Wednesday night linkaliciousness
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2008 11:00 PM CDT
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Jerry Crasnick looks at nine deadline deals that he says weren't as advertised. I am linking because there are three Ranger trades included (Carlos Lee, Mark Teixeira, Eric Gagne), but also because I find it weird that Crasnick seems to imply that the Colon/Sizemore deal was viewed as a great deal for Montreal and a bad deal by the Indians at the time, and that the Zambrano/Kazmir trade was ever seen as anything other than the Mets getting hosed.
John Perrotto had a chat session today that included much discussion of the Rangers catchers. Ditto Jim Callis, who also has comments on Elvis Andrus and says he'd pick Teagarden out of the catching options.
Buster Olney re-visits the Teixeira trade from last year:
Maybe Kotchman will take a major step forward in Atlanta, or maybe not. Either way, we are one step closer to tabulating the Braves' final bill on Teixeira. In his one year with the team, the Braves went 77-83, and ranked 13th in runs per game in the big leagues. Meanwhile, the five players they shipped to Texas are making their own journeys:
• Jarrod Saltalamacchia, the switch-hitting catcher, is hitting .232, and increasingly, there are questions about how much he's going to hit in the big leagues. • Left-hander Matt Harrison is 2-1 with a 7.32 ERA with the Rangers. • Elvis Andrus, a slick-fielding shortstop, is hitting .291 with 43 stolen bases in Double-A. • Lefty Beau Jones has a 2.93 ERA in Class A. • Right-handed pitcher Neftali Feliz is 8-3 with a 2.46 ERA this season and has reached Double-A, and has racked up 127 strikeouts in 102 1/3 innings. Feliz may turn out to have the biggest impact in the majors, and Andrus and Saltalamacchia are poised to have long careers in the big leagues. Time will tell on Harrison and Jones, but as a group, there is the great potential for low-price quality service in the majors, for years to come. So there is no way that the Teixeira deal could be looked at as anything but an enormous bust for the Braves, and an enormous success for the Rangers and general manager Jon Daniels.
Christina Kahrl is underwhelmed by the return Atlanta got for Teixeira. The Oracle thinks it is a good move for the Angels.
John Barten has the latest THT Awards up, and still has Ian Kinsler as the A.L. MVP.
Jeff Sullivan hates Carlos Silva. Watching Silva yesterday, it occurred to me that he'd fit in well in the Ranger bullpen, particularly if we brought Franklyn German back. Silva, German, Warner Madrigal, Eddie Guardado, Frankie Francisco...that would be a beefy bullpen.
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I completely agree
I mean is there some conspiracy that forces teams to make terrible trades with the Yankees or does Brain Cashman know hypnosis or what?
The Yankees are dying for a catcher. Everyone in whole wide world knows it. Pudge can still play and all the Tigers get is Kyle freaking Farnsworth? If I’m a Tigers, I’m pissed!
by texnykazrus on Jul 30, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
Kind of like the Abreu trade. It has to be their willingness to take on bad contracts. That’s the only other non-hypnosis explanation.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
But even the Pirates trade.
That was robbery.
by texnykazrus on Jul 30, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see it being bad from the Tiger's side
Brandon Inge is probably a better catcher right now due to Pudge’s shoulder, and Pudge has a huge contract.
People think of Pudge as a hall of famer, but right now, he is probably not as good as Laird.
"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain
beef
I think Ponson belongs in the bullpen, too.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
judging my the pictures I've seen and the descriptions I've heard...
...I’ll take the Morris family over that bullpen in an eating contest every day of the week…
Pinch me...this team is playing above .500???
I have a feeling tonight's win
will make us a buyer tomorrow.
I’m going to guess a catcher (probably Laird) for Arroyo.
And then, a B-, C+ prospect for some reliever.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
Laird for Arroyo
I wouldn’t hate that deal.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
Concur...
Arroyo’s contract should be avoided.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yeah...
just noticed that, I thought he said would.
OMFT has more value right now than a guy who is getting 10 mil a year and knocked around in the NL. Laird should be dealt for pitching, but not someone like Arroyo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
JD wouldn't trade for Arroyo
it just isn’t consistent with his gameplan. He’s too disciplined to do that I think.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
I would.
Arroyo’s 31, has a relatively big contract, is a fly-ball pitcher, has been up-and-down this year.
Plus he’s just not that good.
If we trade Laird and get someone older than him in return I’d be pretty shocked.
contract
What’s his status? I was under the impression that it was pretty reasonable, but I could be wrong. It would be buying low on him, but he’s been good as recently as last season, and really good as recently as two seasons back.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
I believe these numbers are correct. Not sure.
Due 3.95MM in ‘08, 9.5MM in ‘09, 11MM in ‘10, 11MM club option w/ 2MM buyout in ‘11.
I don't think it really matters.
Arroyo doesn’t fit here at all.
Actually he fits here all too well
Thats why I don’t want him
by texnykazrus on Jul 30, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
And he's in the vastly inferior National League where he gets the pitcher every couple of innings.
I’d be unhappy with that.
by texnykazrus on Jul 30, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Arroyo
Didn’t he have white guy cornrows at one point? If so, no deal.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jul 30, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Tomorrow's Trade...
I’m starting to think Laird for Bailey is more of a possibility that I initially believed. Reading the national pundits (who don’t set the market, I know), it appears Laird may have more trade value than we have given him credit for.
Now that's
a deal that needs to be made…. Also Slowey had a CG yesterday or the day before….. Too bad Blalock got injured….
bringing Ron Mahay
My buddy works for the rangers, and he ran into JD in the bathroom, inquiring about Mr. Mahay. Strange, he doesn’t get off the phone while in the bathroom.
by theotherdierkindallas on Jul 30, 2008 11:23 PM CDT reply actions
same
JD doesn’t have his own bathroom?
Hmm….
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a peoples' man
he uses the peoples’ bathroom.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
doubt it :)
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 31, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
There was a video somewhere...
...where they showed Jon going into his office. It wasn’t anything super-spectacular, so I think he would honestly have either a single person bathroom shared by others in the exec office or utilize a men’s restroom… not completely implausible.
Replace Jim Knox
Jon Daniels
The new Dumpmaster D.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Whiz Kid?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Daniels: Hello?
Cashman: Jonny, it’s Brian.
Daniels: Hey Cash… kinda caught me at a bad time.
Cashman: I apologize… look, I’m still wondering if Laird…
Daniels: (fart)
Cashman: ...I’m wondering if Gerald…
Daniels: (plop)
Cashman: ...uh…
Daniels: Hey Cash… can I call you back?
Cashman: Uh… sure…
Daniels: Thanks (click)...
(ringing)
Cashman: Hello?
Dombrowski: Cash… it’s Dave. Say… let’s talk…
by oc on Jul 30, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
If Cashman was offering Farnsworth, then I celebrate that dump!
by texnykazrus on Jul 30, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec
ha!
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
he was
until he decided to go for it and sent every prostect on earth to florida for a useless pitcher and a fat 3b/LF that cant play either of those spots.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I wonder if he squats and surfs...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
ummm I don't
T M I Greenie
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 31, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say I did
I said I was wondering if JD did! HAHA.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
+ 1 + - 1 = 0
+ 1 for it not being you
- 1 for you wondering what J D does on the toilet
I don’t want to hear about it unless J D pulls off a Tim Lincecum trade while doing it. :)
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 31, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
if we get lincecum I’ll wipe JD’s ass next time he takes a crap.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Maybe..
JD has having some trouble on the shitter and was yellling “Mayday!!”
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jul 30, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
re:
Josh from new York: Jim: I have seriously asked this question to everyone at ESPN and no one has answered it. What happens with all of the catchers in Texas?SportsNation Jim Callis: I think Taylor Teagarden has the best all-around tools and emerges as the starter. Laird is arbitration-eligible again and there are teams who need catchers, so maybe they trade him this offseason. That leaves them still needing to figure out what to do with Saltalamacchia and Ramirez.
Zach (NY): Wilmer Flores or Elvis Andrus?SportsNation Jim Callis: Andrus.
That’s it, Rangers related, I believe.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
Craig (Dallas): Max Ramirez or Jarrod Saltalamacchia?SportsNation Jim Callis: (2:50 PM ET ) Salty.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Nice trade tonight
Gunning for me big time.
The last two months are gonna be epic.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2008 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea
I decided to go all in. Espn auto drafted the first 17 rounds for me so I wasn’t really set up to have 5 good keepers anyway. Figured it was now or never.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
BTW.....
somebody was talking about Shoppach going 5-5 earlier….. He came up in the 12th with the bases loaded and nobody out and struck out. Then big time bust Andy Marte GIDP.. to the 13th we go….
Evan Grant game writeup
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/rangers-4-mariners-3.html
Good write up from Evan on tonights game. The comments from Mike are really good to hear. seems like everybody’s finally on the same page.
“I don’t really care about the trading deadline,” he said. “It has nothing to do with how well we’ve played or how much confidence we have in ourselves. I’m confident that everybody associated with this organization has the best interests of the team at heart. I don’t think we have to do anything. If the right deal comes along, I’m sure we’ll look at it. But I don’t think anybody in this clubhouse will have any hard feelings if a deal isn’t made. We’re confident in ourselves.”
this is why
Mike is the FOTF… Truely a classy guy who leads not with boisterious words but with heady and tough actions
love that quote
and also think this is a subtle difference between when Tex was here and now. I think Tex was promoting a different (win now) mindset. Also, JD has done a good job communicating the plan to the players and managers. The future looks bright….. if we could only get some pitching.
"I am not a never-nude" - Tobias Fünke
poooor farnsworth
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Upper Decker
Richard Durrett of the DMN blog titled a post “Upper Decker” after Josh’s home run. Do you think he was referring to where the ball landed, or the Urban Dictionary definition?
Good grief
I learn something new everyday.
I sincerely hope he was talking about where Ham’s HR landed. Otherwise, somebody check the press box bathrooms.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 30, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
oh did it land already?
There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.
MILES
by LAMuscleFag on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Adam Dunn, anyone?
Seems like the interest in Adam Dunn has been pretty dim so far. If you believe the rumor mill, the only real interest has come from TB, and they aren’t even on him that hard.
Anyone have any Interest in adding him to split time at LF/DH with Milton if the price is right?
Normally I’d be against adding a rental, even if we are only 4.5 games back of the WC, but the price on Dunn might be pretty low, and worst case scenario is we lose him for two DP’s at the end of the season.
Seems like maybe we could put something together on par with the Carlos Lee deal to get him.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
i dunno
The Reds seem to love him and they know his actual value. Not Steve Phillips value, but his real sabermetric value. The Reds have given up guys like Willy Mo, Hamilton, Kearns with relative ease. I don’t think that will be the same when it comes to Dunn. They probably want a lot for him, even with him being a FA at the end of the year…
(okay, i admit, i got the basic answer to this question from Max)
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
I have problems with that.
- I don’t think Milton will be healthy enough this year to split time in the OF with anyone.
- Adam Dunn playing LF in our ballpark scares me quite a bit. Especially if he has to do it regularly.
- We’d still have to give up quite a bit. The Chad Tracy offer seems like a starting offer more than anything. I have a tough time believing that Dunn is worth that little.
- Another LH bat? Eh.
gagree
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand
I was thinking Milton out there once every four days or so, maybe. Also Milton needs days off every once in a while anyways, so Dunn could DH those days as well.
The defense scares the jeebus outta me, too. He’s like Carlos Lee, but with a little more hustle and a little less arm. His arm is nigh Johnny Damon-bad. Seriously.
- I was thinking something like Franky Cat, Julio Borbon, Andrew Laughter and their pick of Matt Harrison or Omar Poveda. That might be comically low, I don’t know. Probably it is. You’d probably have to take Laughter and turn him into a more B-level prospect to make it viable on their end. (Kiker? Neil Ramirez? JMJ?) But who would you rather have this winter for Dunn if you’re Cincy: Cat, Borbon a B prospect and Harrison, or two draft picks, one of which might or might not be a first rounder? I guess it depends what other are offering, especially TB.
