LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #3
by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 12:01 AM CDT
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Two landslides in a row? Is this Lonestarball or Landslideball? LOL! ... ... ... What? ... ... ... Don't look at me like that. That was a great joke. It was. I swear... Fine. I don't like you either.
Moving on to the non-hilarious segment of the post.
After capturing 65% of an even 200 votes, Neftali Feliz has won the right to be called the LSB Community #2 prospect!
The list so far:
1. Chris Davis
2. Neftali Feliz
This is where the vote starts to get really interesting. History suggest that the guy in second place (in this case, Eric Hurley) will step and win easily. But I think this might be an exception. The people who voted for a guy like Neftali would seem to be the sort who value ultimate ceiling over major league ready guys with lower-risk factors, so a lot of Neftali's votes could sprinkle elsewhere rather than just fall straight off to Hurley.
It should be good for some discussion either way :)
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me who you want on the list next.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who are currently in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect right now, so he goes on the list. It's that simple.
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isnt there another list after the season anyway?
for midseason and these guys having been up 1-3 weeks, i think they can be included. better to include them now and reevaluate the system after trades and the full milb season.
2 games over 500 please.
by DSheppard on Jul 3, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I went high ceiling again and picked Smoak
A Tex clone garners a high ranking in my book.
by Parman on Jul 3, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with a little Smoak
I have a feeling we’re all gonna feel very silly about where we rank him here when we look back.
But it’s so hard to vote for a guy who’s played zero pro games over a guy like Hurley who’s already in the bigs and showing sign he’s here to stay.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted Smoak too.
Assuming he signs, I think he’ll wind up no.1 by next year.
I was seriously thinking about Blake here though. Again, assuming his velocity begins to pick up and he can keep his BB’s insanely low, I think he’ll be right around this range next year.
by LiamP on Jul 3, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C-Wun.
Just wanted to say that.
Chris Davis is a beast.
by coolaid on Jul 3, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got a little Captain in you?
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 3, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant
If Blake’s baseball career doesn’t work out, that’s gotta be the name of his first adult film. I mean it just freaking has to.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoak
hard to vote for a guy who hasn’t even signed yet.
not that i doubt he’ll sign, it’s just one thing to have never played pro ball and another when they arent even signed to do so
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by rentz on Jul 3, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
people did w/ beavan last year
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by knockoutking on Jul 4, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Hurley, fwiw
Though I voted for him before.
I know he’s more of a medium-ceiling guy in a system brimming with sexier high-ceiling prospects, but I just love the idea of a 22 year old “sure thing” who’s already in the bigs.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 12:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
The only question is can he be a successful pitcher in Arlington? I sure hope so.
Chris Davis is a beast.
by coolaid on Jul 3, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I agree with you
I wanted to vote hurley, but I’m not sure he will reach #2 starter type in arlington, a very good number three perhaps. I also thought about smoak, main/beaven (once you vote one you are ready to vote the other as far as im concerned) and even andrus. All of those guys warranted consideration, but for those who havent figured it out yet, my vote went to….
Max Ramirez.
Okay all joking aside, because I know everyone was seriously waiting to see who I voted for, ramirez has been tearing the cover off the ball. In addition, and maybe this is because I can only compare his defense to salty for now, I’m not sure he cant stay behind the plate and play a passable catcher.
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by rchawk12 on Jul 3, 2008 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
“Nuff said.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 3, 2008 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus
Ceiling!
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
20 in AA
at a premium postion, has all the intangibles…
Probly will go Hurley then smoak..
by laxtonto on Jul 3, 2008 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Common Mistake
He will end the season at 20 though and I see him referred to as 20 all the time on this site.
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will end the year
at 20 but only by a few days
by Brett Perryman on Jul 3, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z
If you’re still in the thread, what kind of hitter do you see Smoak turning into and who do you see winning the 1B war of Davis/Smoak if it comes down to that.
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worry just a little about
his ability to make contact. That’s the thing that could keep him from being the Teixeira type that people talk about. The approach seems to be there, and he has power. I haven’t seen enough of Smoak’s defense to have my own feeling on whether he’s as good as reported, and Davis looks just fine over there. But if I had to guess, just based on what you read, probably Smoak becomes the 1B, and they form the middle of the lineup with Hamilton for at least a couple of years. Davis will have the incumbency at the position, which makes a pretty big difference for some reason.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 3, 2008 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incumbency
Well, I suppose there’s a little of the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” mentality if Davis does alright, but you have to think if Smoak is all he’s cracked up to be defensively they can find a place for Davis.
Let’s just hope they don’t repeate the stupidity of trading a major talent because they have “too many” first baseman. Being of the no one is truly untouchable camp, I was not completely against the idea of trading Gonzalez—but it would have to have been in the right deal and that certainly wasn’t it.
