Eric Hurley is hurt
You know how Eric Hurley wasn't hurt in his last start, he just struggled?
Well, never mind.
He's missing his next start with biceps tendinitis.
That sucks.
Dustin Nippert may have to fill in for him.
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yeah, it looked obvious
with 85MPH fastballs. Not sure why the Rangers or Hurley would say otherwise on this…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
annoying
sigh.
at first he was supposed to be ready to pitch before the all star break, but held back as a precaution.
woops, now he pitches a couple innings over the next month.
could you imagine the rotation if we traded padilla? I know we won’t.. but heh.. just think about it.
oh well, hopefully hes healthy and back soon.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and heh, young is out tonight too
somewhat predictable after he looked bad last night, and nothing against MY since he tried to play through it, but still.. just piling on.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speechless
I’ve seen less people hurt in a 20-car pile-up on 35 than what we’ve witnessed this year.
by corbsclinton on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
curse
Is there some type of curse on the franchise? Who was the last SP to stay healthy for an entire season?
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Millwood, of course.
2006: 34 starts, 215 innings; Padilla gave us 33 and 200
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
at what time do you think they start planning to shut him down for the year?
by FirebatM3 on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the jobs
of everyone associated with our pitching staff, including coaches and trainers, have to be evaluated at year’s end. the amount of injuries our pitching staff has sustained this year is outrageous and unacceptable.
by clark on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez
When was the last time we called up a pitcher and they stayed healthy? At this point, just being able to take the ball every fifth day seems to be too much to ask for.
Running through the list of call-ups the last couple years, I can’t think of a young starter that didn’t require DL time.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Jul 30, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about
an old one that didn’t? think about this:
Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Gabbard, Mendoza – all 5 of this year’s projected starters – have been on the DL. That. Is. Depressing.
2007: Millwood, Loe, Padilla, McCarthy, Tejeda – 3 of the 5 starters spent time on the DL, the other two were Tejeda and Loe
wow.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that
our pitching staff support should be investigated and reviewed. Having said that, I can’t for the life of me think what could be happening to all these previously uninjured pitchers that is systemic and non-apparent. They’re not throwing footballs around a la Tom House and I can’t feature that the trainers or doctors are using unsound methods.
I’m not saying its just bad luck or coincidence, but before we can say its something systemic, I think we need to come up with what that might be.
by mcgee48c on Jul 30, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The Stars fired their head trainer during the season last year because he miss advised Boucher about rehabing his shoulder instead of having surgery during the offseason. He re-injured it and had to have the surgery, missing 2/3 of the season. Then they screwed up Zubov’s hernia issue and he too missed an extra month while they waited around to see if it would get better. It didn’t, he had surgery and well Soupy was fired.
Someone(s) need to go. It’s not all coincidence.
by Hull Fan on Jul 30, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it when
Our guys pitch hurt. Shows toughness… ;)
by bhudson on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's entertaining
also to read Jeff’s take on the topic over at lookout landing. They are suffering from some of the same.
by bhudson on Jul 30, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, that's guile.
toughness is Mendoza taking the ball every 5th day, knowing full well what’s going to happen.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that
our pitchers are so honest about injuries. So forthcoming.
by coolaid on Jul 30, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wash leads by example
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wash lied about blalocks injury
sure, completely different, but it was only 24 hours ago, its topical!
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he lied?
or he didn’t know?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lied
he said he was trying to protect blalock and apologized for doing so.
the article with quotes is on the rangers site somewhere.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
that makes it habitual?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jesus it was a freakin joke.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't really say it was habitual, did he?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also a good point.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it matter?
“It’s not habitual – I promise.”
by SteveP on Jul 30, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lie
I believe it was Daniels who lied about that. Then he owned up to it.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I erred in judgment in trying to protect one of my players," Washington said.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear, and this is a minor point, according to EG
It was Washington.
Washington acknowledged that he had concocted the story about the upset stomach to protect Blalock. The Rangers had hoped it was a one-day issue that would subside by Tuesday and that nobody would be the wiser. The intent of protecting Blalock was to not create a panic over the state of his shoulder.“I made an error in judgment in trying to protect one of my players,” Washington said. “I thought he would be ready to go. As it turned out, he wasn’t happy with what I did. Sometimes it’s not good to protect. I found out the hard way.”
Daniels said the decision to protect Blalock was not made to fool potential trade partners. While he categorized talks about Blalock as casual, Daniels said he informed one club of the shoulder issue on Monday and another on Tuesday.
Well DShep beat me, but here is the full quote.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 30, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more
Daniels, however, wouldn’t let Washington take the full blame for the deception.“We had a call to make whether to protect a player or not,” Daniels said. “No, he was not solely to blame.”
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point,
I had actually missed that part. I don’t know if I just skimmed over it or what. They do need to make up better stories that upset tummies in the future however.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 30, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that you're being sarcastic...
but pretty much everyone knew that Hurley’s arm was sore before he pitched.
So... about the job with the Rangers?
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 30, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not care what the pitchers tell the media but
the manager, pitching coach, and training staff had better hear the truth. If they are lying to them, then it is a real issue.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 30, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all this crap from our starters, our relievers, some of our hitters
and we’re 55-52, 5.5 out.
Impressive?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
more like frustrating
because you have to wonder what we could be…
by clark on Jul 30, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but maybe i
am just in a glass half empty mood right now.
by clark on Jul 30, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't be fooled
Seattle was 88-74 last year
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
record
Don’t let a 55-52 record fool you into believing this team is better, or closer, than it is. There are MAJOR problems with the pitching staff that has no short term fixes.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this exact roster replayed the season with the same injuries
id be shocked if they had a winning record
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
With everyone healthy, this team would be a lot better than 55-52, and you can’t say anything different.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot?