- His Left Handedness doesn’t scare me. Kinser/Young/Hambone/Milton/Dunn/Byrd or Murphy/Chris Davis might be the best first seven, like, ever.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
dirkatron,
I was thinking something like Franky Cat, Julio Borbon, Andrew Laughter and their pick of Matt Harrison or Omar Poveda.
are you crazy? Why would the Rangers be buyers of a rental player? And with our low K pitching he’d probably cost as many runs in LF as he’d add at the plate.
by Randy Richardson on Jul 31, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh
I’m not so much crazy as I am enamored with big bats.
With the price of pitching at the deadline being downright ridiculous, bats are the only commodity to be had, and since no one seems to be hot after Dunn, I figured maybe he’d be a good buy low candidate. You can never have too many game changing sluggers.
Plus we’re only 4.5 games back of the WC, I believe. I know it’s a long shot pipe dream… but still.
And also the worst case scenario is that my deal energizes the team (and, to some extent, the fan base), nets us two nice draft picks next year to replace the prospects we sent out, and clears out Cat’s contract to give us a little more ‘09 cash to throw at my dream man: Ben Sheets.
But overall it’s just something I threw out there. Just having fun dreaming on deadline possibilities.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I see where you're going
with teams in contention improving their offense for a lesser cost than improving their pitching. And, I don’t get the general lack of interest in Dunn.
But, while we can all dream, WC ‘08 is just that. I hope the Rangers pull off a Rockies miracle, but I wouldn’t be willing to mortgage any part of the future to make that miracle marginally more likely to happen..
by Randy Richardson on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Dunn..
What would you suggest Dirkatron? Start with Laird, and add something like Kiker and JMJ? Too much? Too little? Dunno if it’s worth it for a 2 month rental. I know that Cincy has a team option on him, but doesn’t that disappear if he’s traded?
I dunno
Maybe Cat, Borbon, Poveda and JMJ?
It’d prolly take more than that, but I’m terrible at knowing which of our prospects are worth what.
It’s just idle speculation, though. He’s prolly not a good fit for what this team is trying to do. I just like him as a hitter and would love to see us add someone without selling the farm. (Like we did with Cheese Lee.)
And the option you’re thinking of was from lat year… they had an ‘08 option on Dunn that would’ve disappeared if he’d been traded at last deadline. No option for ‘09 exists.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Time Flies...
How could I have been a whole year off on that option?
A deal for him makes even less sense for this year then. We pretty much already have a full time DH, and our OF is pretty solid. If we want Dunn, simply sign him as our DH in the offseason, and save the chips to go after young quality SPs.
i don't get it
Rangers are 4.5 out, 2nd in the West and they don’t show their highlights until the last few min?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
they arnt going to show the highlights
just josh in touch em all
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
my mistake
gave the rangers 30 seconds after all.
congrats.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
no east coast bias!
We are playing the Mariners. And what is our playoff ? Oh yeah 3.3?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Bryan Corey?
He’s still pitching?
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 30, 2008 11:54 PM CDT reply actions
his 40 spot got a certain someone kicked off the team, did it not?
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
I'll hold off
on sending him that basket from Harry & David’s just yet…
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 30, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Kins has to be in web gems
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 30, 2008 11:58 PM CDT reply actions
Guess not
Boo ESPN
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Chris Davis reminds me that I'm a woman as well as a baseball fan."
by The Best Micah on Jul 30, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Top Plays
Kins was on Top Plays on Sportscenter though.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 31, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
aight
I gotta get up early tomorrow, I’m out.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
"15 scouts watched Arthur Rhodes struggle tonight."
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
but they saw the unstoppable eddie guardado dominate
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
he really didn't
he had 2 strikeouts and should have been out of that inning early.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
Teagarden...
Did anyone watch Rangers Live after the game? I got up and walked back to the office, and my wife said she thought she heard them say something about news regarding Teagarden would come out in the morning. She was not really paying attention so she isn’t sure if they were talking about the Olympics or deadline rumor stuff or something completely unrelated? Anyone hear this?
FWIW
They are famous for reporting iffy rumors and overblowing things for ratings.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That's better handwriting than I figured
Manny would have, if he wrote it.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
i cant believe
its less than 6 hours from the deadline and we havnt heard a single name attached to a single ranger.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
This really has been a buyer's market
and JD does not have to just give someone away. I still expect someone to get traded before the deadline today, but it is really not looking very promising.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 31, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
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