LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #4
by thedirkatron on Jul 5, 2008 1:05 AM CDT
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Print3 of these in the books now, and we still haven't had a close vote yet. What gives?
After capturing 48% of 227 sexually attractive votes, Eric Hurley has won the right to be called the LSB Community #2 prospect!
The list so far:
1. 1b, Chris Davis
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. RHP, Eric Hurley
Time to move on to the next vote. This one seems wide open, with no run-away runner-up from last time
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me who you want on the list next.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who are currently in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect right now, so he goes on the list. It's that simple.
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This is the first really tough vote for me
I voted Davis, Hurley, Hurley so far.
My head says the next three are: 1. Smoak 2. Andrus 3. Max, but my heart says 1. Max 2. Andrus 3. Smoak.
Then I start thinking about Kiker, Main and Beavan and my head starts to freaking spin.
This is tough.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I will go with Maximiliano.
It is a tough choice between Maximiliano and Smoak but since Max is closer to the bigs (or in the biggs), I will give him the edge.
Chris Davis is a beast.
Max
Its a tossup between Max and Smoak here for me but with the season Max has had and the fact he is in the majors right now while Smoak still has ZERO pro at bats it goes to Max here.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Smoak
I voted for him in the last poll, so obviously, I have to vote for him again here. I love MaxRam too, but he’s kind of a man without a position – and since Smoak is a switch hitter and projects to be the total package in the field as well asa t the plate, I think he slots right above Max in the pecking order.
"My keyboard is a Yankees fan" - Whipsmart
Max has impressed me with his D behind the plate
After seeing him in the flash I no longer consider him a “move off catcher” kind of guy. He can stick there. The only problem there for me is the logjam we have as an organization. Laird, Salty, Teagarden and Max… That’s freaking ridiculous.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I'm starting to think that too
But I want to see more than 3 starts in the Majors before I’m fully convinced. But hey, if his defense isn’t any worse that Salty’s then I’ll be on board with him catching full time.
But still, even I was 100% convinced Max could catch… I like what I’m Smoaking just fine. ;)
"My keyboard is a Yankees fan" - Whipsmart
by LSJ on Jul 5, 2008 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions
in the most recent sample
Smoak hit .315/.434/.631 with metal bats against college pitchers
Max hit .363/.447/.662 with wood bats against AA pitchers
Unless you are going strictly off projection, or you love the defense that Smoak offers at first, I just don’t see how you can put him ahead of Max right now.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
At least for me...
I think MaxRam takes a little bit of a dip because of his defensive value. Although I have been impressed with how he has handled the catching duties in his couple of starts with the Rangers.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
just want to say...
hurley above andrus, maxram and smoak sickens me.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
too serious
I think you are taking a community poll too serious. Besides Hurley has looked pretty good in the bigs and has a minor league track record that he should be a pretty good, pretty consistent pitcher.
Hurley
Well if Hurley truly is the number 6 prospect for the Rangers. I really like the health of the farm system. In years past a pitcher like Hurley would most likely be the number one prospect for the Rangers.
by booyahcaveman on Jul 5, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
thats partly my point
but hurley at 3 is wayyyyy to high. no way he is at 3 in any other “professional” ranking
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Jul 5, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I would
tend to agre with you but like you implied this is not a professional ranking plus hurley has been hyped up for so long which is probably buying him a few spots. Ramirez and Andrus were trade acquistions and we JUST drafted Smoak so we simply havent followed them as long.
by booyahcaveman on Jul 5, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
considering that all 3 will be top 100 guys
and if hurley doesnt meet the rookie reqirements is almost guaranteed to NOT be ranked ahead of any of those guys.
meanwhile main/beavan could be top 100 guys – even or ahead of hurley
for me – hurley is behind all 5 of these guys and probably behind teagarden too.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
I can't see...
how Hurley would be behind TT.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Smoak
I voted for Smoak mostly because Keith Law is so high on him. It is probably more knee jerk reaction more than anything.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 5, 2008 6:38 AM CDT reply actions
WOW
I voted Max.
Max, Andrus, Smoak each have 22 votes at 30%.
andrus
I’m still an andrus believer! though right after him i’d put max.
smoak i dont know, i just have a hard time ranking a guy who isn’t even close to signing. if he was signed i’d probably rank him #4
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Smoak
I went with Smoak. Of the players left on the board, he will have the biggest impact in the MLs. Probably in 2010.
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
how can you say
that Smoak will have a bigger impact than MaxRam at this point?
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
You can't
but you most certainly can not say he won’t either. It’s not just a few people here that think highly of Smoak.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I'm thrilled that we got Smoak
I just don’t see how you can justify ranking him ahead of a guy that has posted a 1100+ OPS in his first run through AA. Smoak didn’t do that with metal bats against college pitchers.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
Which is why
I went with Max too.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
projections
Because I PROJECT Smoak to have a bigger impact at the ML level.
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
what information are you using to make that
PROJECTION ?
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
The same info
as everyone else. Which includes the fact that Smoak is ~2 yrs younger than Max, a switch hitter and has a position to play. If Smoak is a s good as projected, he will be playing in Frisco at the age of 23 like Ramirez. At that time we all can make some accurate comparisons between the two players.
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
lol
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by inactive lsb user on Jul 6, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So you are
going to choose a guy that hasn’t played a second in the minors vs. a guy that tore up every level and is one of the best offensive players in all of minors?
I will go with a guy that has proven he is an offensive machine over a guy that could be a good offensive player any day.
I make it rain on dem hoes.
Every level?
Remind me how MaxRam did in AAA.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
so why in the hell is everyone so adverse to voting for smoak cuz of no pro ABs
but people would vote for beavan last year with no pro innings?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
beavan
i don’t believe he was in our mid-year rankings last year
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
end of year rankings
still had 0 IP then
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
But he was signed
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
People are worrying about this too much
If for some strange reason Smoak isn’t signed (and I’ll eat my hat if they don’t sign him) we can remove him from the rankings. But to me it is MUCH more interesting to put him in here and consider it a done deal for the sake of these rankings.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Andrus for me
He’s just so toolsy!
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Went with Andrus
Could have easily gone with Max as well. Smoak is up there. And i’m thinking Derek Holland might just be my vote for #6 or #7, which is both shocking and awesome.
I think Max Ram...
Smoak could be really good, but Max is tore up every level of the farm system.
If not for excess players at his position, he would be starting in the bigs right now.
I make it rain on dem hoes.
and he still could be
in the bigs most of the rest of this year, depending on how things play out. Still, I went with Smoak because I think he has more long term potential on both sides of the ball.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Umm... T ball
We slacking lately? Still waiting for the June in OKC/Bakersfield/Frisco/Clinton series. :)
"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler
Meh
With these diaries I figured we’d have enough prospect talk this month, and we’ve had great minors diaries lately with lots of good talk. I’m lazy, too, been playing OOTP with some of my time.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I have been playing that a lot lately too. Great game. Still need some more of the ranger prospects in it.
by Kevin McBrayer on Jul 5, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I think its entirely stupid to even include smoak.
Dirk why even do it? He isn’t signed, so how can he even be our prospect?
Anyway, I voted for MaxRam based on offensive production and because he has looked decent at catcher since joining Texas.
I still don’t understand why this doesn’t make the main page.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Because it makes a lot more sense to go ahead and include him now
under the presumption that he will sign and just remove him if he ends up balking.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Wow....
An absolute slugfest between Smaok, MaxRam, and Andrus…..
Like HOF voting some of the results are puzzling. Who in the hell voted for JMJ and Beltre. How can you look this up?
full disclosure….I voted for MaxRam
I've got a laptop for pleasure.....The Rangers for pain.
I guess someone
really high on potential who doesn’t put much stock in current performance and risk could have voted Beltre. JMJ is really confusing – maybe his mom reads LSB?
