Brewers, Indians Agree On Sabathia
by Excel Hearts Choi
on Jul 6, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, a Sabathia deal has been agreed upon. Literally, the entire article reads:
I just was told by a reliable club source that the Brewers have a deal in place with Cleveland for left-hander C.C. Sabathia, contingent on the paperwork being done and medical records exchanged.
But believe me, folks, that's a deal. All that other stuff is formality.
All I know so far is that top prospect Matt LaPorta is in the deal. I was told two lower-level minor leaguers also are included. The Brewers refused to include another top prospect such as Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel.
Look for Sabathia to make his debut for the Brewers Tuesday night at Miller Park against Colorado.
I'll post more details as I get them.
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Cleveland too
They just traded their ace and their getting a first baseman who’s bat is nice, but a lot of players’ bats are nice in the minors.
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on
Jul 6, 2008 6:24 PM CDT
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in their defense...
...keeping him in Cleveland was a longshot…
all their doing is maximizing his return.
here’s what i don’t understand… what kind of pitching are the Tribe getting in return?
that’s a rather… large… hole to fill in that rotation.
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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In more ways than one!
har har har har har
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
by TheBZA on
Jul 6, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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according to Heyman...
...the Indians are asking for positional players only…
that’s incredible…
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 6:50 PM CDT
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so... i suppose you roll out there next year with a rotation of...
Cliff Lee
Fausto Carmona
Jake Westbrook
and
Paul Byrd?...
Jensen Lewis?...
Adam Miller?...
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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better than ours.
thats for sure.
2 games over 500 please.
by DSheppard on
Jul 6, 2008 6:59 PM CDT
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Westbrook
Will he be healthy then?
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 6, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
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hell they want position players?
I’ll trade em Kinsler for Carmona in a heartbeat.
by Agreen07 on
Jul 6, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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hahaha
I was curious what kind of reaction that would get….
by Agreen07 on
Jul 6, 2008 7:13 PM CDT
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in all honesty though
He has Ace potential and he’s only 24
by Agreen07 on
Jul 6, 2008 7:15 PM CDT
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Not enough Ks...
...to be an ace…
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 6, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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that's actually probably true
how is he so good given his WHIP and low k’s…i never understood it.
by Agreen07 on
Jul 6, 2008 7:23 PM CDT
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Ground ball pitcher and a lot of luck...
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jul 6, 2008 11:19 PM CDT
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Come on though...
Kinsler for 3 months of CC. No Way.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 6, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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You did above...
“I’ll trade em Kinsler for Carmone in a heartbeat.”
Unless you were being sarcastic, which I hope you were.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 6, 2008 7:25 PM CDT
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Carmona
He’s under team control through 2012.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 6, 2008 7:25 PM CDT
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u said cc
"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007
by Longhorn on
Jul 6, 2008 7:26 PM CDT
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Ah shit...
never mind. Just have CC on my mind. Sorry Agreen.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jul 6, 2008 7:27 PM CDT
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Shapiro is Sharp
This is a no-brainer. CLE is out of this season and Sabathia is not likely to return to the Indians if he wants to “test” the free agent market. So, why not get something for him in the meantime.
Daniels did the same thing with Texeira and it was the smart move.
by Austin Ranger on
Jul 6, 2008 8:02 PM CDT
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huh?...
...this is an awful move by Shapiro. with the way C.C. is pitching, i would have rolled him out there for a couple of more starts, maxed his value a little higher… and more importantly, gotten the outside candidates to compete…
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 8:08 PM CDT
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or he slips
on the rubber and hurts his out of shape ass and you get nothing for him. LaPorta is a pretty nice get in his self
by blueballlefty on
Jul 6, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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that's a level argument...
...LaPorta could pull a hamstring rounding the bases… and he plays almost daily.
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 10:45 PM CDT
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not level
LaPorta has atleast 5 years to heal, where as CC has 1 month before the trade deadline
by blueballlefty on
Jul 6, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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Who?
Who are the other candidates for Sabathia and could the offer someone better than LaPorta? Two more starts would not up Sabathia’s value. It might have decreased it since that would be 2 less starts for the acquiring team. LaPorta plus 2 other player sis probably better than the draft pick compensation the Indians would have gotten.