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by t ball on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goldstein
I noticed BP/Goldstein posted a AL West Future Shock update yesterday. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7744
Anyone wanna post the Rangers content for us non-subscribers?
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 3:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
C’mon… somebody want to chime in with the Rangers’ portion?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
moochers
Big Things In Small Packages: In Monday’s Ten Pack, the readers were re-introduced to Neil Ramirez, the 2007 supplemental first-round pick who is off to a roaring start at Spokane. However, he’s not the only Indian (yes, I know, it’s confusing) on the staff worth watching. The Rangers are always busy in Latin America, especially in terms of finding pitching, so their Northwest League affiliate has three prospect-worthy arms from the region in the rotation. While Carlos Pimentel and Wilfredo Boscan are both aggressive strike throwers with decent stuff, the best of the group is Venezuelan southpaw Martin Perez. Signed for over $500,000, 17-year-old Martin has a smallish six-foot frame, and already has three pitches that grade out as average or above. His fastball sits at 88-92 mph with good finish, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average offerings. He’s an excellent athlete with one of the smoothest deliveries in the organization, and in his first three starts has posted a 2.45 ERA. He left his most recent start with a small finger injury, but he’s worth following when he returns.Even More Pitching: All but buried in a rotation that includes top prospect Neftali Feliz and 2007 top pick Blake Beaven, six-foot-five lefty Derek Holland is making a name for himself with a 2.64 ERA in 15 starts, and generating the scouting buzz to match. Southpaws who can touch 95 mph are a rare commodity, and Holland has done that this year, although his heat usually sits in the low 90s; he’s missing bats with both his heater and a plus changeup. His slider is average, and there are some concerns about him throwing across his body, but his size and the two plus offerings have him on a lot of people’s radar these days.
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by ab03 on Jul 3, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good catch
He might be confusing his size with fellow southpaw Michael Kirkman who is probably 6’5’’.
by jparks77 on Jul 3, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's up with Zach Phillips?
Walking too many, getting knocked around, yet missing bats. Has anyone looked at him, recently?
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 3, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting that
Thought we were going to get a run down like the Angels got though :(
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sticking with hurley
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by NYTXFAN on Jul 3, 2008 4:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
By pure potential, Smoak looks to be a better bet than Hurley or Andrus..which is saying something. For this go ‘round I’ve thrown my hesitancy towards kids who haven’t shown enough (or ANY) out the window. That led me to undervalue guys like Beavan, Main, NRamirez, et al last time and I don’t want to do that this time.
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by Hypo-Luxa on Jul 3, 2008 7:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurley again
Smoak looks nice but lets see how he handles wood before we hand him the keys. I’ve liked how Hurley has looked in the bigs commanding the zone, so I think he’ll be a pretty good starter for several years which should be worth a lot.
by bushe on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurley
Went with Hurley mainly because of what hes shown in the bigs. If he hadn’t have been promoted and was still in OKC then I would have probably gone with Max because his OKC numbers just weren’t very appealing. But what hes done in the bigs bumps him up a notch. My #4 will be Max.
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by bigsteve on Jul 3, 2008 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny
How you guys picked a low A pitcher over someone who is producing at the Major League level already….
Hurley should be number 2.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto... Hurley should've been number 1
in all honesty and with no bias intended on my part.
I was a tad bit (only like a few days. But apparently diRUSHkatron couldn’t patiently wait for those of us who have another life outside of LSB) late and missed out on the LSB CPP #1 and #2 prospects
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by hurlerhurley on Jul 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oops 2
ha
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by hurlerhurley on Jul 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
diRUSHkatron
All the same we take our chances, laughed at by time, tricked by circumstances.
Eh, HH?
by shroomer on Jul 3, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 3, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Debated between Hurley and Andrus
but went with Hurley as he’s shown he can pitch in the majors…so far.
by Taylor on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess it is worth pointing out
That MaxRam has posted OBP of over 400 everywhere he has ever been. And his slugging pct has been trending up at each stop .449, .465, .500, .505, and then this year at age 23 in AA we see the big power spike (up to .662 !!!).
He looks like a middle of the order hitter with power and patience. Bats like his are exceedingly rare.
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by tricer on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
Going with the ceiling over Hurley’s seeming reliability. Hurley has had a few nice starts but we shouldn’t let that lull us into believing he’s a sure thing. I think he’ll be solid for many years, but he does have holes in his game.
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by t ball on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's Harrison?
I voted for Max, but I think Harrison should be on the list too.
by Ramon Nivarsity on Jul 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
indeed
and why is marcus lemon on there? I don’t care that people keep voting for him
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by ab03 on Jul 3, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I'd rather put guys on the list who probably don't belong yet
then leave off a guy someone wants to vote for.
Don’t see the harm.
Plus… I’m biased. I love Lemon. Lil’ Lemon is the shiznit. I doubt very seriously he’ll make the top 15, but he’s going to have a long and successful major league career as a #2 hitter.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meant to inculde him, actually
Did last time. Just an oversight. He’ll be on next time.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurley
I wouldn’t have voted for him pre-season until #6, and a month ago I’d have told you he was barely even a prospect. But he’s been solid, if not good, in all of his major league starts so far. A handful of games doesn’t guarantee future success, obviously, but it does elevate his prospect status significantly in my book. Pitching for Texas counts for far more than OKC, Frisco or anywhere else.
MaxRam is more likely to be an all-star, Elvis more likely to be a super-star, but Hurley has shown he can compete at the Big League Level. He gets my vote.
by JBImaknee on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that Hurley
is pretty much the winner on this one. #4 should be interesting in a battle between andrus, ramirez, and smoak. Although, I am in the camp that believes maybe we should get the guy signed first.
by booyahcaveman on Jul 3, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why are draftees on this list?
Last year they weren’t…
Main…
I might have voted for him on upside alone as being in the top 15. Why not give him a shot?
by Topgun22 on Jul 20, 2007 4:16 PM EDT actions actions 0 recs
Cause this didn’t include draftees
They’re too new, and some might not even sign.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2007 4:24 PM EDT to parent up actions actions 0 recs
Will Robbie Ross make an appearance later? What about Harold Martinez – he’s probably a top 15 talent but won’t sign…
by JBImaknee on Jul 3, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause Zebra Cakes made fun of me until I agreed they should be eligible
If they don’t sign it’s easy to take them off or add an asterisk like we did when Danks and Masset got dealt. I talked about it in the first of these posts a few days ago… No one reads my posts though :(
And, yes, Ross will make an appearance.
And no Martinez won’t. At least I wasn’t planning on it. There’s no way in my mind that Harold Martinez is a top 15 talent n our system right now. But if y’all really want him, I’ll throw him on for you. It’s a community list, after all.
PS I forgot Brian Thomas said that quote I used to have as my sig. Hilarious stuff.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe this will correct itself eventually
I imagine that a lot of people will not vote for unsigned players, so guys like Smoak and Ross won’t get voted in until they are obviously better than everyone else around them. And that’s probably for the best – kind of a community discounting of their value due to the fact that they aren’t signed. (note: Hey Smoak – if you are reading this, sign quickly and your status in the LSB community will rise…)
Sorry I missed the original discussion – I had been absent for a while…
by JBImaknee on Jul 3, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m very excited about Smoak, but he falls on my personal ranking because has zero professional AB’s. Others may see it different;y, so it will work itself out…
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by Wes Cox on Jul 3, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, he falls for me cause of the zero pro AB's
but for the sake of this exercise I view him as if he’s going to sign at some point.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I’m getting blamed for everything :)
by Brett Perryman on Jul 3, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
Nope. No blame for Z-Cakes.
Personally I always kind of thought it was a good idea. I just thought too many people would have a problem with it so I left ‘em off last year. This year I knew I had the blog’s #2 on my side, so I had enough political capital to push the draftees through.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
how anyone not under contract can be a top prospect.
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by DJCahill on Jul 3, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yah
I bet it boggles your mind.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think
the Rangers are not going to sign Smoak?
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by t ball on Jul 3, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until its done
he’s not a prospect.
Either that, or Barry Zito is one of our greatest prospects of all time.
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by DJCahill on Jul 3, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, sure
exactly the same situation.
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by t ball on Jul 3, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe that Hurley is only 3
because of how he has pitched so far this year for the Rangers. If we held these rankings three weeks ago I imagine Max Ramirez, Elvis Andrus and Justin Smoak might have been ranked ahead of Hurley.
by Agreen07 on Jul 3, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
of course that is the case
But it isn’t just that Hurley has pitched with the Rangers – after all, MaxRam has hit for the Rangers too, and no one is throwing Madrigal on the top ten (especially after yesterday…).
The difference is that Hurley has held his own on the mound and MaxRam looks like he isn’t quite ready. Minor league track record aside, major league stats count for a lot when valuing a player…
by JBImaknee on Jul 3, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just said that...
“The difference is that Hurley has held his own on the mound and MaxRam looks like he isn’t quite ready”
I said “how he has pitched so far this year for the Rangers”...
by Agreen07 on Jul 3, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rising prospect (secret source warning)
LHP Derek Holland has really been impressing the shit out of scouts in Low A. His fastball has been sitting in the 91-94 range with plus command and his secondary stuff is really improving.
We didn’t put him in the top 25 at BTiA, but I think that was a mistake. He’s legit.
by jparks77 on Jul 3, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been warming up to Dutch
He’s one of those guys you never really heard a lot of hype about until he started producing. The numbers look great, but I was always a bit skeptical that he was a “succeed in the low minors cause he’s polished, but lacks the pure talent to make it” kind of guy.