I’m glad to see that MaxRam and Andrus are closing in on Smoak. I have those two #s 4 and 5 on my list, ahead of the guy who has never seen a professional pitch…
Smoak
You know I really can’t see how he could be ahead of guys who have not only obliterated the minors but are actually performing and contributing in the majors. Now if it comes down to him and Andrus then I think we will have a dilemma. The age argument some ave used between him and Max would be irrelevant since Anrus is 19 right now in AA but with Smoak projecting to have such a high offensive ceiling would that overtake such a high defensive ceiling like Elvis has. Add in the fact Elvis has been performing in the minors against Smoak who again has never taken a professional swing in his life and it would be a good debate.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I agree
I wont be voting for Smoak for awhile…..although I’m sure the minute he signs he becomes our #1 prospect in national pubs, although I guess a few may have him behind Feliz.
I've got a laptop for pleasure.....The Rangers for pain.
by red shoe ranger on Jul 5, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
If Happy so much as holds his own in AA
there’s almost no way I can see rating Smoak above him. If he bombs out in Frisco (knock on some thick mother f’ing wood!) I could see someone else maybe sneaking in ahead of him… but it’s still hard to imagine Happy won’t be our #1.
Unless, of course, Smoak signs with enough time to actually get some Clinton time in this year, which he won’t.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
king feliz!
eom lol
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Jul 5, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Derivative
-1
Happy happy.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
That nickname is just terrible
Happy Happy? Seriously?
His name is Neftali Feliz. Does a man with a name like Neftali really require a nickname?
Ok then
just Happy…is that OK?
Sheesh, people never sleep in NYC huh?
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
+3
ive been saying this for a while now lol
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Jul 6, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
+4
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by inactive lsb user on Jul 6, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The Ayatollah of Outhrowya
Señor Sling
The Heato Bandito
The Throw Hard Green Card
He Hate Me
Neftacular Fellizatio
How about...
“The Filth” for Feliz?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Look up votes
you can also see who people voted for by clicking on their name and seeing recent comments. Scroll down to their vote (if they have voted). For instance, Longhorn thinks Kiker is #4 in our system….
Looks like...
four, five, and six are all pretty obvious.
It’s the order they come in that is in doubt.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
A,B,C
If voting stays this close and ends like this should we just say Max, Andrus, Smoak are 4a, 4b, and 4c and move onto #7?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
+1
I don’t think you could go wrong with any of them.
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
It's either that or do a three way run-off
with the winner after 24 hours getting 4th, and then take the second and third place guys and immediately do a run-off between them to determine 5th and 6th.
What do y’all prefer?
The tie would be easier, I suppose, and the run-off would likely come down to a vote or two which isn’t really that decisive. The more I think about it, the more I like the three-way tie idea. But it’s a community thing. What do y’all think??
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Three way runoff
And if that fails, a hotdog eating contest.
"My keyboard is a Yankees fan" - Whipsmart
by LSJ on Jul 5, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Concur...
there are no ties in LSB rankings!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
pLuS oNe
I've got a laptop for pleasure.....The Rangers for pain.
by red shoe ranger on Jul 5, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Bud Selig......
and Hockey.
of course the whole points system in hockey is rediculous. (you lost…but you made it to overtime….congratulations…..weve decided to give you a point because you tried so hard….oh, and you want a cookie too, well of course you can.)
I've got a laptop for pleasure.....The Rangers for pain.
by red shoe ranger on Jul 5, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
runoff
eom
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Jul 5, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Three way, for sure.
Just pick your playing partners wisely!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Holland
gets noticed by some. This is too high for him, but he has definitely moved up this year.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I was slightly tempted.
I figure he deserves 8-10 really. Especially after the note MJH passed on the other day…that some scouts compare him to a young pitcher who was once indentured to the Metropolitans.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Wow
I thought Smoak had this thing for a while, but Max is back to within 1 vote, and Andrus coming in right behind him.
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