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OT - Greg Williams and The Ticket

After all of the months since Greg Williams left The Ticket and The Hardline us P1s have been left in the dark as to much of what went down. We have been told famously by Mike Rhyner that we didn't deserve to know. Well, Richie Whitt of The Dallas Observer has finally shed some light on what went down. Here is his magnum opus about how it all unfolded.

The Hard Lie

Great article. As a fan of The Ticket and of The Hardline it is a heartbreaking story. It sucks when people do something that is well-received but they can't handle success. After reading this I can't help but wonder if this is what is happening to Mike and the Mad Dog in NY (but without the drugs). I blame Greggo the most, though Rhyner and Corby are to blame in part as well. I can definitely see their side of the story. I just though that The Ticket was a family and you don't screw over a family member like they did. I still listen because it's the best thing on by far in this market. But I have lost massive respect for them and it's just not the same. I find myself listening to XM radio more and more when I am in the car. The P1 has gotten screwed big time and it looks like things will definitely never be the same ever again.

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Respect

I never respected them before, they’re just entertainment and shtick with a little sports talk thrown in. I don’t get real attached or think too much about sports talk radio personalities. I’d care much more if something happened to Eric Nadel.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 9, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way

none of that is to denigrate your post, I appreciate the update. Sad story.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that I've read the entire article

I agree with these guys below. It’s real hard to feel sorry for someone who wrecked all of his relationships with lies and addiction. I don’t blame those guys at the Ticket one bit for turning on him. I wish him all the luck in the world getting his life going again and staying sober, but he should not wonder why anyone didn’t call him.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 9, 2008 10:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never knew about the

wild, silly claims he’d made earlier on. I don’t know how you would trust someone who would lie so easily and so trivially.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 9, 2008 11:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've worked with guys

that would lie like that about weird stuff that could be easily researched. I worked with a guy that claimed he played pro ball in a pro league that didn’t exist. It was in the media guide. He claimed that he worked at the place 14 years when it was easily researched that he only worked there nine. Another guy would tell a detailed story where all this crazy stuff would happen and then tell the exact same story two weeks later with all the people and places different.

Honestly, I don’t understand these people either. I don’t think they mean harm, they just want validation or want to enhance stories to get a laugh.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 10, 2008 12:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I knew this guy

Who lied about his age and where he worked and went to school and…

oh wait.

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 12:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's funny

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 10, 2008 1:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Over my head

But now I’m curious…

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 8:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a book out?

Awesome I’ll check out Amazon.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 11, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The thread was deleted

so if you want to know the details, ask Brett…

by Agreen07 on Jul 11, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kind of what I was doing.

Unless you want to start Brett’s wikipedia page. That would work too.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 11, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I blame Greggo totally

It’s ALL on him. If I was Rhyner or Corby I would be pissed too. He was messing with their livelihood with all of that crap. Of course, I always thought Williams was a no talent ass clown so maybe I am biased. There was nothing worse than listening to that show when he had to be the lead dog in Rhyner’s absence. If he thinks he can do that full time he is clearly still on something.

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jul 9, 2008 10:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Greggo's fault

but sucks that he ruined all of his friendships too.

by Agreen07 on Jul 9, 2008 10:44 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Man

Awful lot of Ticket hate in that article. Greggo did this to himself.

by jthig32 on Jul 9, 2008 10:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whitt

is pretty close to Williams, at least from the impression I’ve always had.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 9, 2008 10:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah Whitt

has always stuck up for greggo….

That being said…I don’t see how anybody but Greggo is the bad guy here.

We all know that addicts can change (Hamilton)....but I can’t blame Rhyner and Corby for being angry because the show was affected.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ehhh

I’m split on this issue. Obviously after reading 8 pages, you’re going to have more sympathy for the subject of the article. I agree, the dude pissed everything away and he seems to have come to terms with that. Rhynes seems forward and candid.

