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As someone who has been cautiously optimistic about Luis Mendoza's ability to contribute to the Rangers, I was pretty disappointed in yesterday's outing.  That was an absolute disaster, with Mendoza simply having zero command of his pitches, and he would have been shelled if he'd pitched like that in Oklahoma or Frisco, much less Texas.

I do think, though, that bumping Mendoza from the rotation in favor of Dustin Nippert (who was outstanding yesterday, and showed why the Rangers wanted him in the organization) or Matt Harrison is premature.  Simply put, if you are trying to rebuild and figure out what you've got with your young pitching, you don't boot a guy from the rotation after two rough starts.

No question, if he pitches like he did yesterday, he's not a major leaguer.  If he commands his pitches -- particularly his fastball and slider -- like he did in his last few outings out of the bullpen, though, he can be a quality major league starter.  I think it is worth taking a little more time to see how he bounces back and to see if he can fix his command issues.

Richard Durrett says the Rangers felt they showed resiliance in coming back and making a game out of it, after being down 8 early.  He also says Milton Bradley yelled from the dugout at Jeff Mathis after that big 8th inning collision between Mathis and Max Ramirez.  I still think the way Mathis came in was borderline dirty, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him knocked down at some point in this series.

Matt Harrison starts today, although it is still up in the air what roster move will be made to make room for him.  Meanwhile, the Rangers still don't know who will pitch tomorrow, although it apparently won't be Vicente Padilla.

Jeff Wilson has some updates on some injured guys...Hank Blalock hit in the cage and expects to go on a rehab assignment over the All Star Break, Gerald Laird hit in the cage for the first time since suffering the hamstring injury, and Thomas Diamond got a cortisone shot in his foot, which will allow him to delay surgery on the bone spur in his foot until after the season. 

Wilson also mentions that Jon Daniels is having "very cordial" talks with Dustin Bledsoe, who advises Justin Smoak and Robbie Ross, and expects that they'll work something out with those guys.

And Jean-Jacques Taylor says the Rangers did the right thing in keeping Ron Washington around.

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Mendoza

I was as disappointed as anyone at his start last night, but I agree it’s too early to remove him from the rotation. The guy was a mess on the mound after giving up a few runs and the last thing his confidence needs is to be demoted. Give him another start or two before pulling the plug on this experiment.

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by TheBZA on Jul 8, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see you still remain optimistic

but… what do we do when he wets the bed again?

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by hurlerhurley on Jul 8, 2008 3:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is kind of a funny

bunch of comments.

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by t ball on Jul 8, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like

a fetish, to me.

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by Rodney on Jul 8, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good to hear on the draft pick signage front

It’d be great to get those guys in ASAP. Look at the waves Main made in his short time last year.

by BudLight on Jul 8, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JJ Taylor

I have never enjoyed anything he has written about the Rangers because to be honest, I just don’t think he knows enough to make the sweeping opinions/judgments that he does. Not saying he’s right or wrong about Washington, but that he always borders on simply unknowledgeable.

by FuturePants on Jul 8, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

as I said before, unless he’s talking about the Cowboys, he’s always stating the obvious or something he has no idea what he’s talking about.

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by hinduplaya on Jul 8, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel the same way.

J J-T has no knowledge of baseball and really I don’t think he wants any. I think his boss at the DMN makes him write a piece on the Rangers once in a while. If its not the Cowboys, I don’t think he’s interested.

by Jea103 on Jul 8, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JJT is a hack

Go read his article on how he thinks Brett Favre sucks and is the most overrated player in the history of sports.

by texasraider on Jul 8, 2008 2:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mendoza

didn’t Mendoza work well from the pen? I can’t remember. If so, send him back. I told the wife last night that the Angels were starting two all stars and we were starting rookies. Big difference.

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by horsedooty on Jul 8, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've never seen anything that indicates

...that Mendoza can be a serviceable ML starter. I’m not really sure he can cut it as a bullpen arm either.

Nippert on the other hand, has some really nice stuff. Nice heat and an impressive 4-pitch assortment that he appears to know how to mix up.

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by tricer on Jul 8, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not sure i agree

Mendoza has had a few outings in his career in which he has looked dominant. He could be another Kam Loe, but I am still holding out hope for him. If he falters in his next start, I think he should be moved back to the bullpen.

