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Brewers, Indians Agree On Sabathia

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According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, a Sabathia deal has been agreed upon.  Literally, the entire article reads:

I just was told by a reliable club source that the Brewers have a deal in place with Cleveland for left-hander C.C. Sabathia, contingent on the paperwork being done and medical records exchanged.

But believe me, folks, that's a deal. All that other stuff is formality.

All I know so far is that top prospect Matt LaPorta is in the deal. I was told two lower-level minor leaguers also are included. The Brewers refused to include another top prospect such as Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel.

Look for Sabathia to make his debut for the Brewers Tuesday night at Miller Park against Colorado.

I'll post more details as I get them.

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biggest loser in this deal:

Hank Steinbrenner

by oc on Jul 6, 2008 6:19 PM CDT   0 recs

Cleveland too

They just traded their ace and their getting a first baseman who’s bat is nice, but a lot of players’ bats are nice in the minors.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Jul 6, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yup

"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007

by Longhorn on Jul 6, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

in their defense...

...keeping him in Cleveland was a longshot…

all their doing is maximizing his return.

here’s what i don’t understand… what kind of pitching are the Tribe getting in return?

that’s a rather… large… hole to fill in that rotation.

by oc on Jul 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In more ways than one!

har har har har har

Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."

by TheBZA on Jul 6, 2008 6:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

according to Heyman...

...the Indians are asking for positional players only…

that’s incredible…

by oc on Jul 6, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hell they want position players?

I’ll trade em Kinsler for Carmona in a heartbeat.

by Agreen07 on Jul 6, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Kinsler is putting up an MVP year. Carmona has been on the DL for most of the year.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Jul 6, 2008 7:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hahaha

I was curious what kind of reaction that would get….

by Agreen07 on Jul 6, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

in all honesty though

He has Ace potential and he’s only 24

by Agreen07 on Jul 6, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's actually probably true

how is he so good given his WHIP and low k’s…i never understood it.

by Agreen07 on Jul 6, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ground ball pitcher and a lot of luck...

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jul 6, 2008 11:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Come on though...

Kinsler for 3 months of CC. No Way.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 6, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

RIF

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 6, 2008 7:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You did above...

“I’ll trade em Kinsler for Carmone in a heartbeat.”

Unless you were being sarcastic, which I hope you were.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 6, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Carmona

He’s under team control through 2012.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 6, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

u said cc

"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007

by Longhorn on Jul 6, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah shit...

never mind. Just have CC on my mind. Sorry Agreen.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 6, 2008 7:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shapiro is Sharp

This is a no-brainer. CLE is out of this season and Sabathia is not likely to return to the Indians if he wants to “test” the free agent market. So, why not get something for him in the meantime.

Daniels did the same thing with Texeira and it was the smart move.

by Austin Ranger on Jul 6, 2008 8:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?...

...this is an awful move by Shapiro. with the way C.C. is pitching, i would have rolled him out there for a couple of more starts, maxed his value a little higher… and more importantly, gotten the outside candidates to compete…

by oc on Jul 6, 2008 8:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

or he slips

on the rubber and hurts his out of shape ass and you get nothing for him. LaPorta is a pretty nice get in his self

by blueballlefty on Jul 6, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's a level argument...

...LaPorta could pull a hamstring rounding the bases… and he plays almost daily.

by oc on Jul 6, 2008 10:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not level

LaPorta has atleast 5 years to heal, where as CC has 1 month before the trade deadline

by blueballlefty on Jul 6, 2008 11:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who?

Who are the other candidates for Sabathia and could the offer someone better than LaPorta? Two more starts would not up Sabathia’s value. It might have decreased it since that would be 2 less starts for the acquiring team. LaPorta plus 2 other player sis probably better than the draft pick compensation the Indians would have gotten.

"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."

by RangerMad on Jul 6, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Laporta is a great prospect

He’s more than worth a three-month rental of CC. Take into account that they’re losing the draft compensation, though, and you’d have to mull this one over.

Hard Drive Manufacturer Hires Barkley

by BudLight on Jul 6, 2008 9:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

is he worth more than

main and beaven though b/c that the value we got out of draft picks last season Gary “stinkin” Mathews Jr.

id take beaven and main over Laporta. maybe thats me and you can get that without trading the guy all season.

the question is who are the 2 minor leaguers other than laporta and who is the PTBNL, who did they draft that was high pick last season that has value but cant be traded yet? if those 3 are good plus prospects its much different

"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08

.501 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 6, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

GMJ

He got you Main and Ramirez, not Beavan and Main.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 6, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

my bad your right

still take 2 very highly thought of pitchers over a power hitting 1b. you can find good hitting 1b elsewhere in the draft (see chris davis)

"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08

.501 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 6, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Davis is an exception ot the rule

You very rarely find players of his caliber in round 5.
If you get a contributor, you’ve got what you wanted all along. I don’t give a flip what position it comes from. Don’t you think we could have used an impact 1B bat earlier this year? Such things can’t be taken for granted.

Hard Drive Manufacturer Hires Barkley

by BudLight on Jul 6, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ok not just in the draft i meant

we got raffy twice, will, and Agone and all of those guys fit the category of 1b i would love to have on my team, and we never had to give up an ace to get any of them. I would never in my life give up an ace no matter what his contract situation was for a good power hitting 1b, especially just a prospect. ill find one of those on the FA market and load up in the draft. Hell Gamel was a 4th rounder. and he was the reason they moved Laporta.