Honestly, I don’t see a lot of difference between Greggo’s comments in the article and things Josh Hamilton has said… Josh got his second chance (or 6th, however you want to look at it) we’ll see if Greggo gets his.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 9, 2008 10:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greggo had a 2nd chance.

He had gone to rehab like 2 years before they canned him. He may have even had a 3rd chance, I don’t know.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 10, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the 2nd/6th

Applied to Greggo as well.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

Great article. Like everyone has said, it’s hard to feel sorry for him when he pissed it all away. Never knew it got as far as suicide though, that’s scary. Even though I didn’t think he offered much to the Hardline other than the great drops I hope he gets his shit straight for good.

"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler

by sprite on Jul 9, 2008 11:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suicide?

It wouldn’t surprise me if the whole suicide attempt is wildly exaggerated as well. I won’t question that he thought of suicide, and perhaps a loaded gun was even involved, but I’m sure much of the scenario written at the beginning was put forth by Williams as an attention-grab.

by talkingmike on Jul 11, 2008 2:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

After reading that, why would you believe anything Williams said?

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 11, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting

I left DFW for home (San Antonio) in 07’ and listened regularly. Heard a little bit about what went down but not much. Thanks for the update.

"The rich think they are privileged so rules don't apply to them, and the poor think they're entitled and so rules don't apply to them." The rest of us are screwed.

by A.Medina on Jul 9, 2008 11:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd gotten the impression

That Mike and Greg weren’t all that friendly for years, but that Corby and he split like that was surprising.

The article makes mention of the “grand illusion” that we’re all in on the bit and we know these people. Of course that’s true—we don’t really know them at all. Still, when you invest a significant amount of time in them (I was in the car with my dad on Day 1 and have been listening ever since), you do feel a certain connection, and the decisions impact you.

That was a very well-written article about a very sad thing. Greg Williams never added all that much to the show; ‘Greggo’, on the other hand, was an integral part of what made them far more enjoyable than Russ Martin or anything else locally.

The show is less ballsy now, and I think Corby and Danny are stretched too thin. Guess it’s just another reason to look back fondly on the past and lament the present.

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 12:11 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awful ordeal for everyone involved

Sad to see that someone wrecked their own life so abruptly.

If that is the whole story, it does bother me a little that Corby didn’t try to reach out to him at all ever. He comes across as a bit of a prick on the air, but you would think that, seeing that Greg essential got him that job, he would have been a little bit more supportive. Essentially, he had the most to gain from Greggo going away, so it would seem that right thing to do is to at least call him up say, “hey, hope you get everything straightened out and everything works out for you, I’ll always owe you for the opportunity that you gave me.”

I hope I’m wrong and there’s more to that story and Corby is taking the high road by not commenting.

Personally, I hope that they bring someone in that can talk sports a little. Corby and Danny are just awful at serious sports talk. They are still very entertaining, but every now and then it would be nice for them to be able to throw out a decent sports point.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Jul 10, 2008 12:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Corby

You can hear his ego inflating by the day. I know he embraces the “cockiest broadcaster alive” nonsense but its getting to be a little much. He is so out of his element when it comes to baseball it’s not even funny. Yet he sticks to those superlatives that he knows so much. It’s sad that I flip to CD when a sports talk show talks sports….

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 8:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

knows? I mean loves

I need my morning coffee….

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 8:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That story about Corby walking in on Greggo

doing a line of coke at Ticket Fight Night is wild. And then Greggo just goes right back on air. I remember listening that day and its weird to look back at it now knowing what had transpired off the air that day.

by albyman32 on Jul 10, 2008 12:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can i get some cliff notes? I care, but not 8 pages worth.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Jul 10, 2008 12:34 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sure

Mike and Greg became friends at Arlington Stadium while doing low-level media / radio jobs covering the Rangers. Craig Miller was around too. Mike thought other people would enjoy listening to their banter, so he rounded up some money men to back the launch of the Ticket. A few years into it, they felt they needed to add a voice to the Hardline to spice it up. Greg wanted Corby. Mike didn’t know him, really, but tried him out and it clicked. Greg was always prone to telling big whoppers about himself (like playing for the Expos and homering off of Steve Carlton). Mike knew he was a fibber, but let it slide.