As for Nippert, that has to qualify as the best outing of his major league career, and probably by a wide margin. Still, I agree that his pitch assortment makes him a decent option. I could be wrong, but he reminds me a little of Galarraga. It will be interesting to see if he can be that effective when he is holding a lead.

by clark on Jul 8, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by LAMuscleFag on Jul 8, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one pitch pitchers

I have never liked one pitch pitchers such as Loe, Drese and Mendoza. If batters are not swinging at their sinkers they end up getting hammered. Mendoza is probably better suited for the bullpen.

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by RangerMad on Jul 8, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mendoza

He has a very good slider, as well.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 8, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

sorta like Evan said back on July 2nd. “Mendoza looks like a different pitcher now, with depth to his slider and command of his sinking fastball.”

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by hurlerhurley on Jul 8, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

he was showing a nice slider that day. I just don’t think the guy can sustain those two pitches consistently enough to be a starter. Sort of like Mathis, maybe those tools can make him an effective middle relief guy.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 8, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mendoza

What’s his velo at? Loesque?

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by hightowersmith on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little better than Loe

He sits in the low 90’s but has hit 95 a few times in his relief outings.

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by lonestarJon on Jul 8, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow tricer

That’s some serious man-love for Nippert. Don’t get me wrong, I like him and his stuff too – but he’s already 27 years old, and he’s had virtually no Major League success despite that power arsenal and some farly gaudy minor league numbers. Now it’s true that Nippert may be turning a corner here, but given his history of failure, I don’t think you can automatically put him ahead of the 24-year old Mendoza based on one superb relief outing.

However, I do agree with you on one thing – I don’t think Mendoza has the stuff to start either. My opinion is, both him and Nippert are probably bullpen arms.

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by lonestarJon on Jul 8, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nippert

The guy is a product of being rushed to the majors by Arizona. Maybe now he is finally figuring things out. He had really good numbers all the way through AA before being brought straight to the bigs. Since then his numbers have been average at best. Maybe now he has found it and can be a good pitcher for us. I liked the signing at the time and hope nothing but the best for the guy.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no reason not to put a ton of stock in nippert

i’ve had quiet optimism for nippert from the get go.

mendoza, not so much

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by ab03 on Jul 8, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he reminds me of the Electrician

although I’d give him a few starts for sure to see if he can use his arsenal as a starter. I think it’s worth the shot…at least over the likes of Mendoza

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nippert

When I was watching Nippert last night I was trying to figure out his delivery. It seemed like an odd throwing motion. I think it is somewhere in the windup.

by GregoryM on Jul 8, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he looks like what I call a short armer

meaning that he doesn’t fully extend his arm back before throwing. Looks like he brings the ball up near his ear and throws from there. Pretty amazing that he generates mid nineties velocity with that motion, but he does.

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by tricer on Jul 8, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both Mendoza and Tits have the stuff to start

The question is whether they have the command or not

by Telegraph on Jul 8, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

how about some love for Tommy Hunter. He went 9 last night and gave up only 2 runs and only 6 baserunners (all hits, no walks). Because he is a college guy, I think people forget how young he is. His success in AAA so far (very limited, I know) is very encouraging.

by clark on Jul 8, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

any K's?

will he pick those numbers up? Did he K any in college? Not that he has to in order to succeed, but it’d be nice

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which would you rather have

A guy that Ks 7 but can only go 6 innings because his pitch count gets up there or a guy who only Ks 3 but can go 8 because he gets guys out quick?

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

depends on which gives up fewer runs

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by tricer on Jul 8, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've always thought

There’s a correlation problem with this argument.

I mean, strikeouts aren’t THAT important. They’re nice and easy—no doubt about that.

I guess I’ve just assumed that when people talk about guys’ K/9 being very low, they’re basically saying the guy sucks and it gets manifested in that stat. Something of an inferential stat.

Do you disagree?

by brettgardner on Jul 8, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

strikeouts

If all it took was three pitches to get a guy to strikeout then yeah I would want the high strikeout guy. But usually it takes 5 or 6 or more and when you start adding that up along with the walks that accompany trying to strike a guy out it eats up your pitch counts thus limiting your innings. I think most will agree Hunter doesn’t have the stuff to just blow a guy away or fool them consistantly which means he has to work harder for his Ks. With that profile I would rather have him pitch to contact and get out of innings quicker.

