deal.
I agree with Z though – I’d rather see Tex in Anaheim for two months than Kotchman there long-term.
not after
signing GMJ and Torii Hunter! letting them go is turning out to pay off dividends for us…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
We did MUCH better.
Not even close.
As I said in the other thread, for a team that’s out of contention I don’t think three years of Kotchman is a bad exchange for two months of Teixeira, but I can’t beleive they couldn’t get more.
they were probably hoping that Papi didn't make it back
or the Rays would offer top pitching prospects…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The grade on this deal depends solely on whether or not Teixeira resigns.
If he resigns, it’s a pretty good deal for the Halos.
If he walks after this season, this is a terrible deal for LAA.
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
We all know he's going to walk though
HAHAHAHAHA
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
But this ensures they won't win the WS
Remember, Tex is not a winner. /sarcasm/
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 29, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
really?
It seems like it’d be a pretty good deal if the go on to win the World Series this season.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
He is good for this year.
But if they don’t win it all, and Kotchman continues on the path he’s heading on, this is going to be a terrible deal for LAA.
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
Correct
Calculated risk…but a “value” trade for a strong window of opportunity.
I Stole The Red Finger !
This is defentialy a deal you do for this year
and it is still not like they gave away the farm to get him.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it
from the Angel’s perspective, and hate it if Im the Braves. Mainly, due to what they gave away last yr.
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
by booyahcaveman on Jul 29, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I was speaking from the Angles perspective.
Yeah, if I am a Braves fan I have a big WTF look on my face right now.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh i was just agreeing with you
The angels seem to still have a pretty decent system. Plus if Tex leaves then 1B is one of the easier positions to fill IMO.
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
by booyahcaveman on Jul 29, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that they like this deal at Talking Chop
from one commentor:
oh fuck am i pissed. i caused such a scene in the bar i was in that i almost got kicked out.
by the way, steven marek is a reliever. A MOTHERFUCKING RELIEVER. WE TRADED THE BEST MOTHERFUCKING PLAYER ON THE MARKET FOR A FIRST BASEMAN WHO CAN’T HIT A DINGER OR TAKE A WALK AND A FUCKING AA RELIEVER
Kind of made me laugh
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"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
sunk cost
I understand your point, but what they gave away last year can’t have any bearing on their actions right now.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
Yeah
but it just further substantiates that they overpaid last yr.
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
by booyahcaveman on Jul 29, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
if i was a braves fan i would be super pissed off
gave up a huge amount of talent for him last year, and all you get out of it is casey kotchman and a not much of a prospect i would of rather had the draft picks.
Feliz
is really the difference maker if I’m a Braves fan. Saltalamacchia and Andrus are nice players, but Feliz would be the one that would make me sick about this exchange.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh.
As z said, Kotchman is a potential beast, and supposedly Marek ain’t bad. So I wouldn’t say that they got nothing.
However…Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Beau Jones and Matt Harrison for Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek just sounds awful.
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
Correction
Casey Kotchman, Stephen Marek and Brett Devall (the guy they got with the pick they recieved for letting Mahay walk).
I love Devall.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2008 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions
weird
The Angels finally (finally) have their big bat to hit behind Vlad. Seems like they’ve been trying to accomplish that ever since Vlad became an Angel. Glad it’s only going to be for half a season. It’s going to be really weird to see Tex in a Halos jersey.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
it's going to suck.
I didn’t want Tex here anymore, but I DEFINITELY did not want to see him wear an Angel uniform…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
word
just beat me to it Z. ive got the headphones on at work and immediately started scouring for info when Ty broke in.
seems to be a pretty weak return. but, given that Tex is likely a rental and will be bolting for the East Coast in the offseason, that was probably about all they could get.
I was never all that impressed with Kotchman. but, if this results in the angels winning the WS this year, i dont think you can call it a bad deal
I guess you can look at it however you like
but I see what he did last year as more representative of his ability, and his OBP is down 45 points, SLG down 20 from last season.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
meh
he is aite. still young enough but has underachieved imo
He's not the best or anything
But he’s certainly not having a down year i don’t know why anyone would think that. I think they were just talking out of their ass.
How's Dshep's ass taste?
Yes he is having a down year.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
...
2005 LAA 47 126 16 35 5 0 7 22 61 15 18 1 1 .352 .484 .278
2006 LAA 29 79 6 12 2 0 1 6 17 7 13 0 1 .221 .215 .152
2007 LAA 137 443 64 131 37 3 11 68 207 53 43 2 4 .372 .467 .296
2008 25 LAA AL 100 373 47 107 24 0 12 54 2 1 18 23 .287 .327 .448 105 167 0 2 3 5 14
How's Dshep's ass taste?
How's Z's ass taste?