Greg started making big bucks and turned into a metrosexual, complete with a Turtle Creek condo, Porsche, and the requisite metrosexual wardrobe. Had a tummy-tuck surgery. Started hanging out with the cocaine-and-boob job crowd that he once denigrated on the air and eventually became addicted to coke.

Greg’s performance suffered. He and Mike quit talking to one-another off the air. Greg felt that Mike was drawing too much attention to Corby and Greg’s feelings were hurt. Corby caught Greg doing coke in the middle of a show.

Greg went into rehab and never came back. Greg says he was fired. The Ticket says he quit. Greg blames himself for losing the best job in the world. He suffers from depression and claims that he tried to kill himself, but was such a loser he couldn’t even pull the trigger.

He sold his condos in Breckenridge and Turtle Creek and bought a lake house in Granbury. Got him a BBW girlfriend, bought a Ford Focus and thinks he has a job with ESPN radio.

by bronco28 on Jul 10, 2008 6:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Ticket

kinda sux know. They just read the sports page and thats all for the sports. cobra is an eltist golf douche who was cooler as the weed smoking kid and they’ve embraced success poorly esp. the Hardline. Oh well i still listen all day but the quality has decreased. the only ppl their who acutally earn their money are I can believe im saying this Norm, Sturm and Grubes.

by Andrew L on Jul 10, 2008 1:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

golf douche?

are referencing that he doesn’t like it when people only like Tiger, and not the game of golf?

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two Things for me

I never would have thought Corby would have been that SORRY,
Two why in the HELL were Bob, Dan, Donovan involved in the meeting when Greggo came back, those Spares need to KNOW THERE ROLE!

by blueballlefty on Jul 10, 2008 2:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not?

I’m not fond of their show personally, but you’ve got to admit that BAD Radio has become an integral part of the Ticket’s lineup.

by BudLight on Jul 10, 2008 8:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I listen to there show but

Greggo was one of the original 4 that started this station with George, Craig, and Mike, so I think at most the meeting should have involved The Hardline and the Musers. I still dont know if B.A.D.D radio gets it, listening to Corby talk earlier this year about how they demanded to get paid for the Compound, I mean seriously the Compound a deal that any man in America would take a week off there regular job to do, and these guys get paid to do it and they wanted extra. Stuff like that to me shows that they still dont totally get and I believe are still expendable. Also rereading my first post I can see where it looks like I am not blaming Greggo, I AM Greg did all this to himself!

by blueballlefty on Jul 10, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt they will.

Mike’s participation was probably the extent of the station’s involvement. I doubt they really want to bring attention on it.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Richie Whitt

wrote on his blog the other day before the story came out that he had contacted The Ticket and told them that he would come on The Hardline and talk about it but that he didn’t expect to get a call. I think Rhyner wants to move on and I doubt you ever hear about it on air.

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Jul 10, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you like your gig?

THAT WASNT A QUESTION!

Only thing i miss about greggo is the drop’s

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 5:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

How this guy can know what J. D. and Adam are thinking at those exact moments is beyond me. Last time I checked, "Swing or Take: A Collective Journal Of What We Were Thinking At The Beginning of ABs with RISP by J. D. Drew, Adam Dunn and Guys Like That" isn't supposed to come out until August 21. ~dak, fjm, about steve phillips

by ivysafety39 on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well the article said

the Ticket retained the right to use the drops during the severence….kinda surprised they aren’t

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 10, 2008 7:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just wait if he gets

another gig at another station. Those drops will come back with a vengeance and it will be more fun than listening to him live on the air.

