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Neftali Feliz...Andrus and Borbon, Too

Last night my friend Rich and I ventured across to Dr. Pepper Ballpark to see Neftali Feliz pitch against the Arkansas Travelers. Coincidence that the Angels' Texas League affiliate is in town at the same time as the big club? Probably.

We had a great view of Feliz from two rows behind the Travelers' dugout. My Clif's Notes version of his outing: Impressive for most of his 5 IP. The things that immediately jumped out at me about him are that the smooth delivery and seeming effortlessness of his pitching are true. He throws gas the way I throw crumpled up balls of paper in the trashcan. For most of the first three innings he consistently worked his fastball from 96-98 mph according to the stadium gun. He easily dialed it up to 99 on several occasions for out pitches. From our angle I didn't get a good feel for his offspeed stuff...my impression is that he has a pretty good change but that his breaking stuff is there but either needs more development or that he's not used it that much up to this point.

The only possible flaw I saw about Feliz from my vantage point was that I think he tipped a few of his pitches to runners on 1B. 4 of the 5 Travelers' SB were on Feliz. On the last two, I noticed he was bringing the ball down behind his right leg and I could easily see him changing his grip on it from my seat, which means that it must have looked like it was up on the jumbotron for the runner on first. I think the Travelers picked up on that early on and ran on him when he gave them the chance by throwing breaking stuff. I didn't notice any SB on him when he was more circumspect with the ball.

The game beyond Feliz was pretty disappointing. The Travelers had a horrible record coming into this game, but the Riders played like the April edition of the Rangers after Feliz left...Garr and Diaz pitched batting practice and combined with committing 3 errors and giving up a 3 run shot to a guy hitting .107 coming into this game, the Travelers blew a close game wide open.

This was also my first time to see Borbon and Andrus. Borbon's got serious wheels. I didn't get a very good feel for his outfield defense, but he's a demon on the basepaths and looks pretty adept at getting on. Andrus was a little harder to get a read on...he missed several balls at short, but I think that most of those were balls that his athleticism got him close to, not balls that he should have had. I did see one bobble on a routine play, but it was a minor thing that was still an out at first. We were treated to one of the funnier moments of the evening when Andrus was caught in a rundown and the Travelers' 1B dropped the ball when he went to tag Elvis.

And if there were 6,139 people at that game then I'm Governor of Texas. There must have been a whole lot of no shows.

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I was there too

and his changeup he basically announced to every one in the park he was throwing it with his weaker than usual leg kick. I dont really think tipping the pitches was the reason they were running. It was because, at this point in his career, he is terrible at holding runners close. He was really hanging Gradoville out to dry.

With Andrus, I honestly dont think many SSs would have gotten within diving distance of those balls. He has terrific feet and seems to really love playing the game.

Did you get the sense that Borbon didnt look fast but obviously was?

by booyahcaveman on Jul 8, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Leg Kick Makes Better Sense

I didn’t even think about the leg kick. That sounds way more probable than my tipping pitches idea. I did figure that it was definitely something Feliz was doing or not doing, though. By the time Gradoville received the ball, the guys who stole were usually within four or five steps of second. He was handcuffed.

I agree on Andrus…I heard some dude way up behind my friend and I yelling “c’mon, you gotta get those!” and I wanted to turn around and say “really? how about you give it a try.” That part of his game reminds me a bit of Kinsler, who looks like a bad fielder at times because he narrowly misses balls where most other 2Bs wouldn’t even be able to make a play.

Borbon looks like a track and field guy to me, but yeah, he’s fast the same way Feliz throws gas. He doesn’t look like he’s laboring when he’s running; he’s not a mass of flailing arms or high knee action. He’s just fast as hell. He’s got the kind of speed where if you blink, you’re going to miss him taking second on a double or stealing a base.

by Mister Naxal on Jul 8, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what..

we might have been in the same section. I was with a buddy of mine in section 119. We both pitched in college for 4 years and went only to see Feliz pitch. The game did completely unravel after he left and it lost some of its luster. Feliz just had such a fluid motion and had great extension on his pitches. I mentioned this an earlier thread but he elevated the ball in the strike zone well. He did a very good job of working the top half of the zone and then going low in it. I realize some of them werent intentional but for being 20 I was impressed with his seemingly advance understanding of pitcher. You saw it when he the board displayed ‘01’. My buddy and I thought that was a misreading but you could tell he geared up a bit more on the pitch.

How freaking exciting are the trio of Borbon, Vallejo and Andrus? I wasnt impressed by Vallejo’s defense. He false stepped once or twice They can all fly however it seemed the Borbon was the more polished baserunner when it came to reading the pitcher and his turns on basepaths. That probably has to do with the fact that he has collegiate experience where Andrus does not.

by booyahcaveman on Jul 8, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We Were

We were in the same section. We were in 119; our tickets were for row 7, but since no one was sitting down around row 2, we moved down. We spent most of Feliz’s time in the game sitting 2 rows behind the visitor’s dugout. There were four people sitting in the front row to our left and a guy and his son sitting in the front row to our right. After the second food run, we moved further up in the section. My friend was wearing a Bradley t-shirt and was taking pictures; I was wearing a Spokane t-shirt and wasn’t doing much of anything except watching the game!

That was one thing that I was constantly reminding myself while Feliz was in the game last night: “He’s only 20. This is his first AA start. He’s only 20. This is his first AA start.” I suppose like the basketball maxim that you can’t teach height, you can’t teach easy 98 mph heat. My impression from watching him last night was that his natural talent with the fastball is eye popping. Everything about his delivery…the ease, the repeatability and, like you mention, the fluid motion, just screamed “real deal”. My friend and I also saw that “01” on the stadium gun. At first I thought that was because Gradoville had to block the ball and that the blocking somehow threw the reading off. As my friend pointed out later when Gradoville blocked an almost identical Feliz pitch, the gun read 96. So I think we were definitely looking at some 101 mph heat!

