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Okay, if someone can tell me why Ryan Roberts came up to hit in a 1 run game against a LHP, instead of Brandon Boggs or Jarrod Saltalamacchia, I'd love to hear the reason.

Along with why Ramon Vazquez was bunting, given that a successful sacrifice would allow the M's to walk Ian Kinsler and face Michael Young, who was incredibly gutsy in playing with a broken finger yesterday, but who also looked terrible at the plate (which isn't surprising, given that he was playing with a broken finger).

Games like last night are frustrating and maddening.  I can't even really enjoy the win, because of the fact that we blew a 7 run lead and committed 5 errors.

Anyway.

Luis Mendoza was a mixed bag.  Bad defense behind him hurt him, as did some weak hits, but his command of his breaking ball was spotty again, which was the bigger issue. 

There's the Hank Blalock situation.  Richard Durrett says Blalock got a cortisone shot, but it is unknown whether he'll be back this year at third base, and if he isn't, it is possible he's played his last game as a Ranger.  Gil LeBreton has a column up on the Blalock situation and the problems that his latest injury creates.

I was at the game last night, and might have seen Gerald Laird's last game as a Ranger.  Jeff Wilson talks about Laird's status being up in the air, with teams interested in him but the Rangers not wanting to give him away.

Ramon Vazquez apparently said, in an interview before yesterday's game, that he doesn't like how the Rangers have handled him this year and expects to be playing for another team next year.  And at the end of his post-game interview with Jim Knox, he apparently called out the fans who booed him during his three error night.

Makes me wonder if Jon Daniels might not be more inclined to try to move him now to the Dodgers, who are looking for someone to play shortstop until Rafael Furcal can come back.

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Vazquez

is right. The fans are assholes. By the way where are the fans this year? No one is showing up to games. I have been to two games and I live in LAS VEGAS!!!

by BillyBobisdrunk on Jul 30, 2008 2:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if we do not pick up Blalock's option

do we lose out on compensation picks for him?

Despite last night’s game, I think vazquez has been an absolutely terrific utility infielder the last 2 years. He’s saved our necks when blalock has been out. I think his value is the highest it can possible get and we should trade him. I look forward to seeing Duran as the Util infielder next year and I guess he’ll get some reps in winter ball at all the inf. positions to make up for lost time due to injury and sittin’ around on the bench with the big club.

by Goyogringo on Jul 30, 2008 10:08 AM CDT   0 recs

I don't see us ever

getting compensation picks for blalock. We’d have to offer him arb in 2010 to get comp picks.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Blalock won't bring picks no matter what

He hasn’t played enough the last two years to qualify as a Type A or B FA.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 30, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

AMJ

did you see MJH’s trade market tracker article on the DMN blog today? He states that he believes a Greinke trade would have to involve Feliz, Teagarden and Andrus. I’m definitely on board with bringing in a guy like Greinke but is it me or does that price seem way too step? I don’t think Greinke would cost that much, do you?

Here’s what he said:

Over the past several months, there have been suggestions that the Rangers and Royals might be talking about a Zack Greinke deal. The 24 year old Greinke is in his first arbitration year and thus the Rangers would control him through 2011.

As I’ve said before, I would expect a deal for Greinke to include names like Feliz, Andrus and Teagarden. That’s a lot to pay for a kid who skipped out of spring training a couple of years ago because he didn’t know whether he wanted to play baseball anymore due to his problems with depression.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT   0 recs

*oops AJM i mean

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not all three

I don’t think MJH was implying that it would take all three to get Greinke. One of the three plus some other prospects would do it.

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think so....

otherwise he wouldn’t of said

As I’ve said before, I would expect a deal for Greinke to include names like Feliz, Andrus and Teagarden. That’s a lot to pay for a kid…

Because if it was justs one of the three plus some other prospects, that really isn’t that much.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I read it as meaning all three as well

and not just one of those three.

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jul 30, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm

I could stomach two of the three. All three is too much.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jul 30, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i wouldnt want to include feliz

i think he’ll be better than grienke, who frankly i think is a little overrated here.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 30, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd give up Andrus and Salty/Tea

plus any of the high ceiling young guys (Beavan, Font, etc). Not Feliz though

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd low ball them with

Tea/Salty + Beavan + JMJ. But I don’t think that would be enough. I’d ideally not want to throw in Andrus, but what must be done, must be done I suppose.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they do it for two guys who can start for them right now

A catcher plus JMJ may be enough – but they’d probably need two of our young pitchers for that to work. Heck, we could give them Harrison and Nellie Cruz as well. That would be four guys who’d slot right into their 25-man roster.

