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Bull Durham and C.J. Wilson

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I left last night's game in the top of the 9th inning.  I almost left before the top of the 9th started, because I was feeling too on edge about watching the Rangers try to hold a 1 run lead, and after the Vazquez error, I said, no more, I can't watch any more.  I listened to the winning runs score on the radio.

Really, the point to me where I felt that the Rangers were going to blow the lead came when Kenji Johjima was hit on a 2-2 pitch.  I haven't read through the game day thread, but I have to think the reaction here was much like my reaction at the time...w, t, f.  You just can't hit a terrible hitter in that situation with two strikes on him.

But it also got me thinking about the whole C.J. Wilson situation, and all the sort of ancillary things that have been mentioned in regards to him in the press, and the hostility that has been directed towards the media in the way he's been covered.  The idea is that what C.J. does off the field doesn't have anything to do with his performance on the field, and the media shouldn't be talking about the off-the-field stuff in regards to whether he should be the closer.

And there is merit to that.  Ideally, one shouldn't have anything to do with the other.

But I also think back to that scene where Crash Davis is haranguing Nuke LaLoosh for having fungus on his shower shoe.  Crash says:

Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.

And I think Ron Shelton (the former minor leaguer who wrote and directed Bull Durham) is reflecting the perception of players within the locker room.  When C.J. Wilson saves 40 games, he can shave his head when he blows a save, be indiscreet in his comments about former teammates in interviews, post his thoughts on the internet, and do all the other things that makes us love having him on our team, and it won't be an issue.  He'll be looked at like, say, Curt Schilling. 

He'll be colorful.

But when he publicly lobbies for the role of the closer, makes it clear he wants the responsibility of having the role that probably has more impact on the psyche of a team than just about any other position on the diamond, and struggles with it, while doing all the things that end up drawing attention to him, I think it runs the risk of raising questions in the clubhouse and among his teammates. 

That's something that isn't so much of an issue if C.J. is just a middle reliever or a setup guy, or if he were just another guy in the rotation.  But I think it is something that has the potential to be a problem, in terms of (and I hate to use the word) team chemistry, when it involves the closer.

And my guess is that, when Evan Grant, for example, writes about issues of perception and questions about where C.J.'s focus and priorities are, some of the reason why he's writing it isn't because of whether he, or the rest of the media, or the fans, think that it is detracting from C.J.'s ability to do the job.  I think that those points end up being made because the writer believes it reflects concerns among the players about whether it detracts from C.J.'s ability to do the job...something that is a lot more germane than what we think.

I've never played pro ball.  Didn't play in college or high school, either.  So I can't speak to this from personal experience.

But it does seem that there tends to be a groupthink mentality among athletes in pro sports.  And I think that's natural...anytime you have a collection of young men who are thrust together in a unique situation and who spend a lot of time with each other, and not so much with outsiders, having such a mentality is normal.  There's a certain level of conformity that is expected amongst your peers.

Breaking out of that conformity isn't necessarily a bad thing.  But it comes with a price, I think. 

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if CJ didn’t suck this year, nobody would care about any of that stuff…

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by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

good points all round AJM

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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I see your point

I don’t think his eccentricities are the issue as much as his vocal nature. CJ acts like he’s a team spokesman. And like you say, that is fine if he is playing like a leader. But he’s not. He’s playing like the young kid that he is,

The danger to being controversial is that people will put up with it while you are valuable, but you’re usually on a short leash. And I worry that if CJ struggles next year, the Rangers will just say “the guy has potential, but he’s not reaching it and he’s generally a distraction, lets cut our losses” I don’t want to see CJ go – mostly because what I saw of him last year showed me that he has the potential to be a great major league pitcher. But I guess he’s not mentally ready for it – which means he needs to shut up and start listening to those who are to figure out why.

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

"I don’t think his eccentricities are the issue as much as his vocal nature. CJ acts like he’s a team spokesman."

I think you nailed it. I don’t think the eccentricities are what rubbed people the wrong way at all.

