Trade talk
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/727881.html
The Rangers have asked about pitcher Zack Greinke and appear willing to part with multiple prospects in return.
Yeah, I've been up since 6:00 AM awaiting some juicy rumors and this is the closest thing I can find relating to the Rangers... So if you want to vent about the lack of activity so far go ahead...... or talk about JD obviously reading LSB by stealing the Grienke idea go ahead...
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okay
something better happen now.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 9:45 AM CDT 0 recs
Greinke
How long would we control him for? You would have to think the deal would include Salty and something else…
by baylorbear82 on Jul 31, 2008 9:46 AM CDT 0 recs
2 years and 2 months.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 31, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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the idea of trading multiple high tier prospects
for 2 season a greinke makes me kinda throw up in my mouth a little bit.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on
Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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well, its a long way off but you do have to consider the draft picks.
of course, with our luck hed probably suck, get injured and not get us any draft picks.
and yeah.. hes had a 5.22 era in july, a 5.25 era in june, and a 4.38 era in may, and obviously was awesome in april.. you have to be careful what you give up for 2 years of him. hes good, but hes not THAT good.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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f the draft picks
if we trade for a pitcher like that, we try like hell to extend him.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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"hes had a 5.22 era in july, a 5.25 era in june, and a 4.38 era in may"
well maybe he will fit right in then.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on
Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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Greinke
is totally overhyped around here. I wonder if we can have him either straight up for Salty, or for Salty and someone like Mayberry Jr.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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+1
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM CDT
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Draft picks are very overrated
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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greinke
well, it would qualify as trying to help the team win this year if the clubhouse is still clinging to that.
id give up salty and one of the A ball pitchers, but feliz has to be untouchable.
if we found a way to get greinke without giving up feliz or davis, and also got something decent for laird, id consider this a successful trade deadline.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 9:48 AM CDT 0 recs
although
if we gave up salty in a greinke deal we wouldnt be giving up laird, at least not with tea in the olympics and max hurt.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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did I miss it?
Max is hurt?
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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he left last night's game
with a hip flexor or something like that. I have no idea how serious it is or now long he will be out.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Yeah no detail on the extent of it...
But it was a hip flexor.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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Feliz and Davis.
I would imagine that both are off limits in any trade that doesn’t involve a young pitcher under team control for many seasons. I’d like to have Greinke, but not at the expense of either Davis or Feliz.
by Athos on
Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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agreed
i just remember the trade suggestions for him in april when he had a 1.25 era and how much everyone was thinking it would take to get him.. but things have changed since then. realized how much servie time he has, and hes dropped off.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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JD has made a huge trade
each year he’s been here, i don’t see this year being any different.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 9:49 AM CDT 0 recs
that is true
he does know how to pull off the big one.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Rhodes
has been dealt for Gaby Hernandez. that is a pretty solid return for three months of a loogy. the price has now been set for Steady Eddie.
by clark on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM CDT 0 recs
yeah
woulda given up Every other Day Eddie for him
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on
Jul 31, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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hmm
same. rangers seem to be overvaluing eddie and his mentoring. maybe chiti and connor should be better at doing their job.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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Excellent point
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by zywica on
Jul 31, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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Heh.
That’s really splitting hairs.
“Guys, you know the rules. No talking in the bullpen…”
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jul 31, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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remember we heard that about Gagne also
with regard to CJ. And note how CJ looks like he is in dire need of mentorship.
by JBImaknee on
Jul 31, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Mentor
Earlier in the season, Eddie was mentoring CJ (or so it was told). Two lefty closers…
Last night, TAG mentions Eddie’s role as a mentor, but he talks about FX2. No mention of CJ. no one wants to be the mentor of a guy that’s struggling.
by Oracle Galvez on
Jul 31, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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Mariners
Great deal by them. With players of minimal value like Rhodes I would definitely prefer quality of quantity.
The Mariners get back a 22 year old RHP SP who projects as a #4. Much better than two more months of Rhodes when you aren’t contending and won’t get a draft pick.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jul 31, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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Rhodes to Marlins broke about 5 mins ago.
Gaby Hernandez is the return from Florida.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM CDT 0 recs
you mean
right here on LSB, about three posts above this? Just joking with ya.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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Haha yeah I just saw that.
Sorry dude, didn’t mean to try to overshadow your trade-breaking brilliance… lol jk.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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well you're a longhorn
i am obligated to bust balls now and then.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Fair enough... haha.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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Grienke doesn't interest me for the reported cost
Multiple top prospects… umm no.
by bstair on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM CDT 0 recs
I'd have to disagree
Greinke is the top-of-the-rotation guy this team needs. It may not get us over the hump this year but it definitely helps us in the long run
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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He has a 3.98 ERA in KC
And all sorts of mental/emotional/maturity issues.
No,thanks.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739
by BudLight on
Jul 31, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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honest question
is KC a hitter or pitchers park?
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 31, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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His ERA+
is 110 this year…That is so much better than any of the Rangers.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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it gets tiresome
hearing people slam Greinke for his “mental” stability…
If anyone here has dealt with depression (the kind where you see a counselor and take meds) they will understand what he was going through. they will also understand how depression is absolutely beatable and your life gets sooooo much better after dealing with it. He’s past it and learned from it. Give him a break.
And my perception now is that there are a whole lot of people out there that are depressed and need to get some help to make themselves happier and enjoy life.
"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez
by 8legs2fangs on
Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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I agree
there may be reasons to not trade for Greinke (costs too much, free agent too soon), but his depression issues are certainly not one of them.
I’d imagine that a significant number of baseball players are treated for depression, etc (I’d even guess at a higher rate than the rest of the population). Greinke was an extreme case, sure, but that doesn’t make his issues something to worry about.
by JBImaknee on
Jul 31, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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I'd have to disagree with you.
I just don’t think Greinke is an ace caliber pitcher. He is a solid #3 definitely, probably a decent #2, but not an ace.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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didn't
necessarily mean he would be an ace. He would be on this team, but after looking at some of his home/road splits I may have been overvaluing him a tad.
The Eagle has landed....
by Lonerangers on
Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Ah ok.
Fair enough. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying slightly then.
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by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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I like Grienke but ...
there is little if any incentive for KC to trade Grienke for prospects right now. That’s why I don’t see Grienke being traded unless someone blows KC away with a young stud at first or 3rd. That’s just not a price I think the Rangers are willing to pay.
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by DerekSTheRed on
Jul 31, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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not significant, but MLBTR
says the marlins are still looking for a catcher. id assume so, but good to see another mention anyway.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 10:05 AM CDT 0 recs
Have to agree ...
there is just too much we have yet to find out about our best young prospects … and I’m tired of seeing them go elsewhere only to tunrn out the way we’d hoped they would with us. No to Davis, Feliz, Hurley, Hunter, Teagarden, Maximus, Andrus, Beltre, Holland, et.al.
Salty, Diamond, Kiker, Arias I would consider moving … in the right deal … but I’d rather do nothing than blow up the farm system.
Yea, though we play in the valley of the shadow of defeat, we shall fear no team ... 'cause Nolan says so !!
by FloridaRangerFan on Jul 31, 2008 10:09 AM CDT 0 recs
Not real sure if the Rangers make a move.
And I’m OK with standing pat.
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 10:11 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't know why the shit
You guys are wanting to trade Salty. Hes just as young as alot of these “Untouchable” prospects.
He is going to develop into an awesome hitting catcher.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 31, 2008 10:15 AM CDT 0 recs
because we have no pitching?
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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Because Texas doesn't need him.
Sad to say, but when you look at the Rangers’ catching corps, he’s kind of the odd man out.
Laird is the “proven” commodity, the one that you know what you’re getting.
MaxRam is a better hitter than Salty.
Teagarden is a better defender than Salty.
Salty is an alright defender and could end up being a very good bat, but he is not great at anything.
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
by ghtd36 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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not sure
if we can definitely say that Max Ram will be the better hitter. Remember that Max is already a year older and has much less upper level experience.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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I think you're being too generous.