LOL
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
So
losing 45 points on you OBP and 20 on your SLG is NOT down? Okay.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Kotchman:
OPS + of 119 last yr
OPS + of 105 this yr
If that adds anything to this discussion.
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
by booyahcaveman on Jul 29, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
haha,
well played sir :-)
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
by booyahcaveman on Jul 29, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He has one more home run already in 37 less games and is going to fly by his RBI total from last year
How's Dshep's ass taste?
Uh
Kotchman is having a “down year” by any reputable statistical metric available, be it EqA, OPS or anything else.
RBI are a terrible performance evaluator. Simply terrible.
Sammy Sosa
would like to have a word with you.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
if he didn't continue to defend it...
I was going to suggest that he meant:
“he’s not having a bad year, this year is typical of his skill level”
That’s not really that true anyways.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Kotchman
2007 OPS+: 119
2008 OPS+: 105
119 > 105
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
Yes like RBIs
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
How many different forms of offensive evaluation do you want?
His ability to avoid outs is way down. His ability to produce extra bases is way down.
There’s not much more to it than that.
maybe he will resign with them
and when the angles start sucking we can watch him pout from the other dugout when the rangers are kicking their ass….i can always dream right?
So does this mean
we finally start selling? Or is mgmt still holding onto the wild card?
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
I believe JD is selling
just not giving anybody way. There is still time.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it'll be a controlled sell
A catcher or two (hopefully Laird and Salty) will be dealt, along with maybe Byrd and/or Cat and maybe a bullpen arm.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2008 4:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Over/Under
for how long it takes for Teixeira to throw Atlanta and his old teammates under the bus? I’ll set it at 2 days
That's about right
It gives him time to settle in with the Halos
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
Recap please
FbM3.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
I'm pretty scared of Tex resigning
I feel like the Angels have been one big bat away from being a potentially dominant team for awhile now. I don’t really mind him being there this year, but I think the Rangers will actually have a contending team in the next few years, and I don’t wanna have to go through this Angels team with Tex.
wild card
at least.
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
by booyahcaveman on Jul 29, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
it'd be pretty fun though
if he re-signed, and we started beating them out year after year for the division title with him as their starting 1B
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
let's hope hope hope
that teixeira walks and gets out of the west.
and besides, nothing says great guy and popular player more than playing for 4 teams in 3 years if that indeed does happen.
@least he’s leaving a pitcher’s park.
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
LOL
More of Buster Olney failure. He listed the awesome prospects the Rangers got, lauding Salty, Andrus and Harrison.
He seemed to forget someone. Can’t name him. On the tip of my tongue.
beat me by 5 seconds
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
Also called Elvis
Elvis Andrews
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
Yeah, I was confused too
It usually works the other way
+10000
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by Captain Fubar on Jul 29, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That's how Scott Garner pronounces it too
Maybe that is correct. Until I heard someone say it I thought it rhymed with bus.
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by LSBUser on Jul 29, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
probably didn't know how to say Neftali
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't have to
it’s really Nefi Perez, dood!
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Buster sucks
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that his analysis is quite lacking, and I find that his knowledge of teams who aren’t high profile is pretty weak, and even on matters outside of his Boston/NY/Bristol triangle is pretty weak.
And I think that he was basically a mouthpiece for the Yankees front office last summer.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I do think he's a talented writer.
But there’s a different between a guy who is good at telling baseball stories and offering baseball analysis. Or a guy who can tell you what it was like when he played the game and what goes on in the inside and a guy who can discuss baseball strategy and economics.
The biggest problem with ESPN is they force a guy to be all things. They have Kruk, a guy who can give wonderful insight on what it is to be a player, discuss front office matters and offer baseball analysis. They have Buster Olney, a quality reporter and good writer try and give an analysis of the game when he does very little analytical research and is clearly stuck in an antiquated view of baseball.
Marek
Don’t know if I’d call his season mediocre. He’s been walk-prone but the other peripherals are very solid. Opposing line is .222/.310/.291. That said, he’s a 24-year old AA reliever. Maybe he’s the rich man’s Andrew Laughter?
There seems to me no question that the Batman film "The Dark Knight"... is at some level a paean of praise to the fortitude and moral courage that has been shown by George W. Bush in this time of terror and war. -- Andrew Klavan
My thought is that a guy with really good stuff should basically dominate in moving to relief in AA. He just sort of kept doing what he did as a starter in the lower levels, which would seem disappointing to me. I guess his K rate is up.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I see what you mean
Mediocre or not, I don’t think he’s much to be excited about
There seems to me no question that the Batman film "The Dark Knight"... is at some level a paean of praise to the fortitude and moral courage that has been shown by George W. Bush in this time of terror and war. -- Andrew Klavan
You're right though
Just looking at it in a vacuum, a .222/.310/.291 line isn’t anything to sneeze at.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 29, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not good...
I hated to see Teixeira go at all…and really hate to see him (no matter how short) go to our divisional rivals. You seem to forget he can get it done. I know all the crap about his attitude…blah, blah, blah, but He Can Play Really Well. and to be optimistic He Can Play Bad.
Just worry if he re-signs
Because it sure as shit does not matter to us this year.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 29, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Padilla needs to smoke him in the ribs and put him on the DL. That would be funny as hell.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
wouldn't it be even better
if Harrison did it?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Teixeira trade
might not be a huge factor, but the Braves are a cost-conscious team and they’ll save $3 million+ (Tex’s ‘08 salary obligation – Kotchman’s) this year.
by Randy Richardson on Jul 29, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions
man.....
thats all they got for him. kotchman with average power and will hit about .290, but he will be a longterm firstbaseman. and a so-so AA pitcher i wouldve just kept him for half a season get the 2 draft picks and let walk into the free agent market. its not like the BRAVES are going to lay at least 20 mil a year. but at least alanta got something.
My friends who are Angels fans
Could not be more shocked or devastated. Kotchman was one of their faves and they’ve never been able to stand Tex. I dunno how they’ll cheer for him now.
Myself, I felt SICK when I heard this. Just SICK. I was fine with him being in the national league where we rarely face him, but now he’s in our division. Ugh.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
they'll get over it
when they realize Tex is better at every aspect of the game.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
They’re pretty high on Casey. They thought he had the potential to be an above average 1B.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 29, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
name a more complete first baseman in baseball.
Pujols is a better hitter, but not by such a wide range that it downplays the fact that Tex is a whiz on defense.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Pujols is better than Teixera defensively.
He’s having an off year, but for the last few years he’s been the best fielding first baseman in the game.
Yeah
everything Tex can do, Pujols can do about two times better. Everything. Pujols even uses chopsticks and parallel parks better than Tex
I think Tex has a better collection of Happy Meal toys.
And is slightly better at Wii bowling.
Other than that, yeah.
Ha ha
I’d contribute. Even though Tex used to be one of my favorite Rangers.
For the record, we play the Angels 10 more times this season.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 29, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah ...
My love for Tex waned when I heard some of the stuff he said as he was exiting the club.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 29, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a T-shirt with his name and # on it
Caling the wife now ith instructions to burn it….or wrap it around the dogs ass while she’s in heat
THE RICH GET RICHER...and the poor keep being poor
I sure as hell hope he doesn’t like it there too much and signs a long term deal.
We’re screwed if that happens.
Come on Jonny Boy do something!!!!
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
In a fanpost not too long ago...
I posed the question:
“Do you think the Braves will get a single player as good as Feliz in a trade for Teixeira this year?”
Doesn’t look like it, huh?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
One more thing...
I just posted this in one of the fanposts that just shot up about this…
But does anyone think this sets the trade market relatively low? The cost of getting Teixeira wasn’t very high.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
i think this trade makes sense
for both teams. The Braves had had HAD to trade Tex and that return isnt too terible. I think its better than the draft picks, especially for a team that never tears it down to rebuild but is always sort of ‘rebuilding’ for the next year or two while trying to stay competitive in the meantime.
I dont think the angels resign Tex, but this sure cements them as the WS favorites. They’ll have great young pitching still but their outfield is going to start looking aging, overpayed, and in decline in a hurry, so this may be the widest their window will be for a while; of course that may be a little optimistic of me since it’s nice to think the Rangers will be ascending as the Halos take a few steps down.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 29, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions
Re-signing Teixeira or Vlad
Ken Rosenthal says that their efforts to re-sign Vlad (free agent after 2009) will make it tough to re-sign Teixeira, and that they will likely use Kendry Morales at 1B if Teixeira splits.
So given the choice, where do you spend your money? Teixeira or Vlad?
I say Teixeira is a Yankee next year (they’ve got lots of salary coming of the books this year… not that it really matters for the Yanks, but it only makes it more likely).
B'more
could make a play for him, but the Yanks absolutely can and will trump their offer and I have yet to see any reason Tex wont go for the highest offer so i think youre right.
I also wonder if the Angels dont just decide to let Vlad go. He’s got an unusual body with a lot of miles on it that could decline quickly, and whats the point resigning him if they seem to be entering a period of diminished competitiveness.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 29, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Tex
I would think you would try to resign Tex over Vlad, since Vlad has no wheels anymore.
by GregoryM on Jul 30, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Tex in Angels' red
won’t be a pretty sight
at least i’ll be able to make fun of my braves-fan friends
He is supposed to be starting tomorrow according to the Angels broadcast.
by GregoryM on Jul 30, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Teix
He’ll fit right in with the douchebaggery that is the angels.
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+1000000
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by Captain Fubar on Jul 29, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
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