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Yankees no longer a potential suitor for OMFT, Manny dealt (?)

According to this link on the ESPN site, NYY has filled its catching vacancy by adding Former Ranger Great Pudge Rodriguez. Pudge waived his no trade with the motivation of escaping Detroit, a crappy city with a mediocre baseball team.

For his services, Detroit acquired the Ever-Desirable Kyle Farnsworth.

 

I don't think there's much question that Cashman and Co. would have preferred Laird to Pudge; but recall, the packages we were unsure if we would TAKE involved players significantly more valuable than Farnsworth. I don't like the Tigers in this deal unless there's a PTBNL involved.

 

Additionally, BP reports that Florida is on the verge of acquiring Manny.

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oh pudge

he’s so good

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jul 30, 2008 3:32 PM CDT   0 recs

He

better not go into the HOF in pinstripes…

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:33 PM CDT   0 recs

i would think

that MLB chooses (don’t they choose, i remember this coming up w/ wade boggs) and his peak/longest period of play was with texas.

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jul 30, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea they do

Boggs was rumored to have a clause in his contract to wear a Rays hat upon election. The hall decided to change the rule to where they are the choosers of the hat.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jul 30, 2008 4:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, Joe Morgan talks about this in his chats a lot.

The committee considers the desires of the inductee, but they don’t always give them their wish. They weigh a lot of things, including who a player is most represented by, where was he most loved, highest profile, at his best, etc. Also, in the case of guys like Gary Carter, Dave Winfield and Nolan Ryan, they consider if one of the teams he most represents has a Hall of Famer or not yet. Carter went in as an Expo because the Expos weren’t represented.

Pudge will almost inarguably be a Ranger. If Raffy ever gets in, he’ll be a Ranger too, I’m sure. After that, we have to wait for some of these young guys to be Hall of Fame caliber.

Here’s a question: A lot of very smart people make a great argument that Kevin Brown should be in Cooperstown. Ignoring the argument about whether he should be in or not because it’s too long for this space, if he DID get in, which cap would he wear (if any)?

by philkid3 on Jul 30, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Son of a bitch JD

Your letting our donuts get stale on the bench, GET IN THE GAME.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 30, 2008 3:33 PM CDT   0 recs

+ 1

There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.

MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Jul 30, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe the Tigers will try to acquire Salty

Come on JD – you know you can get Porcello from them :)

(I’m just kidding, for those who can’t tell…)

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They'll have Inge catch

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no thanks

Laird for Farnsworth, no thanks.

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

no sense to make a trade just to make a trade.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pudge

is not a long-term solution for the Yanks. And Posada might not come back to catch again. He might have to DH or play first. Even if he does come back he is not long for catcher. So, the Yanks might be potential trade partners for catching in the offseason.

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Jul 30, 2008 3:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Good

Marlins or Brewers are a better fit. Cashman doesn’t get owned in trades.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 3:34 PM CDT   0 recs

yankees

yeah i think its some sort of mlb rule that the yankees get the better end of all trades

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 30, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Guess you’re faster than me.

by philkid3 on Jul 30, 2008 3:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Interesting, they sent Kyle Farnsworth for him

by scooterr on Jul 30, 2008 3:35 PM CDT   0 recs

LOL.

Another great move by Cashman. Farnsworth sucks.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yankees

I am actually glad we are not trading with them. I can’t remember the last deal they “lost”. let’s face it, brian cashman is a good GM.

by clark on Jul 30, 2008 3:37 PM CDT   0 recs

huh?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 3:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think this affects Texas at all.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh

Isn’t it a team that needs a catcher who is no longer in the market?

by cgolden on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Think long-term.

Pudge is not a long-term catching solution for NYY, which is what they need. They’ll be back after Salty/Laird in the offseason.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well does to a degree...

the Yankees had shown interest in Laird

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well, what's the point of showing interest

and not wanting to give up diddly.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe if pudge wasn't on the market

they would have given something up for Laird….

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This isn't a bad development for the Rangers.

Cashman usually avoids giving up anything that’s really good in trades and typically wins more than he loses.

And if we let New York fleece us in another ARod/Sori fiasco, that would be death worthy for our GM.

by Athos on Jul 30, 2008 3:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Why is this good for the Rangers?

I’m confused.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He said "This isn't a bad development for the Rangers"

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think they want Pudge's contract

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cashman never gives up good young players.

We probably weren’t going to get a deal done with the Yankees. Now there is one less catcher on the market for the Floridas and Cincinnatis of the league to go after. I think we’ll be okay here.

by Athos on Jul 30, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Farnsworth is who Detroit gets back

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:40 PM CDT   0 recs

oh yeah

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Jul 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I am a Rays fan

I would be pretty pissed right now. They have such a deep farm and they haven’t even touched it. I still think they give in and do what it takes to get Bay.

by clark on Jul 30, 2008 3:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Or they go over the top in an offer for MB!!!

jk

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rays are negotiating with the Pirates

for Jason Bay.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Jul 30, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lowballing

Well I am ecstatic that we didn’t waste a catcher for some Yank spare. This was stupid move for Det, they could have just offered him arbitration and got 2 picks, and now they get what cash relief and nothing more.

by gamerabcd on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM CDT   0 recs

They get a reliever who is pitching well now...