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cruz...

well Guillen does want out of there, Cruz could slot right in. I’d have to think that we could get away plugging Salty, Andrus, Harrison, Cruz, and a pitcher at a lower level not named Feliz. That MIGHT get their attention, but I don’t think there’s a way you can expect them to roll without Andrus, Feliz, Davis or Hurley in that deal.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 12:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

feliz imo is untouchable

everyone else is available in such a trade.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

(well, thats what I would do I mean)

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Question

If KC called you and said “Grienke for Chris Davis and Gerald Laird” – who would do it?

I think I would…

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

greinke

my concern is how much service time he has. hes not a young ace wed have for 5 years or anything.

but having smoak does make CD more tradeable.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think we would control him...

from MJH

The 24 year old Greinke is in his first arbitration year and thus the Rangers would control him through 2011.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I looked it up too..

and found a quote on MLBTR saying he’d only be in control through 2010. hmm.

i checked on Matt Cain for no reason.. he signed a 4 year extension + a 1 year option last year, so hed be 2011.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its definitely 2010

rotoworld says so too.

2 years of greinke… its just not enough. Significant value? sure. but not feliz.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Greinke

Cots has Greinkes service time going into this season at 3.057. He signed a contract this winter to avoid arbitration. According to that he would be under team control through the 2010 season and then be a FA.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 30, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

NO

Grienke is overrated by some. He’s no ace

by bushe on Jul 30, 2008 1:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

plus

one.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 30, 2008 1:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I emailed MJH asking if he meant all three...

he wrote back saying this:

“I do think that the Rangers would have to part with a ton to get Greinke. A 24 year old with success like he’s experienced who is still two full seasons away from free agency is the single most expensive commodity on the baseball trade market.”

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Vazquez package options

Who could we package with Vazquez to get the most value? Vincente Padilla? Salty? Max Ramirez? Blalock? Cat? Do the Yankees need a utility infielder? If so, we could toss a catcher with Vaz
I’m hoping for a nice trade before the deadline to toss a couple arms in AA or A-ball. Starters, middle relief, closers, we need it all.

by 3k on Jul 30, 2008 10:11 AM CDT   0 recs

vazquez move

I find it incredible that people take offense to what Ramon said. Sure he made 3 errors last night. It is not like this is an error free zone at the Texas Rangers. He also won the game with a very timely double and I think he had 4 hits last night also. Not sure on that as I am too lazy to look it up. It might have not been the most professional thing to say but it was very funny in its weird way.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the Mile High Club!

by horsedooty on Jul 30, 2008 10:11 AM CDT   0 recs

crossed the line

A professional athlete should never call out the fans like he did. We have the right to cheer or boo at our pleasure. He has a sense of entitlement and cannot leave this town soon enough.

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Missed it...

...what exactly did he say?

"sorry, I'm usually a dick by pointing these things out but 'concepted' is classic" - ab03

by Suicide Prince on Jul 30, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

entitlement

exactly. someone needs to show him the back of his baseball card. Dude is a career spare who was deeply offended by Blalock taking 3B away from him last week. He’s hitting great this year and should greatly appreciate the opportunity he’s had. What a bitch.

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Jul 30, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sorry...

but I’m on Ramon’s side on this one. He’s the better defender between him and Hank, the team’s been absolutely dominant winning percentage wise when he’s started, and despite having his mind out of the game for the past two evenings, on the base path 2 nights ago and on the field last night, he came out with 4 hits, including the make-up 2 run game winner last night, and the team went crazy with him. they still love him. I am beginning to love him even more. and even though his .320 average right now is an obvious aberration, he’s getting the job done at a very high level.

if the fans were booing him, great, it probably got him fired up and made that game winner even more sweet. if we can get something of significant value for him, fine, trade the guy. he is what he is. but if not, don’t just cut bait just to cut bait, especially with Hank out AGAIN.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 1:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thank you!

well done Walter as per usual.

There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.

MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Jul 30, 2008 1:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

gladd your narrow mind

doesn’t run this team. Obviously Hank was put back in the lineup to try to get a trade worked out. How can you not understand that?

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Jul 30, 2008 1:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

look

I’m coming from Ramon’s perspective, not the GM. Obviously, I would have started Hank too. I am saying I can see Ramon’s point of view here, and why he’s so pissed, and why he said the things he did. And I wouldn’t validate his feelings if he were hitting .220 this year, or the team had a .400 winning percentage while he was starting. I am simply validating them because he has a personal reason to be upset, and a professional, team-first (outside of trading strategy) reason to be upset.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can tell you why Wash does what he does in one word.....

Strategery

"I am not a never-nude" - Tobias Fünke

by jcAustin on Jul 30, 2008 10:13 AM CDT   0 recs

We get it, you're a Ramon Vazquez fan

I’m tired of your shtick already.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?

"I am not a never-nude" - Tobias Fünke

by jcAustin on Jul 30, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

fan

if you are talking to me I don’t give a Bleep what you think.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the Mile High Club!

by horsedooty on Jul 30, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's

the “Decider”.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Jul 30, 2008 2:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can understand vazquez having a bad reaction off the cuff

(tlaking about theu nhappy with the rangers thing, not the post-game thing)

But after hes thought about it for a week now…

Is it really that hard to understand that he’d be benched for the guy he replaced for injury and a superprospect thats mashed the ball? What did he really think was going to happen?

The last time he played as many games as he has both this year and last was 2003. The guy hit the lottery by coming to a team whose 3b went down with injuries and didnt have another replacement, reviving his career. You’d think he could see the big picture.

Oh well. I dont find anything he said too offensive, but none the less I do find my opinion of him dropping a bit.

I think he’d be traded if our 3b wasnt the new mark prior of infielders.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT   0 recs

Vazquez

I like Vazguez and everything and he’s done all sorts of nice things for the Rangers this year and last, but he not good enough to act this way.
How can he not understand that 3 errors, a completely failed bunting attempt, plust the whole pick off thing doesn’t equal boos? That’s ridiculous.
He is the definition of a spare. I can’t imagine that he will be that hard to replace. Whether it’s Roberts or the immortal Drew Meyer. If he’s gonna be a jackass, cut him or trade him.

by texnykazrus on Jul 30, 2008 10:17 AM CDT   0 recs

+1

They replaced DeRosa with Vazquez and they’ll replace Vazquez with some other spare.

by cgolden on Jul 30, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's a professional Athlete

A professional athlete has to believe they are the best player for the job or they will not be a professional for long. They have to have an ego. I would hope that Vasquez thinks he should be playing instead of Blalock. I don’t necessarily agree. Blalock’s last two should be proof that he is still a viable big league hitter.

Again, The Stache is professional athlete and as a paid athlete the fans have a right to boo you when they don’t like what you do between the lines, in interviews or in your personal life. Most of us get yearly reviews. As a teacher I get observed by my principal and sometimes she tells me things I don’t want to hear. She has even told me negative things that I didn’t necessarily agree with. The fans can’t fill out an evaluation for the players on the team that they just paid for a ticket to watch, so when they see something they don’t like they can boo, heckle, hold up funny signs, start chants, etc. I have noticed what seems to be a growing number of people, mostly women, who think that booing and heckling is wrong. It is wrong to boo any person/athlete that is not being paid for their performance. I would not boo kids (obviously), college students or anything in between, but if they are drawing a paycheck for the performance that I am paying to watch you better believe I have a right to boo. I generally avoid booing the players on the team I am rooting for (I don’t want to act like a Yankee fan). I think silence in your home ballpark is a lot worse than booing. You better believe I boo close umpire calls that don’t go our way (even if I thought they were correct) because it is the opposite of cheering. I boo Big Bad Vlad every time he comes up because he is a beast and I want to do my part in helping the Rangers win. :) I also think it facilitates questions from the younger newer fans. Example, “Dad, why are they booing that player?” “Well son, that guy is what we call a ‘Ranger Killer’. Except he is the Ranger Killer of Ranger Killers. That guy got a base hit in the first 49 games he played against the Rangers.” Etc Etc. It serves to indoctrinate new Ranger fans. Just like the “Booooooooo-schelle” thing.