For lack of more gentile way of putting it, dude can have a pretty big mouth. I have been amazed at some of the remarks he’s made on the record. I remember him ridiculing Jeff Weaver 2 years ago, and thinking, wow, what juevos. I mean, sure, we all crack on Jeff Weaver, a bunch of boobs who have never played pro ball, b/c, well, he’s not good, but a) he isn’t a colleague, someone we will frequently run into over the years, and of which there must be some sort of code against publicly dissing and b) Jeff Weaver probably had logged like 800 innings as a major leaguer at that point to CJ’s little to none. If I was Weaver, I’d be all up in CJ’s grill on that one.

I think in this case, the rule of thumb is the same as in any workplace. You are best served saying little that is not floweryshineyhappositive on the record. Like emails, press clipping are forever.

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hindman

said somebody needed to give CJ the shower shoe talk back in spring training.

by Droopydave on Jul 30, 2008 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd like to hear CJ say...

“Yes, i screwed up. I sucked last night and I have to do better.” That would make me believe that he’s self aware enough to get better. As it is, i think his first instinct is to look elsewhere to place the blame. That worries me.

"I am not a never-nude" - Tobias Fünke

by jcAustin on Jul 30, 2008 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Ding ding ding!

I’m okay with players being brash as long as they admit when they suck it up, too.

by jwiscarson on Jul 30, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

At a Newberg event in December '05

C.J. flat out told everyone that he sucked. Unless he’s suddenly less self-aware, you can be fairly certain that he knows he’s struggling. The big question with him is what he’s doing to fix it.

Rather than cover that aspect of his approach, the media gets distracted by what’s basically his personal life.

That said, I’m not worrying about anything until his teammates are calling into local radio shows and bitching about him.

So... about the job with the Rangers?

by NoNameOnCard on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i was at the game too and i bet my friend a dollar that cj would allow at least two runners. after seattle went up, we left.

by buckets on Jul 30, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

karma

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i actually wasn't mad about missing the ending.

i’ve seen enough come from behind wins to know what they look like. happy with the ending, but not with how they got there.

by buckets on Jul 30, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good, solid sports points Adam

Although as I mused this morning, can C.J. conceivably pitch well enough over these final two months to atone for his horrific pitching since April and somehow retain his grasp on the closer’s job going into 2009? And if that’s the case, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things if he’s yanked from the role right now or not?

I personally doubt it.

More fun with statistics!

Wilson from May 10th onward: 29.0 IP, 37 H, 19 BB, 32 K, 6 HR. His strikeout rates have rebounded admirably, but everything else about this statistical line absolutely sucks.

By the way, that equates to a 6.52 ERA and a 1.93 WHIP. Opposing batters have lit Wilson up to the tune of .308/.404/.533 in that span. His fielding-independent ERA of 5.12 is the sixth-worst in baseball this year among all Major League pitchers with at least 40 innings under their belts, while his equally horrific walks per nine innings ratio of 5.11 is 10th-worst among that same demographic.

by jamcadbury on Jul 30, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

So let me get this straight

You came from Houston to catch a few Ranger games these past few days. A 5 hour drive just to get to the area to see your favorite team. And you end up leaving in the top of the 9th and have to hear the winning runs scored on the radio. -1 Adam…-1

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by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

To be clear...

...I flew up Monday afternoon, saw Monday’s game, and saw Tuesday’s game. I rode back last night with Ben and his girlfriend.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any

cops involved?

;)

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by Rodney on Jul 30, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ

I thought shaving his head after getting beat by Atlanta was a really weak move. At least wait until the next team is in town so it’s not so obvious that you’re grasping for ways to change your luck. He signalled to his teammates and the other team that being ineffective has gotten to him.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 30, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I know that is a Buddhist thing

It is a symbol of atonement and starting anew, I believe.

Not sure about Taoists.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't put this stuff after a "continue reading this post" link

Screw the people that don’t like music/movie/tv references. Those people need to quit doing things outside or talking to their families and just sit their asses on a couch. Besides, I’m too damn lazy to hit a link.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jul 30, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

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