Trade talk

okay

something better happen now.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 9:45 AM CDT 0 recs

Greinke

How long would we control him for? You would have to think the deal would include Salty and something else…

by baylorbear82 on Jul 31, 2008 9:46 AM CDT 0 recs

2 years and 2 months.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up 0 recs

the idea of trading multiple high tier prospects

for 2 season a greinke makes me kinda throw up in my mouth a little bit.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up 0 recs

well, its a long way off but you do have to consider the draft picks.

of course, with our luck hed probably suck, get injured and not get us any draft picks.

and yeah.. hes had a 5.22 era in july, a 5.25 era in june, and a 4.38 era in may, and obviously was awesome in april.. you have to be careful what you give up for 2 years of him. hes good, but hes not THAT good.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

f the draft picks

if we trade for a pitcher like that, we try like hell to extend him.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up 0 recs

"hes had a 5.22 era in july, a 5.25 era in june, and a 4.38 era in may"

well maybe he will fit right in then.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up 0 recs

Greinke

is totally overhyped around here. I wonder if we can have him either straight up for Salty, or for Salty and someone like Mayberry Jr.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up 0 recs

+1

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up 0 recs

Draft picks are very overrated

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up 0 recs

greinke

well, it would qualify as trying to help the team win this year if the clubhouse is still clinging to that.

id give up salty and one of the A ball pitchers, but feliz has to be untouchable.

if we found a way to get greinke without giving up feliz or davis, and also got something decent for laird, id consider this a successful trade deadline.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 9:48 AM CDT 0 recs

although

if we gave up salty in a greinke deal we wouldnt be giving up laird, at least not with tea in the olympics and max hurt.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up 0 recs

did I miss it?

Max is hurt?

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up 0 recs

he left last night's game

with a hip flexor or something like that. I have no idea how serious it is or now long he will be out.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

Yeah no detail on the extent of it...

But it was a hip flexor.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up 0 recs

Feliz and Davis.

I would imagine that both are off limits in any trade that doesn’t involve a young pitcher under team control for many seasons. I’d like to have Greinke, but not at the expense of either Davis or Feliz.

by Athos on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

agreed

i just remember the trade suggestions for him in april when he had a 1.25 era and how much everyone was thinking it would take to get him.. but things have changed since then. realized how much servie time he has, and hes dropped off.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up 0 recs

JD has made a huge trade

each year he’s been here, i don’t see this year being any different.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 9:49 AM CDT 0 recs

that is true

he does know how to pull off the big one.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

Have to agree…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up 0 recs

Rhodes

has been dealt for Gaby Hernandez. that is a pretty solid return for three months of a loogy. the price has now been set for Steady Eddie.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM CDT 0 recs

yeah

woulda given up Every other Day Eddie for him

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up 0 recs

hmm

same. rangers seem to be overvaluing eddie and his mentoring. maybe chiti and connor should be better at doing their job.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Jul 31, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up 0 recs

Excellent point

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Jul 31, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up 0 recs

Heh.

That’s really splitting hairs.

“Guys, you know the rules. No talking in the bullpen…”

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 31, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

remember we heard that about Gagne also

with regard to CJ. And note how CJ looks like he is in dire need of mentorship.

by JBImaknee on Jul 31, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

Mentor

Earlier in the season, Eddie was mentoring CJ (or so it was told). Two lefty closers…
Last night, TAG mentions Eddie’s role as a mentor, but he talks about FX2. No mention of CJ. no one wants to be the mentor of a guy that’s struggling.

by Oracle Galvez on Jul 31, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

Mariners

Great deal by them. With players of minimal value like Rhodes I would definitely prefer quality of quantity.

The Mariners get back a 22 year old RHP SP who projects as a #4. Much better than two more months of Rhodes when you aren’t contending and won’t get a draft pick.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jul 31, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up 0 recs

Let's rec this

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 10:00 AM CDT 0 recs

Rhodes to Marlins broke about 5 mins ago.

Gaby Hernandez is the return from Florida.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM CDT 0 recs

you mean

right here on LSB, about three posts above this? Just joking with ya.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up 0 recs

Haha yeah I just saw that.

Sorry dude, didn’t mean to try to overshadow your trade-breaking brilliance… lol jk.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up 0 recs

well you're a longhorn

i am obligated to bust balls now and then.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up 0 recs

Fair enough... haha.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up 0 recs

Grienke doesn't interest me for the reported cost

Multiple top prospects… umm no.

by bstair on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM CDT 0 recs

I'd have to disagree

Greinke is the top-of-the-rotation guy this team needs. It may not get us over the hump this year but it definitely helps us in the long run

The Eagle has landed....

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up 0 recs

He has a 3.98 ERA in KC

And all sorts of mental/emotional/maturity issues.
No,thanks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739

by BudLight on Jul 31, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up 0 recs

honest question

is KC a hitter or pitchers park?

The Eagle has landed....

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up 0 recs

more a pitcher's park.

by Hull Fan on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up 0 recs

His ERA+

is 110 this year…That is so much better than any of the Rangers.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up 0 recs

it gets tiresome

hearing people slam Greinke for his “mental” stability…
If anyone here has dealt with depression (the kind where you see a counselor and take meds) they will understand what he was going through. they will also understand how depression is absolutely beatable and your life gets sooooo much better after dealing with it. He’s past it and learned from it. Give him a break.
And my perception now is that there are a whole lot of people out there that are depressed and need to get some help to make themselves happier and enjoy life.

"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez

by 8legs2fangs on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up 0 recs

I agree

there may be reasons to not trade for Greinke (costs too much, free agent too soon), but his depression issues are certainly not one of them.