Just keep your mask on and umpire the game! - Tom Grieve, 5/25/08

by EssBee on Jul 11, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Terrific article

Whitt’s done this more thoroughly than I could imagine it being.
It’s truly a shame that it had to happen this way. I feel for Greggo, who obviously has some inner demons he’ll struggle with for a long, long time. And I’m going to have a hard time feeling anything but disgust for Corby in the immediate future.

by BudLight on Jul 10, 2008 8:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

However he got the job

He’s still a professional. The way Greggo was dragging down the show and making everybody’s job harder, I don’t blame Corby at all for being pissed at him.

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 8:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's one thing to get pissed at him

But to totally throw the man who got you this DYNAMITE job to the dirt and not afford him a second glance-that’s despicable.

by BudLight on Jul 10, 2008 8:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard to know the details

I’d be willing to bet that Corby isn’t a horrible person. If he’s moved on from Greg, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that there’s a lot more that we don’t know than we do.

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While it may be a little sorry

of corby, it’s understandable. Sometimes there are people in your life that continuing to know is only going to bring you down and cause more pain. Occasionally you have to just realize you are better off not knowing that person anymore.

I think this is the stance mike has taken, and I understand it. But it is crappy of them to make fun of greggo like they have.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats pretty shitty

I am glad I am not your friend or whatever and ever ran into problems. I just think there are ways to treat friends and to just STOP knowing them when they fall into addiction is not a good way to be a friend. I am not blaming Corby for any of Greg’s problems, but Greg wasn’t bringing Corby down, and apparently they were really close friends not just co-workers, and as soon as Corby got the opportunity to stab him in the back, he did it, and never even had the decentsy to say F U.

by blueballlefty on Jul 10, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How did Corby stab him in the back?

It’s not like he stole the job from Greggo. Even if he had called Greggo, he wouldn’t have gotten his job back.

by Anonymous New Guy on Jul 10, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

judge me if you want to, but sometimes you put up with someones shit for so long that it starts bringing you down and you just cant deal with them any more. and there’s a difference between running into problems, or addiction and being lied to + addiction, plus unprofessional.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not bringing Corby down

He absolutely was. Dealing with that crap every single day has got to be a beating. Not knowing if the guy is ever telling the truth, is high, or is dead is a huge downer. Added to the fact that his behavior was effecting the show and possibly Corby and Rhyner’s livelihood I fully understand why they distance from the guy. It’s admirable to be a friend to someone with problems but eventually you have to take care of yourself and your family first.

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jul 11, 2008 6:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly

sometimes the best thing you can do to an addict that is down, is to kick him in the nuts.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 10, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The whole hardline crew has always come across pretty snakey to me

As much as they run people down on the air, not surprising that they are worse off it.

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jul 10, 2008 11:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good article, thanks for posting. So much of that station is bullshit, I remember them hyping bodysolutions for a long time until the FTC sued the manufacturer and it turned out it was just water with aloe vera.

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm sure those were paid advertisements

they don’t just schill for products just for the fun of it.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 10, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know it may seem like an odd criticism, and I don’t mind the ads that allow me to get free radio, but I mind the way they deliver them in that fake “I’m your friend” way. You know the hardline used to swear up and down that Kirby’s was their favorite (and the best) steakhouse in town until Kirby’s stopped paying them and someone else started, then they had a new favorite. I’d rather they didn’t do so much of the personal endorsing and overhyping. That bodysolutions stuff amazed me, the fraud was a nationwide story.

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's

The entire point…

Why do you think companies buy time on the radio?

Actual effectiveness of a product is only marginally useful as far as selling it. It’s all about association.

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m well aware why companies buy time, but I don’t pretend to know anything about the significance of a product’s efficacy in advertising relative to any “association” in the ad. You know there is a difference if you look at (for example) Norm’s ads. Norm LOVES Bob’s, I see him in there all the time. I really believe he wouldn’t endorse another steakhouse by saying it’s the best if Bob’s stopped paying him and someone else did. He used to preface his leasing ads by saying “everyone knows the most financially responsible thing to do is to buy a car and drive it for 10 years, but if you are not going to do that . . . ”
I always respected him for that, it bothers me to hear the other guys selling leasing to their blue collar audience as a financially wise decision, though those D&M ads can be funny

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess my point is that there is a distinction between buying time for a pre-recorded advertiser-produced ad and buying the personal endorsement ads which have become more common on 1310 (for which I assume the personality in question also gets paid a fee in addition to the purchase of time). It is why you see the disclaimer when someone buys time on TV for an infomercial that the views reflected don’t necessarily reflect those of the station etc. I’ll grant them the right to endorse anything but the fact that they are clearly willing to say anything in the script, devalues their endorsement. In light of that, I’d expect those personalities to be more discriminating about what they say (though I’m not surprised they aren’t ).

Go rangers

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right.

There’s a gigantic fee difference when a company wants a live spot. See the recent NYT article about Rush Limbaugh. His fee schedule expands enormously when companies want a live personal endorsement. Even more expensive is his new bit—to weave in product placements in the actual substance of the show.

It’s all a game. Nobody cares about how much listen to the radio except in as far as companies believe you’ll be receptive to their purchased time while listening. All radio guys are just salesmen, and thinking one a saint and another a shill for the same practice is just naive.

I’m sure Norm gets free meals at Bob’s, is probably friends with him, and probably started going there after he got serious money from them.

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 5:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not going to defend the strawman argument you attribute to me as I have never said Norm is a saint and the rest are shills. It doesn’t add value to revise someone’s argument into an absurdity in order to dismiss it. Norm IS a friend of Bob Sambol, no doubt. I’ve seen them eat together on many occasions. Does norm eat free there? I rather doubt it but I’m sure he gets perks and freebees as a regular customer just like I do (and better ones befitting his local celebrity and the greater amount of $ he spends there). I have only said I personally disapprove of 1310’s advertising practices, though they are free to pursue them.

You can call me naive, but you misstate and/or misunderstand my argument in order to do so. I have not held Norm up as a paragon of virtue, Norm sells like everyone else and he sells well. Do I find him more honest relatively? Sure. I think I’d see Norm at Bob’s and at Lone Star even if he wasn’t doing ads for Bob’s or selling his Picks of the Poll. I’m not sure what your argument is, as the essence of my point is that they guys at 1310 are whores. I’m saying I think they push the limits in those personal spots and I discussed Norm only as an example of someone I don’t think pushes those limits to the same extent if at all. Ad hominem attacks on me as naive and speculations that Norm eats free or “probably started going there after he got serious money from them” which are wholly unsupported don’t really advance the ball.

by thedudeabides on Jul 11, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh

I love when people start pulling out their Logic 101 dictionary to show that they’re mad as hell and they’re not going to take it anymore.

I never called you naive, you silly twat. NOW you can feel burned up with indignation and say, “bu-bu-but…ad hominem!” If I call a line of thinking naive, it’s a valid criticism of either the claim, conclusion, or both, depending on the circumstances, because it’s failing to take account of alternative conditions. But of course I wasn’t referring to YOU—I was referring to the strawman argument which you claimed (correctly, surprisingly) explained my post.

I WAS using a strawman, and deliberately. The point wasn’t so much to denigrate you as much as a general counterargument to my own. See how I incorporated a line of your argument…

I guess my point is that there is a distinction between buying time for a pre-recorded advertiser-produced ad and buying the personal endorsement ads which have become more common on 1310 (for which I assume the personality in question also gets paid a fee in addition to the purchase of time).

...to show that I agreed with that position, and then branched out with a pretty unrelated post. That’s really just a tangent, and that you would take it personally reflects more upon you than me.

by brettgardner on Jul 11, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird.

Last bit is me, obviously.

by brettgardner on Jul 11, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well I can’t claim to have taken logic 101 nor be pissed so much as puzzled (though being called a silly twat on an internet message board is likely to make me cry). I’m still not sure you have an argument or what point you were trying to make in the above. As with this entire thread, I don’t think there is a substantive disagreement between us as even above I find your characterization of your post as “tangent[ial]” or “pretty unrelated” to be equivalent to me saying it doesn’t advance the ball. I was trying to figure what your point was and I assumed (with some doubt) that you were addressing my line of thinking rather than an imaginary counterargument because I assumed (with some doubt) that you were trying to make one.

If you want to deliberately invent an inane “general counterargument” to your own in order to denigrate it and your post was just agreement with me and thereafter a tangent so be it. I imagine arguing with yourself is one way to post 3000 comments in 3-4 months but I’m not inclined to spend my time that way, nor by engaging in an internet argument about nothing with someone I assume is a student with unlimited free time. Even in the above, calling a line of thinking naive is not valid criticism, it’s utterly vacuous if there isn’t substance behind it, just a bunch of typing without saying anything. A pithy post such as: “I was agreeing with you then going off on a tangent irrelevant to the thread you silly twat” would have been much better and added just as much value. Got to bill time now.

by thedudeabides on Jul 11, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um

2.0 doesn’t accurately reflect when people joined—I don’t think.

Brett’s been around and much more active than you, at that.

"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants

by Chase Irwin on Jul 11, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it doesn't

but i believe the post count rolled over just not join date

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 11, 2008 2:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I click on my name

I see this:

Lone Star Ball
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Since Aug 16, 2007

0 FanPosts
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Favorite?
View recent activity "

by brettgardner on Jul 11, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dunno

cus mine says i joined in feb. which is way way off

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 11, 2008 2:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

August 2007

And I started really posting here in November or December, I believe.

by brettgardner on Jul 11, 2008 2:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I didn't join in March for instance

"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants

by Chase Irwin on Jul 11, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scroll down to the bottom

Where the LSB logo is. Does it have an accurate date there?

by brettgardner on Jul 11, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

not that it really matters

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 11, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ooh

The take-the-ball-and-go-home approach. Nice choice.

Can we do it again with the Mega-Happy Ending?

“i imagine arguing with yourself is one way to post 3000 comments in 3-4 months but I’m not inclined to spend my time that way”

I’m curious where your math is coming from, but, even if it were correct—you’re right. I don’t scrape together every inane comment I can come up with into chunks of paragraph-eschewing drivel, as you seem to enjoy doing. I pace myself.

My argument was a general reaction to the kind of fuzzy-headed thinking you were advancing: “But…Corby…you said you LOVED Belvedere…I thought we were friends…now you’re a sellout whore asshole!!!”

It’s always worthy of a nut-banging chuckle with me when a pompous “professional man” has to tell me in the middle of his baseball blog posting how little time he has, and how precious it is, at that. Go bill your hours, my friend. Nobody here cares.

by brettgardner on Jul 11, 2008 2:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*sighs*

the math is my bad, didn’t know the switch changed start dates and rolled over comment count, never thought about it actually. I stand corrected.

no fuzzy thinking on my part, I never was one who said “corby was mean to Greggo” etc. again, your post invective-filled but inaccurate and your criticism bears no relation to anything I (as opposed to others) actually said

every person’s time is of equal value to him or her, again I amaze myself by wasting mine

by thedudeabides on Jul 11, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do promise to try not to walk over your bridge again, and thanks for calling me friend

by thedudeabides on Jul 11, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They'll advertise your piss...

if you pay them to.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 10, 2008 11:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true that, and I’m guessing most of their listeners know that

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 2:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So would I

got some piss to sell? I’m on it.

by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 11, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not to say it is not Greggo’s fault, just the common man, friend of the P1 routine is tired and nobody should be surprised at who they really are

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 11:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I can't believe...

is the money those guys make. You look up some of the homes on the CAD sites that those guys have and it’ll surprise you. It’s not like they are making Dale Hansen money, but those guys do a lot better then they let on.