On a side note I hate that term “pitch to contact”. To me it sounds like you are lobbing them over the heart of the plate begging someone to hit the ball. If Hunter is a Eddie Guardado-esque guy with more velocity I would be super happy. By that I mean a guy who just challenges hitters. Says come and get it but they seemingly can’t. thats the type of “pitch to contact” I would like to see our guys being

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I make no assertions about the "why" of it

Other than to say that, intuitively speaking, you would think that a pitcher needs to be at least missing some bats if he is going to be successful. I remember a few years back, Ryan Drese went through a couple of outings with something like 1 swinging strike, and that was when he was doing well.

Personally, I don’t care how my pitcher gets through the order. But as far as I know (aka as far as Bill James has dumbed it down for my lil brain), there are something like a half dozen to a dozen pitchers in the last 15 years who have had multiple season success with a k rate of less than 4.5 per 9.

Just a good example of how peripherals identify the fool’s gold. And yes, I’d agree about the sucks part.

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by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

With the evidence clearly on that side, it’d be hard to disagree. Perhaps it is missing bats, though I think that’s subject to some of the same questions.

I guess what it comes down to is good pitchers generally make the most of their inherent advantage (knowing where and how they intend to throw the ball), which almost universally produces strikeouts, even if they’re not solidly linked.

Meh.

by brettgardner on Jul 8, 2008 9:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would I rather have Oliver Perez

or Roy Halladay? Halladay, no doubt. But all other things the same, I’d rather have a 3.00 ERA pitcher who goes 7 innings per outing and strikes out a batter per inning than a 3.00 ERA pitcher who goes 7 innings per outing and strikes out a batter every other inning. is it sexier? yes. but to me, it also takes a little more pressure off the defense and makes hitters a tad bit more nervous

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Completely different

In your example both pitchers go the same innings and one strikes out more. In that case sure pick the guy who Ks more. But my example was two pitchers. One who goes 6 innings a start the other 8 innings a start. The guy who goes 6 innings strikes out more but because he uses so many pitches striking guys out can only go 6 and makes the bullpen go 3 innings. Whereas the guy who goes 8 only makes the bullpen pitch one inning. Over the course of the season that is a substantial amount of innings you save the bullpen from throwing. Which in turn would probably lead to better results in the innings the do throw.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I answered your question with the Oliver Perez

vs. Halladay response. I went on further to add the bit about strikeout pitchers, because I feel as though one of the main reasons this team hasn’t fielded a good rotation is because we haven’t had those high strikeout pitchers. Name one guy that approached a strikeout per inning that lasted a full year for us in the last decade? I’ll help you out – the last guy to come even close was Chris Young in 2005, and he turned out pretty well didn’t he? Jack Benny came close as a starter in 2004 in only 100 innings, and in 2003 as well, but really, you have to go back to our last playoff appearance – 1999 – when Aaron Sele came close over 200 plus innings. Then you go all the way back to 1992 when Nolan Ryan did it.

Is it ironic that the 1999 staff had a legit ace and balance throughout the rotation, and ended up in the playoffs? Or is it ironic that the 1992 staff had 3 starters with a sub 4.0 ERA and the other two sub 4.5? Maybe. But I like to think that when you have guys that set the tone by striking hitters out, you have a better chance at putting together a quality staff. And I think it’s pathetic that in the last 16 years of this franchise, we’ve only had 3 or 4 guys pitch a season at or close to a strikeout per inning. I’m sorry, but when you’ve had bad pitching for this long, you have to start looking for trends other than ballpark factors for why we’re so perennially poor in pitching.

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That play by Mathis

was very Darin Erstad v. Johnny Estrada-ish. Dirty, but the Angels probably see it is a hard play. I say earhole that mofo the very next time his ass comes up.

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by SarasotaRanger on Jul 8, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ramirez

That play was freakin’ awesome. Max was already one of my favorite Rangers to root for, that play was like Greer making that catch in Rogers’ perfect game awesomeness.

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by t ball on Jul 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty f'in hardass

I loved the way he looked like he was down for the count, then popped up and threw out the runner going to 3rd. Classic.

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mathis

All you pansies out there who think that was a dirty play need to go back and rewatch it. it wasn’t dirty at all. Now had Max been kneeling trying to block the plate and Mathis runs over him with his arms at head level then yeah thats dirty. but what mathis did was nothing more than a hard, aggressive, clean play. I would want our guys to do the exact same thing in that situation.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would want our guys to slide

which might have been a better way to actually score.

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by t ball on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Mathis probably could have scored if he had slid. He chose to cheap shot Max. He will face the consequences.

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by willamos2 on Jul 8, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

valid argument

Can’t deny that. But to call what Mathis did “dirty” is wrong in my opinion.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's all that dirty

...but you can believe he’s going to hit the deck at least once today in an at-bat.

by FuturePants on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not so much dirty

as stupid. a very dumb play, for two reasons: he could’ve scored, and now he’s going to get mowed down. it’s a very good thing for everybody involved that Padilla’s not good to go in this series

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay

Next time one of our runners is thrown out by several steps when trying to steal second, should they do what Mathis did, and come in high with their forearms in the shortstop’s chest to try to knock him down and dislodge the ball?

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

completely different situation

First of all thats illegal. But second if they are out by several steps, which Mathis wasn’t, then they should slide and try and avoid the tag. Mathis wasn’t out by several steps. It was a bang bang play and he simply ran into Max.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bullshit it was a bang bang play

go back and watch it. He was out by a long way.

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by SarasotaRanger on Jul 8, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bullshit

He would have been out by several steps had Davis not double clutched. Max barely had the ball before Mathis barreled into him.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disagree.

Anywho… extending your arms and elbows into a guy’s face was dirty, no matter how tough you want to act about it. Guess I’m not the only “pansy” who thinks so. If he was trying to dislodge the ball with his arms, what he did was actually illegal

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by SarasotaRanger on Jul 8, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't to his face

He put his arms up and ran into Maxs chest. he extended his arms pushing Max down which with Max falling made it look like his arms were around his head. I watched the play a dozen times.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On a bang-bang play...

...players usually slide. People bowl over the catcher when they aren’t going to be safe unless they knock the catcher over and try to dislodge the ball.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 8, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

But Mathis figured originally he would be out by a few steps. Davis double clutched which I doubt Mathis saw. He was probably going in there already knowing he would have to run over the catcher but because Davis double clutched the play was alot closer.

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

it’s not anything that didn’t happen in baseball pretty regularly a few decades ago.

but, i’m pretty sure whenever it did happen, that person caught one in the ear the next time he was up.

and mathis is getting one in the ear.

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by ab03 on Jul 8, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Evan Reed

I am not sure if this is accurate, but he seems like a guy who looks very good early in games, and then fades and gives up a big inning late. I know it has happened his last two starts, and I believe a few times before that. I think he is a much better pitcher than his statistics would suggest, although he could ultimately be a bullpen arm.

by clark on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reed

wasn’t he a bullpen guy in college? I seem to remember that. You may be right – he may be better suited for the bullpen, or it may be that the Rangers are still trying to stretch him out and it’ll take a few years.

by JBImaknee on Jul 8, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correct

He was a closer in college.

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by RangerMad on Jul 8, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mendoza?

What has he done to deserve another start? He’s been awful as a starter. He’s had a couple decent outings as a reliever. I was at the game last night, 5 rows behind the plate. And it was apparent that Mendoza has nothing. Not sure what the alternatives would be at this point….......................

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by coachh on Jul 8, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

last night doesn't prove anything though

maybe if he had started giving up runs the second time through, you could say he’s not a starter. but, if he’s giving up runs in each of the first two innings, you just gotta say that he had a bad night or he was injured or something else wasn’t right. last night would lead you to believe that he isn’t any sort of mlb pitcher and there’s no other evidence besides last night to indicate that is true. so, send him out for another start before rushing to judgment

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by ab03 on Jul 8, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mendoza's Outing

It didn’t take being 5 rows behind home plate to realize that Mendoza had nothing last night. We are in no position where we have to be quick to judge on Mendoza. I say give him more time. Not to say that Nippert will not work his way into the rotation at a later time, but right now should not be that time.

by Chris Hanes on Jul 8, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have

you guys not been watching him all season?

by coachh on Jul 8, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ramirez

Mad Max stood his ground but he may have not had a choice since the throw from Davis was late. Then he got freight trained. Then to get up and throw a strike to 3rd was maybe the play of the year for me.

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by horsedooty on Jul 8, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mendoza

I agree what has he done? It is like the people that kept insisting that Botts needed to be given another shot.

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by horsedooty on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

your point?

