Was JD a victim of JD?
by TedFord on Aug 1, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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PrintI'm wondering if the smooth moves of Jon Daniels last summer had league GM's playing more cautious with their minor league prospects this time around. Daniels has received lots of plaudits for restocking the Ranger minor league teams with two adroit moves, those involving Gagne and Teixeira.
So as this year's trade deadline approached, were other GM's leary of emptying their own systems having seen what happened to Boston and Atlanta last year?
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I just think this wasn't the year to be trading prospects.
The only team that won trading veteran for prospects was Pitts and that’s because of the Manny mess.
No other team trading vets for prospects won.
I too wished JD made a lot of moves but if all he was being offered was fringe prospects, it’s better to pass.
I’m a huge Gaby Hernandez fan but when the trade was made. Everyone was saying he’s a 5th starter. If that’s his ceiling, do we really need him? I rather hang onto our catchers and get a better offer in the offseason.
Agreed
Last year we had to make trades. Had to. That was the only way this organization was going to be able to commit to the rebuilding they had committed to after the horrendous start last season. This year was different. We didn’t have to do anything. This club has overachieved, especially after another bad start. There are really no players who are currently here that had to be moved. We don’t have any old vets who are blocking young prospects. The closest situation to that is our catchers. But Laird isn’t an old player and with Max going down recently and Teagarden in China our supposed depth had actually disappeared if only for a few weeks. Sure we could have moved Eddie or Byrd or Cat but all of those guys play key roles with this club and again there isn’t any exciting young prospects knocking at the door being blocked by these guys. You could argue that nelson Cruz is being blocked by Byrd but with Cruz’s history of failure in the majors I don’t think you move contributing players to make room for him no matter how good hes been in the minors this year. All in all I think JD did well by holding firm on his demands and if anything it just reinforced his reputation around the league as a guy who won’t be taken to the cleaners and that hes learned from his early on struggles.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
+1
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 1, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Well with everything except saying that Catalanotto plays a key role on the team. He’s the defintion of a player who’s expendable.
he's also the defintion of a player
who can and will be traded after the deadline. He’ll clear waivers, and if not, we’d let the claiming team take him off our hands.
wait
I am glad JD didn’t make any deals. It is better to go into the winter meetings after he can evaluate this team in the fall. There are still many questions to be answered about the pitching staff.
Will Mendoza ever get results to match his “top of the rotation stuff”? Can BMac and Millwood return from injuries and remain healthy? Will CJ be able to consistently find the strike zone? What do we do with Bradley? And Laird? I am sure there are many other questions.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
I was wonderng that also
I know that he throws his fastball in the low to mid 90s occasionally, but his breaking ball sucks and his control sucks. Outside of one good start about three weeks ago, he has never shown that he can get MLB hitters out, let alone be a dependable member of a starting rotation.
I'm glad that you see
the same thing I do.
AJM and tyd were starting to make me doubt myself.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
Conner
That is what Mark Conner said on the KRLD pregame last night.
"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch
What's he supposed to say?
He’s got good character?
The Eagle has landed....
Great Post
I was thinking about this last night and completely agree that last trade deadline definitely played a part in some teams not pulling the trigger. It was quoted some where that prospects value have never been as high as it was this trade deadline. I think the other major piece of the puzzle was the buyers and sellers not matching up well. The disparity of talent on the farms also made it difficult to match up. A guy ranked as the 6th best pitching prospect in our system might be ranked 2nd or 3rd in another system and it was an apples and oranges thing. That said, I agree with RangerMad, I’m glad we stayed put for now as long as we know at the end of the season where Byrd and Cruz in the outfield and have an idea what we have with our young pitching and what we need going into next season.
Seems like it was 'out of style'
to trade vets for prospects this year. If one of the teams that traded away prospects (Brewers, Dodgers, Cubs) make it deep in the playoffs or win the WS, it will come back in style quick. My hope is JD has more luck getting some pitching prospects for Ranger surpluses in the off season.
Maybe I'm wrong about this but...
I’m pretty sure that Newberg called this back before the season started (maybe even last year). I’m almost certain I read something from him about this same subject. I agree with the idea but it seems like Beane has a trade resume that is thought highly of and yet every time he wants to make a deal a deal is made.
"sorry, I'm usually a dick by pointing these things out but 'concepted' is classic" - ab03
JD said he could have made a deal yesterday
but it wouldn’t have been a good deal.
Beane. If JD had Hudson, Mulder, Haren, Tejada, Giambi, Blanton and others to trade every year he would make trades as well.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
Sorta.
The point I was trying to make a month or two ago was that if, say, San Diego came to us peddling Randy Wolf (not that I’d have been a proponent of trading for him), there’s no way they’d have taken our Chad Reineke, who might be, what, Brian Gordon? Bill White?
They’d first have asked for the obvious names (Davis, Feliz, Andrus, Ramirez, etc.), then, once rebuffed, moved to Holland, Beltre, N.Ramirez as a PTBNL, and so on, and when we said no, maybe they say they’d settle for C.Santana plus Vallejo.
Point is, faced with a trade deadline and thinking they could smoke a better offer out of the better system that we have, SD would never have moved down the list to JMJ or Beau Jones—either of whom might be a better value than Chad Reineke.
by Jamey Newberg on Aug 1, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i posted a similiar thought in an earlier trade thread..
jd was so badasslast yr ppl are afraid to deal with him.. he basically robbed theo ep.. ppl take notice of that kinda stuff
Damn JD, i wish i could be smoaking some Danks. f bmac.
So, do you really think Theo thinks he got outsmarted by JD?
Or that Mark Shapiro now fears a deal with Daniels?
Or that Schuerholz has has given up his golf game b/c he can’t stop crying the blues about how he was hoodwinked and bambozzled?
Come on.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
+1
I believe it was much more about - as stated above - that it wasn’t in style this year. But I do think that JD’s trades last year helped change the trend. Thinking off the top of my head, I can’t think of anyone that was acquired in a deadline deal last year that made a positive contribution to a playoff team. Lohse went 3-0 for the Phillies, but with a 98 ERA+.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 1, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
They all fear
Being blamed for their assets being showcased in Liverpool.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 2, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
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