I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler

by ortonius on Jul 10, 2008 12:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

that was kinda shocking to me too.

by Andrew L on Jul 10, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, its like baseball,

the stars generate a lot of revenue, and the scrubs get fired. Its worth paying a guy who can bring in as much ad revenue as they do.

Would you pay a guy $1 million if he made you $5 million?

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 10, 2008 12:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ve always had a difficult time understanding people’s aversion to relative contracts.

It’s the same way in every business—you’re only paid for what you can make.

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Ticket

I don’t think people fully realize just how big and powerful The Ticket is. They dominate one of the most sought after demographics in all of radio. Males 25-54. Their advertising rates are really high because of that but they can ask those rates because of the shows. Cumulus now, previously Susquehana, rewards the hosts handsomely for that. If they were a syndicated show the amount of money they would make would be unbelievable. Im actually a bit shocked its not higher as it is right now. I was thinking it may be 600-800K.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 10, 2008 1:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Media Sales

That’s what I’m planning on doing after getting my Masters. My dream is to work for the Ticket. Not only because of I’m a P1, but because I could sell to the M24-54 in my sleep. The sky is the limit….

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have a BA now?

You could probably work for them now, heh… they’re always going on about how desperate they are for sales guys.

by BudLight on Jul 11, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well all I can say is

Dreams do come true. I don’t anticipate that you’ll have a very hard time attaining that goal.

That’s one tough business. Remember, you’re not selling to the P1 (M24-54). You’re selling and then managing arrogant a-hole jerk-off LASIK surgeons and the like. Selling isn’t the hard part, it’s dealing with them afterwards.

If you want to sell to the M24-54, go sell life, LTC and annuities. You’ll be rich, retired and living off of renewals by the time you’re 45 (assuming you’re in the 23-24 range now).

by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 11, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Btw

The Hardline is supposedly going to address the article. I’ve heard five, but the station itself said “at some point.” This should be interesting….

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5 oclock

I wonder if the roundtables will be up and running by then. They are having Girls Night Out tonight at Dukes in Bedford. All the hosts, everyone in that conference room that day, will be there so they could do a roundtable discussion about it and everyone can get things out at the same time.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 10, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forgot about that

Should be interesting….

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 10, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4:50 and 5:10 today

Rhyner just confirmed it will be discussed today starting at 4:50.

He ended the announcement by saying “Hopefully after this we won’t have to discuss it, or him, again”

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I missed the 4:50 segment but am tuned in now.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jul 10, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there wasnt one

it started a lil after 5

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 5:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Ticket

put off a segment until a later time slot? You’re kidding. :)

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 11, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea I ended up catching it all. I used to be a hardcore P1 but not so much these days. Really sad to hear all that after growing up with the ticket.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jul 11, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well that will be worth tuning into, if only to hear them dance.

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 4:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really damned if they do and damned if they don’t, b/c kind of sucks to not have him on there to respond

by thedudeabides on Jul 10, 2008 5:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crazy stuff

Man this stuff is deep. I understand their frustration and i know someone who is just like greggo. They have chance after chance after chance and their lifestyle never changes and their habitual lying never stops. I can totally see how these guys were just tired of it. My sister, not by blood by by life, was this way and is a heroin addict and has completely killed her family, lost her little girl and continues to lie to everyone saying shes clean and then a week later, is put in prison for failing another drug test. Tough life man and they hurt the people that love the the most every day. I just pray that their heart is changed for real.

by thad728 on Jul 10, 2008 5:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They’re disputing quite a bit of what Williams claims in the article. And considering what this is all about, you really have to believe them, not him, I’d think.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any quickhits

For those of us who couldn’t hear it?