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
by RangerMad on
Jul 6, 2008 8:46 PM CDT
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Laporta is a great prospect
He’s more than worth a three-month rental of CC. Take into account that they’re losing the draft compensation, though, and you’d have to mull this one over.
by BudLight on
Jul 6, 2008 9:22 PM CDT
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is he worth more than
main and beaven though b/c that the value we got out of draft picks last season Gary “stinkin” Mathews Jr.
id take beaven and main over Laporta. maybe thats me and you can get that without trading the guy all season.
the question is who are the 2 minor leaguers other than laporta and who is the PTBNL, who did they draft that was high pick last season that has value but cant be traded yet? if those 3 are good plus prospects its much different
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on
Jul 6, 2008 9:37 PM CDT
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GMJ
He got you Main and Ramirez, not Beavan and Main.
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Jul 6, 2008 9:39 PM CDT
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my bad your right
still take 2 very highly thought of pitchers over a power hitting 1b. you can find good hitting 1b elsewhere in the draft (see chris davis)
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on
Jul 6, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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Davis is an exception ot the rule
You very rarely find players of his caliber in round 5.
If you get a contributor, you’ve got what you wanted all along. I don’t give a flip what position it comes from. Don’t you think we could have used an impact 1B bat earlier this year? Such things can’t be taken for granted.
by BudLight on
Jul 6, 2008 10:01 PM CDT
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ok not just in the draft i meant
we got raffy twice, will, and Agone and all of those guys fit the category of 1b i would love to have on my team, and we never had to give up an ace to get any of them. I would never in my life give up an ace no matter what his contract situation was for a good power hitting 1b, especially just a prospect. ill find one of those on the FA market and load up in the draft. Hell Gamel was a 4th rounder. and he was the reason they moved Laporta.
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on
Jul 6, 2008 10:23 PM CDT
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Well
For two of those guys, we had to give up an elite closer.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 6, 2008 10:28 PM CDT
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not an ace though
I don’t think its a bad deal for the Indians, but I just don’t see it as a great one for them
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on
Jul 6, 2008 10:42 PM CDT
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fine by me.
you ok including mitch williams for raffy or any1 swapping Captain “I’m in prison for 14 years for setting my gardener on fire” for Agone?
and besides, neither one of those guys were “elite” closers. good closers? no doubt about it but, Mariano is or [i]was[/i] an “elite” closer, trevor hoffman was an “elite” closer. mitch willaims and uggie? we signed him in 2003 and traded him in july and was a FA in October of that season and we got Adrian Gonzalez for him. neither were elite closers
1b are around and they can be had and you dont have to give up aces to get them.
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
by Jayslick on
Jul 6, 2008 10:47 PM CDT
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That got a good baseball player.
Doesn’t matter what position.
by tyd3311 on
Jul 6, 2008 10:49 PM CDT
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not really
if anything brian cashman…he should be fired for not trading hughes for santana.
by Agreen07 on
Jul 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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Let's
watch this break on BBTN.
"Hey hows the playoff push coming? How about adding the AL MVP (Milton Bradley) to your lineup, would that help? Oh, your top 3 prospects? Sure, don't mind if I do." -Future Jon Daniels quote (developed by SaltyGoesYard)
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Jul 6, 2008 6:21 PM CDT
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shoot
we should have got in on that.
"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007
by Longhorn on
Jul 6, 2008 6:23 PM CDT
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We couldn't have made them an offer they wanted for LaPorta...
they want to win now and wanted a stud SP. We don’t have that.
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Jul 6, 2008 6:41 PM CDT
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Guhgree
C.C. starting tomorrow against the LAAAAAAs would have been nice.
( opens hornet’s nest )
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on
Jul 6, 2008 6:44 PM CDT
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But he's a rental
Would you be willing to give up a package that included Chris Davis for a three month rental of Sabathia and two picks?
by jparks77 on
Jul 6, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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No not as the Rangers are constructed now but...
If they were with in a game or two of the Halos and had a realistic chance of catching them and doing something in the playoffs then yes.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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Jul 6, 2008 6:57 PM CDT
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the Rangers will be 3.5 games back on Friday.
watch.
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 7:08 PM CDT
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And playing over their heads
I hate to say it, but… a lot of this isn’t sustainable. Even with everyone healthy. Look at our run differential in relation to W-L.
by BudLight on
Jul 6, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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Look at the Angels...
Only +22 runs and 18 games over? That’s unsustainable.
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Jul 6, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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True
And they will slide, but can you expect us to surpass them?
by BudLight on
Jul 6, 2008 10:22 PM CDT
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make a run at 'em, sure...
...this is another one of those “this-series-will-tell-us-a-lot-about-our-team” series…
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 10:48 PM CDT
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LAA series
It means more to the Rangers than Angels. LAAA is a veteran team playing a team with numerous injureis and playing a number of rookies. The Angels should take 3 of 4 games.
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
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Jul 6, 2008 10:56 PM CDT
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if Chan Ho Park can four-hit the Angels at home...
...no, wait… if the Dodgers can be no-hit and still win… at home… i think the Rangers can pull off a couple of games… at the very least… outslug ‘em if you have to.
but, i don’t watch the games with my eyes, sir…
the Rangers will sweep.
by oc on
Jul 6, 2008 11:11 PM CDT
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I think the guy
the Indians would want to get from the Rangers in a CC deal would be Andrus. They need a SS badly.
"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler
by sprite on
Jul 6, 2008 7:00 PM CDT
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Exactly
Think something like Davis + Vallejo + Gomez. All that for a rental who hardly guarantees you a playoff spot, and who is guaranteed to hit the market. Eff that.
This is doubly good for us. No chance we trade for Sabathia or Sheets now.
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Jul 6, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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No, but
the Rangers could pretty much kill any team with quantity. JMJ, Vallejo, a couple of A/AA pitchers. I suppose it really depends on the trading teams’ needs.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on
Jul 6, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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Generally
Teams will take the one elite prospect over the handful of B- guys.
by Adam J. Morris on
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I understand
but it depends what that team’s needs are. If they target a player you have, then good luck getting them off that player. And of course, a quantity deal would be much more feasable for a lesser talent than C.C.
The Rangers will soon have either Borbon or whatshisname as very good CF propects. They will garner some attention, if ever dangled.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on
Jul 6, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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What do you think of Mayberry?
Is his defense so bad that it would prevent him from being valued as an above-average COF?
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by Chase Irwin on
Jul 7, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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It's more his offense
BA, BB & SO rate than anything to do with his D…he is supposed to be a good defender.
See JP’s sig for a good link on JMJ.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on
Jul 7, 2008 1:27 PM CDT
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Check his AAA line
.900 OPS in the PCL—this dude’s ready for MLB.
He’s striking out once every 6.7 PA’s, which is much improved.
1:2 BB/SO in AAA.
If he’s a good defender on top of that, then Marlon Byrd needs to be traded / DFA’d ASAP. Mayberry seems like he could put up .275 / .330 / .490, which is an above-average COF, coupled with his defense.
There are currently only 29 OF’ers in MLB with an OPS above .820."I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
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Jul 7, 2008 3:09 PM CDT
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I say wait
Wait until September on him. It took him this long to finally have it click for him and show the promise that made him a first round pick so let him continue to have success in the minors a little while longer. Plus hes not a CF which means if we brought him up Hamilton would have to play CF more which would probably mean less out of him since he would need more days off. Byrd is doing a fine job if nothing else allowing Hamilton to play RF alot and save himself since he has already played about the same number of games this season as he did all last season.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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Jul 7, 2008 3:25 PM CDT
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I'm with you
September is soon enough for him.
To Chase above, I can’t imagine there is much of a market for Byrd, and I think your numbers for Mayberry in MLB are a bit optimistic. I’d plan on something more like .250/.310/.490.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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Jul 7, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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So you don't put as much stock in his AAA numbers?
I thought it was a fairly significant sample.
To bigsteve, I don’t think Hamilton playing RF is exactly resting him. I don’t really believe in that. If you’re worried about his health, sit him altogether, preferably against lefties, which would allow Boggs to play CF and destroy LHP like he does.
Byrd is completely expendable. I hate to see him occupying a roster spot, playing against RHP instead of Boggs, especially with someone knocking on the door.
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
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Jul 7, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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I'm hopeful,
but trying to be realistic. I just think the major league pitchers are going to be able to exploit his longish swing more than AAA arms. I’ve been watching his numbers closely this year. The decrease in K’s and the surge in line drives upon his move to OKC was very encouraging. But both number have moved in the wrong direction the last month.
I’m hoping he’s just slumping a bit, but we should watch to see if he makes an adjustment soon or snaps out of a slump. Yes it’s a decent sized sample, but you’re also weighting it against about 1300 previous minor league at bats. I’d give him another 200 in OKC before moving him up unless injury or trade creates a strong need before then.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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Jul 7, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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Yeah
I buy your argument about waiting till September, it’s just that I think he is a better alternative NOW.
I guess I was thinking August is best because he could get a decent amount of AB’s before the year is out, which would allow us to “decide” if he’s ready to be a starting COF in ‘09. I’m not sure if he could get enough AB’s over a month to allow us some notice—for instance, re-signing Bradley or not.
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
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Jul 7, 2008 5:28 PM CDT
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Unless the 2 A/AA pitchers are 2 of Main, Beavan, and Holland
That won’t cut it for CC
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bah!
way for me to lose my top pitcher in my AL-Only keeper league
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on
Jul 6, 2008 6:26 PM CDT
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Ha!
If it makes you feel any better I was hoping thedirkatron had him.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jul 6, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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ha ha ha
Thanks, pal ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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Jul 6, 2008 7:31 PM CDT
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Sucks
You know I was considering making a serious offer on CC earlier in the year but held off on it for this very reason.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on
Jul 6, 2008 7:35 PM CDT
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What do you think...
Should I at least get rights to LaPorta?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on
Jul 6, 2008 9:22 PM CDT
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If you can get him off waivers, sure;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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Parksie and I
Just lost LaPorta in a NL league. And it sucks.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
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Jul 6, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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BOOOO
well cross him off your holiday list!
Like someone that good would come here anyway.. fat crooked hat chance!
"I am right even when I'm wrong."
the unstoppable MILES
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Damn good deal
for the Brew Crew, it sounds.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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This just goes to show you
How good of deal JD made last year for Tex.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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Jul 6, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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Well it sounds as if
The Tribe didn’t get anywhere near the package that JD got for Tex. I would have thought Cleveland could have got more for C.C. than what they got.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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Jul 6, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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Teixiera was packaged with Ranger great Ron Mahay...
...thus maximizing the return.
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Jul 6, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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the deal was maximized because Atlanta got 1and a half years of Tex.
Not because of Mahay.
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by NYTXFAN on
Jul 6, 2008 8:41 PM CDT
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It was a joke
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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Jul 6, 2008 8:48 PM CDT
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Mahay was worth a lot more than you think
very good lefty setup guy, plus he was a virtual lock to be a type FA, which meant a sandwich pick.
I can’t speculate on exactly what parts of the package Mahay was responsible for, but his contribution to the deal was greater than most people seem to think.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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Jul 6, 2008 11:14 PM CDT
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I don't think any of the prospects we got
were as highly touted as LaPorta.
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i'm beginning to wonder...
...if Neftali Feliz was the one Daniels really wanted.
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No doubt
Not to mention JD got Beau Jones as a throw in because Harrison was hurt at the time of the deal.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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hey Morris...
...is Feliz who Daniels really wanted last year?
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Morris and JD are friends?
They talk shop together?
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well he knows everything...
...i like a know-it-all’s opinion.
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Beats me
Although, if I had to guess, I think the one guy out there the Rangers really wanted - the guy who they held off making any deal until they determined they couldn’t get him - was Kershaw.
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I wonder if we would have rushed Kershaw just like
the Dodgers did.
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i dont think we do
just a hunch though
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
.501 or bust!
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Some would say Salty was.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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I thought they only settled on Salty
after not being able to get Jordan Schafer.
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they settled on the atl deal
when they didn’t get anything better from any other team. But, i would like to see what Boston’s final offer was again…
"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007
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Jul 6, 2008 9:31 PM CDT
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I remember reading over the offseason
That Daniels initially asked for Schafer +.
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Jul 6, 2008 9:35 PM CDT
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Besides
Tex as 1 1/2 year, rather than just 1/2 year.
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
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excellent move by Melvin...
...the Brewers are going to have a tough time competing with the Cubbies and Cards… this move makes them an easy Wild-Card favorite.
nobody in the NL West or East seems to want it right now…
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i hope this boosts his fantasy value
i guess it should a little, since the brew crew have a better offense. but im not exactly thrilled by their bullpen
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how do ya' think C.C. will fare in that league?
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Agreed
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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and the guy can hit too
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Hahahaha
I’m going to go laugh at all of these Indians fans in my dorm.
LOL
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i just hope we make a bid on him in the offseason
2 games over 500 please.
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You don't
think the Brewers will lock him up?
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by miles on
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That is a lot of draft picks
for Sheets and Sabathia.
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True
I hope the Rangers get in on Sheets though.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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In the offseason?
If I went for a injury prone pitcher, I’d go after AJ Burnett.
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Burnett has proved he can pitch in the AL
which is a big positive, but if I’m going to spend money on FA we might as well cough up the extra dough and go for a legit #1 Ace…Sheets baby.
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And I'm a huge Burnett fan too
But I think we missed out badly on not making the trade for Beckett. We need that ace here, not only to lead our rotation but also to mentor guys like Hurley/Harrison/Feliz over the next season and a half.
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you know...
...it would be nice if the Rangers could get a power-lefty in here…
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Hope for Kiker, Holland, and maybe Perez
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Don't forget Robbie Ross!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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He's going to be a tough sign.
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Nah
They’ll drag it out to August 15th just like Nera and Bourbon, but he’ll sign. His demands were so well known going into the draft that you have to believe the Rangers took him knowing full well what it would take to sign him and fully prepared to do it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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Nera
Saw that nickname in some post and it seemed to refer to Nolan Ryan, like the way someone with severe speech impediment would say it.
Neil Ramirez. Got it.
Go Strangers.
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Jul 6, 2008 11:22 PM CDT
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lol
I remembered interpreting that as “Nolan Era.”
NeRa is a good one though. Can we still have Nera? I don’t know if LSB’ers could handle the distinction ..
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I thought Ross operated in the 90-93 range
I just included Perez because he’s so young it’s almost assumed he’ll develop more velo
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Ross is very young too
and with a very similar profile to our boy Kiker. It’s very possible Ross adds a little more velo.
Although none of those guys is likely to sit at 95-98 like CC does.
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problem with those guys?...
...years away…
how about something soon?... if Kason Gabbard is the only lefty you’re starting on the mound… you’ve got some problems…
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Matt Harrison
should be here soon and is pretty good
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that's a crafty lefty.
and a crafty lefty’s success is predicated on one thing: outstanding control.
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or facing the Rangers
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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harrison:saunders
hopefully with the same results.
2 games over 500 please.
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Well lets hope we end the year better than last year so
our draft slot will be higher. I’d much rather lose a mid 20 1st rounder than anything lower than that.
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they arnt really big spenders.
im sure they will try, but i doubt they will offer what CC knows he can get on the open market.
2 games over 500 please.
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What player
from the Rangers organization would you compare Matt Laporta to?
Max Ram?
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That's like saying "Super Jesus."
"Boy, that is a gutless, 6-foot-7, .200-hitting formerly good player. What a joke." -Tom Grieve RE: Richie Sexson
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he's actually more of a MaxRam
Great plate discipline, less power than Davis.
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The power is debatable
LaPorta has 32 HR in 114 career MiLB games. He has legit power potential. Projection wise he might not have 40+ as Davis does but he is definitely in the same class.
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he'd be #1 in our system
2 games over 500 please.
by DSheppard on
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I think it is debateable...
...whether LaPorta would be ahead of Davis or Smoak…
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i think
he would get the edge over smoak for having done it in the minors, and the edge over davis for having the good k/bb ratio.
but yeah with the raw production davis has put up and smoak being a similar top college hitter, i suppose its debatable. he is certainly on their tier though, above maxram.
2 games over 500 please.
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Except
Davis is younger, and has more defensive value. And has put up numbers in AAA that LaPorta is putting up in AA.
LaPorta isn’t playing for Huntsville tonight, fwiw…
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Why does Davis has more defensive value?
Has he proven he’s a quality 1B?
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LaPorta
Stretched at 1B and LF. More of a DH.
Davis is athletic enough to be able to play 1B or RF, and is probably more likely to stick and provide value at one of those positions.
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well its personal opinion I guess.
granted, I should have stated it as such when I said he was #1.
ill just say id be surprised if BA and BP and such rated davis above laporta today. obviously both are up there though.
2 games over 500 please.
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wrong
Feliz is number 1 in our system
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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After much thought...
...I’ve changed my mind. I voted Feliz #1, but I think now I’d go Davis, Smoak, Feliz.
by Adam J. Morris on
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If Feliz approached his Clinton numbers
He’d have to be #1 though, right?
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Feliz's Clinton numbers
and scouting reports are why he’s number 1. What he does in Frisco really won’t change my opinion on him too much as long as there isn’t a huge spike in walks.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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Eh.
Much as I like the midseason grades, it’s a weird time to rank prospects with Feliz just promoted and Smoak still unsigned.
In a couple weeks people could be revising the position of both players.
Go Strangers.
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also interesting,
the brewers had the most early picks in this past draft as well. they could build a very strong farm on the backs of these two drafts.
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Their offense is money right now though
I guess they don’t have the money or farm to have a quality rotation (reminds me of the Rangers)
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An interesting move.
The Brewers are clearly in “win now” mode, and if they think this is their year, it’s a nice move.
That said… Sabathia’s not going to re-up with the Brewers, at least not until testing the FA waters. So it’s one of those “wait and see” deals. If the Brewers make the playoffs and make it to the NLCS, it’s not a bad deal. But if the Brewers fall on their face and miss the playoffs, or if the Cubs and Cards continue the way they’re going, it’s going to have a lot of Milwaukee fans upset.
The Indians are apparently content with going into rebuilding mode, and LaPorta is a nice piece. It makes me wonder who else is available from the Tribe.
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making the playoffs would be enough...
...they haven’t gone in 26 years…
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good deal for both teams
LaPorta will be masher in the Indians lineup for years starting in 2009. The Brewers make the early trade and get an extra 5-6 starts from Sabathia. My predictions is that the Dodgers sign Sabathia in the offseason.
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
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Dodgers?
I think we should be more worried that the other LA team, LAA, gets sabathia, especially if they underperform in the postseason.
baseBALLIN!
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it's kinda funny to be saying this in light of the Matthews and Hunter signings...
...but pitching isn’t their problem.
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I wonder why....
The Indians felt they needed to deal Sabathia this far ahead of the deadline?
I know the Brewers were giving them a timetable to accept their deal, but it seems that they could have held on to Sabathia till the deadline and maybe got someone like Tampa or Boston to panic and overpay.
I guess they REALLY wanted LaPorta.
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Boston
doesn’t need rotation help…can’t see why they would want Sabathia.
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Ehh call up
Buccholz
Masterson
Dice-K
Beckett
Lester
Colon
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And Wakefield and Bowden
Yah, Bahsten is set.
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Thats beside the point....
all i was trying to say is why not wait until someone panics and gives you alot more.
it dosen’t have to be Boston.
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good for milwaukee though
if you are making a dear for a reantal pitcher, better 3 months than 2.
2 games over 500 please.
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deal for a rental...
obviously.
but yeah, is strange that they didnt drag it out to try to get everything they can. Different contenders could arise in the next few weeks.
2 games over 500 please.
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From what I understand....
...Melvin’s position is, we’ll give up more now for Sabathia than we will at the end of July…this is the offer, but it won’t be there at the end of the month…
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I like that stance
Give them your very best offer in early June, when you don’t typically have multiple bidders, and you also get the extra 4-5 starts. Very decisive, and ballsy. I’d hope that JD would make a similar move in the same situation.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
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early July
not June
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
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other player
could be Taylor Green. He is a 3B currently in the FSL.
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=31805
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
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Joba
he’s fun to watch.
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what does kevin youkilis think hes doing
2 games over 500 please.
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Lol.
Gammons just said “crossing the i’s”
"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007
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So are they dotting the t's?
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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Somehow
Milwaukee just traded Ben Sheets for Dellucci instead of completing the Sabathia deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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"And all they had to give up was Ben Sheets!? Great deal for Milwaukee."
-Mark Teixeira
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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This is a smart deal for Milwaukee
If Milwaukee falls out of the race in the next month, then they have two ace’s to trade to contenders. If they stay in, they’ll have two #1’s going into the stretch and playoffs (always a great thing), and then get 4 bonus draft picks next year. After their heavy draft this year, Milwaukee is both rebuilding and contending at the same time.
LaPorta is a cheap price for all that.
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Isn't there some rule
about dealing a player x number of days after trading for him?
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See Piazza, Mike
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
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Let's get Burnett
The Blue Jays have stated they want at least a shortstop in return for Burnett. He is a good strikeout pitcher who is keeping the ball in the park for a light hitting team.
Why not send the Jays Arias, Gold (since we won’t give him a chance) and another lower prospect for Burnett? I think that is a deal worth making that doesn’t set us back anything… and may insert a solid ace pitcher into the rotation.
I think we could have put a better package together for CC, but trading for Burnett and making a FA run for Sabathia and/or Sheets in the fall is a nice fall back.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
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I'm sorry...
did you just suggest Burnett for Arias, Gold, and another player?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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Sounds like a deal
that TR Sullivan would approve of.
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Yea I almost fell off the couch laughing
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
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+10000000000000
"Why do you need the stereo and the tv on?"
"Cause I like to pawrty."
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thats quotable
and for the unforeseeable future will be.
I'm sorry...did you just suggest Burnett for Arias, Gold, and another player?- slc ranger
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Seriously?
“Why not send the Jays Arias, Gold (since we won’t give him a chance) and another lower prospect for Burnett?”
Because Arias is basically a non-prospect, Gold is a complete non-prospect and the other player is a lower prospect. Burnett is good and the package you just described wouldn’t be enough to trade for a Josh Rupe type RHP, let alone AJ Burnett.
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You could get Rupe for that
c’mon….but Burnett? no way.
I do think it’d be dumb for the Rangers to trade anything of value for a free agent to be SP. Just money whip them in the offseason. They’re going to have to do that anyway.
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I would not trade Rupe
for that package. You don’t acquire a bunch of garbage for a guy who contributes – even in a minor way – at the major league level.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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nate Gold?
no one wants nate gold.. he isn’t good, any team that wanted him could have had him this past off-season. get over nate gold.
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Only if the lower prospect was Neftali would they even think about that
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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good oeverview of the deal
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
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OT: Arod's wife
hires a Houston Divorce Lawyer. HMmmmm.
"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007
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Make him pay
for those 24 kids!!!
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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Ha Ha
It took a second to get that. How many will?
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
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About one in a million will think that's funny
We call it the Dennis Miller ratio.
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lol
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
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Wonder if
She found him on Facebook.
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Good redemption
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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So basically....
The Indians traded CC for Kenny Lofton and change.
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Heres the deal
10:11pm: Haudricourt has names. He says the Indians are getting LaPorta, Zach Jackson, Rob Bryson, and maybe Taylor Green. Green could end up in the deal as a player to be named later.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
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Bryson = #11 prospect – 55 IP 73/20 k/bb in A ball
Green = #17 .824 OPS in A+
Jackson – Played in a futures game, was #10 Brewers prospect in ‘06, getting shelled in AAA this year – he’s a 6’5 Aggy
LaPorta = stud
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Ranger equivilants
Bryson – Poveda
Green – Whittleman
Jackson – Littleton???
LaPorta – Davis
"Publicly, Beavan has said in an interview that his velocity has dropped because he's not used to throwing as much and because of all the travel -- late night bus rides, sleeping in hotels, not the best nutrition, etc."
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Sounds good to me...
Poveda has obviously struggled more this year – but he’s a good comp.
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Found this interesting
Part of KLaws analysis of the trade
Rob Bryson has the potential to be this deal’s Neftali Feliz—a young, projectable pitcher who, a year later, looks like the key to the trade. Bryson’s arm isn’t quite as live as Feliz’s (few are), but he has a potentially plus fastball/slider combo and misses a ton of bats already with both pitches. He’s a great athlete and physically could start, but his command is still below-average, and his control is significantly better in relief.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jul 6, 2008 11:49 PM CDT
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I like Bryson a lot
when i was looking at their farm for a potential match for Millwood or Padilla, I saw Bryson and really liked his numbers.
Still, to call him a potential Feliz is quite optimistic.
by clark on
Jul 6, 2008 11:57 PM CDT
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Harrison
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Yall can watch him pitch by click the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA
by mchang4 on
Jul 7, 2008 12:32 AM CDT
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Woo Hoo
I am glad he is out of the AL. He was a Ranger killer. Maybe it is my imagination, but it seems that the Indians always have Ranger Killers on their team. Paul Sorrento is a name that seems causes me to break into a cold sweat.
Ephesians 1:3-10
by kwellborn on
Jul 7, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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There is no dot between CC anymore
"I really think JD is probably going to be one of the best things ever to happen to the Rangers." - Longhorn, May 27th, 2007
by Longhorn on
Jul 7, 2008 5:20 PM CDT
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