Nippert struggled to start the year, went down to AAA, and last night was his first night back. Mendoza has struggled alot this year and is still getting the ball every 5 days. How are those two similar

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by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Inaccurate

since he came back from his injury, you can say that mendoza has been pretty good. he’s had 2 starts since he’s been injured. His1st, while he didn’t go a full 5, wasn’t that bad (4.2IP 1ER, 4H, 2BB, 1K) and then this one was awful. you still give him the ball

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and to clarify

the inaccurate part is that he’s getting the ball every 5th day – he’s had 4 starts total this year (2 to start the season). I hardly think that is blind allegiance to mendoza

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is what doesn't make sense though...

he retired the first eight batters he faced in Boston…
he retired the side in the first in New York… easy 1-2-3 inning…
he threw a couple of good solid innings in Houston…

here’s what bothers me… when he starts giving up consecutive hits, he starts making faces… he starts exaggerating his disappointment… in a nutshell, he starts getting careless. and that’s what gets him sidetracked. why in the hell does he pitch from the stretch, when he has runners at third and second… or just at third… or with the bases loaded? he’s not focused. if he’d stop acting like he’s trying, he’d pull his head out of his, go from the wind-up and put more zip on his pitches. and that’s what pisses me off when i see him pitch.

there’s something to be said for controlling yourself as there is controlling your pitches.

by oc on Jul 8, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Symptoms of panic

One is to show great irritation.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jul 8, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

compile a much better minor league track record than Mendoza

Nippert has a career minor league k-rate of 8.5 per 9 and a k/bb ratio of 2.6.

Compared to Mendoza’s career minor league rates of 4.7 k/9 and k/bb of 1.8.

I can’t see anything in the track records to suggest that Mendoza is as good a pitcher as Nippert (or Galarraga for that matter). I also watch these guys pitch and it just looks so obvious to me that Mendoza doesn’t have the stuff that Nippert does.

Conor always seem to fall in love with these “strike throwing ground ball machine” types that don’t really have the arsenal to succeed in the big leagues.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Jul 8, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mendoza

He basically re-did his repertoire last year, moving from a four seamer to a two seamer, and adding a slider. I think that makes his previous minor league track record a little less meaningful than it would be for someone else.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 8, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's still underperforming

when compared to Galarraga, and Nippert just looked so much better out there. maybe it’s just me, but the heat does it for me, especially when you can mix in a few more pitches like he did. One outing? Sure. But in the same 2 weeks that he threw a 7 inning no-no? Maybe he’s coming around. I’m pretty sure Mendoza doesn’t have the ability to make guys swing and miss much…and we need more of that around here.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Something for ya'll to chew on

Mendoza has a 7.24 ERA and has allowed 41 hits and 33 runs as a starter in the Majors (8 games and 27 innings). He also has yet to go past 5 innings in any of those 8 starts.

As a reliever, he has a 0.67 ERA, allowing 7 hits and one run in 11 innings. He’s also struck out 9 as a reliever, as opposed to a measly 8 as a starter.

Now, there’s a huge problem with sample size right there, so take all that for what it’s worth… but those are some interesting trends.

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by lonestarJon on Jul 8, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he also seems to have more velocity in relief

which apparently makes a big difference in his ability to get guys out. he could end up being more of an asset to this team in the bullpen, but i would like to see him get one more start first.

by clark on Jul 8, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone else concerned about...

the rush of the young SP???

Go back to the beginning of the season and we had Hurley who most expected a September call up, though some would have him here sooner. We were “lacking” in our higher end farm system and loaded in the lower levels. The signing of Jennings and Ponson were designed to buy time for the farm to develop.

Fast forward to now. We have 3 rookies filling rotational spots thanks to the above signings not working out and injury to BMac and Gabbards struggles. Feldman has showed well and has eaten innings like a pro, Hurley has shown great stuff that most people expected. Mendoza has looked great in relief and horrible in the rotation. Now Harrison is up , early IMO. Add in starts for Mathis and Murray and we have used 10 starters this year.

My point of concern is focussed on rushing the Hurley’s and Harrisons and the effect of their promotion down throughout the system. I understand why they are getting the opportunity, but do not agree with the decision to bring these guys up. My reasoning is that we are limiting the future opportunity for these guys to succeed. Are we really contending this year??? I love the Rangers being over .500 but don’t see them making up the 8.5 games the trail the Angels this year. Next year the Rangers get younger and the Angels get older.

Would it not be a better idea to promote guys who may not be as key to our future to fill out the needed rotational spots despite their performance this year and give key guys like H&H more time to develop???

Just a humble opinion but I am left with more questions after the first half of a successful season than I had on Opening day.

by Bigfan16 on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who pitches

if we don’t bring them up???

by corbsclinton on Jul 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nippert, Loe, Gordon, Schlact...

Not that any of these guys are going to be any better this year but I would argue that protecting the development of H&H is more valuable long term than winning a few more games this year.

While the A’s signing of Inoa stinks like fish after three days, I agree with the statement that the A’s have a better reputation for developing young pitchers than the Rangers. Looking back I see a pattern of rushing the kids and then running out of options before they mature into the SP we need. Again, this is just a humble opinion but I really like the future potential of H&H and hope they are not being rushed.

by Bigfan16 on Jul 8, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not concerned

I think Hurley is ready and he has done nothing so far to make me think otherwise. Harrison is making a spot start simply because he is on the 40. Mendoza, Mathis and Gabbard are just placeholders until BMac comes back and some of the younger pitchers are brought up. I think only two pitchrs are being rushed in the minors. Both Feliz and Hunter will probably do very well at their respective levels and will be in the mix next year for SP roles.

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

next year

Hunter could be a candidate around the middle of next year but I don’t think there is any way feliz sees Arlington next year. And I hope thats the case.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next year is the question on my mind.

I would have said the same thing last year about Harrison and Hurley would ideally been a September call up for me. Unfortunately we do not live the ideally and we have what we have.

The rotation for next year should be very interesting. Milly and Padilla stay IMO, then you have BMac, Hurley and Harrison if we committ to the youngsters. Murray, Loe, Mendoza, Gabbard, and Rupe will be around in some roll. Plenty to choose from but what is the right mix? I dunno!

Do we sign FA SP??? Either expensive ones like Sabathia or Sheets or cheap vets as we did with Jennings and Ponson would make the rotation very interesting to watch.

by Bigfan16 on Jul 8, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there's a very big chance

we see Feliz next year. Factors determining the chance: trades we make this year (if we lose any pitching), free agent pitching we pick up or via trade, and health of our rotation next year. As we’ve seen for quite a few years in a row now, we haven’t had a stable rotation – whether due to injury or pure SUCKITUDE. If Feliz dominates AA the way he dominated A ball, why wouldn’t he be ready for a July callup if things work out as they have the past two years? what would that be, 2 and a half, 3 years in the minors for him? that’s not too bad…

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pictures of...

Juan Dominguez and Edinson Volquez (pre demotion to A ball) keep dancing in my head whenever people start talking about rushing a young guy.

Hunter was drafted not even 13 months ago. His rise through the system has been amazing to watch. but I wish people would stop penciling his name into next years rotation after 2 AAA starts when he started the year in Bakersfield.

And Feliz, my gosh, the kid just jumped an entire level and now its like people expect him to be here on Opening day next year. As we saw last night he isn’t ready to be a ML starter just yet. he needs plenty of time to refine his off speed and breaking stuff. He could probably get ML hitters out on his fastball alone right now but that would only get him once through the lineup before they catch on and start pounding him. He probably needs to spend the rest of this year and the first half of next in Frisco then spend a couple months in OKC before the thought of bringing him up ever even enters ours or JDs mind.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fine by me

just saying there’s a chance…and with our pitching history, a better chance than not

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 5:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2008 7:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 8:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do I hear crickets?

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jul 9, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK Mendoza

I totally agree that you dont take a starter out of the rotation if they have a couple of bad outing’s. But when said starter has had a number of bad outings, AND hasn’t shown you anything in minors to make you think that he can be a dominant starter then I think you have to look at moving him to a different capacity. its not like we are talking about a guy that showed #1,2,or even3 stuff when he was coming up, he had #5 maybe #4 stuff at best, with a real chance at pitching in the bullpen! I think if you are going to continue to give Mendoza starts then players like Kam Loe should get those starts first. Loe was by no means dominating, but he showed a heck of a lot more potential than Mendoza has.

by blueballlefty on Jul 8, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plain and simple

our bullpen is figuratively hurting, our starting rotation is literally hurting…Nippert looks like a legit starting option, Mendoza has shown in (in a small sample, granted) to be very effective in relief. WHY keep throwing him out there, forcing us to try to come back from early 6, 7 or 8 run deficits, when we can reverse that trend?