by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its still going on, they’re getting into the meat of it.

corby never commented to richie witt because he didnt want to bury greggo, etc. and he doesnt call greggo because he just doesnt know what to say.

they all agree, greggo did MUCH more harm to them and the show than he admits, and they lived with his issues day in day out and took it home with them and were always worried about his well being

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

said that in greggo fashion, it’s full of half truths

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, and when i read it this morning i felt sorry for greggo but kept wondering how much was true and how much was embellishment

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its tough to beleive

greggo after all this when you have all these others who see the whole situation in a completely different light.

by thad728 on Jul 10, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now theyre on about greggo saying they drove him out by bringing corby to the spotlight…but cmon.
how often did they ask greggo something and he was in another world and had NO clue what was going on

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 10, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too oftern

Man you heard that all the time. They would be talking mavs since the 07 08 season was a bout to kick off and he wouldnt say a word for liek 3 or 4 straight segments.

by thad728 on Jul 10, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

We used to have diaries on here with someone bringing up how spaced out he sounded and how we were sure he was on something again. That dispute seems pretty easy to sort out.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 10, 2008 5:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too bad he did go through with it

if he would have comitted suicide, then the whole thing would be over.

he was a spare – unprepared 90% of the time he was on the air

full of jackass opinions and supported with little or no research or facts

he made a career out of running down athletes he perceived as phonies and it turns out Greggo was the biggest phony of all.

he’s a compulsive liar and coke head and he wants people to feel sorry for him.

too damn bad – it’s not like this is some big humanitarian – he was bad sports talk show host – why do we give a damn what happens to him.

it certainly did not warrant a newspaper story (if you call that a newspaper).

FYI – he Richie Whitt are also friends – so the article is not without bias.

by simplesimon on Jul 11, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cue the darkness music

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 11, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah because

“Jackass opinions” should mean he should kill himself.

It doesn’t matter who it is, thinking suicide would be “good” is an opinion you should be ashamed of, not posting as a comment.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 11, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suicide

is always an option.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Jul 11, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Option, yes

But I don’t think its right for someone to say that it should have been done.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 11, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was his idea

Greggo is the one who talked about wanting to do it

then the story goes on and on about how he was abandoned by the Ticket

truthfully – I think it was a bunch of BS and he was really never considering it – of course it makes people more sympathetic to hear he was close to committing suicide and how bad his life has been since he was kicked of the Ticket.

he’s just another lying drug addict blaming everyone else for his problems and pissed off because he’s still not making $500K and doing his blow and not being accountable to anybody.

dude’s a loser – he knows it and he can’t stand it. So like Cahill said below – it’s always an option

by simplesimon on Jul 11, 2008 2:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec this

So we can keep discussing it in lieu of unrealistic trade scenarios.
Incidentally, did they put the segment up on the Ticket podcast? I was working when the segment aired :(

by BudLight on Jul 11, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see the actual audio link

But supposedly it’s at The Unticket.com

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Jul 11, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some day

They ought to make a movie titled: “The Pitchmen” modelled after “The Tin Men.” by Barry Levinson, 1987.

that’s what I think of the ticket personalities et al.

by SanDiegoKev on Jul 11, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT: OT: The Ticket

I didn’t think this needed a new thread so I figured this was a good place….

Why is Larry Brown on the radio? He was on the Ticket yesterday with John Rhadigan filling in for the Hardline. He is unintelligible most of the time which would be somewhat acceptable if he had any idea what he was talking about. I would be willing to cut him some slack if I thought that maybe he was just out of his element by having to talk about stuff other than football but he’s terrible on the Cowboys pre-game show too.

I realize that former players get radio jobs just because they are former players but he has got to be the worst one I have ever heard on a major market station.

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jul 12, 2008 7:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not sure

i couldn’t listen more than 5min.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 12, 2008 7:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

first time I actually wished for a commercial break.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Jul 12, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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