3 errors in one game, picked off at third in a one run game, and you think you shouldn’t get booed? It is not like the fans knew you would get the game winning hit. Take as motivation and move on, buddy. You just made it harder for the Rangers to trade you. I think most players would boo themselves if they had a night like that.

I have said too much.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Jul 30, 2008 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Vazquez

Lets not rule out that he’s probably played his way into compensation picks this year (probably a B type, but good enough for me). He has a 130 OPS+, which offsets his typical year last season and probably puts him high up there. Of course, he’ll be ranked as a 3b and not a SS – I don’t know what that means for his ranking.

That said, I see no reason not to trade him now. The only reason not to would be that you want to keep him next season as your utility guy, and if you know he wants to leave, then get what you can now. I’ve pondered moving Vazquez to LA for a while…

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:20 AM CDT   0 recs

you have to offer him arb though.....

I have to think he has a decent shot of taking it.

by bdavison94 on Jul 30, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fine with me

Vazquez as a utility guy makes this team better. He’s basically Mark DeRosa

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the toilets might disagree....

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Jul 30, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

mark derosa had a better career than vazquez pre-rangers

i think derosa is significantly more talented than vazquez.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

He was the first one to start the “emulate Michael Young” thing. Kinsler has done that nicely too.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Derosa

I wish we had resigned him instead of signing Catanalotto.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jul 30, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

except that DeRosa was only interested in signing somewhere he could play every day.

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Jul 30, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As it turns out

He could have had that role here, with Blalock hurt so much.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jul 30, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not

nearly the same kind of money. DeRo had earned starters money. Vasquez had proven that he was a quality role player guy.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Jul 30, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

read again

It was almost the exact same as what CAT made

by bushe on Jul 30, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's gotta count for something...

....I say, oh, I don’t know, next to nothing. But I guess that is “something”.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Jul 30, 2008 2:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

arbitration

If he plays like he has this year he will be looking for a multi year deal and decline arbitration. Plus he says he doesn’t want to play here next year.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 30, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

has he really though?

He had a .673 ops last year and his counting numbers arnt very high. 13 HRs and 63 RBIs over a 1 and 2/3 seasons?

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it'd be close

but some pretty crappy players get to be type Bs. I think Vazquez would pull it out, but of course it depends on who he’s up against.

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay

so mlb trade rumors says that 2b/3b/SS are rated according to the following stats
PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, Fielding percentage, Total chances at designated position
(http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/stats-used-for.html)

Last year, Julio Lugo and Hank Blalock were the last two on the list. Compare Vazquez to Lugo – Lugo has far more PAs, HRs, and RBIs (though Ramon will likely close the gap since he’ll play the rest of the season); whereas Vazquez will likely have a much better OBP and BA. I have no idea how they’ll work the fielding, as Vazquez plays multiple positions.

So you are right – it isn’t a sure thing. I think he’ll be close to the cutoff, but where he’ll lie is certainly up in the air. As an unknown, I think you have to trade him.

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Its the last two years

So last years list included 2006 and 2007 whereas this year list will be for 2007 and 2008

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 30, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

I was looking at Lugo’s 2006-2007 stats and Ramon’s 2007-2008. Not a great comparison, obviously, but all I can do.

It is worth nothing that offense is down across baseball this year, so likely the threshold Vazquez would have to pass will be slightly lower.

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And the injuries..

very irritating.

although its weird with blalock. yesterday I didnt want to trade him, and thought he might be traded. today I want to trade him (final straw injury wise.. I thought he might be over it), and of course now he cant.

I dont think the rangers were going to trade bradley, but I wouldnt have been too opposed to them doing so. Now that would seem to be less likely as well, though I dont know if hes going on the DL or anything.

and with CJ looking worse than ever in the pen, it makes it harder to trade eddie.

the only trading situation that seems to remain particularly plausible is catcher and maybe some throw away deal for cat.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 10:21 AM CDT   0 recs

Who's going....

to play third if we trade Vazquez?

I want Davis at first every night working on his defense. He’s been decent but has made some pretty bad plays over there too.

by bdavison94 on Jul 30, 2008 10:21 AM CDT   0 recs

Duran?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Done for the year

How else do you figure Roberts got here?

by LiamP on Jul 30, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs