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SI says Manny to the Dodgers

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SI's Jon Heyman says Manny has been traded by the BoSox to the Dodgers in a three way deal, with Jason Bay going to Boston and unknown commodities going to Pittsburgh.

Why a team with Andre Ethier, Matt Kemp, Andruw Jones, and Juan Pierre in the outfield (and no DH) would get Manny Ramirez is beyond me.  Especially if Kemp or Ethier is going away to make room for Manny.

UPDATE -- Pirates get Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris from the Dodgers, and Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen from the Pirates.  This actually seems like it makes sense for all parties.

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Are Either and/or Kemp...

still considered prospects? Are they invloved in the trade?

by RangerRedCaps on Jul 31, 2008 3:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Per Rosenthal.

Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Brandon Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

Dodgers also get $7 million from Red Sox.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 3:44 PM CDT   0 recs

no way

LA can’t even afford that salary.

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Jul 31, 2008 3:44 PM CDT   0 recs

$7 MM

The Red Sox also pay $7M to the Dodgers (which I bet is almost all the remaining salary Manny had due for the rest of the year).

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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 31, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Andruw Jones has sohwn no signs at all of getting it together

and its just a rental.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 3:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Who plays CF, though?

Manny is a bad COF, and Ethier and Kemp are COFs.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ethier or Kemp

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that OF defense will be brutal

but it would seem thats what they would have to do.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is Kemp

that bad a CF?

by tyd3311 on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't think he is

the games i’ve seen him out there , he looked pretty good.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's a COF

He could play CF, but he’s not going to be very good out there.

Manny is a terrible defensive LF’er.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

horrible alignment in one of the biggest OFs in the majors. Bad fit

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wonder how Manny will hit

in that park. especially the HRs.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

fair point

...i have no idea. hmm.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kemp

has already played more CF than COF this year. Not sure how good he is out there though.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 31, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are right

He’s played more CF than I had thought.

He is stretched there, though.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Im sure

that theyre just thinking short term as far as how to make it through the post season this year. Id imagine they have plans to find a more serviceable center fielder this offseason.

by 6th street on Jul 31, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Boston

Gives up Manny, Hansen and Moss for Bay?

Theo pwns, again, and under pressure and absolutely NO leverage.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 3:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Bay's a nice piece.

But I think this is a step backwards for Boston. A decent deal for Epstein.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if nothing else

I like the shake up from the perspective of the Red Sox. They needed anything to happen.

"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2

by tdi1985 on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

upgrade in the field...

and not quite as bad of a dropoff at the plate (Bay). I think it’s going to do wonders for them, but I’m a big Bay fan

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2008 5:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hansens been sucking I think

Moss is a nice pickup.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The scoop
Ken Rosenthal is reporting at this hour that the Dodgers, Red Sox and Pirates have engaged in a three-way deal, with Pittsburgh shipping Jason Bay to Boston, Boston shipping Manny Ramirez to Los Angeles, and a four-player package coming back the Pirates’ way, consisting of third baseman Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers, and outfielder Damien Moss and reliever Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

Boston will reportedly pay all of the $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8398506/Source:-Red-Sox-trade-Manny-to-Dodgers
http://mvn.com/mlb-rangers/2008/07/31/rangers-mlb-trade-deadline-live-blog/

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Jul 31, 2008 3:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Rosenthal added this:

“It is possible the Dodgers sent the Pirates an outfielder in the deal. The names are not confirmed.”

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking that had to be Brandon

Of course you can’t expect baseball reporters to actually get names right when they are rushing to be the first to report something, correct or not.

by uthornfan on Jul 31, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny thing

I asked Jamey after I wrote that if it was just incompetence on my end or if Rosenthal actually wrote that at first.

He replies it was Rosenthal…and then proceeded to inform me he was among those who informed Rosenthal of the error.

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Jul 31, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jamey Newberg = man.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Aaaaand...

Welcome to the party 10 minutes late, ESPN.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 3:46 PM CDT   0 recs

He should

have fun hitting and fielding in the Dodgers huge outfield. Great trade Dodgers! :)

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Jul 31, 2008 3:47 PM CDT   0 recs

good deal

for the Pirates

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 31, 2008 3:50 PM CDT   0 recs

+1

I think they’re the winners in this deal.

"But the point is, [Jeff] Mathis is a bush-league uber douche." -lonestarJon

by ghtd36 on Jul 31, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

early 90's at least

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by hinduplaya on Jul 31, 2008 5:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bay and Manny

both having basically the same type of year offensively, correct?

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 3:57 PM CDT   0 recs

except

Boston traded one of them away plus 2 prospects for the other one!

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Difference

Remember Bay they’ll have for 2 1/2 years… Manny would be gone after this one.

by TRanger on Jul 31, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Manny's option?

I thought he was demanding that it be picked up and that’s what killed the Marlins deal. All rumors of course. Maybe the Dodgers picked up the 2009 option.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jul 31, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No

demanding they not pick it up…

That’s what the whole problem is..

He wants to be a free agent after this year.

by tyd3311 on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ohhh

You’re exactly right.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jul 31, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Manny

was just bitchign about wanting some committment one way or another. it was very evident that the Sox had no inclination of picking up this year’s team option, let alone the next 2 years at 20 mil. however, the Dodgers may be forced to do so. unless they hope to let him walk and pick up the 2 picks.

by 6th street on Jul 31, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noo

Many wants committment in terms of a long-term deal

The Dodgers have already agreed not to pick up the options…

This whole mess is about Manny wanting to go on the open market and attempt to fetch a 100 mil dollar deal.

by tyd3311 on Jul 31, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yikes.

who in the hell is going to sign Manny, and for how long and how much, after this???

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Boston

has Bay through ‘09. They had the rights to Manny through ‘10, if they chose to exercise the options.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 31, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops

Yeah I meant Bay was there through next year.

But as big of a distraction Manny has been it’s obvious he didn’t want those options used, although he’s acted like a baby before so if they would have given him another week or so he probably would have calmed down.

by TRanger on Jul 31, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well,

It was Boston’s decision on the options. This is the same Manny that the Red Sox have always had. Not sure why this situation was so irrepairable.

by Randy Richardson on Jul 31, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

it was different this time, He felt this offseason would be the last chance he would have at landing a very large contract…

It would have been absolutely miserable for everyone had Boston picked up that option.

by tyd3311 on Jul 31, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and

Bay has not had the Green Monster to bounce doubles off of all year. Manny’s will go down in LA’s huge outfield and Bay’s number will rise.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Aug 1, 2008 12:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

heh

Bay >>>> Manny on the field. Comparable bats, but Bay’s such a step up in the field it’s not even funny.

And he comes with 100% less traveling secretary-shoving, so that’s a plus.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bay-Ellsbury-Drew

among the best OFs in the majors

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I assume you mean defensively, in which I case I agree with you

Cause Tacoby’s been horrid offensively this season. Just god freaking awful. Not sure why it hasn’t gotten more press. .262/.328/.358 is the kind of line we could be getting from Julio Borbon next year if we wanted to. Heck, maybe even right now.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ellsbury-Crisp-Drew

was/is a little better I think

"Then you an idiot you dont expect lefties to with as much power against lefties" -blueballlefty to me

by BAC on Jul 31, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you mean defensively?

Or overall? No way ellsbury, crisp, drew is better overall than bay, ellbury, drew.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Defensive

clearly

"Then you an idiot you dont expect lefties to with as much power against lefties" -blueballlefty to me

by BAC on Aug 1, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This trade doesn't make sense

unless Ethier or Kemp is in it….

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2008 4:00 PM CDT   0 recs

LaRoches on the corners

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jul 31, 2008 4:02 PM CDT   0 recs

lol

Hey, they’re better than Laynce and Jayson and Hank and Jake put together!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh

The worst part about the Nixes is how their parents choose to spell their freaking names. I hate “unique” spellings for common names.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Aug 1, 2008 8:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BoSox

This is just a give away deal…. gave up way too much for Jason Bay

by Hot Stuff on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM CDT   0 recs

yea..

but they kinda had to, Manny put them in a bad spot. They get a little worse from the deal, but at least they dont have a whining Manny to deal with.

by blalock84 on Jul 31, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Had to

They needed to get a player back that would make up for Manny’s offense. Couldn’t run Drew, Crisp and Ellsbury out there with Papi still out.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jul 31, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they upgraded their defense

with limited offensive change if both keep producing the same way.

by corbsclinton on Jul 31, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

moss and hansen

meh.

Bay >>> Ramirez from here on out. Both offensively and defensively.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bay has never

been in the heat of a pennant race and might wilt in Boston.

Manny’s greatest strength is the same as his biggest weakness, he doesn’t give a shit or worry too much about anything which is great in the post-season but not so much in the dog days.

IF the Dodgers make it to the post-season, look out!!!

(Full disclosure, I’m also a Dodgers fan)

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jul 31, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that only works somewhat offensively.

the fact that he doesn’t give a shit in the field is SO bad it’s not even funny. Bay won’t wilt, he’s Canadian. tough skin. bad teeth. it’s how they are.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

theres an update

saying manny’s option years are taken away, and theres an agreement that he wont accept arbitration.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2008 4:11 PM CDT   0 recs

yea

so now the Dodgers also get the two first round picks. Definitely a solid move for them imo, puts them in the right spot to win their division.

by blalock84 on Jul 31, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

next year

If anyone signs Manny next year. :)

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 31, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dodgers

Dodgers get redo’s on two first-round picks.

by tyd3311 on Jul 31, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

2 months of Manny + 2 first rounders

for LaRoche. I would do that if I was in a pennant race.

by corbsclinton on Jul 31, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs