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Texas starts its three game set with Boston tonight with Scott Feldman, one of its two semi-reliable starters, on the mound. The Red Sox throw a rare category of player - a knuckleballer prospect, Charlie Zink.

Beyond CJ Wilson announcing that he would undergo season ending surgery yesterday, not much news on the major league front.

Yesterday was a pretty busy day in the organization, however. To recap:

Dominican Ezdra Abreu is an athletic outfielder with a wiry, projectable frame, but scouts have questioned his hitting ability. "He has real small hands," said one scout, "and he's got to cheat to catch up to a fastball. People were jumping up and down about him a year ago, but I think that's calmed down."

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Yay Holland got promoted!!!!

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 12, 2008 10:39 AM CDT   0 recs

He mentioned it in his post...

which makes him a hypocrite.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Aug 12, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Just one more place to include this news which has been featured now in 4 different places on this site. ANARCHY!

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 12, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ban him

can one op do that to another?

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 12, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

small hands

and smells like cabbage

by SteveP on Aug 12, 2008 10:41 AM CDT   0 recs

damn it

you beat me.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 12, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

very well.... where do I begin?

“My father was a relentlessly self-improving salon owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a french prostitute named chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize…. he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy… the kind of malaise the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical….. summers in Rangoon….. luge lessons. In the spring we’d make meat helmets. When I was insolent, I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds….. pretty standard, really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of 14 a Zoroastran named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing quite like a shorn scrotum. It’s breathtaking. I suggest you try it.”

Aikman and Bradshaw?

Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill

by SarasotaRanger on Aug 12, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A for effort

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 12, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha that's pretty funny Sota..

what’s that from?

I've never seen a pitcher with "bone spur" issues throw 96 mph. The only spurs I'm aware of are the spurs that Wash has buried in C J's ass as he rides him. I love ya C J but welcome to Wash's DOGHOUSE.
.

by LAMuscleFag on Aug 12, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Austin Powers

Dr. Evil, to be specific.

Come on, Muscley Gay Man.

That’s a classic.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh well...

...guess I haven’t seen every “classic” :)

I've never seen a pitcher with "bone spur" issues throw 96 mph. The only spurs I'm aware of are the spurs that Wash has buried in C J's ass as he rides him. I love ya C J but welcome to Wash's DOGHOUSE.
.

by LAMuscleFag on Aug 12, 2008 12:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Will be at Fenway today and Thursday

Section 32 today, standing room on Thursday… anyone else going to be there?

by cjcheng on Aug 12, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

I'll be there

Not sure about seats tho. Girlfriends brother bought them… Section 28 tomorrow.

by mc80aea on Aug 12, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well I hope this series is better than the last one.

I went to Baltimore from South Carolina only to see us lose 9-1 and 9-0. I did however get to stand about two feet away from Hamilton and get the incredible Scott Feldman’s autograph.

by psmitty on Aug 12, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i guess we have varying definitions of

“successful first steps”. I would think that sucking ass, having zero control, and being shut down early would be far from “successful”, maybe even “unsuccessful” – but I guess that’s just me.

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Aug 12, 2008 10:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Varying definitions

I think so. Returns from TJ are almost never graceful. Look at how Liriano started the season. For that first step I really think that you just hope to see the velocity there and the pain gone. It takes almost two years after surgery, even in most successful cases, for guys to have their complete game back. And remember, it’s not like this was a level that he’d mastered before surgery.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 12, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Josh Johnson

Back & dominating in 11 months.

by Baider on Aug 12, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you saying

that because Johnson did it, we should have expected that timetable for Diamond? Johnson’s return was remarkable; I think everyone agrees on that.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 12, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not at all

Just playing devil’s advocate. I think the expectation on someone returning from is well below Johnson, but above Diamond’s performance (ankle injury is a tough variable to account for).

by Baider on Aug 12, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The only way I'd disagree

is that we’re talking about a guy who had command issues and a limited arsenal (not to mention an increasingly iffy FB) to begin with, so a little edge off of that could make a guy struggle pretty badly.

Also, I guess I’m biased a little by the fact that he looked pretty solid the last time I saw him, in that rain delayed start against Midland. They weren’t generally getting good swings on the FB, and he had numerous infield hits given up. I only recall one or two particularly hard hit balls (though one was a shot from Doolittle). He was laboring, but he was way, way better than his line.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 12, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FranFran

It took Frankie Franciso 2 years to get back into the bullpen as an average MR who in no way looked like he did 2004 and only in his 3rd year, 2 months into the season, did he regain his 04 dominance and his 98 cheese. I say Diamond might be a bullpen guy down the right; the system will have passed him by as a starter in 2010 so why not start the conversion to closer or setup guy during the offseason?

by Goyogringo on Aug 12, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rotations next year

Started this in another thread…

Frisco:
Feliz
Holland
Kiker
Poveda
Reed/Diamond

Bakersfield:
Beaven
Main
Kennil
Tim Murphy
Castillo?

Clinton:
Perez
Boscan
NeRa
Bleier
Pimentel
Font?

That’s as deep as I can go. OKC seems too haphazard without knowing FA/trade acquisitions.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 12, 2008 12:06 PM CDT   0 recs

where do you think

Robbie Ross goes? Spokane?

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Aug 12, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ross

On a similar track to NeRa, but a year later. Makes sense Ross steps in at Spokane, and if it goes really great moves up to Clinton before the end of 2009…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 13, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Roark

i think he is in the High A rotation instead of Castillo, who returns to Low A.

by clark on Aug 12, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beavan

Not to pick on you cause everyone seems to be doing it… but, seriously. It’s been well over a year since he was drafted. This is reaching Blaylock/Vincente/Bourbon/Neftali Perez proportions.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2008 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you forgot Edison

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Aug 12, 2008 2:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True

Although, to be fair, he was once actually called Edison, at least by the Rangers.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2008 2:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Vincente

I like the Canadian solution to this. They tend to have a hard time with names, so their solution is to just convert names like Vicente to its English counterpart or an English sounding nickname. So he’s either Vincent or Vinny Padilla.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 12, 2008 2:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Minor league rotations

Diamond in the AAA rotation where he’ll join Harrison, Mathis, Hunter, and Ballard.

I think that Hyatt will be the fifth guy in the Frisco rotation with Reed joining Beau Jones as a pretty good lefty/righty combo in the bullpen.

Zach Phillips could be the fifth guy in the Bakersfield rotation.

I hope that Font joins Perez, Boscan, and NeRa to set up a Clinton starting rotation that will rival this year’s rotation of Feliz, Holland, Gomez, Beavan, and Castillo.

by spurdynasty on Aug 12, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

generous

By 4/1/09, via trades and internal development, I think the system will be balanced at all levels including the improvement of pitching qualtiy/depth in the upper levels. So that implies, I think, that many of the 30-ish journeyman will be out of the system and relievers miscast as starters (so that the team has any rotation at all) will return to relieving and be more productive (and be considered legit prospects for the big club in the BP).

I think the following pitchers profile a relievers in the system next year and will  start only out of necessity:  ballard, hyatt, phillips, schlact, Mathis, Murray, Swanson, Nippert , Tatusko, Nelo, Mendoza, Henry, Quintero, Nevarez

In the long term I see this group as being relievers, say post ASB: Diamond, McCarthy, Gabbard, Reed.

Just my 2 cents. The depth in the system next year will be incredible.

by Goyogringo on Aug 12, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

edit

I think the following pitchers profile as relievers in the system next year and will on start our of necessity: Hyatt, Ballard, Phillips, Schlact, Mendoza, Nevarez, Nelo, Henry, Swanson, Quintero, Murray, Mathis, Nippert, Tatusko

by Goyogringo on Aug 12, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

smoak

any chance he doesnt sign? i dont follow this stuff.

im gonna be pissed.

by kumizi on Aug 12, 2008 12:08 PM CDT   0 recs

He'll sign

I think the Rangers are just waiting until the last minute because they’ll probably have to go above slot since Smoak slid down.

By the way, here’s a cool site breaking down his swing (just found it).

http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/scouting-justin-smoak.html

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Aug 12, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also some Chris Davis stuff in there too

Check the link. Of course, now we’ve already seen him with our own two eyes, but it’s interesting that Smoak got compared to CD.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Aug 12, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BA's Jim Callis

says that most first rounders will sign, with the exception of Allen Dykstra (Grady Fuson is on a big draft losing streak…).

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2008/266659.html

Miami first baseman Alonso, Georgia shortstop Gordon Beckham (No. 8, White Sox) and South Carolina first baseman Justin Smoak (No. 11, Rangers) all appear to be angling for big league contracts, while the second tier of college bats typically has received slot money or slightly more. I believe all three will turn pro, and if they do get larger-than-precedent deals, it will set the bar higher for the future.

Also, this article talks about Holland

Holland just missed cracking our Rangers Top 30 in the 2008 Prospect Handbook, but he’ll easily make it in next year’s edition. In his first full season as a pro, he has gone 10-1, 2.60 in 22 starts between low Class A Clinton and high Class A Bakersfield. Opponents are hitting just .217 with three homers against him, and he has posted a 128-34 K-BB ratio in 125 innings.

A 25th-round pick out of Wallace State (Ala.) CC in the 2006 draft, Holland signed as a draft-and-follow the next spring. Credit area scout Rick Schroeder with a tremendous find. Holland has a better fastball than most lefthanders, as it ranges from 91-97 mph and really jumps on hitters. His changeup is a solid second pitch, and he’ll also flash a quality slider. He still has a ways to go, but Holland has a ceiling of a No. 2 starter.

Haven’t seen that here yet – sorry if it is a repost

by JBImaknee on Aug 12, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ML contract

I am not sure I like giving Smoak a ML contract. The Rangers already have Borbon on the 40 which doesn’t help out. Now they want to put another minor leaguer on it also? I would rather give him a couple thousand extra and no ML contract.

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Aug 12, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

only a number 2?

I was hoping he could become a #1….

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by hinduplaya on Aug 12, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they're giving Feliz

a lot of respect. can’t become a # 1 with him in the way…

"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 12, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not how they do it

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 13, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

definitely a joke.

"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 13, 2008 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice stuff on Holland

His emergence more than makes up for Kiker’s meh-ness this season.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kiker

I will take that sort of performance in the Cal league. And he seems to be finishing strong.

I really just hope we can leave that league at year’s end.

by clark on Aug 12, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Its good to see Kiker, Poveda, and even Castillo

coming on here to close out the season

by tyd3311 on Aug 12, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yah

I still got faith in the little guy, but you have to admit it would’ve been nice to see him break out a little this year. He’s still a good prospect, but I want more from a top 15 pick. I think we’ll see him do much better in Frisco next year.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2008 2:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

fukumori

Just brought this up because I saw that he got placed on the DL. So, who gets the blame for that one? I wouldn’t have minded so much if he was a pretty good in the Japanese league and the success just didn’t translate.

But, most of use thought his numbers were pretty meh to begin with so this must have been a scouting thing. Well, when a guy like that turns out to be bad, the blame goes on the scout more than ever. So, is this a Colburn error?

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 12, 2008 12:20 PM CDT   0 recs

actually

I can’t figure out the timeline. Did *Colborn get hired before or after Fukumori? This article suggests at the same time such that he wouldn’t have been involved in the Fukumori deal.

Also, interesting note in that article – if Fukumori spends more than 30 days on the DL, the club has a buyout for next year. Isn’t he close?

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 12, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bad signing

I agree most here thought that was pretty questionable at the time. I think they were hoping for too much with him based on his not-too-impressive numbers in Japan.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 12, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't think they gave him much.

I can’t remember the numbers, but it was pretty minimal.
What I thought was weird was giving him the 7th inning at the beginning of the year. It seemed pretty clear that wasn’t that great in Japan. Why would be that much better here.

by texnykazrus on Aug 12, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't have a problem with the money

which was about $1.6M according to Cot’s Contracts, but the role they planned to immediately plug him into. It seemed pretty clear he was no Otsuka.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 12, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Word of the Fukumori signing initially leaked on the morning of December 12th

Therefore, I believe it’s safe to say Colborn had no particular hand in that signing.

by jamcadbury on Aug 12, 2008 12:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Prediction

The Rangers will get their first sweep this year at fenway.

Feldman will have another quality start and the Rangers will knock around Zink.
Mendoza will pitch his best, around 6 IP and 3 ER. And the hitters will hit just enough to get a win off Lester
Padilla will pitch good and Dice-k will walk too many batters and the Rangers will score around 6 runs while we let in around 4.

FIRST SWEEP!

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 12, 2008 12:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Even if we do that

we’re still sadly 4 games out of WC

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by hinduplaya on Aug 12, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If that happens

my heart will freeze instantly from shock and I will die. No chance that happens. Zero.

Aikman and Bradshaw?

Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill

by SarasotaRanger on Aug 12, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

actually the chance that we sweep is 12.5%

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 12, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

CJ

surgery tommorrow

http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/foul_territory/

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Aug 12, 2008 1:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Red Sox aquire Paul Byrd

per mlbtraderumors.com

by tyd3311 on Aug 12, 2008 2:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Rotoworld has it now

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=246715&id=2121

Doesn’t sound like it cost anything.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 12, 2008 2:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So....does

this change the series pitching matchups?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Aug 12, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Byrd

was slated to pitch Thursday for the tribe…

by tyd3311 on Aug 12, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so the Sox

basically bought a draft pick.

by FirebatM3 on Aug 12, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN has it too

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3531866

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Aug 12, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where is AJM?

vacation?

Tony Romo's #1 fan!

by Longhorn on Aug 12, 2008 3:07 PM CDT   0 recs

He'll be back tomorrow

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 12, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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