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Arbitration

I’ve seen reports that Pudge would be a type A free agent, but neither the Tigers or Yankees would risk offering him arbitration. He makes 13 million this year and will have to take a significant pay cut wherever he plays next year. So arbitration was never an option with him.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 30, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

great point

i hadn’t thought of that, but you are almost certainly right.

by clark on Jul 30, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

seems like the Yankees just absolutely raped two teams here. Pudge is still putting up very solid numbers for a catcher and Farnsworth is just another run of the mill reliever, know idea why the Tigers did this

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Well...

...Detroit is hurting for 8th/9th inning help. Todd Jones is stru-uh-uh-uhggling, and Zumaya isn’t 100 percent.

Still, that’s selling awful low on a first-ballot HOFer.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 30, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Detroit wanted a reliever

not a bad move by them…and it is salary relief.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pudge

Isn’t he a free agent next year?

by BillyBobisdrunk on Jul 30, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

seriously

Farnsworth’s career ERA is like 4.45, above lg avg, he’s pitching a little better now, but not great. Why do they have to trade a key cog to their team to get an avg Reliever??? This just seems like a dumb move for the present and for the future.

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

key cog to the team?

I think you are overstating Pudge’s role on the Tigers. He is a key cog in name only—Cabrera, Ordonez, Granderson, Polanco, and Guillen are all much more important to the Tigers offense than Pudge is. I dont think at this point Brandon Inge is much of a downgrade.

by ewmvv6 on Jul 30, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pudge

2nd greatest Ranger ever. Glad he’ll get an opp to win another WS though. Detroit sucks.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT   0 recs

of course

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

STRONGLY disagree

One of these guys had 976 equivilent runs over 1,400 games as a Ranger. The other had 761 over 1,479.

The latter was an ELITE catcher, however, while the former was a below-average corner outfielder.

Both were primarily Rangers, and one is rightfully going to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, the other is rightfully never getting close.

by philkid3 on Jul 30, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's fine

but for some reason, for me, what Juan did in the 96 playoffs was stuff of legends and that’s why he is one.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That series was great

but one great series does not a legend make. Had it taken us into the ALCS, it’d have been a different story.

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he basically did if it wasn't for

Henememanenememn.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i said that put it over the top

i kinda think he was good during the regular seasons as well with Texas.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

Juan had some great seasons as a Ranger. Pudge was great as a baseball player.

Arguments can be made that Pudge is one of the top 3 catchers of all time. ARod is probably the best player to ever put on a Ranger uniform, but Pudge is pretty close.

by JBImaknee on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

try ARod

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Arod best ranger ever

but not best ranger career

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nah

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The best player ever to play for the Rangers.

Not the best Ranger ever.

Limit a player’s career to the Rangers and judge players the same way you would their careers. A-Rod’s got a three year career, and Pudge is probably the best by quite a bit.

by philkid3 on Jul 30, 2008 4:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I were the Yankees

I would have asked for Brandon Inge instead of Pudge.

by BillyBobisdrunk on Jul 30, 2008 3:44 PM CDT   0 recs

They probably wanted that veteran catcher

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Veteran

They have the middle Molina brother!

by BillyBobisdrunk on Jul 30, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cashman is a genius

Replaces perennial all star with HOF. This is what a big market club can do, eat cash and not lose any prospects. Oh, what the Rangers could be if they could do that.

by gamerabcd on Jul 30, 2008 3:48 PM CDT   0 recs

Inge

Maybe the Rangers should try to trade for Inge. Give up a catcher and get Inge and other minor leaguers. Inge can play 3B and is a free agent after the 2010 season. Young could then slide over to make room for Andrus

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2008 3:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Ingle

is a good ball player. Can play 3B, OF and C.

by BillyBobisdrunk on Jul 30, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what is detroit thinking?

horrible move unless they just want the Yankees to win

by jefe6801 on Jul 30, 2008 3:50 PM CDT   0 recs

They don't get a little trophy

because the Yankees win the world series.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, again, it's not a terrible move.

Detroit needed 8th/9th inning help with a struggling Todd Jones and an unhealthy Zumaya.

NYY needed a catcher an a No. 7 hitter.

It works for both teams. You can knock Farnsworth all you want, but it’s not like Pudge is still beating the world.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 30, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Teams in contention...

such as the red Sox, tampa. chicago…..have to be PISSED over what has happened the last 2 days.

Tex given to the Halos (only person that mattered was who Tex was replacing)

Pudge given to the Yankees

by clinton33 on Jul 30, 2008 4:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Tex given to the Halos

for Atlanta, Kotchman + Marek > 2 picks

by Randy Richardson on Jul 30, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe if it was

5 years ago..

people might be pissed about pudge.

by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2008 4:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this leaves...

4 possible trade suitors for 1 of our catchers. Marlins, Reds, Brewers, and Tigers. Of those 4 I’d say the Marlins and Brewers will make the strongest push to acquire someone.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2008 5:35 PM CDT   0 recs

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