I’m pumped to hear scouts are high on his stuff.
Great to see you’re suing your secret sources to provide us with good news now, Jason ;)
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
suing = using
thedirkatron no function coffee well without.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
If only Miles would sue his secret sources, maybe he’d get better info.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 3, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were
right about the immune system thing.
Ban Zebra cakes, he's a hater.
by miles on Jul 3, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no they werent
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by rentz on Jul 3, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Josh hasn’t been sick near as I can tell, he’s just been run into the ground from playing nearly every game, and banging into walls and such. Hopefully the all-star break will give him the time he needs to rest up, and come on strong again in the second half.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 3, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be thick, Cunningham
They’re talking about the relapse you “knew for certain” that he had over the winter.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 3, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crickets.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 3, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes no sleeper
hes my prospect. While everyone was clamoring to “claim” prospects as their guy in that thread a while back I snatched him up quicker than a plate of egg rolls at an all you can eat buffett.
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by rchawk12 on Jul 3, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.R. sez:
The Rangers also announced their Minor League Player and Pitcher of the Month. Chris Davis was the top player and Derek Holland was the top pitcher. Holland, a left-hander, was 2-0 with a 1.63 ERA in five starts for Class A Clinton.
by shroomer on Jul 3, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
*Respect *
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 3, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious ...
how many people have adamantly gone with Smoak over Davis from day 1 of this poll?
Anybody?
by shroomer on Jul 3, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i've been voting kiker since day one.
waaah. someone got his feelings hurt...
by Longhorn on Jul 3, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Keith Law and Jim Callis would have.
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Law
He didn’t seem to like the fact that we included an unsigned player like Smoak in BTiA’s Top 25.
“I think it’s weird to include an unsigned player, and weirder still to choose just one, since Robbie Ross is not an inferior prospect to all 25 guys on this list.”
I’m not a huge Keith Law fan.
by jparks77 on Jul 3, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea hes a bit full of him self to say the least
Heres his comment in a chat on 6/26
Ben in Dallas: Do tou have any iformation about the Rangers picks Robbie Ross, Martinez, or Armstrong? Bonus demands etc would be helpful.SportsNation Keith Law: Ross told me directly he was asking for $1.575 million, which is probably 50% over what I think he’s worth. Martinez was allegedly looking for $1MM. No idea on Armstrong, whom I didn’t like as a prospect at all.
I don’t know if he had reported it sooner and I had just missed it but this was the first I had hurt of the exact demands.
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a point
you either act as if all players are currently signed, or you act like none of them are. I’d probably say the best way to do it in a single list is to rank all signed players, and then list the draftees and note where they would fall on the list (Smoak #3, Ross #18, for example). This gives a little perspective about where these guys would fall, and thus how much the Rangers need to sign them
In a vote, such as this, including them won’t hurt, but I think we’ll see Smoak and Ross get under-rated, just because they have zero experience and they may not ever set foot in this organization…
by JBImaknee on Jul 3, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to speak for him
But I think their argument was that he didn’t belong on the list b/c of not having thrown a pitch, upside, talent, or stuff. Not b/c we haven’t signed him.
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by nikpin on Jul 3, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I included Smoak
because I thought he belonged in the top 3 regardless of his contract status. I didn’t include Ross because I didn’t think he belonged in the top 25.
Smoak, despite not playing professionally, has a proven track record at a major college program in a major conference. He has had some success with wood bats before and he was rated by some as a top 5 talent in the entire draft.
Ross is a very interesting player but we only have his HS record to go and I think he has more to prove, as far as prospect ranking goes, than Smoak. I’m also prejudiced against small pitchers.
Personally, I’d probably put Ross in the top 30.
by jparks77 on Jul 3, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i take issue with Ross being better than some of the other guys in the 25. Really? Doubt it.
And, I don’t see what the big deal is about projecting Smoak so high and Ross not so high. how about age? How about performing at a level higher than high school?
Law isn’t bad but he’s just wrong here and he doesn’t seem to be right a lot about Rangers minor league prospects.
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by ab03 on Jul 3, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
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by slc ranger on Jul 3, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurley
same reasons …
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by Chase Irwin on Jul 3, 2008 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kiker
because for some reason, I see him being an excellent Major League pitcher. I think it’s the name.
by cmkelly29 on Jul 3, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maximus
Though I have Hurley and Maximum essentially tied. They’re kind of similar in that both are well rounded players with good skills, but neither has the big-time power game of Davis or Feliz.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jul 3, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't understand why these aren't up on the main page!
I mean AJM posts someone’s news-breaking story, but something fun, and if I might add traditional C.P.P., is not added!
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jul 4, 2008 1:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dirk you alive?
We need a new poll! Or do we take the weekend off?
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jul 4, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm already late for my second BBQ of the day... I'll do another when I get back tonight.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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