Define “a lot better”. At best I would say 59-48 with everyone healthy.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take it.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say 63 wins
we’ve had so many horrible pitchers up here, our rotation was supposed to be
Millwood, Padilla, Jennings, Gabbard, Mendoza
now its Padilla, Feldman, Nippert?, Mendoza, Harrison with Mendoza only making 8 starts
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 30, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't get his exercise
are you assuming jennings and millwood was going to be better than he was? Technically they were injured but it seems silly that you are going to try to think of a magical world where they were completely healthy and dominating like it was 4 years ago.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pythag
According to our pythag win/loss, we should be 51-56 this season, FWIW. We’ve been a little lucky.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Jul 30, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no its more like when we are down by a lot we put in loe or tejeda and they let in 30 runs
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 30, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, i think it's 52-55
and, i would take that if we could do the same with the Angels and A’s as well.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait to see Nippert and his 2+ ratio out there.
by RA Dickey on Jul 30, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is this ratio you speak of?
Number of nipple jokes made by fans per inning?
by LiamP on Jul 30, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2.11 base runners per inning pitched.
Good times.
by RA Dickey on Jul 30, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember ...
... when the Yanks fired their strength and conditioning coach, blaming him basically for their shitty record (was it last year or the year before?). I laughed because it basically was pointing the finger anywhere but where it really belonged, in the front office.
But man, we gotta look at our staff and think about doing the same. It can’t just be coincidence that this many players, particularly pitchers, are injured so often. Something’s gotta give. I am damn tired of reading about another DL stint for one of our guys.
by Melmart1 on Jul 30, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see him get a start
Not sure you could push him that far though….
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by hinduplaya on Jul 30, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Hunter
please.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dude
are you freddy from youtube?
by blueballlefty on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
We’re freakin’ cursed. That’s all there is to it. God hates the idea of Texas having good healthy pitchers.
by Athos on Jul 30, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but he loves
Josh Hamilton.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ precurser
At least it is not forearm tendinitis.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this sucks
im going to the game on friday and i was looking to forward to seeing hurley pitch.
and we should have just played blalock hurt and then not told anyone that he was hurt so we could trade him. why not?
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 30, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
really? why not?
do you also steal cable?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Jul 30, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly I would kill to see RA in our rotation.
Seems more appealing than Mendoza or Nippert at the moment.
by RA Dickey on Jul 30, 2008 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mendoza, check.
Nippert, no. Have you seen him throw? I have NO idea how he sports such a lofty ERA, and maybe I haven’t seen him enough, but he’s got “electric” stuff just like Jamey Wright. It amazes me that those two can be such effective relievers but suck so badly at starting.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamey Wright
sucks no matter what..
Mendoza, give him a chance.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always counted on EH to be a Hoss
His Hoss status is now wrecked.
by shroomer on Jul 30, 2008 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommy is a hoss
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Manny jsut got traded.....to FL,,,,
by laxtonto on Jul 30, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if Boston traded him
and then trade for Milton that would be a big Plus for Boston.
Theo will get something good from this.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to get a threesome going
Manny and Salty to FLA
MB and a FL prospect to BOS
Bowden, and 2 FLA ML ready starting pitching prospects to TEX
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 30, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and espn.com
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Espn says they are close but no trade yet
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny is in the lineup
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is Hermida
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New lineup tonight....
1. Ian Kinsler
2. Frank Catalanotto
3. David Murphy
4. Josh Hamilton
5. Marlon Byrd
6. Brandon Boggs
7. Chris Davis
8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia
9. Ramon Vazquez
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2008 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yay
salty starting.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laird
Let the Laird trade rumors begin!
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
inteeeeeeeeresting.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
Davis at 3rd. I like it.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Let the effin young player just have a role.
I really hate switching him to 3rd.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you suggest should play 3rd tonight?
gerald laird?
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
Roberts at SS then?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and theres no reason to weaken the lineup to avoid playing davis at 3b for a couple days.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murphy hitting 3rd is interesting
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Jul 30, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thisl ineup looks bad enough
that maybe even Miguel Batista could probably throw a shutout..
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by hinduplaya on Jul 30, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are worse lineups for teams that are 90% healthy.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehh maybe
but Murphy batting 3rd and Byrd continuing to bat 5th (granted he has a recent surge) doesn’t do anything for me…
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Jul 30, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe?
Look no further than the opposing team.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
true. true
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Jul 30, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
would Davis be hitting 7th still, with gaping holes at 2, 3, 5 and somewhat 6 ahead of him…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 30, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is amazing
considering that it is completely clear in the mid cities area
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mid cities area?
Poor thing.
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jul 30, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no risk of a cancellation though right?
i need my davis 3b start! fantasy!
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
it will be quick, and gone just like that.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zing.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Jul 30, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except with more thunder.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cincy starts at 7:00
We can watch Volquez until the rain delay’s over.
by shroomer on Jul 30, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
Talk of Bay to Tampa is slowing per espn.
How can JD not sell them, down there still in the AL, with little veteran presence, on the cheaper Bradley?
Is JD so hell-bent on keeping Bradley a Ranger?
I still think he’s a huge blue chip…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And with the Marlins
supposed move, to boot.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jul 30, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
what annoys me the most about this team right now. The pitching, the defense, or the injuries. I’m going to cheat and say the injuries to the pitching staff. The Rangers have done better than I expected this year, but some aspects of this year have just been fucking ridiculous.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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