"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08

.501 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 6, 2008 10:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

For two of those guys, we had to give up an elite closer.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 6, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not an ace though

I don’t think its a bad deal for the Indians, but I just don’t see it as a great one for them

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Jul 6, 2008 10:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

fine by me.

you ok including mitch williams for raffy or any1 swapping Captain “I’m in prison for 14 years for setting my gardener on fire” for Agone?

and besides, neither one of those guys were “elite” closers. good closers? no doubt about it but, Mariano is or [i]was[/i] an “elite” closer, trevor hoffman was an “elite” closer. mitch willaims and uggie? we signed him in 2003 and traded him in july and was a FA in October of that season and we got Adrian Gonzalez for him. neither were elite closers

1b are around and they can be had and you dont have to give up aces to get them.

"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08

.501 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 6, 2008 10:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That got a good baseball player.

Doesn’t matter what position.

by tyd3311 on Jul 6, 2008 10:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not really

if anything brian cashman…he should be fired for not trading hughes for santana.

by Agreen07 on Jul 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's

watch this break on BBTN.

"Hey hows the playoff push coming? How about adding the AL MVP (Milton Bradley) to your lineup, would that help? Oh, your top 3 prospects? Sure, don't mind if I do." -Future Jon Daniels quote (developed by SaltyGoesYard)

by dstar442005 on Jul 6, 2008 6:21 PM CDT   0 recs

shoot

we should have got in on that.

"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007

by Longhorn on Jul 6, 2008 6:23 PM CDT   0 recs

For who?

Sabathia? Or LaPorta?

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

cc

"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007

by Longhorn on Jul 6, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Guhgree

C.C. starting tomorrow against the LAAAAAAs would have been nice.

( opens hornet’s nest )

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 6, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But he's a rental

Would you be willing to give up a package that included Chris Davis for a three month rental of Sabathia and two picks?

Junior Mayberry

by jparks77 on Jul 6, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No not as the Rangers are constructed now but...

If they were with in a game or two of the Halos and had a realistic chance of catching them and doing something in the playoffs then yes.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jul 6, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jul 6, 2008 7:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And playing over their heads

I hate to say it, but… a lot of this isn’t sustainable. Even with everyone healthy. Look at our run differential in relation to W-L.

Hard Drive Manufacturer Hires Barkley

by BudLight on Jul 6, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Look at the Angels...

Only +22 runs and 18 games over? That’s unsustainable.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 6, 2008 10:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True

And they will slide, but can you expect us to surpass them?

Hard Drive Manufacturer Hires Barkley

by BudLight on Jul 6, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

make a run at 'em, sure...

...this is another one of those “this-series-will-tell-us-a-lot-about-our-team” series…

by oc on Jul 6, 2008 10:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LAA series

It means more to the Rangers than Angels. LAAA is a veteran team playing a team with numerous injureis and playing a number of rookies. The Angels should take 3 of 4 games.

"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."

by RangerMad on Jul 6, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if Chan Ho Park can four-hit the Angels at home...

...no, wait… if the Dodgers can be no-hit and still win… at home… i think the Rangers can pull off a couple of games… at the very least… outslug ‘em if you have to.

but, i don’t watch the games with my eyes, sir…

the Rangers will sweep.

by oc on Jul 6, 2008 11:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the guy

the Indians would want to get from the Rangers in a CC deal would be Andrus. They need a SS badly.

"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler

by sprite on Jul 6, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Geez

I didn’t realize how bad Peralta has been this year till I looked him up after reading your comment.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 6, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Think something like Davis + Vallejo + Gomez. All that for a rental who hardly guarantees you a playoff spot, and who is guaranteed to hit the market. Eff that.

This is doubly good for us. No chance we trade for Sabathia or Sheets now.

by LiamP on Jul 6, 2008 7:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, but

the Rangers could pretty much kill any team with quantity. JMJ, Vallejo, a couple of A/AA pitchers. I suppose it really depends on the trading teams’ needs.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 6, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Generally

Teams will take the one elite prospect over the handful of B- guys.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 6, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand

but it depends what that team’s needs are. If they target a player you have, then good luck getting them off that player. And of course, a quantity deal would be much more feasable for a lesser talent than C.C.

The Rangers will soon have either Borbon or whatshisname as very good CF propects. They will garner some attention, if ever dangled.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 6, 2008 7:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What do you think of Mayberry?

Is his defense so bad that it would prevent him from being valued as an above-average COF?

"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants

by Chase Irwin on Jul 7, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's more his offense

BA, BB & SO rate than anything to do with his D…he is supposed to be a good defender.

See JP’s sig for a good link on JMJ.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Jul 7, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Check his AAA line

.900 OPS in the PCL—this dude’s ready for MLB.

He’s striking out once every 6.7 PA’s, which is much improved.

1:2 BB/SO in AAA.

If he’s a good defender on top of that, then Marlon Byrd needs to be traded / DFA’d ASAP. Mayberry seems like he could put up .275 / .330 / .490, which is an above-average COF, coupled with his defense.

There are currently only 29 OF’ers in MLB with an OPS above .820.

"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants

by Chase Irwin on Jul 7, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I say wait

Wait until September on him. It took him this long to finally have it click for him and show the promise that made him a first round pick so let him continue to have success in the minors a little while longer. Plus hes not a CF which means if we brought him up Hamilton would have to play CF more which would probably mean less out of him since he would need more days off. Byrd is doing a fine job if nothing else allowing Hamilton to play RF alot and save himself since he has already played about the same number of games this season as he did all last season.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might