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Home Run Derby

Josh Hamilton is bringing his old high school coach to pitch to him in the home run derby.

  • He’s 71 years old
  • He says the only other game he saw at Yankee Stadium was Game 5 of the 1956 World Series (Don Larsen’s perfect game)

Click here for the article

Pretty cool.

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Jul 8, 2008 11:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you think that

his 71 year old arm will be able to hold up for all those HR’s Josh is going to hit?

by blueballlefty on Jul 8, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Health Update

Infielder Hank Blalock took batting practice for the first time since he re-injured his wrist during a rehab assignment in Oklahoma on June 22. The timetable now is for Blalock to rehab with Double A Frisco over the All-Star break and then join the team.

Catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia had another day off with a strained right groin muscle. He hopes to be back today.

Catcher Gerald Laird hit in the cage for the first time on Monday since injuring his left hamstring on June 21. He also jogged and hopes to return after the All-Star Game.

http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/746563.html

by GregoryM on Jul 8, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a minute...

Gerald Laird was jogging?

(furrows brow in suspicion)

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by lonestarJon on Jul 8, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he was jogging with a huge
grin on his face tub of ice cream in his arms at the sunday philly game i went to last week.

-

There…fixed!

;)

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jul 8, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harrison

yet another guy who has moved more quickly than I would have expected. After rosters came out this spring I made a spreadsheet for where I expected guys to be in July. I was a little conservative, but still, lots of significant upper level guys advancing faster than I anticipated, and among those advancing more slowly it’s mostly a result of rotation backlogs:

C Davis – MLB/AAA
Duran – MLB/AAA
Boggs – MLB/AAA
Hurley – MLB/AAA
Harrison – MLB/AAA
M Ramirez – MLB/AA
Hunter – AAA/AA
Madrigal – MLB/AA
Vallejo – AA/A+
Feliz – AA/A
M Perez – A-/RK

Garr – AA/AAA
Whittleman – A+/AA
Poveda – A+/AA
Kiker – A+/AA
Main – A/A+
Holland – A/A+
West – A-/A
Font – Inj/A-
N Ramirez – A-/A

by Brett Perryman on Jul 8, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whittleman

going nowhere, quickly.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 8, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

He and Castillo are the most disappointing guys in the system for me, especially in the last month or so, where both have tailed off badly. Castillo has an ERA over nine since June, and Whittleman is hitting just over .200.

I hoped for more from Kiker, but his season hasn’t been a complete loss, and he is pitching in the Cal League.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 8, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pitchers

I am suprised you had Kiker, Main, Ramirez, and Poveda all in your “disappointment” section. Based solely on the past i didn’t see anyway Kiker would be in Frisco by now. Maybe in a month or 6 weeks but right now I think is too aggressive although his performance says he probably could handle such a promotion right now.

As good as Main was in his short time last season to expect him to be in Bakersfield right now is again really aggressive. His injury certainly has held him back but I don’t think even if he had been healthy he would have gone there yet.

Poveda and ramirez are borderline in my book. I can see the reasoning behind Ramirez but I think he’ll be in Clinton soon enough so I guess we could probably call that a wash. Poveda would have needed a really good start to make it to AA by now so again like Kiker and Main I think your thinking was too aggressive

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poveda

Unlike Kiker and Main, he already had a month in at the level. Considering his performance last summer, I don’t think that a promotion after three more months would have been all that aggressive, especially since High A is the level most often moved quickly through for pitchers.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 8, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

But with his previous struggles in High A don’t you think they would have kept him back and made sure he was ready?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didnt read the replies

but the bottom line on mendoza is that pitchers with his track record and ability are not going to be in a contending teams rotation. seeing if he can stick in the pen and if harrison is ready or nippert can get it together would seem to more productive towards 09 to me.

dont yo-yo top prospects, but a minor league free agent who has 1 pitch and mediocre control?

2 games over 500 please.

by DSheppard on Jul 8, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think Mendoza...

should lose his spot over last night either. However the problem is that I think Nippert deserves a shot after what he did last night. He saved the ‘pens ass for this series and looked pretty good. His fastball was in the mid 90’s, slider in the mid 80’s, and change in the mid 70’s. That is starter material right there if he can command those three pitches.

Again I think there will be plenty of starts to go around with all the injuries and possible trades coming up. Both could be in the rotation for awhile.

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by slc ranger on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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