Agree 100% on Borbon being the more polished baserunner and on all three of their speed. I think that college experience is the difference between Borbon and Andrus. That rundown picture I linked in the fanpost, while funny to watch, was a great example of that difference in experience. I bet that if that was Borbon instead of Andrus, he probably would not have rounded first. I also kept reminding myself that Andrus is only 19 and that this is what minor league ball is for: Getting playing time, getting game experience and translating that experience into game-in game-out performance.

by Mister Naxal on Jul 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Yeah I was in a yellow polo and my buddy had a red shirt on. I had a backwards white sox hat on (dont ask me why, it was a gift haha) and my buddy had a backwards ND hat on.

I mean it just seems like everyone who sees him in Frisco will be watching the Rangers in a few years saying I saw him when. Yeah my buddy kept asking me how old he was and couldnt believe it. With Feliz, Borbon, Vallejo, and Andrus that is one of the more exciting AA teams around Im sure. I did like that before the game Borbon, Vallejo, and Andrus were seemingly inseperable. Also, Andrus just loves the game doesnt he? That is very refreshing.

With all the young players that are contributing at the big league level right now coupled with last night’s experience I am more excited about the Rangers than I have ever been and I have been a fan ever since I can remember. The Rangers really have the makings of something special if they just let these type of guys develop. They may finally have the arms to compete. Ill definitely be going to Feliz’s next start in Frisco and ill be there when Main, Beavan, and Holland come through Frisco hopefully sometime next yr. Seems like by the time the big time bats will be comfortable in the bigs, the arms will be reading to break in. I like where the Rangers are headed.

by booyahcaveman on Jul 8, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Borbon

Glad to hear that he’s such an exciting player to watch.

I should have claimed him when people were locking in “their prospects.” After all the fear at draft time last year, many otherwise rational people seemed to keep hating him at #35. I have always been of the opinion that while I didn’t want him at #17, he was a steal that late. He’s going to be a major league outfielder, and very likely a good one.

by JBImaknee on Jul 8, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this sounds trite

but he’s going to have to learn to walk. He makes easy contact, and though he apparently has never hit for any power, he does hit the ball pretty hard. But he’s primarily going to be a singles/gap hitter and a base stealer offensively, and to be effective in that role he has to have a solid OBP. He does take pitches, doesn’t go to the plate with a desire to swing at everything, but one walk per 20 official at-bats won’t work in the majors for a player like him. Hopefully he’ll develop that.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 8, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

he doesn’t have to be a leadoff hitter. Even if he turned into a guy who hits for average 8th or 9th in the lineup and plays really good CF defense that would be nice to have.

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by Wes Cox on Jul 8, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would be sort of nice

It would be a little hard, though, for me to get too psyched about that player, when I have Josh Hamilton available to play CF and presumably an option in the corner who is actually an offensive asset. Whether Borbon hits at the top of the order or not, I think that he needs to have an OBP at least over .330 to be a decent player.

I’m not down on him, though. I just hope he can improve in that area, because it’s the difference between being a real quality player and just an okay one.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 8, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it bothered me

last night in one of his last at-bats when the pitcher went full up on him and then the situation was setting up an offspeed pitch and he still swung at the pitch in the dirt. I just dont want him to turn into Juan Pierre

by booyahcaveman on Jul 8, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see him

stay at Frisco the rest of this year, and the early part of next season working on that kind of thing. Let Hamilton play CF for another year to see what he does, and in the meantime, hedge your bets if possible by acquiring another young CF option.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 8, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, Z

One thing last night’s game got me interested in was taking in more Frisco games to get a better idea of Andrus & Borbon as well as Feliz.

Borbon strikes me as having the same kind of unteachable raw talent that Feliz has, only in his case it’s speed instead of a fastball. I’d like to see him stay in the Texas League until he shows a consistent batting eye and then see him translate that speed and plate discipline at AAA before throwing him out there in front of major league pitching.

by Mister Naxal on Jul 8, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Juan Pierre comp?

?

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"hit the ball hard"

I’m thinking more like a tame version of 2008 Vazquez

by FirebatM3 on Jul 9, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate on, Hater

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 9, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree..

with you. By young CF do you mean someone that is AA or higher that he competes with? Just wondering

by booyahcaveman on Jul 8, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Haven't thought about it

that much, speaking in general strategy terms. But in trades this summer I’d be targeting high ceiling pitchers, OFers that are close to the majors and 3B. Of course, I’m taking the best deal overall regardless of positions, but given the choice that’s what I’m looking for.

Not sure who TX would match up well with on those fronts, I need to troll through some other teams systems.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 8, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salts for McClutcheon

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd probably

do that deal.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 8, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First it was Milledge, then Chris Young that broke my heart

Mr. McCutcheon, come home son, come home…

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're not a great match

At least not with Salty since Doumit finally decided he’d stay healthy break out in a huge way. (.326/.372/.587)

I’d love to get my hands on A-McC, but it’d take a pretty sweet haul to get out of Pitt with the season he’s having in AAA and given the fact that they’re rebuilding.

Lead off with Andrus be prepared to add a nice pitching prospect or three on to it.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jul 9, 2008 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a match

you could say that about most any TX-Pitt proposal. Both teams are looking for young players under team control and are not likely to give up same. I didn’t realize Doumit was doing so well. Probably have to send them young pitching to get McCutcheon, and I don’t want to do that.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 9, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I didn't realize that about Doumit either

Needless to say, I haven’t been following Pitt that closely this year.

Salts was the only match that would be worth it at our end. Thwarted again.

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 9, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

parade-rainer-oner

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 9, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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