I’d imagine that a significant number of baseball players are treated for depression, etc (I’d even guess at a higher rate than the rest of the population). Greinke was an extreme case, sure, but that doesn’t make his issues something to worry about.

by JBImaknee on Jul 31, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'd have to disagree with you.

I just don’t think Greinke is an ace caliber pitcher. He is a solid #3 definitely, probably a decent #2, but not an ace.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up 0 recs

didn't

necessarily mean he would be an ace. He would be on this team, but after looking at some of his home/road splits I may have been overvaluing him a tad.

The Eagle has landed....

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up 0 recs

Ah ok.

Fair enough. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying slightly then.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up 0 recs

I like Grienke but ...

there is little if any incentive for KC to trade Grienke for prospects right now. That’s why I don’t see Grienke being traded unless someone blows KC away with a young stud at first or 3rd. That’s just not a price I think the Rangers are willing to pay.

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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 31, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

not significant, but MLBTR

says the marlins are still looking for a catcher. id assume so, but good to see another mention anyway.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 10:05 AM CDT 0 recs

Have to agree ...

there is just too much we have yet to find out about our best young prospects … and I’m tired of seeing them go elsewhere only to tunrn out the way we’d hoped they would with us. No to Davis, Feliz, Hurley, Hunter, Teagarden, Maximus, Andrus, Beltre, Holland, et.al.
Salty, Diamond, Kiker, Arias I would consider moving … in the right deal … but I’d rather do nothing than blow up the farm system.

Yea, though we play in the valley of the shadow of defeat, we shall fear no team ... 'cause Nolan says so !!

by FloridaRangerFan on Jul 31, 2008 10:09 AM CDT 0 recs

Not real sure if the Rangers make a move.

And I’m OK with standing pat.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 10:11 AM CDT 0 recs

I don't know why the shit

You guys are wanting to trade Salty. Hes just as young as alot of these “Untouchable” prospects.

He is going to develop into an awesome hitting catcher.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 31, 2008 10:15 AM CDT 0 recs

because we have no pitching?

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

Because Texas doesn't need him.

Sad to say, but when you look at the Rangers’ catching corps, he’s kind of the odd man out.

Laird is the “proven” commodity, the one that you know what you’re getting.
MaxRam is a better hitter than Salty.
Teagarden is a better defender than Salty.

Salty is an alright defender and could end up being a very good bat, but he is not great at anything.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

not sure

if we can definitely say that Max Ram will be the better hitter. Remember that Max is already a year older and has much less upper level experience.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up 0 recs

I think you're being too generous.

Salty is an alright defender and could end up being a very good bat, but he is not great at anything.

I wouldn’t describe his defensive play this season as “alright”. I think he’s a poor defender with the potential to be a good hitter. Right now, he’s not living up to the potential and I like our other catching options better. If he can be traded for a good pitcher, I think you make that move.

by Athos on Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up 0 recs

Salty

I am certainly in no hurry to trade him, but if he can net a solid pitcher, then he needs to go. We are dealing from a position of strength.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'm not anxious to deal him

I just don’t want to see him stuck behind Laird for the rest of the season. If you think he’s had a tough season so far, making him a backup is going to purely stunt his development, and I don’t want to see that happen to him. So if trading him is the only way he avoids that… then so be it.

A Lonestar in California

by lonestarJon on Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up 0 recs

Danny Richar and Nick Masset

from the Sox to the Reds, still pending Griffey’s approval.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM CDT 0 recs

17 pitches to the NL

That’ll shave .5 off his ERA :)

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up 0 recs

do they

really plan on playing him in center? It doesn’t appear they have a good spot for him.

by BHill on Jul 31, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'd think Swisher would play center

I can’t see Griff out there

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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up 0 recs

but where does that put Jr?

they have Quentin, Swisher, Dye, Thome, Konerko, and potentially Griffey to split up the outfield, 1B, and DH slots.

by BHill on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

Where will he play?

The only scenarios I see are benching Swisher and playing him in center (which he doesn’t have the range to do anymore, I’m sure)...

...or to bench Konerko and move someone to first (presumably either Thome or anyone else who’s willing to make the switch). But that certainly seems like a slap in the face to Konerko, the guy who really carried that franchise for a while earlier this decade.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up 0 recs

I read earlier on MLBTR and the ESPN trade blog...

that they expect to put him in the OF. Whether that is CF or RF is unclear.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up 0 recs

If you put him in the outfield...

...that means you’re benching either Swisher, Dye or Quentin. Swisher is the obvious choice, but then who plays center?

You can’t bench Dye, considering he’s probably your best all-around hitter this year (both avg. and power).

And benching Quentin at this point would be blasphemy, considering he’s leading the universe in homers.

And in a completely unrelated note, Carrie Underwood is super hot. Good lord, I haven’t seen her in a while, but golly gee willikers.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up 0 recs

Richar

they are selling low on that guy, but he is now blocked on their team. I like Masset, though.

by clark on Jul 31, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up 0 recs

Griffey approves trade

according to rosenthal on foxsports.com

by texasrfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:25 AM CDT 0 recs

Done deal then.

That will be interesting.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up 0 recs

MLBTR also acknowledges Rosenthal's report.

Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.

by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

Kenny Williams operates in mysterious ways

by Telegraph on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

He operates by luck

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up 0 recs

I am not convinced that he operates at all

by Telegraph on Jul 31, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up 0 recs

Hey just

wait til his awesome 5th round pick kid makes it to the majors. Thatll show everyone haha jk

"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."

t ball

by booyahcaveman on Jul 31, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up 0 recs