Salty is an alright defender and could end up being a very good bat, but he is not great at anything.
I wouldn’t describe his defensive play this season as “alright”. I think he’s a poor defender with the potential to be a good hitter. Right now, he’s not living up to the potential and I like our other catching options better. If he can be traded for a good pitcher, I think you make that move.
by Athos on
Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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Salty
I am certainly in no hurry to trade him, but if he can net a solid pitcher, then he needs to go. We are dealing from a position of strength.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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I'm not anxious to deal him
I just don’t want to see him stuck behind Laird for the rest of the season. If you think he’s had a tough season so far, making him a backup is going to purely stunt his development, and I don’t want to see that happen to him. So if trading him is the only way he avoids that… then so be it.
by lonestarJon on
Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Danny Richar and Nick Masset
from the Sox to the Reds, still pending Griffey’s approval.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM CDT 0 recs
17 pitches to the NL
That’ll shave .5 off his ERA :)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on
Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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do they
really plan on playing him in center? It doesn’t appear they have a good spot for him.
by BHill on
Jul 31, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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I'd think Swisher would play center
I can’t see Griff out there
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by Dirk Diggler on
Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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but where does that put Jr?
they have Quentin, Swisher, Dye, Thome, Konerko, and potentially Griffey to split up the outfield, 1B, and DH slots.
by BHill on
Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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Where will he play?
The only scenarios I see are benching Swisher and playing him in center (which he doesn’t have the range to do anymore, I’m sure)...
...or to bench Konerko and move someone to first (presumably either Thome or anyone else who’s willing to make the switch). But that certainly seems like a slap in the face to Konerko, the guy who really carried that franchise for a while earlier this decade.
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
by ghtd36 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I read earlier on MLBTR and the ESPN trade blog...
that they expect to put him in the OF. Whether that is CF or RF is unclear.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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If you put him in the outfield...
...that means you’re benching either Swisher, Dye or Quentin. Swisher is the obvious choice, but then who plays center?
You can’t bench Dye, considering he’s probably your best all-around hitter this year (both avg. and power).
And benching Quentin at this point would be blasphemy, considering he’s leading the universe in homers.
And in a completely unrelated note, Carrie Underwood is super hot. Good lord, I haven’t seen her in a while, but golly gee willikers.
"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon
by ghtd36 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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Richar
they are selling low on that guy, but he is now blocked on their team. I like Masset, though.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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Griffey approves trade
according to rosenthal on foxsports.com
by texasrfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:25 AM CDT 0 recs
Done deal then.
That will be interesting.
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by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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MLBTR also acknowledges Rosenthal's report.
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by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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He operates by luck
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on
Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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Hey just
wait til his awesome 5th round pick kid makes it to the majors. Thatll show everyone haha jk
"There is nothing wrong with a good baseball argument, even if it gets a little personal now and then. If someone here get[s] their feelings hurt because of a blog post they really need to get a grip."
t ball
by booyahcaveman on
Jul 31, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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He's always so angry....
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Hmm
I’m liking this Amy K. Nelson.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 10:32 AM CDT 0 recs
O, yes.
Is she doing commentary on ESPN?
You have any links, pass those along.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Brewers
i still think we do a deal with them. they are going all in for this year and need help at catcher and a lefty reliever.
by sanangelofan on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM CDT 0 recs
good point
they still have some intriguing guys on that farm.
by clark on
Jul 31, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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Dunn Rumors to TB for
Niemann or Hellickson. I can’t see how TB doesn’t trade for Dunn or Bay. They don’t need a reliever I imagine as they can just call up David Price this year.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jul 31, 2008 10:39 AM CDT 0 recs
Well...
If you’re not figuring in Rhodes they don’t. Which you may be, just not sure.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.
by utlonghorn24 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Rhodes...
he was traded to FLorida I thought, not TB.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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Ohhhh, you're right.
Sorry, got no sleep last night – getting my FL teams confused.
Ian Kinsler has finally earned the right to be the third of my co-favorite players.


